I'm shocked.
Topic: [ANN] Expanse (EXP) - 1st Stable fork of Ethereum (New Algo + PirlGuard) - page 247. (Read 961462 times)
February 13, 2016, 06:54:38 AM
@ scambust
I'm shocked.
I'm shocked.
February 13, 2016, 06:41:41 AM
My first statement on Twitter: Already the wrong crowd of buyers/supporters $EXP http://pastebin.com/5q5eHTKJ (Last year's AMA)
I replied to Julian: Let's be honest, you and I know most people in Jumbucks Slack despise "bagholding" altcoins. They only care about BTC or profit @jyap
Nathan Bowers @outragedhuman: are you saying you like bagholding and hate profits? I'm confused.
ME: You're using a strawman argument. I'm a trader and I know when to buy and hold or trade short-term. I make profit from both strategies.
Nathan Bowers @outragedhuman: @CryptoGambleh @scambust completely agree. I'm not sure if he's suggesting we should take a loss or baghold happily. And why ama hate?
ME: Now, he's not sure, LOLZ. I do not hate the AMA per se. I'll explain in a bit.
Julian Yap @jyap Coinmarkets died in 2014. Jumbucks Slack isn't even the same people since most have left the alt scene.
ME: I've been lurking everywhere: Slack groups, Telegram groups, Reddit groups, IRC groups and here. The conversations inside Jumbucks mostly just talk about trading. I believe the quality and topics of conversation hasn't change at all. It may be different people, but same shit.
Why I think the Expanse Dev Team was shilling to the wrong crowd
The ultimate goal of every altcoin is to be used and adopted by the masses. The first sets of people they should be promoting Expanse is to the mining community and then to the developer community. The second set of people are the long-term investors or VCs that are willing to weather the volatility of a traded altcoin. The rest of crypto can be informed through press releases, blog posts and forums.
The dev team got the mining community hooked, good job but then they made mediocre efforts to reach out to developers. And I don't see any attempts at acquiring big investors.
And then I read the AMA they did it with a community of traders (Jumbucks Slack). This is an AMA to a group of people who most will definitely buy the coin before the hype and then dump afterwards - which is not at all wrong. They are traders after all. Let me tell you, not all communities are traders. Supernet Slack, Storj Slack, Alexandria Slack, etc. - They mostly talk about coding.
It's like BTC Core devs or major BTC mining pool operators announcing their plans on Whaleclub (BTC traders) which is fucking crazy. Coin devs talking to coin traders feels weird.
Let me remind you the devs are talking to "traders". The conversation translates in my head -> We don't know what we're doing, but we can always copy and paste Ethereum code. We can pretend we are coding and promise everything, in the meantime, we'll turn on our volumizer in sync with pump groups one day.
BOOM! And the volumizer switches off on the clock. LOLZ.
To Julian: it was never an attack to your "community" of traders. I don't know why you got riled up.
To neck-beards everywhere and the feeble-minded: Lay off the drugs, will ya? What a waste of time typing this shit up!
I replied to Julian: Let's be honest, you and I know most people in Jumbucks Slack despise "bagholding" altcoins. They only care about BTC or profit @jyap
Nathan Bowers @outragedhuman: are you saying you like bagholding and hate profits? I'm confused.
ME: You're using a strawman argument. I'm a trader and I know when to buy and hold or trade short-term. I make profit from both strategies.
Nathan Bowers @outragedhuman: @CryptoGambleh @scambust completely agree. I'm not sure if he's suggesting we should take a loss or baghold happily. And why ama hate?
ME: Now, he's not sure, LOLZ. I do not hate the AMA per se. I'll explain in a bit.
Julian Yap @jyap Coinmarkets died in 2014. Jumbucks Slack isn't even the same people since most have left the alt scene.
ME: I've been lurking everywhere: Slack groups, Telegram groups, Reddit groups, IRC groups and here. The conversations inside Jumbucks mostly just talk about trading. I believe the quality and topics of conversation hasn't change at all. It may be different people, but same shit.
Why I think the Expanse Dev Team was shilling to the wrong crowd
The ultimate goal of every altcoin is to be used and adopted by the masses. The first sets of people they should be promoting Expanse is to the mining community and then to the developer community. The second set of people are the long-term investors or VCs that are willing to weather the volatility of a traded altcoin. The rest of crypto can be informed through press releases, blog posts and forums.
The dev team got the mining community hooked, good job but then they made mediocre efforts to reach out to developers. And I don't see any attempts at acquiring big investors.
