The reason they don't have games or horses is that there's a massive difference between coin cloning, website design, and game development. Coin cloners and website devs are a dime a dozen. Trying to make a good game in this saturated market is borderline insane but in this case they just need to make ANY game and they can still hobble along for a while with their 200 loyal users.
Your such a trol! Stop fudding!! Ionomy is great cuz they publish one game per month and there for Xbox, WiiU and Google Glass too!!! 
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May 21, 2016, 03:45:10 AM
May 21, 2016, 02:30:26 AM
Korvas, rdewilde, anyone else on the inside. Has there been any more clarification on how they will work with Google play to accept payment in game besides "amazon does it?"
No. From what I remember IOS was more of a problem than Android. But no detailed description was given. Most guess that the ingame incentive will not be crypto (but for example the non-crypto token called Electrons) which can be used to boost staking on the IONs thru ionomy platform. Indirectly it means that ingame earned/bought tokens would be converted from/to ION capital thru staking. Not a single official detailled source about this yet though
May 21, 2016, 02:12:49 AM
BTW this is horribly bad practice.
For those not versed in networking
an address like
45.32.148.69:4001
45.32.148.69:4002
These are both running on the same server instance with that ip address... all that changes is the port. I.e. as long as that specific pc has enough ram to support running the wallet multiple times 1 pc hosts many masternodes. Staking wallets are usually lightweight cpu wise and ram is cheap.
SO basically for a small cost outlay for a vps they get big rewards. There is a reason that many masternode coins only allow 1 masternode per IP address. This is to prevent people doing this providing a real cost to each ip address to distribute it more.
This is another red flag for ionomy. If they wanted the coin to be not centrally possible to control with the masternode network they would prevent this.
Why would you want your coins to filter through 1 pc 20 times as transaction points? Its a flawed system in one port out the other never leaves the 1 pc.
Add that to the list suchmoon... more dodginess. Multi masternodes on 1 ip address reduces ionomy costs for controlling masternode rewards.
EDIT
Im also willing to believe that their masternode age required before it can function as a masternode to be quite low. I suspect their nodes drop off a bit and they don't know why so they use the masternode restart-all or whatever it is command quite regularly.
Psst its because you host many per ip address so that starts happening and since you just copied the code and didn't look into fixing it thats your bug... this is why the ips are changing too... they prolly have dynamic ip vps's going cause they don't need the static address for their purpose. They prolly restart the boxes wondering why the nodes are dropping.
For those not versed in networking
an address like
45.32.148.69:4001
45.32.148.69:4002
These are both running on the same server instance with that ip address... all that changes is the port. I.e. as long as that specific pc has enough ram to support running the wallet multiple times 1 pc hosts many masternodes. Staking wallets are usually lightweight cpu wise and ram is cheap.
SO basically for a small cost outlay for a vps they get big rewards. There is a reason that many masternode coins only allow 1 masternode per IP address. This is to prevent people doing this providing a real cost to each ip address to distribute it more.
This is another red flag for ionomy. If they wanted the coin to be not centrally possible to control with the masternode network they would prevent this.
Why would you want your coins to filter through 1 pc 20 times as transaction points? Its a flawed system in one port out the other never leaves the 1 pc.
Add that to the list suchmoon... more dodginess. Multi masternodes on 1 ip address reduces ionomy costs for controlling masternode rewards.
EDIT
Im also willing to believe that their masternode age required before it can function as a masternode to be quite low. I suspect their nodes drop off a bit and they don't know why so they use the masternode restart-all or whatever it is command quite regularly.
Psst its because you host many per ip address so that starts happening and since you just copied the code and didn't look into fixing it thats your bug... this is why the ips are changing too... they prolly have dynamic ip vps's going cause they don't need the static address for their purpose. They prolly restart the boxes wondering why the nodes are dropping.
Nonsense, it is POS not POW. You need coins per wallet to stake, for a masternode 20k. It does not matter if you run 2x 20k MN on two small servers or one big server.
Same for normal nodes. It is relative to the number of coins in your wallet what the reward will be. It makes no sense, and does not matter, to split this into many wallets (except if it is a security measure).
May 21, 2016, 01:46:00 AM
Thats because edgey is an urban word... like coining and looser and well you know the rest.
Im more concerned that in all their awesomeness before releasing the coin they couldn't go to all those indie game sites and gather some people to make some games pre-release and include the api etc that they supposedly have.
Would this be the smart thing to do? I mean a mobile based coin needs to have games on release to be a mobile based coin right? Else its just a coin that might oneday have a game made for it?
Its like a horse riding school with no horses. Trust us guys we hope to have horses here one day to teach people to ride... for now just sit on that log over there and pretend.
Im more concerned that in all their awesomeness before releasing the coin they couldn't go to all those indie game sites and gather some people to make some games pre-release and include the api etc that they supposedly have.
