I could participate with my opinions, with the knowledge about IoN team, my opinions about all cross connections and so on.
Yes, I will participate, even on bitcointalk I choose my discussion partners and ie. discussion that I had with you was one way, you asked never replied except if you wanted to be rude. Please correct me if I am wrong.
However, I will wait with my opinions and contribution and the reason for that is you with opening an misleading thread involving my nickname. I do not see you opening threads for other users, only me. This is an serious reson not to contribute anything because I do not see in you someone who I would like to share opinions with if the only purpose for that seems to judgement, it isnt, its still about discussion.
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May 20, 2016, 09:31:46 AM
May 20, 2016, 09:25:03 AM
How to move on? You even keep on this 60 argument, lol, it was not your money and so its not a difference if its 1 or 1Mio unless you see the same problem as I do, scammer got these money and it makes difference if $1 or $10Mio. I think we agree on this.
To keep on, how to keep on, talking to each other about IoN and getting info from slack? Seriously??
The only way would be if the team comes over to talk. Talking seems impossible as well as providing an real discussion, this forum or forum rules are not protecting any user of this forum which means already, why should they come to get only attacked? Even if they have no answer, it does not mean they lie.
We will move on as soon as ion team appears here and they do not want because you boys and girls are so nice.
Now an question to you, do you think it is more productive if 5 scream that they are scammers or if you let them explain everytihng here and people could see that they are scammers or not. How about that? Being nice is hard
, I know, they seem to be way better in that.
To keep on, how to keep on, talking to each other about IoN and getting info from slack? Seriously??
The only way would be if the team comes over to talk. Talking seems impossible as well as providing an real discussion, this forum or forum rules are not protecting any user of this forum which means already, why should they come to get only attacked? Even if they have no answer, it does not mean they lie.
We will move on as soon as ion team appears here and they do not want because you boys and girls are so nice.
Now an question to you, do you think it is more productive if 5 scream that they are scammers or if you let them explain everytihng here and people could see that they are scammers or not. How about that? Being nice is hard
, I know, they seem to be way better in that.Or you could start posting about ION for example instead of your imaginary constraints. There are no constraints, nobody is forcing the "team" to come over. They can choose to answer the questions some other way or not answer at all. That doesn't mean the discussion can't continue, quite the contrary actually.
Do you have any ION information to share with the class?
May 20, 2016, 09:12:38 AM
this is now offtopic:
Starting with pixelpowered, I thank you very much for constructive discussion. To 5 of my friends: That's it with my offtopic, I assume now we get an real discussion. I am sorry that we had to argue the way we did, I hope its past now.
Starting with pixelpowered, I thank you very much for constructive discussion. To 5 of my friends: That's it with my offtopic, I assume now we get an real discussion. I am sorry that we had to argue the way we did, I hope its past now.
May 20, 2016, 09:07:14 AM
How to move on? You even keep on this 60 argument, lol, it was not your money and so its not a difference if its 1 or 1Mio unless you see the same problem as I do, scammer got these money and it makes difference if $1 or $10Mio. I think we agree on this.
To keep on, how to keep on, talking to each other about IoN and getting info from slack? Seriously??
The only way would be if the team comes over to talk. Talking seems impossible as well as providing an real discussion, this forum or forum rules are not protecting any user of this forum which means already, why should they come to get only attacked? Even if they have no answer, it does not mean they lie.
We will move on as soon as ion team appears here and they do not want because you boys and girls are so nice.
Now an question to you, do you think it is more productive if 5 scream that they are scammers or if you let them explain everytihng here and people could see that they are scammers or not. How about that? Being nice is hard, I know, they seem to be way better in that.
To keep on, how to keep on, talking to each other about IoN and getting info from slack? Seriously??
The only way would be if the team comes over to talk. Talking seems impossible as well as providing an real discussion, this forum or forum rules are not protecting any user of this forum which means already, why should they come to get only attacked? Even if they have no answer, it does not mean they lie.
We will move on as soon as ion team appears here and they do not want because you boys and girls are so nice.
