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Quote from: tipto on July 12, 2016, 03:19:07 PM

Agree maybe we have to acceptt that the concept of DAO is still not feasible. I also understand the point of the DAO hacker. Using a programmed back door cannot be punished. We have also to consider that the flaw was known at least for some weeks.

I am not sure about that. If the hacker identifies himself, there could be some kind of law suit against him.

using a programed back door is absolutely punishable in most jurisdictions. in addition his actions were contrary to the benefit of the DAO as whole and should not be allowed to stand.
as far as the shorting of eth on exchanges (where the real money was made) not sure if that's regulated in so far as things like that go...so probably not punishable.

is hf happening on 15th?

Hacking back doors to get in systems is punishable but in this case it was a backdoor in a contract. So if you consider that the contract was created liked that then how one get punished to just use the contract as initially programmed. Interesting case. But if the hack is punishable than what about the punishment of a rollback which is against the system as a hole. My head is smoking..😊

just because it was a contract doesn't mean it cant be undone....either by hf or courts of law. bad contracts are nullified all the time. as far as hf....while not perfect its a failsafe ...its exactly how the system is designed. If a majority of miners support than its consensus. anyone is free to mine either by renting or purchasing hardware.

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Quote from: cohnhead on July 12, 2016, 11:46:03 AM

Quote from: cohnhead on July 12, 2016, 11:46:03 AM

Agree maybe we have to acceptt that the concept of DAO is still not feasible. I also understand the point of the DAO hacker. Using a programmed back door cannot be punished. We have also to consider that the flaw was known at least for some weeks.

I am not sure about that. If the hacker identifies himself, there could be some kind of law suit against him.

using a programed back door is absolutely punishable in most jurisdictions. in addition his actions were contrary to the benefit of the DAO as whole and should not be allowed to stand.
as far as the shorting of eth on exchanges (where the real money was made) not sure if that's regulated in so far as things like that go...so probably not punishable.

is hf happening on 15th?

Hacking back doors to get in systems is punishable but in this case it was a backdoor in a contract. So if you consider that the contract was created liked that then how one get punished to just use the contract as initially programmed. Interesting case. But if the hack is punishable than what about the punishment of a rollback which is against the system as a hole. My head is smoking..😊

....good comment....hahaha......brain freeze

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Quote from: frostminer on July 12, 2016, 02:37:26 PM

Agree maybe we have to acceptt that the concept of DAO is still not feasible. I also understand the point of the DAO hacker. Using a programmed back door cannot be punished. We have also to consider that the flaw was known at least for some weeks.

I am not sure about that. If the hacker identifies himself, there could be some kind of law suit against him.

using a programed back door is absolutely punishable in most jurisdictions. in addition his actions were contrary to the benefit of the DAO as whole and should not be allowed to stand.
as far as the shorting of eth on exchanges (where the real money was made) not sure if that's regulated in so far as things like that go...so probably not punishable.

is hf happening on 15th?

Hacking back doors to get in systems is punishable but in this case it was a backdoor in a contract. So if you consider that the contract was created liked that then how one get punished to just use the contract as initially programmed. Interesting case. But if the hack is punishable than what about the punishment of a rollback which is against the system as a hole. My head is smoking..😊

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isn't there supposed to be hard fork starting on 15th or 16th

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been a long time not there was good news about Ethereum. Where all companies, that are tweeting about it?

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Who cares anyway?

Today EXP passed ETH in mining profitability.

Oh, also SHIFT is like 0,5$ behind ETH pr 100Mh/s ..

So im guessing tomorrow ETH will be the 3rd most profitable Ethash to mine.

How will this affect ETH.. thats the Q.
Miners going away, will they stay away? Or following the money?

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Quote from: arransiv on July 12, 2016, 09:45:49 AM

Quote from: Lucky - Luciano on July 12, 2016, 09:43:57 AM

Quote from: Lucky - Luciano on July 12, 2016, 05:33:42 AM

Quote from: bbc.reporter on July 11, 2016, 03:10:22 AM

Quote from: Slydrule on July 12, 2016, 11:27:02 AM

Volume dropping on poloniex for eth.Is there any latest news causing this apart from DAO hacking incident?

Yes, I am looking for the latest news on the hacking incident also. There seems to be none. Would it be possible for the hacker to be talking and discussing terms with Vitalik?

I think the hacker will not talk too much. If he exposes himself, the law enforcement will find him and he will be in jail.

why? what is the law that he/she broke?
I don't think it's so sue him of something...

What do you know Cheesy

? Thieve hacker should be put in jail Grin

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He is not a thief. Come on they made so much money from the fake pumps till now,simply accept it.