Would this be the smart thing to do? I mean a mobile based coin needs to have games on release to be a mobile based coin right? Else its just a coin that might oneday have a game made for it?
Its like a horse riding school with no horses. Trust us guys we hope to have horses here one day to teach people to ride... for now just sit on that log over there and pretend.
But luckily they do have a captive audience that stuck with them for a year of doing fuck all. If they can ride it out for the next 6 months... then covert to CPR coin or whatever was suggested earlier in the thread
The reason they don't have games or horses is that there's a massive difference between coin cloning, website design, and game development. Coin cloners and website devs are a dime a dozen. Trying to make a good game in this saturated market is borderline insane but in this case they just need to make ANY game and they can still hobble along for a while with their 200 loyal users.
May 21, 2016, 01:27:33 AM
How many investors/developers/etc have looked at the ionomy.com/games have seen the "edgey" typo in the Urban Words description and not gotten it fixed?
I mean, it's not the end of the world, and probably not all that important in the grand scheme of things (although knowing how to use a dictionary is probably important for people making a word game.)
What kind of quality control can be happening with the code (coins or games) if typos can get through (and sit for days) on the web page you are presenting to the public? How can you consider yourself an investor or part of the "community" and see this and not point it out get it fixed? What does it say about all of this if I'm the only one that noticed this when I have 0 dollars invested in this?
I mean, it's not the end of the world, and probably not all that important in the grand scheme of things (although knowing how to use a dictionary is probably important for people making a word game.)
What kind of quality control can be happening with the code (coins or games) if typos can get through (and sit for days) on the web page you are presenting to the public? How can you consider yourself an investor or part of the "community" and see this and not point it out get it fixed? What does it say about all of this if I'm the only one that noticed this when I have 0 dollars invested in this?
Thats because edgey is an urban word... like coining and looser and well you know the rest.
Im more concerned that in all their awesomeness before releasing the coin they couldn't go to all those indie game sites and gather some people to make some games pre-release and include the api etc that they supposedly have.
Would this be the smart thing to do? I mean a mobile based coin needs to have games on release to be a mobile based coin right? Else its just a coin that might oneday have a game made for it?
Its like a horse riding school with no horses. Trust us guys we hope to have horses here one day to teach people to ride... for now just sit on that log over there and pretend.
May 21, 2016, 01:07:34 AM
How many investors/developers/etc have looked at the ionomy.com/games have seen the "edgey" typo in the Urban Words description and not gotten it fixed?
I mean, it's not the end of the world, and probably not all that important in the grand scheme of things (although knowing how to use a dictionary is probably important for people making a word game.)
What kind of quality control can be happening with the code (coins or games) if typos can get through (and sit for days) on the web page you are presenting to the public? How can you consider yourself an investor or part of the "community" and see this and not point it out get it fixed? What does it say about all of this if I'm the only one that noticed this when I have 0 dollars invested in this?
I mean, it's not the end of the world, and probably not all that important in the grand scheme of things (although knowing how to use a dictionary is probably important for people making a word game.)
What kind of quality control can be happening with the code (coins or games) if typos can get through (and sit for days) on the web page you are presenting to the public? How can you consider yourself an investor or part of the "community" and see this and not point it out get it fixed? What does it say about all of this if I'm the only one that noticed this when I have 0 dollars invested in this?
May 21, 2016, 01:05:48 AM
Anybody want to give Matlack a call on his cell and get a statement about how isn't an obvious carbon copy of Ganza's paycoin scam?
ladrx, I am sure that 1 of us is Paul Revere. I am also sure it is not me but we share the same name.
If you want to give Paul Revere, ladrx or James Bussinger a call his last known number is . His address is in my signature. There is a lot more of his information on bitcointalk if you look around.And this fits everything ionomy how?
I say give them both a call. Ask questions to both. I know one of them will give actual real statements and its not adam. Adam gives soon and in the next 2 months and we never said that and we have to answer questions just because you say so.
James/Paul/ladrx was giving out phone numbers but forgets to leave his for a return call so I am just helping him out.
Paul however used his main account to post that info where yours isn't your main with 2-3 posts. Could you please maybe leave your number and main account for a return call so people can help you out as well? Just on the odd chance you are wrong or others want to assist you.
May 21, 2016, 12:24:05 AM
Anybody want to give Matlack a call on his cell and get a statement about how isn't an obvious carbon copy of Ganza's paycoin scam?
ladrx, I am sure that 1 of us is Paul Revere. I am also sure it is not me but we share the same name.
If you want to give Paul Revere, ladrx or James Bussinger a call his last known number is . His address is in my signature. There is a lot more of his information on bitcointalk if you look around.And this fits everything ionomy how?