Now an question to you, do you think it is more productive if 5 scream that they are scammers or if you let them explain everytihng here and people could see that they are scammers or not. How about that? Being nice is hard
, I know, they seem to be way better in that.A very simple way to move on from the fact that Adam Matlack lost 6 figures in an obvious scam, and why the fact that Adam Matlack losing 6 figures to an obvious scam is a bad sign for the odds of success of this coin would be for you to stop bringing it up.
Who are the people that are screaming that they are scammers? Whenever you aren't here several people are asking questions about the coin, and several people answering them. try to participate instead of getting hung up on stuff no one but you has mentioned in days.
May 20, 2016, 09:04:40 AM
Here is some napkin math for the whole masternode/staker thingy.
Stakers that are currently being sold would pay 15% APY (or 17.5% if you have a certain number of atoms), can be "electrified" to 30-35% respectively. I think the XPY converted ones were supposed to pay 25% (50% if electrified) although I can't now find any solid info on that. So let's take 50% APY as the maximum that ionomy could ever need to pay on the deposits in the first year.
The whole ION network will stake more than 100% in the first year (a bit less if the chain does not breath for extended periods of time). 50% of this goes to masternodes, 50% to regular wallets, which means that the "team" does not need any masternodes at all to fulfill their obligations for depositors. They can stake at the regular rate of 11.50 ION per block and still get enough coins even in the worst case scenario (i.e. every staker is electrified, every other wallet on the network also stakes and competes with them, etc).
Stakers that are currently being sold would pay 15% APY (or 17.5% if you have a certain number of atoms), can be "electrified" to 30-35% respectively. I think the XPY converted ones were supposed to pay 25% (50% if electrified) although I can't now find any solid info on that. So let's take 50% APY as the maximum that ionomy could ever need to pay on the deposits in the first year.
The whole ION network will stake more than 100% in the first year (a bit less if the chain does not breath for extended periods of time). 50% of this goes to masternodes, 50% to regular wallets, which means that the "team" does not need any masternodes at all to fulfill their obligations for depositors. They can stake at the regular rate of 11.50 ION per block and still get enough coins even in the worst case scenario (i.e. every staker is electrified, every other wallet on the network also stakes and competes with them, etc).
May 20, 2016, 09:04:31 AM
Phildo
What is there to disagree about? They said the first 2000 blocks would be Proof of Work with no reward. Block 1296 is one of many that has a 23 coin Proof of Stake reward. Is that an honest mistake? Was the first statement a lie? It's not an opinion it's a fact. Now, an opinion would be whether or not that's a big deal, and it may not be a b6ig deal, but it's still an issue. Your only hope for success is that they learned from the mistakes of paycoin, yet here we have the actual results not matching the promises that were given out before things started, and extra coins going into the hands of unknown people before everyone else gets a chance to get/stake any. Does that not sound familiar to you? are you really not worried about any of that?
Don't know the answer to this... don't think it's a mistake though. When you say 23 coin POS where are you getting the info from. I didn't think a block explorer was available yet.
If you had to guess, how many coins in total do you think were POS generated before block 2000. If I had to hazard a guess the POS coins were for testing, possibly to fund the electron element of a staker payout or to go into a bounty pot..... but like I said this is just a guess
If it's a real concern to you then you should visit slack and ask the question,
I'm not worried by this, I've been dealing with them for about a year with no problems. If you think there is a 1%+ chance of a scam then don't invest
BTW. Those images suchmoon is posting are taken from the Ionomy platform https://ionomy.com/. You'll need to sign up then you'll get access to those screens
What is there to disagree about? They said the first 2000 blocks would be Proof of Work with no reward. Block 1296 is one of many that has a 23 coin Proof of Stake reward. Is that an honest mistake? Was the first statement a lie? It's not an opinion it's a fact. Now, an opinion would be whether or not that's a big deal, and it may not be a b6ig deal, but it's still an issue. Your only hope for success is that they learned from the mistakes of paycoin, yet here we have the actual results not matching the promises that were given out before things started, and extra coins going into the hands of unknown people before everyone else gets a chance to get/stake any. Does that not sound familiar to you? are you really not worried about any of that?
Don't know the answer to this... don't think it's a mistake though. When you say 23 coin POS where are you getting the info from. I didn't think a block explorer was available yet.