And then I read the AMA they did it with a community of traders (Jumbucks Slack). This is an AMA to a group of people who most will definitely buy the coin before the hype and then dump afterwards - which is not at all wrong. They are traders after all. Let me tell you, not all communities are traders. Supernet Slack, Storj Slack, Alexandria Slack, etc. - They mostly talk about coding.
It's like BTC Core devs or major BTC mining pool operators announcing their plans on Whaleclub (BTC traders) which is fucking crazy. Coin devs talking to coin traders feels weird.
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10:45 <+cryptoclub> The other ETH clones have anon devs, so we have an edge over them IMHO.
10:45 <+defaced> how is my pw wrong -,-
10:45 <+aaltc> lmao
10:45 <+defaced> im copying it directly from the pdf
10:45 <+aaltc> rip @defaced
10:46 <+keesmomma> Are you worried about volume?
10:46 <+defaced> id like things to grow organically
10:46 <+defaced> volume will come
10:46 <+cryptoclub> I am not worried about Volume as we are POW now and will always get it. Buy support is always my main concern.
10:46 <+cryptoking> After shit like $URO @cryptoclub do you really think anon vs. real identity gives extra confidence to a project?
10:47 <+collincrypto> it doesn't hurt
10:47 <+cryptoclub> Yes, it doesn't hurt.
10:47 <+cryptoclub> We have reps and are not going to just vanish one day.
10:47 <+julian> maybe the team needs to put buy support in the early days to show confidence in the project
10:47 <+cryptoclub> And we are not making any promises like URO
10:48 <+cryptoking> so - you're just identified, but you're not promising anything.
10:48 <+cryptoking> >_>
10:48 <+defaced> I always have buy support hanging over the market
10:48 <+cryptoclub> Cryptoking, not promising anything we can't deliver.
10:49 <+sicarious> "over?" 0_o
10:49 <+cryptoking> @sicarious: yes the ominous buy sell support
10:49 <+cryptoking> you know.
10:49 <+sicarious> lol
10:49 <+defaced> when its low i send btc and buy
10:50 <+aaltc> "where does the bitcoin go?"
10:50 <+sicarious> what do you consider "low?"
10:50 <+cryptoking> ^
10:50 <+danconway> As stated previously, we have quite a lot of plans and things in development, but we won't rush to announcing anything until its ready to go, unless its something being proposed and discussed on the DAO
10:50 <+cryptoking> looks like rekt after rekt to me.
10:50 <+defaced> well at 5k sat i can buy every expanse out
10:50 <+defaced> thats low to me
10:50 <+cryptoking> @defaced: do it.
10:50 <+danconway> if a project is making grandeous world changing claims, that's a likely yellow or red flag
10:51 <+defaced> @cryptoking: my forcing the price anywhere days are over.
10:51 <+cryptoking> @defaced: so where would you advise people to "invest" in this project.
10:51 <+julian> a question for the team. is volume evil? because i think “organic volume” doesn’t really exist.
10:51 <+aaltc> I think that’s valid.
10:51 <+defaced> whereever they feel comfortable.
10:51 <+eleven> solid question jyap
10:52 <+defaced> volume isnt evil, volume is good, volume and distribution are the goal.
10:52 <+cryptoclub> @julian volume is very important, not evil at all. Worrying about volume for me is worrying about losing a slot, and that won't happen.
10:52 <+eleven> "Worrying about volume for me is worrying about losing a slot, and that won't happen. "
10:52 <+aaltc> losing a slot?
10:52 <+danconway> Volume is good, fake volume isn't (although can be for a project to keep people interested, seeing a high volume on an exchange)
10:52 <+eleven> does this imply you will fake it to make it
10:52 <+aaltc> wat
10:52 <+cryptoclub> Being delisted.
10:53 <+aaltc> Ah
10:53 <+julian> but if EXP were to get say 60 BTC of volume, that’s obviously not organic, right?
10:53 <+sicarious> are you promoting faking volume?
10:53 <+sicarious> 0_o
10:53 <+cryptoclub> Eleven, no POW has miners that will sell regardless.
10:53 <+cryptoking> 0_o
10:53 <+sicarious> @bittrex-bill:
10:53 <+danconway> No, the opposite
10:53 <+defaced> @julian not if im all 60 btc
10:53 <+defaced> but if its 60 btc because people here like our idea, that would be organic.
10:53 <+danconway> We are saying we have no interest in faking volume, nor a need to when the project has legitimate growth merits
10:53 <+eleven> I see, What is the daily dump amount from the miners, enough to keep you listed?