I would accept it gladly (in jaile) Cheesy

.

Eth hype is on the decline phase. Just accept it and modify your trading stragies to include more coins and reduce space for eth.

Agree maybe we have to acceptt that the concept of DAO is still not feasible. I also understand the point of the DAO hacker. Using a programmed back door cannot be punished. We have also to consider that the flaw was known at least for some weeks.

Money is Money & software is software. End of story.It was known since the beginning.

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Who cares anyway?

Today EXP passed ETH in mining profitability.

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Quote from: Lucky - Luciano on July 12, 2016, 05:33:42 AM

Quote from: bbc.reporter on July 11, 2016, 03:10:22 AM

Volume dropping on poloniex for eth.Is there any latest news causing this apart from DAO hacking incident?

Yes, I am looking for the latest news on the hacking incident also. There seems to be none. Would it be possible for the hacker to be talking and discussing terms with Vitalik?

I think the hacker will not talk too much. If he exposes himself, the law enforcement will find him and he will be in jail.

why? what is the law that he/she broke?
I don't think it's so sue him of something...

What do you know Cheesy

? Thieve hacker should be put in jail Grin

.

He is not a thief. Come on they made so much money from the fake pumps till now,simply accept it.

If he is not a thief and he is entitled to keep the ETH he siphoned then keeping him from withdrawing his ETH must be illegal, right? Of is this the wild west and anyone can take anyone's ETH without permission because the code allows it?

This nonsense about he is entitled to keep the ETH he STOLE and he is not a thief is the bizarre logic of people with some kind of agenda against ETH or a mental illness.

If you leave the front door to your house open and invite everyone inside that does not give them the right to take what is not theirs. If the real owners of the ETH stolen say they did not give him permission to take it then their word wins - even if the technology has a logic or programming bug in it.

If he is not a thief and he is entitled to keep the ETH he took then let him go to court and sue to keep it and withdraw it. I will guarantee the minute he shows his face and admits he took teh ETH they will slap handcuffs on him.

but still stealing back is still stealing couse the devs the miners or the holders are NO JUDGE and we are not the court
its selfjustic !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
a defendent has the right of a lawyer to defend him/she
and as far as i know the line
as long as not proven guilty an defendant is inocent ? is part of the justice around this world

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options on ethereum

this site is not explicite

anybody can explain ?

https://etheropt.github.io/

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Agree maybe we have to acceptt that the concept of DAO is still not feasible. I also understand the point of the DAO hacker. Using a programmed back door cannot be punished. We have also to consider that the flaw was known at least for some weeks.

I am not sure about that. If the hacker identifies himself, there could be some kind of law suit against him.

using a programed back door is absolutely punishable in most jurisdictions. in addition his actions were contrary to the benefit of the DAO as whole and should not be allowed to stand.
as far as the shorting of eth on exchanges (where the real money was made) not sure if that's regulated in so far as things like that go...so probably not punishable.

is hf happening on 15th?

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Quote from: arransiv on July 12, 2016, 09:45:49 AM

Agree maybe we have to acceptt that the concept of DAO is still not feasible. I also understand the point of the DAO hacker. Using a programmed back door cannot be punished. We have also to consider that the flaw was known at least for some weeks.

I am not sure about that. If the hacker identifies himself, there could be some kind of law suit against him.

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Quote from: Lucky - Luciano on July 12, 2016, 09:43:57 AM

Quote from: Lucky - Luciano on July 12, 2016, 05:33:42 AM

Quote from: bbc.reporter on July 11, 2016, 03:10:22 AM

Volume dropping on poloniex for eth.Is there any latest news causing this apart from DAO hacking incident?

Yes, I am looking for the latest news on the hacking incident also. There seems to be none. Would it be possible for the hacker to be talking and discussing terms with Vitalik?

I think the hacker will not talk too much. If he exposes himself, the law enforcement will find him and he will be in jail.

why? what is the law that he/she broke?
I don't think it's so sue him of something...

What do you know Cheesy

? Thieve hacker should be put in jail Grin

.

He is not a thief. Come on they made so much money from the fake pumps till now,simply accept it.

I would accept it gladly (in jaile) Cheesy

.

Eth hype is on the decline phase. Just accept it and modify your trading stragies to include more coins and reduce space for eth.

Agree maybe we have to acceptt that the concept of DAO is still not feasible. I also understand the point of the DAO hacker. Using a programmed back door cannot be punished. We have also to consider that the flaw was known at least for some weeks.