If you had to guess, how many coins in total do you think were POS generated before block 2000. If I had to hazard a guess the POS coins were for testing, possibly to fund the electron element of a staker payout or to go into a bounty pot..... but like I said this is just a guess
If it's a real concern to you then you should visit slack and ask the question,
I'm not worried by this, I've been dealing with them for about a year with no problems. If you think there is a 1%+ chance of a scam then don't invest
BTW. Those images suchmoon is posting are taken from the Ionomy platform https://ionomy.com/. You'll need to sign up then you'll get access to those screens
I am not signing up for slack. I have barely even looked into this thing and seen enough red flags to stay away. They started this thread here, they're going to have to deal with the repercussions. The people inside the slack are either in on it or too brainwashed to see the light, just like the people in hasthalk and paycointalk and lendcointalk and all the other blablatalks where various stages of this saga have taken place. All I can do is point out the glaringly obvious problems that I can see from here, without even really trying, in hopes to keep other people out of the mess.
Here is block 1236
https://ionchain.com/block/73ce123f7b1fa011a1b4fb320fc7d10bad89dd0777e6a3efe5fe5c1b53b31311
Here is a transaction in that block that consists of nothing but a POS reward
https://ionchain.com/tx/8ba71247b921334e292050d72c1b508d5618c2c7866687361123fd00538bebfa
Now, the amount of coins generated via the POS rewards is trivial compared to the premine, but it still stands out as an issue to me. They said blocks 1-2000 would be POW. This is obviously not a true statement. There are two reasons that statement could be true. either they lied about 1-2000 being POW or there was a mistake in the code. You said you don't think it was a mistake, then it was a lie. Why lie about such a meaningless amount of coins? How many coins do they need for staking rewards? They had 2.5 million set aside at the start, plus all the coins allocated to the ICO that no one bought.
I am not signing up for slack because this is not really a major concern or me. I saw enough red flags from the original post in this thread to stop me from being invested. that isn't going to stop me from following along and asking the questions that I think would be important as we go along. If you have no problem with a coin that literally started with a lie/mistake (I would consider all the blocks pre-distribution of ICO coins the start) good for you, but I'm still going to point out the flaws that I see. Feel free to ignore them, but while you are sailing away on the glorious ship IONia keep your eye out for icebergs, because I feel like there will be a lot of them out there.
Hey Phildo
I too have been doing some digging as what you said didn't sit right, I can confirm
0 - 2000 blocks had POS & POW with no reward got this info asking around slack, this is what the team said
POW phase was to make sure they had enough time to distribute mature coins, to make sure the network could stand on it on its own via POS That was the objective nothing else, again got this asking around slack
You said -- They said blocks 1-2000 would be POW. This is obviously not a true statement.......... I searched but can't find where they said that so unless you can prove it different this is another piece of misinformation designed to discredit the team
Here is block 1236
https://ionchain.com/block/73ce123f7b1fa011a1b4fb320fc7d10bad89dd0777e6a3efe5fe5c1b53b31311
Here is a transaction in that block that consists of nothing but a POS reward
https://ionchain.com/tx/8ba71247b921334e292050d72c1b508d5618c2c7866687361123fd00538bebfa
This sync's up with what they said NO POW reward and a small POS reward 23 ion or $5.75 which is for all to see
I'm not going to go and find anything, if I was wrong about that one, I was wrong about that one, there are still a million other red flags. I, and others, remember reading that POS would start at block 2000 after the coins were distributed. Even if that is wrong, the coins were not distributed at block 2000, so there were tons o blocks with POS rewards going only to the devs/whoever received the premine.
If that is all made up, I apologize, but I still blame them for not putting all of the relevant information in one place that is easy to find.
See how simple it was to answer questions? Now we can move on to the next issues.
What are the guarantees that the masternodes that pay out the charged staker payouts will generate enough coins to do that?
If these nodes generate too few coins for all the payouts what will be done?
If they generate too many what will be done?
Is there any reason to believe they will be able to accept alternate payment on android devices besides "amazon does?"
@korvas128 I typed '2000' into search in the upper right.
