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Quote from: suncoastbuddy on January 23, 2014, 03:30:00 AM

Quote from: rznag on January 23, 2014, 03:24:43 AM

If trades on coinedup were just around 3000 coins we should rollback to where the fork happened.
It`s easier to pay the 126 withdrawn coins or 3000 traded coins than having more than 100000 easy coins (0.00000024 diff) floating around.
The deposits sitting on coinedup shouldn`t be a problem. If they`re from the old chain they stay, if they`re from the new they get deleted.
Everything mined after the fork should be worthless.

3000 is just the last few deposits before coinedup finished. That was at 15.16 on 21st. Who knows how many we're deposited and sold before that

We need a list from coinedup about all trades happened in the time between fork and when they turned off their Services. Then we can decide based On this numbers.
If we can't get these numbers we have to ignore coinedup in our decision.

I think there wasn't much trade Volume in said time frame.

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Quote from: suncoastbuddy on January 23, 2014, 03:30:00 AM

Quote from: rznag on January 23, 2014, 03:24:43 AM

If trades on coinedup were just around 3000 coins we should rollback to where the fork happened.
It`s easier to pay the 126 withdrawn coins or 3000 traded coins than having more than 100000 easy coins (0.00000024 diff) floating around.
The deposits sitting on coinedup shouldn`t be a problem. If they`re from the old chain they stay, if they`re from the new they get deleted.
Everything mined after the fork should be worthless.

3000 is just the last few deposits before coinedup finished. That was at 15.16 on 21st. Who knows how many we're deposited and sold before that

Well could be ofcourse. But there was not that much trading. Besides from a few addresss with a lot of coins. I also have cheap mined coins. I thought that you could sell them but i did not do it. I admit some honest people could be victum of this bug. But i watched the trading on coinedup often. And almost never saw big ammounts of coins going by.

But yes. I understand its not a perfect solution. But going on with the chain from the moment coinedup stopped. Would mean 16 hours or so of pre mining. Deadly

stewart2012

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congratulation Mjollnir

you are best body for ETOK managment ... good luck

illodin

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I support 100% what rznag and Mjollnir just said.

Basically I'm disgusted by the few who knew something was wrong and quickly tried to pass the damage to others.

suncoastbuddy

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Quote from: rznag on January 23, 2014, 03:24:43 AM

If trades on coinedup were just around 3000 coins we should rollback to where the fork happened.
It`s easier to pay the 126 withdrawn coins or 3000 traded coins than having more than 100000 easy coins (0.00000024 diff) floating around.
The deposits sitting on coinedup shouldn`t be a problem. If they`re from the old chain they stay, if they`re from the new they get deleted.
Everything mined after the fork should be worthless.

3000 is just the last few deposits before coinedup finished. That was at 15.16 on 21st. Who knows how many we're deposited and sold before that

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Quote from: rznag on January 23, 2014, 03:24:43 AM

If trades on coinedup were just around 3000 coins we should rollback to where the fork happened.
It`s easier to pay the 126 withdrawn coins or 3000 traded coins than having more than 100000 easy coins (0.00000024 diff) floating around.
The deposits sitting on coinedup shouldn`t be a problem. If they`re from the old chain they stay, if they`re from the new they get deleted.
Everything mined after the fork should be worthless.

Yep same idea Grin

+1

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Quote from: suncoastbuddy on January 23, 2014, 03:10:19 AM

I have done a little research and the last deposits to coinedup came from 3 different addresses (which I am assuming are the ones that continued to mine)

These deposits totalled 3030 coins and the last block that was affected was block 97823 before coinedup stopped trading. So if we fork just after this block with the changes that i mentioned earlier, coinedup balances, should be fine for everyone.

I do not however have a transaction Id for the last withdrawal from coined up to check the block number on that.

Mjollnir, It prob wouldn't hurt for you to double check that I have the last block affected right if you are able to.

Hi,

I also saw a list with the 3 different addresses. So those people were going on with mining. Altough it was clear something was wrong. They must have know that.

I think its a better idea to fork before it went wrong. And to keep coinedup happy we could create a little bank and pay those 3 addresses. Lucky bastards

and there is 200+ on withdraws also need to be paid. I think we would be very polite to do so. Cant imagen coinedup wont see that. Compared to some scam coins they let in. We are trying and doing the right thing. But have thousends of cheap coins being in wallets by a few solo miners . It sure will keep e-token down for a long time. Not a good idea imho

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If trades on coinedup were just around 3000 coins we should rollback to where the fork happened.
It`s easier to pay the 126 withdrawn coins or 3000 traded coins than having more than 100000 easy coins (0.00000024 diff) floating around.
The deposits sitting on coinedup shouldn`t be a problem. If they`re from the old chain they stay, if they`re from the new they get deleted.
Everything mined after the fork should be worthless.

suncoastbuddy

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I have done a little research and the last deposits to coinedup came from 3 different addresses (which I am assuming are the ones that continued to mine)

These deposits totalled 3030 coins and the last block that was affected was block 97823 before coinedup stopped trading. So if we fork just after this block with the changes that i mentioned earlier, coinedup balances, should be fine for everyone.