I say give them both a call. Ask questions to both. I know one of them will give actual real statements and its not adam. Adam gives soon and in the next 2 months and we never said that and we have to answer questions just because you say so.
May 20, 2016, 10:12:21 PM
BTW this is horribly bad practice.
For those not versed in networking
an address like
45.32.148.69:4001
45.32.148.69:4002
These are both running on the same server instance with that ip address... all that changes is the port. I.e. as long as that specific pc has enough ram to support running the wallet multiple times 1 pc hosts many masternodes. Staking wallets are usually lightweight cpu wise and ram is cheap.
SO basically for a small cost outlay for a vps they get big rewards. There is a reason that many masternode coins only allow 1 masternode per IP address. This is to prevent people doing this providing a real cost to each ip address to distribute it more.
This is another red flag for ionomy. If they wanted the coin to be not centrally possible to control with the masternode network they would prevent this.
Why would you want your coins to filter through 1 pc 20 times as transaction points? Its a flawed system in one port out the other never leaves the 1 pc.
Add that to the list suchmoon... more dodginess. Multi masternodes on 1 ip address reduces ionomy costs for controlling masternode rewards.
For those not versed in networking
an address like
45.32.148.69:4001
45.32.148.69:4002
These are both running on the same server instance with that ip address... all that changes is the port. I.e. as long as that specific pc has enough ram to support running the wallet multiple times 1 pc hosts many masternodes. Staking wallets are usually lightweight cpu wise and ram is cheap.
SO basically for a small cost outlay for a vps they get big rewards. There is a reason that many masternode coins only allow 1 masternode per IP address. This is to prevent people doing this providing a real cost to each ip address to distribute it more.
This is another red flag for ionomy. If they wanted the coin to be not centrally possible to control with the masternode network they would prevent this.
Why would you want your coins to filter through 1 pc 20 times as transaction points? Its a flawed system in one port out the other never leaves the 1 pc.
Add that to the list suchmoon... more dodginess. Multi masternodes on 1 ip address reduces ionomy costs for controlling masternode rewards.
There is already a question in the FAQ about how many masternodes the team controls. Let's face it - even if they wouldn't allow multiple nodes on the same IP it would still be a relatively low cost to use multiple VPS instances. You can't avoid centralization with a 100% premined unless the team offlines most of their coins and plays with open cards... no intention of that as far as I can see.
Into the light I command thee.
Genesis
https://ionchain.com/block/a95229ce0d3980007d1f4981f551ce5065fff37229ff701aedcd8083f690b701
Genesis
https://ionchain.com/block/a95229ce0d3980007d1f4981f551ce5065fff37229ff701aedcd8083f690b701
Yep, looks like it, just that the explorer GUI doesn't show the contents, you have to use the API:
https://ionchain.com/api/getblock?hash=a95229ce0d3980007d1f4981f551ce5065fff37229ff701aedcd8083f690b701
{
"hash": "a95229ce0d3980007d1f4981f551ce5065fff37229ff701aedcd8083f690b701",
"confirmations": 4132,
"size": 210,
"height": 1,
"version": 7,
"merkleroot": "838de258165ba46cf44423af719743d872e214f7a4ff6cd978ac4280c880851c",
"mint": 10900000,
"time": 1463415065,
"nonce": 3145728768,
"bits": "1e0fffff",
"difficulty": 0.00024414,
"blocktrust": "100001",
"chaintrust": "200002",
"previousblockhash": "000001a7bb3214e3e1d2e4c256082b817a3c5dff5def37456ae16d7edaa508be",
"nextblockhash": "1a4883b01ac3fdb465769a404d529c6f9c3883e5bb55abbcf433baecb8fedfce",
"flags": "proof-of-work",
"proofhash": "00000f3205e1854626bcb925fd8d6257d3b6ea8f36737bc0cd5e17034a7e0fe9",
"entropybit": 1,
"modifier": "0000000000000000",
"modifierv2": "9982c6747ef2f5b46bf07b62b2da2bcc55634e9b21d0bcf99f5c9e840b6fa001",
"tx": [
"838de258165ba46cf44423af719743d872e214f7a4ff6cd978ac4280c880851c"
]
}
https://ionchain.com/api/getrawtransaction?txid=838de258165ba46cf44423af719743d872e214f7a4ff6cd978ac4280c880851c&decrypt=1
{
"hex": "0100000019f13957010000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000ffffffff1d510419f139570820000001000000000d2f6e6f64655374726174756d2f00000000 010020ce6659df03002321029b1f1192bc3f8b9afd4e1a6356398b0e5b3ee1fa910ec2a40e659e2 14fef70bbac00000000",
"txid": "838de258165ba46cf44423af719743d872e214f7a4ff6cd978ac4280c880851c",
"version": 1,
"time": 1463415065,
"locktime": 0,
"vin": [
{
"coinbase": "510419f139570820000001000000000d2f6e6f64655374726174756d2f",
"sequence": 0
}
],
"vout": [
{
"value": 10900000,
"n": 0,
"scriptPubKey": {
"asm": "029b1f1192bc3f8b9afd4e1a6356398b0e5b3ee1fa910ec2a40e659e214fef70bb OP_CHECKSIG",
"reqSigs": 1,
"type": "pubkey",
"addresses": [
"io9KqWqQGBWnZWwHrncstm7Ah5LNPJWfhT"
]
}
}
],
"blockhash": "a95229ce0d3980007d1f4981f551ce5065fff37229ff701aedcd8083f690b701",
"confirmations": 4139,
"blocktime": 1463415065
}
May 20, 2016, 10:05:31 PM
BTW this is horribly bad practice.