Found two complete references to it, with pics for you.
chain went live about 12:30 CST best i can tell
which is 18:30 GMT i believe
at block 2000 block the wallet goes public
so it’s about 33 hours
Source :
->http://zupimages.net/up/16/20/5c4t.jpg
which is 18:30 GMT i believe
at block 2000 block the wallet goes public
so it’s about 33 hours
Source :
->http://zupimages.net/up/16/20/5c4t.jpgand...
How do you know for a fact? Its not in the whitepaper its not on the site so its not common public knowledge. Can you please state how you know these facts?
its good they are mining first 2000 blocks good free credits for them or are they going to burn them? Means up to block height 2000 all addresses are theirs thats the great thing about blockchain from this they can't hide with all moves.. we'll know every little amount. But it won't be through them being transparent it'll be the blockchain showing the dirty laundry.
its good they are mining first 2000 blocks good free credits for them or are they going to burn them? Means up to block height 2000 all addresses are theirs thats the great thing about blockchain from this they can't hide with all moves.. we'll know every little amount. But it won't be through them being transparent it'll be the blockchain showing the dirty laundry.
This was posted by huey (Matlack) on slack. Technically the first 2000 blocks should have 0 block reward hardcoded but I wouldn't get my hopes too high for that.
@Phildo - "Is there any reason to believe they will be able to accept alternate payment on android devices besides "amazon does?"
Not in my opinion based on how partnerships go with the bigger players like Apple, Microsoft, Amazon, and Google. They'll ask (more like demand) for full control of the coin before they allow them to funnel it through the app store(s). Mind you if any of those companies actually were interested in ION. All of them already use the companies own point/coin system from the user accounts to facilitate it. Second, they'll also look at the background information on Adam and crew. Leading to a big NO.
Then ION might try the game publishers to use the coin. Steam had to reluctantly accept Bitcoin, from my opinion due to the ever growing market of their items being bought outside their exchanges with Bitcoin. Blizzard has and can already build their own virtual gold. After those two big game publishers come to mind... the mid-to-smaller ones won't be taking chances with the ION team and would still most likely develop or use current coins that people trust fully. They have a slim or a more realistic chance to have the coin used in an indie or small group platform, if they get to that stage.
We also might be getting to a point though in blockchain development where even the coins/tokens generated, are already integrated into the game, and will move with the game!
What am I rambling about? Spells of Genesis -> http://www.spellsofgenesis.com/ (trad-able card game built on a blockchain that's slowly been built over the years. Also allows investors to keep specific track of their investment per set expansion.)
Edit: Adding to Minecrafts implementation of Bitcoin into itself. http://bitquest.co/2016/05/19/bitquest-2.html
Okay, so what's left that I can feasibly give constructive development on...
Well the only chance I see for ION is building a poker/gambling app for the coin to generate use and userbase.
May 20, 2016, 08:55:34 AM
How to move on? You even keep on this 60 argument, lol, it was not your money and so its not a difference if its 1 or 1Mio unless you see the same problem as I do, scammer got these money and it makes difference if $1 or $10Mio. I think we agree on this.
To keep on, how to keep on, talking to each other about IoN and getting info from slack? Seriously??
The only way would be if the team comes over to talk. Talking seems impossible as well as providing an real discussion, this forum or forum rules are not protecting any user of this forum which means already, why should they come to get only attacked? Even if they have no answer, it does not mean they lie.
We will move on as soon as ion team appears here and they do not want because you boys and girls are so nice.
Now an question to you, do you think it is more productive if 5 scream that they are scammers or if you let them explain everytihng here and people could see that they are scammers or not. How about that? Being nice is hard, I know, they seem to be way better in that.
To keep on, how to keep on, talking to each other about IoN and getting info from slack? Seriously??
The only way would be if the team comes over to talk. Talking seems impossible as well as providing an real discussion, this forum or forum rules are not protecting any user of this forum which means already, why should they come to get only attacked? Even if they have no answer, it does not mean they lie.
We will move on as soon as ion team appears here and they do not want because you boys and girls are so nice.
Now an question to you, do you think it is more productive if 5 scream that they are scammers or if you let them explain everytihng here and people could see that they are scammers or not. How about that? Being nice is hard
, I know, they seem to be way better in that. 