10:45 <+defaced> how is my pw wrong -,-
10:45 <+aaltc> lmao
10:45 <+defaced> im copying it directly from the pdf
10:45 <+aaltc> rip @defaced
10:46 <+keesmomma> Are you worried about volume?
10:46 <+defaced> id like things to grow organically
10:46 <+defaced> volume will come
10:46 <+cryptoclub> I am not worried about Volume as we are POW now and will always get it. Buy support is always my main concern.
10:46 <+cryptoking> After shit like $URO @cryptoclub do you really think anon vs. real identity gives extra confidence to a project?
10:47 <+collincrypto> it doesn't hurt
10:47 <+cryptoclub> Yes, it doesn't hurt.
10:47 <+cryptoclub> We have reps and are not going to just vanish one day.
10:47 <+julian> maybe the team needs to put buy support in the early days to show confidence in the project
10:47 <+cryptoclub> And we are not making any promises like URO
10:48 <+cryptoking> so - you're just identified, but you're not promising anything.
10:48 <+cryptoking> >_>
10:48 <+defaced> I always have buy support hanging over the market
10:48 <+cryptoclub> Cryptoking, not promising anything we can't deliver.
10:49 <+sicarious> "over?" 0_o
10:49 <+cryptoking> @sicarious: yes the ominous buy sell support
10:49 <+cryptoking> you know.
10:49 <+sicarious> lol
10:49 <+defaced> when its low i send btc and buy
10:50 <+aaltc> "where does the bitcoin go?"
10:50 <+sicarious> what do you consider "low?"
10:50 <+cryptoking> ^
10:50 <+danconway> As stated previously, we have quite a lot of plans and things in development, but we won't rush to announcing anything until its ready to go, unless its something being proposed and discussed on the DAO
10:50 <+cryptoking> looks like rekt after rekt to me.
10:50 <+defaced> well at 5k sat i can buy every expanse out
10:50 <+defaced> thats low to me
10:50 <+cryptoking> @defaced: do it.
10:50 <+danconway> if a project is making grandeous world changing claims, that's a likely yellow or red flag
10:51 <+defaced> @cryptoking: my forcing the price anywhere days are over.
10:51 <+cryptoking> @defaced: so where would you advise people to "invest" in this project.
10:51 <+julian> a question for the team. is volume evil? because i think “organic volume” doesn’t really exist.
10:51 <+aaltc> I think that’s valid.
10:51 <+defaced> whereever they feel comfortable.
10:51 <+eleven> solid question jyap
10:52 <+defaced> volume isnt evil, volume is good, volume and distribution are the goal.
10:52 <+cryptoclub> @julian volume is very important, not evil at all. Worrying about volume for me is worrying about losing a slot, and that won't happen.
10:52 <+eleven> "Worrying about volume for me is worrying about losing a slot, and that won't happen. "
10:52 <+aaltc> losing a slot?
10:52 <+danconway> Volume is good, fake volume isn't (although can be for a project to keep people interested, seeing a high volume on an exchange)
10:52 <+eleven> does this imply you will fake it to make it
10:52 <+aaltc> wat
10:52 <+cryptoclub> Being delisted.
10:53 <+aaltc> Ah
10:53 <+julian> but if EXP were to get say 60 BTC of volume, that’s obviously not organic, right?
10:53 <+sicarious> are you promoting faking volume?
10:53 <+sicarious> 0_o
10:53 <+cryptoclub> Eleven, no POW has miners that will sell regardless.
10:53 <+cryptoking> 0_o
10:53 <+sicarious> @bittrex-bill:
10:53 <+danconway> No, the opposite
10:53 <+defaced> @julian not if im all 60 btc
10:53 <+defaced> but if its 60 btc because people here like our idea, that would be organic.
10:53 <+danconway> We are saying we have no interest in faking volume, nor a need to when the project has legitimate growth merits
10:53 <+eleven> I see, What is the daily dump amount from the miners, enough to keep you listed?
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10:56 <+aaltc> Answer pls >>Also have any of your developers actually done the work of converting PoW to PoS before?
10:56 <+defaced> @danconway: same
10:56 <+julian> are you afraid of other ETH clones coming along?
10:56 <+defaced> @aaltc for bitcoin variants i have
10:56 <+danconway> Not at all, we have faith in our own abilities and plans, if a team can come along to bring about big innovations on Ethereum based platforms, it will benefit us as well
10:57 <+cryptoclub> I think we compare well to the others, and I know some of their promises are not likely to happen. As for future competitors, that is an unknown.