For those not versed in networking
an address like
45.32.148.69:4001
45.32.148.69:4002
These are both running on the same server instance with that ip address... all that changes is the port. I.e. as long as that specific pc has enough ram to support running the wallet multiple times 1 pc hosts many masternodes. Staking wallets are usually lightweight cpu wise and ram is cheap.
SO basically for a small cost outlay for a vps they get big rewards. There is a reason that many masternode coins only allow 1 masternode per IP address. This is to prevent people doing this providing a real cost to each ip address to distribute it more.
This is another red flag for ionomy. If they wanted the coin to be not centrally possible to control with the masternode network they would prevent this.
Why would you want your coins to filter through 1 pc 20 times as transaction points? Its a flawed system in one port out the other never leaves the 1 pc.
Add that to the list suchmoon... more dodginess. Multi masternodes on 1 ip address reduces ionomy costs for controlling masternode rewards.
EDIT
Im also willing to believe that their masternode age required before it can function as a masternode to be quite low. I suspect their nodes drop off a bit and they don't know why so they use the masternode restart-all or whatever it is command quite regularly.
Psst its because you host many per ip address so that starts happening and since you just copied the code and didn't look into fixing it thats your bug... this is why the ips are changing too... they prolly have dynamic ip vps's going cause they don't need the static address for their purpose. They prolly restart the boxes wondering why the nodes are dropping.
For those not versed in networking
an address like
45.32.148.69:4001
45.32.148.69:4002
These are both running on the same server instance with that ip address... all that changes is the port. I.e. as long as that specific pc has enough ram to support running the wallet multiple times 1 pc hosts many masternodes. Staking wallets are usually lightweight cpu wise and ram is cheap.
SO basically for a small cost outlay for a vps they get big rewards. There is a reason that many masternode coins only allow 1 masternode per IP address. This is to prevent people doing this providing a real cost to each ip address to distribute it more.
This is another red flag for ionomy. If they wanted the coin to be not centrally possible to control with the masternode network they would prevent this.
Why would you want your coins to filter through 1 pc 20 times as transaction points? Its a flawed system in one port out the other never leaves the 1 pc.
Add that to the list suchmoon... more dodginess. Multi masternodes on 1 ip address reduces ionomy costs for controlling masternode rewards.
EDIT
Im also willing to believe that their masternode age required before it can function as a masternode to be quite low. I suspect their nodes drop off a bit and they don't know why so they use the masternode restart-all or whatever it is command quite regularly.
Psst its because you host many per ip address so that starts happening and since you just copied the code and didn't look into fixing it thats your bug... this is why the ips are changing too... they prolly have dynamic ip vps's going cause they don't need the static address for their purpose. They prolly restart the boxes wondering why the nodes are dropping.
May 20, 2016, 10:01:48 PM
Slight correction for bounty wallet from rdewilde
Thanks! I think I will wait for more updates and then re-post the whole updated FAQ.
BTW did you check the balance? It's ~2.2 million, even though whitepaper states 2.5 million
This transparency thing is a major chore for these guys.
Since i haven't made a coin before can someone tell me how to find the original generated coins? I expected to use a block explorer to check block 1 i.e. the genesis block and see coins move from that but you don't see it.
Its quite easy to get the ip behind the ionomy website to match the hosting for the vps for their wallet masternodes as cloudflare doesn't mask this well enough when the domain service leaks it in other ways for the site.
Does anyone know how to find the originating generated coins? To verify their premine is as they said?
No easy way with the ionchain.com explorer unless simdude can tweak it somehow.
Technically you could either search for block 1 (but it doesn't show any TX now) or pick the top rich list address
https://ionchain.com/address/imR1kCRvFdTao2LrYoWJoFL7dMgnKm5p8S
and go backwards - but it only shows only 500 last TXs, which is not far enough.
So the only other option I can think of is start with block 1 and go block by block forward until you see coins being transferred out of the genesis address.