I do not however have a transaction Id for the last withdrawal from coined up to check the block number on that.

Mjollnir, It prob wouldn't hurt for you to double check that I have the last block affected right if you are able to.

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Quote from: Mjollnir on January 23, 2014, 02:49:48 AM

I already got it Grin

But i was not meaning to move the discussion away from here. Just want the people who take a rol in taking over a platform to put info together. Technical etc. And have a way to look it up without going trough all the pages.

I got some basic info. It this about right?

Management: Solidchance
Dev: axio (yet to be discussed/payment etc.)
Dev support (wallet etc.) rznag

I also know that murkanovic fixed the old bug.

http://e-token.info/index.php?topic=5.0

+1

excellent team!!!

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I already got it Grin

But i was not meaning to move the discussion away from here. Just want the people who take a rol in taking over a platform to put info together. Technical etc. And have a way to look it up without going trough all the pages.

I got some basic info. It this about right?

Management: Solidchance
Dev: axio (yet to be discussed/payment etc.)
Dev support (wallet etc.) rznag

I also know that murkanovic fixed the old bug.

http://e-token.info/index.php?topic=5.0

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Quote from: Kergekoin on January 23, 2014, 02:38:49 AM

Quote from: Mjollnir on January 23, 2014, 02:36:26 AM

Quote from: Kergekoin on January 23, 2014, 02:32:09 AM

Yet another separate forum is really bad idea imho. We can easily keep discussion here or make new thread for this.

Problem is we only have 1 topic here. And 107 pages. We need to keep track on who is doing what. And what info we have that matters. Its easier to put in dedicated topics. Like team info, payments on new chain, payments on the old chain etc. So we keep it centralised. Otherwise its going to be a mess i think.

How come its easier to sign up for yet another forum and start digging through all those topics in there? I dont think so.
In this case. One flow of posts is best way to do this discussion.

When its about discussion yes.

But to make my point. Maybe you can find me the name then of the dev Solidchance talked about? I have to go trough all the pages again.

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Quote from: Mjollnir on January 23, 2014, 02:36:26 AM

Quote from: Kergekoin on January 23, 2014, 02:32:09 AM

Yet another separate forum is really bad idea imho. We can easily keep discussion here or make new thread for this.

Problem is we only have 1 topic here. And 107 pages. We need to keep track on who is doing what. And what info we have that matters. Its easier to put in dedicated topics. Like team info, payments on new chain, payments on the old chain etc. So we keep it centralised. Otherwise its going to be a mess i think.

How come its easier to sign up for yet another forum and start digging through all those topics in there? I dont think so.
In this case. One flow of posts is best way to do this discussion.

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Quote from: Kergekoin on January 23, 2014, 02:32:09 AM

Yet another separate forum is really bad idea imho. We can easily keep discussion here or make new thread for this.

Problem is we only have 1 topic here. And 107 pages. We need to keep track on who is doing what. And what info we have that matters. Its easier to put in dedicated topics. Like team info, payments on new chain, payments on the old chain etc. So we keep it centralised. Otherwise its going to be a mess i think.

edit Ofcourse all info should be shared here also.

Kergekoin

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Yet another separate forum is really bad idea imho. We can easily keep discussion here or make new thread for this.

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Quote from: Solidchance on January 22, 2014, 06:52:06 PM

We need an actual forum, i like emunie's layout the best, but an easy fix would just go back to the fork w the original diff level just to get it up and running, only prob is theres prob not much hash w all this bad pr

I saw you fond and already signed up at e-token.info
If you have any ideas about the setup or look and feel let me know(altough this forum maybe temporary). I just made a very quick installment yesterday. I can have a look at the theme today. To make it a little more clean.

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Quote from: suncoastbuddy on January 23, 2014, 12:47:12 AM

Quote from: Anacronix on January 23, 2014, 12:22:29 AM

Quote from: suncoastbuddy on January 22, 2014, 08:54:12 PM

what if we do this... and no it isn't the best solution because not everyone is going to be happy (including myself) but an option no the less.

Fork etoken at the block that coinedup stopped trading

In this fork do the following-
- destroy the 100000 etok that the dev still apparently holds
- introduce gravity well difficulty
- get rid of the 2500 and 250 block rewards (I believe these blocks could cause a fork in the future) and smooth out the block rewards for the remainder of the coin mining term but include another 100000 so that the total coins is the same in the end (900,000)

I think if this is done, everyone will be happy because they keep their etokens, coinedup will be happy because they loose nothing, the pools should be happy because I think they had all closed by this point.

the only down side I see to this is the people that kept mining after the issue started will be rewarded for their greed but hopefully they have already sold most of them and therefore the gain will be shared with the people that purchased them (unfortunately I didn't buy any Cry

)

is there anything I am missing?