10:57 <+defaced> i understand how pos well,. but adding it to exp, is a completely new beast
10:57 <+defaced> how pos works*
10:57 <+aaltc> @defaced: cool. Yeah; my understanding is that adding PoS is no small feat
10:56 <+defaced> @danconway: same
10:56 <+julian> are you afraid of other ETH clones coming along?
10:56 <+defaced> @aaltc for bitcoin variants i have
10:56 <+danconway> Not at all, we have faith in our own abilities and plans, if a team can come along to bring about big innovations on Ethereum based platforms, it will benefit us as well
10:57 <+cryptoclub> I think we compare well to the others, and I know some of their promises are not likely to happen. As for future competitors, that is an unknown.
10:57 <+defaced> i understand how pos well,. but adding it to exp, is a completely new beast
10:57 <+defaced> how pos works*
10:57 <+aaltc> @defaced: cool. Yeah; my understanding is that adding PoS is no small feat
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11:05 <+aaltc> What’s the timeline for that update are you guys thinking?
11:06 <+cryptoclub> Eventually it will be POS, but I believe Ethereum will update their code soon, and we can do the same based on that. Not sure of an exact timeline for it.
11:06 < slackbot> Soon™
11:06 <+aaltc> lol
11:06 <+cryptoclub> Eventually it will be POS, but I believe Ethereum will update their code soon, and we can do the same based on that. Not sure of an exact timeline for it.
11:06 < slackbot> Soon™
11:06 <+aaltc> lol
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11:09 <+cryptoking> Sounds like you're pretty dependent on the Ethereum dev team. Would you guys be "screwed" if the Eth team up and ran?
11:10 <+defaced> no, because then there would be an incentive to pick up and work on exp
11:10 <+defaced> our DAO
11:10 <+defaced> no, because then there would be an incentive to pick up and work on exp
11:10 <+defaced> our DAO
Let me remind you the devs are talking to "traders". The conversation translates in my head -> We don't know what we're doing, but we can always copy and paste Ethereum code. We can pretend we are coding and promise everything, in the meantime, we'll turn on our volumizer in sync with pump groups one day.
BOOM! And the volumizer switches off on the clock. LOLZ.
To Julian: it was never an attack to your "community" of traders. I don't know why you got riled up.
To neck-beards everywhere and the feeble-minded: Lay off the drugs, will ya? What a waste of time typing this shit up!
February 13, 2016, 05:56:04 AM
is EXP a small brother of ETH, or what?
how many EXP coins will be produced in 10 years (approximately?)
how many EXP coins will be produced in 10 years (approximately?)
February 13, 2016, 04:47:56 AM
Obviously do not buy a coin that went up 10x or more within the last 24 hours. Some people just don't know these things... it's sad.
February 13, 2016, 04:40:01 AM
Support is not? There is a problem? Scary to buy
If the price is below 0.001 is sad.
If the price is below 0.001 is sad.
February 13, 2016, 04:31:03 AM
What I am 100% certain of, the team was shocked by it all, happy, but shocked. My best estimate was that it was just a perfect storm of some large investors, interest, and small investors all hitting at once.
So the team does not know the pump is coming? How many Expanse coins does the development own? Have they sold any?
February 13, 2016, 04:23:59 AM
seems pumps have been going and eventually fell at a low price now 
cheers
cheers
February 13, 2016, 04:18:27 AM
As always when you got famous.
The point is HOW EXPANSE may deal with new "grupies".
Will you drop back and attention will be lost or it reinforce own brand.
The ball’s in your court! Good luck, Dev_team.
The point is HOW EXPANSE may deal with new "grupies".
Will you drop back and attention will be lost or it reinforce own brand.
The ball’s in your court! Good luck, Dev_team.
We want this very much to be an easier version of Ethereum, and for the people, building something together. We will certainly give everyone as much attention as we can. Currently we pretty much are working 7 days a week, or at least interacting with the community that often. With rare exceptions. Groupies are welcome!
February 13, 2016, 02:30:40 AM
As always when you got famous.
The point is HOW EXPANSE may deal with new "grupies".
Will you drop back and attention will be lost or it reinforce own brand.
The ball’s in your court! Good luck, Dev_team.
The point is HOW EXPANSE may deal with new "grupies".
Will you drop back and attention will be lost or it reinforce own brand.