Not sure what the website IP address has to do with it - you're not suggesting they would keep the coins there? I think there were screenshots on slack that showed their actual node IP addresses.
Edit: actually this should work:
https://ionchain.com/ext/getlasttxs/10/10000000
Apparently this is the genesis address then:
https://ionchain.com/address/io9KqWqQGBWnZWwHrncstm7Ah5LNPJWfhT
These should be all transfers > 1 million coins:
https://ionchain.com/ext/getlasttxs/100/1000000
Into the light I command thee.
Genesis
https://ionchain.com/block/a95229ce0d3980007d1f4981f551ce5065fff37229ff701aedcd8083f690b701
May 20, 2016, 10:00:23 PM
So i was right in searching and its the shitty block explorer either meaning not to show it or not displaying enough info? You can't hide premine right it shows in block 1 and should from the word go? I suspected it should as you have to generate a block and award yourself somehow.
Unless there is something hardcoded key wise in the code with starting values. I have to go over some of the stuff i have but there is more masternodes than people think wise.
These address ranges which all resolve to the same vps hosting
104.156.253.x ==> there is 4 masternodes on this
45.32.148.x ==> there is 7 masternodes on this
I suspect these 11 are ionomy's at least as the others are scattered on hosting groups. This was from the start get go. You don't need a hosting group to run a masternode.. your own internet connection going and the wallet open is sufficient to run 1 masternode and most would do that i did it for darknet when i was messing around with masternodes to see how they worked etc. You only need a laptop to kick it off as the controller and then a wallet going 24/7 on a small brix pc that consumes less that 40w. Out of the 19 masternodes going or were at the time 11 is a pretty big chunk its at least 50% of the rewards... If you take the possibility of dev funds going to the runners of ionomy possibly running 1 or 2 of their own each it makes you think...
Unless there is something hardcoded key wise in the code with starting values. I have to go over some of the stuff i have but there is more masternodes than people think wise.
These address ranges which all resolve to the same vps hosting
104.156.253.x ==> there is 4 masternodes on this
45.32.148.x ==> there is 7 masternodes on this
I suspect these 11 are ionomy's at least as the others are scattered on hosting groups. This was from the start get go. You don't need a hosting group to run a masternode.. your own internet connection going and the wallet open is sufficient to run 1 masternode and most would do that i did it for darknet when i was messing around with masternodes to see how they worked etc. You only need a laptop to kick it off as the controller and then a wallet going 24/7 on a small brix pc that consumes less that 40w. Out of the 19 masternodes going or were at the time 11 is a pretty big chunk
its at least 50% of the rewards... If you take the possibility of dev funds going to the runners of ionomy possibly running 1 or 2 of their own each it makes you think...Yeah the block explorer is quite limited although the API links help.
Here are some pics from slack. List of masternodes:
45.32.168.193 should be ionomy nodes (may have moved to 45.32.148 or whatever it is now):
104.156.253 ==> the 104 ranges are hosted by choopa as well so likely ionomys or at least members doing the site. They'll bundle hosting all together so i suspect them own just a little more than the 3 listed. Now we should calculate the likely return on the coins they stake and see if it just meets those requirements. Didn't someone mention they will only masternode enough to stake for clients? Sounds like bullshit to me.
There was someone on their slack that mentioned their masternode gives them only 1-2 rewards per day. Means the others are getting a lot more... care to wonder what addresses those rewards go to?
May 20, 2016, 09:50:55 PM
So i was right in searching and its the shitty block explorer either meaning not to show it or not displaying enough info? You can't hide premine right it shows in block 1 and should from the word go? I suspected it should as you have to generate a block and award yourself somehow.
Unless there is something hardcoded key wise in the code with starting values. I have to go over some of the stuff i have but there is more masternodes than people think wise.
These address ranges which all resolve to the same vps hosting
104.156.253.x ==> there is 4 masternodes on this
45.32.148.x ==> there is 7 masternodes on this
I suspect these 11 are ionomy's at least as the others are scattered on hosting groups. This was from the start get go. You don't need a hosting group to run a masternode.. your own internet connection going and the wallet open is sufficient to run 1 masternode and most would do that i did it for darknet when i was messing around with masternodes to see how they worked etc. You only need a laptop to kick it off as the controller and then a wallet going 24/7 on a small brix pc that consumes less that 40w. Out of the 19 masternodes going or were at the time 11 is a pretty big chunk its at least 50% of the rewards... If you take the possibility of dev funds going to the runners of ionomy possibly running 1 or 2 of their own each it makes you think...
Unless there is something hardcoded key wise in the code with starting values. I have to go over some of the stuff i have but there is more masternodes than people think wise.