By keeping all the "easy" coins we would reward the greedy people that kept mining at bugged diff and those that bought very cheap. Them , being greedy , will most likely dump and f*ck the price. As for the bonus blocks, they are indeed a bad idea for a rare coin.

I agree with you about not wanting to reward the greedy easy miners but how else do u do it so that coined up is happy, pools are happy and all original supporters are happy and don't lose their etokens?

I don't see any other option at the moment....

Well it will be difficult indead. But like i tought yesterday we should need to get some info from coinedup

I have some PM contact with Solidchance. And seems he had the same tought. He got a list of coinedup with the transactions.
Its about 3000etoken in deposits

126 coins where withdrawn.

We can not save everyone. We also have to make clear the "new" etoken is a different beast. Without the bank and with a little group in control. Instead of a single dev with a bank.

It will take time but it still can grow. Some people are impressed with how much motivation there is to save this thing. That must count for something. And we dont have much choise. Besided giving up. I dont like giving up Grin

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Quote from: Anacronix on January 23, 2014, 12:22:29 AM

Quote from: suncoastbuddy on January 22, 2014, 08:54:12 PM

what if we do this... and no it isn't the best solution because not everyone is going to be happy (including myself) but an option no the less.

Fork etoken at the block that coinedup stopped trading

In this fork do the following-
- destroy the 100000 etok that the dev still apparently holds
- introduce gravity well difficulty
- get rid of the 2500 and 250 block rewards (I believe these blocks could cause a fork in the future) and smooth out the block rewards for the remainder of the coin mining term but include another 100000 so that the total coins is the same in the end (900,000)

I think if this is done, everyone will be happy because they keep their etokens, coinedup will be happy because they loose nothing, the pools should be happy because I think they had all closed by this point.

the only down side I see to this is the people that kept mining after the issue started will be rewarded for their greed but hopefully they have already sold most of them and therefore the gain will be shared with the people that purchased them (unfortunately I didn't buy any Cry

)

is there anything I am missing?

By keeping all the "easy" coins we would reward the greedy people that kept mining at bugged diff and those that bought very cheap. Them , being greedy , will most likely dump and f*ck the price. As for the bonus blocks, they are indeed a bad idea for a rare coin.

I agree with you about not wanting to reward the greedy easy miners but how else do u do it so that coined up is happy, pools are happy and all original supporters are happy and don't lose their etokens?

I don't see any other option at the moment....

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Quote from: suncoastbuddy on January 22, 2014, 08:54:12 PM

what if we do this... and no it isn't the best solution because not everyone is going to be happy (including myself) but an option no the less.

Fork etoken at the block that coinedup stopped trading

In this fork do the following-
- destroy the 100000 etok that the dev still apparently holds
- introduce gravity well difficulty
- get rid of the 2500 and 250 block rewards (I believe these blocks could cause a fork in the future) and smooth out the block rewards for the remainder of the coin mining term but include another 100000 so that the total coins is the same in the end (900,000)

I think if this is done, everyone will be happy because they keep their etokens, coinedup will be happy because they loose nothing, the pools should be happy because I think they had all closed by this point.

the only down side I see to this is the people that kept mining after the issue started will be rewarded for their greed but hopefully they have already sold most of them and therefore the gain will be shared with the people that purchased them (unfortunately I didn't buy any Cry

)

is there anything I am missing?

By keeping all the "easy" coins we would reward the greedy people that kept mining at bugged diff and those that bought very cheap. Them , being greedy , will most likely dump and f*ck the price. As for the bonus blocks, they are indeed a bad idea for a rare coin.

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Quote from: suncoastbuddy on January 22, 2014, 08:54:12 PM

what if we do this... and no it isn't the best solution because not everyone is going to be happy (including myself) but an option no the less.

Fork etoken at the block that coinedup stopped trading

In this fork do the following-
- destroy the 100000 etok that the dev still apparently holds
- introduce gravity well difficulty
- get rid of the 2500 and 250 block rewards (I believe these blocks could cause a fork in the future) and smooth out the block rewards for the remainder of the coin mining term but include another 100000 so that the total coins is the same in the end (900,000)

I think if this is done, everyone will be happy because they keep their etokens, coinedup will be happy because they loose nothing, the pools should be happy because I think they had all closed by this point.

the only down side I see to this is the people that kept mining after the issue started will be rewarded for their greed but hopefully they have already sold most of them and therefore the gain will be shared with the people that purchased them (unfortunately I didn't buy any Cry

)

is there anything I am missing?

So far no one is disagreeing with this......

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