The ball’s in your court! Good luck, Dev_team.
February 13, 2016, 12:37:54 AM
What is up with the crazy price manipulation? When 24 hr volume is several times the size of the marketcap, well... that just isn't natural.
Lots of theories on that. I can share what I know.
Several traders have said they really love Expanse and might be big players, they could have been involved. (they were tweeting, so certainly they were trading) It is entirely possible some interest or traders out of China were behind it.(Little things like making the mining count a lucky number for China, 8, could influence them... who knows?)
ETH whales, maybe. We do have some information coming out soon, and maybe some people got excited, but certainly it was big money.
What I am 100% certain of, the team was shocked by it all, happy, but shocked. My best estimate was that it was just a perfect storm of some large investors, interest, and small investors all hitting at once.
February 13, 2016, 12:17:07 AM
happy to have found this coin! always good to see progress.
Are you nuts? This is not just a shitty, but a scam coin. Most of the alt coins, are no more than a waste of time and money... But this is the worst of them all. At the lvl of Umbrellas Coin and garbage of the kind.
This will all be updated along with the Homestead. The project is in process and I am pushing the coders to get updates as soon as possible. Some of it is ready and will be included with the Homestead update. Best regards.
February 13, 2016, 12:03:12 AM
it looks like Expanse was only pump, why is there not more of real interest. It is strange, its like if people wouldnt be interested in litecoin back then.
There is plenty of real interest. Buy support has massively increased, volume has massively increased. More people are mining. More people are joining our Slack. Updates and news on the way, and for anyone paying attention, Expanse is popular and successful for such a small team, even in the early stages. Stick around and see where we are in a few months, or a year. Should be fun.
February 12, 2016, 11:30:56 PM
it looks like Expanse was only pump, why is there not more of real interest. It is strange, its like if people wouldnt be interested in litecoin back then.
February 12, 2016, 10:52:56 PM
happy to have found this coin! always good to see progress.
Are you nuts? This is not just a shitty, but a scam coin. Most of the alt coins, are no more than a waste of time and money... But this is the worst of them all. At the lvl of Umbrellas Coin and garbage of the kind.
February 12, 2016, 10:46:50 PM
happy to have found this coin! always good to see progress.
Are you nuts? This is not just a shitty, but a scam coin. Most of the alt coins, are no more than a waste of time and money... But this is the worst of them all. At the lvl of Umbrellas Coin and garbage of the kind.
Any explanation why ?
February 12, 2016, 10:44:33 PM
happy to have found this coin! always good to see progress.
Are you nuts? This is not just a shitty, but a scam coin. Most of the alt coins, are no more than a waste of time and money... But this is the worst of them all. At the lvl of Umbrellas Coin and garbage of the kind.
February 12, 2016, 09:45:01 PM
February 12, 2016, 05:00:37 PM
It is a very exciting time lately, and I think Expanse is a great opportunity.
Of course with increased volume and attention, some will also try to FUD the project, perhaps with legitimate concerns in their mind, perhaps because they have other interests or own something else. Just keep in mind we have been working on this for many months, and in time all concerns will be addressed, but it does take time to deliver. It is really quite simple. If you want to get in early, then you have the opportunity when you think the timing is right, if you are worried about anything at all, then just keep an eye on Expanse and see what is delivered over time.
I would also like to thank the community and supporters, and the team will be working hard on improvements and building this into something remarkable.
Of course with increased volume and attention, some will also try to FUD the project, perhaps with legitimate concerns in their mind, perhaps because they have other interests or own something else. Just keep in mind we have been working on this for many months, and in time all concerns will be addressed, but it does take time to deliver. It is really quite simple. If you want to get in early, then you have the opportunity when you think the timing is right, if you are worried about anything at all, then just keep an eye on Expanse and see what is delivered over time.
I would also like to thank the community and supporters, and the team will be working hard on improvements and building this into something remarkable.
February 12, 2016, 04:36:37 PM
happy to have found this coin! always good to see progress.
February 12, 2016, 04:06:50 PM
guys, i'm having trouble with sending exp
Exceeds block gas limit
at InvalidResponse (:-81925:-163)
at send (:-156501:-163)
at sendTransaction (:-133534:-163)
at:1:1
?
what am i doing wrong?
thx
Exceeds block gas limit
at InvalidResponse (
at send (
at sendTransaction (
at
?
what am i doing wrong?
thx
Are you sending with the default gas amount specified in the walker?
i've tried different values, its or exceeded or intrinsic gas to low
none works
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