These address ranges which all resolve to the same vps hosting
104.156.253.x ==> there is 4 masternodes on this
45.32.148.x ==> there is 7 masternodes on this
I suspect these 11 are ionomy's at least as the others are scattered on hosting groups. This was from the start get go. You don't need a hosting group to run a masternode.. your own internet connection going and the wallet open is sufficient to run 1 masternode and most would do that i did it for darknet when i was messing around with masternodes to see how they worked etc. You only need a laptop to kick it off as the controller and then a wallet going 24/7 on a small brix pc that consumes less that 40w. Out of the 19 masternodes going or were at the time 11 is a pretty big chunk
its at least 50% of the rewards... If you take the possibility of dev funds going to the runners of ionomy possibly running 1 or 2 of their own each it makes you think...Yeah the block explorer is quite limited although the API links help.
Here are some pics from slack. List of masternodes:
Edited 2020-11-28 to fix a broken image
45.32.168.193 should be ionomy nodes (may have moved to 45.32.148 or whatever it is now):
Edited 2020-11-28 to fix a broken image
May 20, 2016, 09:36:42 PM
Slight correction for bounty wallet from rdewilde
Thanks! I think I will wait for more updates and then re-post the whole updated FAQ.
BTW did you check the balance? It's ~2.2 million, even though whitepaper states 2.5 million
This transparency thing is a major chore for these guys.
Since i haven't made a coin before can someone tell me how to find the original generated coins? I expected to use a block explorer to check block 1 i.e. the genesis block and see coins move from that but you don't see it.
Its quite easy to get the ip behind the ionomy website to match the hosting for the vps for their wallet masternodes as cloudflare doesn't mask this well enough when the domain service leaks it in other ways for the site.
Does anyone know how to find the originating generated coins? To verify their premine is as they said?
No easy way with the ionchain.com explorer unless simdude can tweak it somehow.
Technically you could either search for block 1 (but it doesn't show any TX now) or pick the top rich list address
https://ionchain.com/address/imR1kCRvFdTao2LrYoWJoFL7dMgnKm5p8S
and go backwards - but it only shows only 500 last TXs, which is not far enough.
So the only other option I can think of is start with block 1 and go block by block forward until you see coins being transferred out of the genesis address.
Not sure what the website IP address has to do with it - you're not suggesting they would keep the coins there? I think there were screenshots on slack that showed their actual node IP addresses.
Edit: actually this should work:
https://ionchain.com/ext/getlasttxs/10/10000000
Apparently this is the genesis address then:
https://ionchain.com/address/io9KqWqQGBWnZWwHrncstm7Ah5LNPJWfhT
These should be all transfers > 1 million coins:
https://ionchain.com/ext/getlasttxs/100/1000000
So i was right in searching and its the shitty block explorer either meaning not to show it or not displaying enough info? You can't hide premine right it shows in block 1 and should from the word go? I suspected it should as you have to generate a block and award yourself somehow.
Unless there is something hardcoded key wise in the code with starting values. I have to go over some of the stuff i have but there is more masternodes than people think wise.
These address ranges which all resolve to the same vps hosting
104.156.253.x ==> there is 4 masternodes on this
45.32.148.x ==> there is 7 masternodes on this
I suspect these 11 are ionomy's at least as the others are scattered on hosting groups. This was from the start get go. You don't need a hosting group to run a masternode.. your own internet connection going and the wallet open is sufficient to run 1 masternode and most would do that i did it for darknet when i was messing around with masternodes to see how they worked etc. You only need a laptop to kick it off as the controller and then a wallet going 24/7 on a small brix pc that consumes less that 40w. Out of the 19 masternodes going or were at the time 11 is a pretty big chunk
its at least 50% of the rewards... If you take the possibility of dev funds going to the runners of ionomy possibly running 1 or 2 of their own each it makes you think... May 20, 2016, 08:50:05 PM
Slight correction for bounty wallet from rdewilde
Thanks! I think I will wait for more updates and then re-post the whole updated FAQ.
BTW did you check the balance? It's ~2.2 million, even though whitepaper states 2.5 million
This transparency thing is a major chore for these guys.
Since i haven't made a coin before can someone tell me how to find the original generated coins? I expected to use a block explorer to check block 1 i.e. the genesis block and see coins move from that but you don't see it.
Its quite easy to get the ip behind the ionomy website to match the hosting for the vps for their wallet masternodes as cloudflare doesn't mask this well enough when the domain service leaks it in other ways for the site.
Does anyone know how to find the originating generated coins? To verify their premine is as they said?
No easy way with the ionchain.com explorer unless simdude can tweak it somehow.
Technically you could either search for block 1 (but it doesn't show any TX now) or pick the top rich list address
https://ionchain.com/address/imR1kCRvFdTao2LrYoWJoFL7dMgnKm5p8S
and go backwards - but it only shows only 500 last TXs, which is not far enough.