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Quote from: Lucky - Luciano on July 12, 2016, 05:33:42 AM

Quote from: bbc.reporter on July 11, 2016, 03:10:22 AM

Quote from: Lucky - Luciano on July 12, 2016, 09:43:57 AM

Volume dropping on poloniex for eth.Is there any latest news causing this apart from DAO hacking incident?

Yes, I am looking for the latest news on the hacking incident also. There seems to be none. Would it be possible for the hacker to be talking and discussing terms with Vitalik?

I think the hacker will not talk too much. If he exposes himself, the law enforcement will find him and he will be in jail.

why? what is the law that he/she broke?
I don't think it's so sue him of something...

What do you know Cheesy

? Thieve hacker should be put in jail Grin

.

He is not a thief. Come on they made so much money from the fake pumps till now,simply accept it.

If he is not a thief and he is entitled to keep the ETH he siphoned then keeping him from withdrawing his ETH must be illegal, right? Of is this the wild west and anyone can take anyone's ETH without permission because the code allows it?

This nonsense about he is entitled to keep the ETH he STOLE and he is not a thief is the bizarre logic of people with some kind of agenda against ETH or a mental illness.

If you leave the front door to your house open and invite everyone inside that does not give them the right to take what is not theirs. If the real owners of the ETH stolen say they did not give him permission to take it then their word wins - even if the technology has a logic or programming bug in it.

If he is not a thief and he is entitled to keep the ETH he took then let him go to court and sue to keep it and withdraw it. I will guarantee the minute he shows his face and admits he took teh ETH they will slap handcuffs on him.

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Quote from: Lucky - Luciano on July 12, 2016, 05:33:42 AM

Quote from: bbc.reporter on July 11, 2016, 03:10:22 AM

Volume dropping on poloniex for eth.Is there any latest news causing this apart from DAO hacking incident?

Yes, I am looking for the latest news on the hacking incident also. There seems to be none. Would it be possible for the hacker to be talking and discussing terms with Vitalik?

I think the hacker will not talk too much. If he exposes himself, the law enforcement will find him and he will be in jail.

why? what is the law that he/she broke?
I don't think it's so sue him of something...

What do you know Cheesy

? Thieve hacker should be put in jail Grin

.

He is not a thief. Come on they made so much money from the fake pumps till now,simply accept it.

I would accept it gladly (in jaile) Cheesy

.

Eth hype is on the decline phase. Just accept it and modify your trading stragies to include more coins and reduce space for eth.

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Quote from: Lucky - Luciano on July 12, 2016, 05:33:42 AM

Quote from: bbc.reporter on July 11, 2016, 03:10:22 AM

Quote from: dumana on July 12, 2016, 08:01:24 AM

Volume dropping on poloniex for eth.Is there any latest news causing this apart from DAO hacking incident?

Yes, I am looking for the latest news on the hacking incident also. There seems to be none. Would it be possible for the hacker to be talking and discussing terms with Vitalik?

I think the hacker will not talk too much. If he exposes himself, the law enforcement will find him and he will be in jail.

why? what is the law that he/she broke?
I don't think it's so sue him of something...

What do you know Cheesy

? Thieve hacker should be put in jail Grin

.

He is not a thief. Come on they made so much money from the fake pumps till now,simply accept it.

I would accept it gladly (in jaile) Cheesy

.

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The Devcon2 site is now live!

https://blog.ethereum.org/2016/07/08/devcon2-site-now-live/

https://ethereumfoundation.org/devcon/

off the topic but worth read

A Crypto-Decentralist Manifesto

https://medium.com/@bit_novosti/a-crypto-decentralist-manifesto-6ba1fa0b9ede#.3ghaadxb0

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Quote from: Lucky - Luciano on July 12, 2016, 05:33:42 AM

Quote from: bbc.reporter on July 11, 2016, 03:10:22 AM

Volume dropping on poloniex for eth.Is there any latest news causing this apart from DAO hacking incident?

Yes, I am looking for the latest news on the hacking incident also. There seems to be none. Would it be possible for the hacker to be talking and discussing terms with Vitalik?

I think the hacker will not talk too much. If he exposes himself, the law enforcement will find him and he will be in jail.

why? what is the law that he/she broke?
I don't think it's so sue him of something...

What do you know Cheesy

? Thieve hacker should be put in jail Grin

.

He is not a thief. Come on they made so much money from the fake pumps till now,simply accept it.

He used the inside information to cause the Ethereum price to go down and make profit by shorting it. Is that legal?

you not professional in this question. This, that you say, is not a inside information at law

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So what Ivan decided with hardfork?

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Quote from: Lucky - Luciano on July 12, 2016, 05:33:42 AM

Quote from: bbc.reporter on July 11, 2016, 03:10:22 AM