So the only other option I can think of is start with block 1 and go block by block forward until you see coins being transferred out of the genesis address.
Not sure what the website IP address has to do with it - you're not suggesting they would keep the coins there? I think there were screenshots on slack that showed their actual node IP addresses.
Edit: actually this should work:
https://ionchain.com/ext/getlasttxs/10/10000000
Apparently this is the genesis address then:
https://ionchain.com/address/io9KqWqQGBWnZWwHrncstm7Ah5LNPJWfhT
These should be all transfers > 1 million coins:
https://ionchain.com/ext/getlasttxs/100/1000000
May 20, 2016, 08:22:59 PM
Slight correction for bounty wallet from rdewilde
Thanks! I think I will wait for more updates and then re-post the whole updated FAQ.
BTW did you check the balance? It's ~2.2 million, even though whitepaper states 2.5 million
This transparency thing is a major chore for these guys.
Since i haven't made a coin before can someone tell me how to find the original generated coins? I expected to use a block explorer to check block 1 i.e. the genesis block and see coins move from that but you don't see it.
Its quite easy to get the ip behind the ionomy website to match the hosting for the vps for their wallet masternodes as cloudflare doesn't mask this well enough when the domain service leaks it in other ways for the site.
Does anyone know how to find the originating generated coins? To verify their premine is as they said?
May 20, 2016, 07:52:05 PM
Korvas, rdewilde, anyone else on the inside. Has there been any more clarification on how they will work with Google play to accept payment in game besides "amazon does it?"
My Guess at the process is to connect you to the ionomy.com platform. With that you can spend your ionomy.com coins on ingame items. You also will have the ability to purchase with Platform(google/ios) system. This is only a guess at what they might do. It is something i would do. If the Platform wont allow that. I know they allow GameCodes to be used. So then they could do a item store for the game a the site. Many Options i would say that does not effect the TOS. Reason why it would not effect the TOS over all is Crypto Is not currency in most of the world. Each option would need to be vetted. I guess that is what they are doing now and why we have not heard much about the TOS process.
Take Clash of Clans and the gem system. You can purchase them with real money through the respective App Store. But you can't take the gems out of the Clan ecosystem. Is it IONs intention of being able to remove said gems, in this case ION? That's is what worries me in respect to TOS. If it's a crypto, people will want access at all times.
Now maybe it is possible to transfer IONs to the Ionomy platform, but that seems too easy of a skirt of the TOS. The question is would people want to use another platform to use with their game purchased from an App Store, almost like a companion app? Curious is a research experiment such as this was conducted.
You dont generate ions in the system you generate the electrons which boosts your Stakers And hopefully do other things later down the line. the game would just take coin in if any. But again i dont know really what is going to be done i can only speculate.
Thanks for the reply. I though that ION was going to be the in game currency and that is what would give them issues. Getting electrons out would be simple as they are not blockchain based. A simple code could be generated in game to enter into your stakers. If ION is not used in game there is no issue what so ever. But then what is the point in the coin...the Ionomy platform alone would be enough to satisfy those goals. Just thinking out loud, sorry if I rambled on.
I agree. I think you will be able to use what coin you have stored in ionomy.com threw the game to exchange for ingame items. But the outbound will be electrons. It should be interesting to see how it is done. I want to know if they do implement using the platform (Andorid/IOS) payment system for ingame items. What will the money generate from that go to. I don't expect 100% of the revenue to go to what ever but i expect like 5-25% to go to purchasing ion at exchange rate or something every month or week or whatever.
If i could create a way to accept cash payment on WorldOfHash.com then i would. And would buy BTC and ION with it. Right now i take 25% of all BTC generate on the site and purchase ION with it. But i would like to take in USD via some platform and purchase BTC with it.
I suggest you get a money transactor licence then for the site/location you live in. Then I can imagine more options opening up.
Am I reading the site correctly. Its a virtual mining game that gives out ION as the reward?
May 20, 2016, 07:20:37 PM
Korvas, rdewilde, anyone else on the inside. Has there been any more clarification on how they will work with Google play to accept payment in game besides "amazon does it?"
My Guess at the process is to connect you to the ionomy.com platform. With that you can spend your ionomy.com coins on ingame items. You also will have the ability to purchase with Platform(google/ios) system. This is only a guess at what they might do. It is something i would do. If the Platform wont allow that. I know they allow GameCodes to be used. So then they could do a item store for the game a the site. Many Options i would say that does not effect the TOS. Reason why it would not effect the TOS over all is Crypto Is not currency in most of the world. Each option would need to be vetted. I guess that is what they are doing now and why we have not heard much about the TOS process.
Take Clash of Clans and the gem system. You can purchase them with real money through the respective App Store. But you can't take the gems out of the Clan ecosystem. Is it IONs intention of being able to remove said gems, in this case ION? That's is what worries me in respect to TOS. If it's a crypto, people will want access at all times.
Now maybe it is possible to transfer IONs to the Ionomy platform, but that seems too easy of a skirt of the TOS. The question is would people want to use another platform to use with their game purchased from an App Store, almost like a companion app? Curious is a research experiment such as this was conducted.
You dont generate ions in the system you generate the electrons which boosts your Stakers And hopefully do other things later down the line. the game would just take coin in if any. But again i dont know really what is going to be done i can only speculate.
Thanks for the reply. I though that ION was going to be the in game currency and that is what would give them issues. Getting electrons out would be simple as they are not blockchain based. A simple code could be generated in game to enter into your stakers. If ION is not used in game there is no issue what so ever. But then what is the point in the coin...the Ionomy platform alone would be enough to satisfy those goals. Just thinking out loud, sorry if I rambled on.
I agree. I think you will be able to use what coin you have stored in ionomy.com threw the game to exchange for ingame items. But the outbound will be electrons. It should be interesting to see how it is done. I want to know if they do implement using the platform (Andorid/IOS) payment system for ingame items. What will the money generate from that go to. I don't expect 100% of the revenue to go to what ever but i expect like 5-25% to go to purchasing ion at exchange rate or something every month or week or whatever.
If i could create a way to accept cash payment on WorldOfHash.com then i would. And would buy BTC and ION with it. Right now i take 25% of all BTC generate on the site and purchase ION with it. But i would like to take in USD via some platform and purchase BTC with it.
May 20, 2016, 07:10:39 PM
Korvas, rdewilde, anyone else on the inside. Has there been any more clarification on how they will work with Google play to accept payment in game besides "amazon does it?"
My Guess at the process is to connect you to the ionomy.com platform. With that you can spend your ionomy.com coins on ingame items. You also will have the ability to purchase with Platform(google/ios) system. This is only a guess at what they might do. It is something i would do. If the Platform wont allow that. I know they allow GameCodes to be used. So then they could do a item store for the game a the site. Many Options i would say that does not effect the TOS. Reason why it would not effect the TOS over all is Crypto Is not currency in most of the world. Each option would need to be vetted. I guess that is what they are doing now and why we have not heard much about the TOS process.
Take Clash of Clans and the gem system. You can purchase them with real money through the respective App Store. But you can't take the gems out of the Clan ecosystem. Is it IONs intention of being able to remove said gems, in this case ION? That's is what worries me in respect to TOS. If it's a crypto, people will want access at all times.
Now maybe it is possible to transfer IONs to the Ionomy platform, but that seems too easy of a skirt of the TOS. The question is would people want to use another platform to use with their game purchased from an App Store, almost like a companion app? Curious is a research experiment such as this was conducted.
You dont generate ions in the system you generate the electrons which boosts your Stakers And hopefully do other things later down the line. the game would just take coin in if any. But again i dont know really what is going to be done i can only speculate.
Thanks for the reply. I though that ION was going to be the in game currency and that is what would give them issues. Getting electrons out would be simple as they are not blockchain based. A simple code could be generated in game to enter into your stakers. If ION is not used in game there is no issue what so ever. But then what is the point in the coin...the Ionomy platform alone would be enough to satisfy those goals. Just thinking out loud, sorry if I rambled on.
May 20, 2016, 06:57:58 PM
Korvas, rdewilde, anyone else on the inside. Has there been any more clarification on how they will work with Google play to accept payment in game besides "amazon does it?"
My Guess at the process is to connect you to the ionomy.com platform. With that you can spend your ionomy.com coins on ingame items. You also will have the ability to purchase with Platform(google/ios) system. This is only a guess at what they might do. It is something i would do. If the Platform wont allow that. I know they allow GameCodes to be used. So then they could do a item store for the game a the site. Many Options i would say that does not effect the TOS. Reason why it would not effect the TOS over all is Crypto Is not currency in most of the world. Each option would need to be vetted. I guess that is what they are doing now and why we have not heard much about the TOS process.
Take Clash of Clans and the gem system. You can purchase them with real money through the respective App Store. But you can't take the gems out of the Clan ecosystem. Is it IONs intention of being able to remove said gems, in this case ION? That's is what worries me in respect to TOS. If it's a crypto, people will want access at all times.
Now maybe it is possible to transfer IONs to the Ionomy platform, but that seems too easy of a skirt of the TOS. The question is would people want to use another platform to use with their game purchased from an App Store, almost like a companion app? Curious is a research experiment such as this was conducted.
You dont generate ions in the system you generate the electrons which boosts your Stakers And hopefully do other things later down the line. the game would just take coin in if any. But again i dont know really what is going to be done i can only speculate.
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