May 20, 2016, 08:52:32 AM
Is there any reason to believe they will be able to accept alternate payment on android devices besides "amazon does?"
Because there nice people.And because a certain someone was so skilled at brining Amazon on board.
May 20, 2016, 08:47:28 AM
Is there any reason to believe they will be able to accept alternate payment on android devices besides "amazon does?"
Because there nice people.What's wrong with nice people?
Most think that these nice people are involved in GAW. Some did not go to the toilet during Ganza time and now its their turn. Somehow they think being rude, low level, abbusive.... is way better than to be nice. All of these experts forget 1 main thing, an good deal is when both sides are happy. If I deal with someone who is rude from beginn on, there will be no business. This is probably the main reason this thread got 88 pages, but keep on contributing here and you will understand that in crypto everythiing is vice versa, good guys are bad guys and bad guys are good guys, it changes from time to time, sometimes weekly.
I hope that you know now more than before why being nice is bad
, but I am sure, there are at least 5 people who will explain it to you.Simple Definition of involved
: very complicated
: having a part in something : included in something
: actively participating in something
It's pretty clear that losing 6 figures to GAW involves actively participating in GAW. Now that we are done with stuff we haven't talked about in several days maybe we can move on to the new issues that have popped up with the coin.
May 20, 2016, 08:43:17 AM
Is there any reason to believe they will be able to accept alternate payment on android devices besides "amazon does?"
Because there nice people.What's wrong with nice people?
Most think that these nice people are involved in GAW. Some did not go to the toilet during Ganza time and now its their turn. Somehow they think being rude, low level, abbusive.... is way better than to be nice. All of these experts forget 1 main thing, an good deal is when both sides are happy. If I deal with someone who is rude from beginn on, there will be no business. This is probably the main reason this thread got 88 pages, but keep on contributing here and you will understand that in crypto everythiing is vice versa, good guys are bad guys and bad guys are good guys, it changes from time to time, sometimes weekly.
I hope that you know now more than before why being nice is bad
, but I am sure, there are at least 5 people who will explain it to you. May 20, 2016, 08:39:02 AM
Is there any reason to believe they will be able to accept alternate payment on android devices besides "amazon does?"
Because there nice people.What's wrong with nice people?
May 20, 2016, 08:17:29 AM
Is there any reason to believe they will be able to accept alternate payment on android devices besides "amazon does?"
Because there nice people. May 20, 2016, 07:17:17 AM
Phildo
What is there to disagree about? They said the first 2000 blocks would be Proof of Work with no reward. Block 1296 is one of many that has a 23 coin Proof of Stake reward. Is that an honest mistake? Was the first statement a lie? It's not an opinion it's a fact. Now, an opinion would be whether or not that's a big deal, and it may not be a b6ig deal, but it's still an issue. Your only hope for success is that they learned from the mistakes of paycoin, yet here we have the actual results not matching the promises that were given out before things started, and extra coins going into the hands of unknown people before everyone else gets a chance to get/stake any. Does that not sound familiar to you? are you really not worried about any of that?
Don't know the answer to this... don't think it's a mistake though. When you say 23 coin POS where are you getting the info from. I didn't think a block explorer was available yet.
If you had to guess, how many coins in total do you think were POS generated before block 2000. If I had to hazard a guess the POS coins were for testing, possibly to fund the electron element of a staker payout or to go into a bounty pot..... but like I said this is just a guess
If it's a real concern to you then you should visit slack and ask the question,
I'm not worried by this, I've been dealing with them for about a year with no problems. If you think there is a 1%+ chance of a scam then don't invest
BTW. Those images suchmoon is posting are taken from the Ionomy platform https://ionomy.com/. You'll need to sign up then you'll get access to those screens
What is there to disagree about? They said the first 2000 blocks would be Proof of Work with no reward. Block 1296 is one of many that has a 23 coin Proof of Stake reward. Is that an honest mistake? Was the first statement a lie? It's not an opinion it's a fact. Now, an opinion would be whether or not that's a big deal, and it may not be a b6ig deal, but it's still an issue. Your only hope for success is that they learned from the mistakes of paycoin, yet here we have the actual results not matching the promises that were given out before things started, and extra coins going into the hands of unknown people before everyone else gets a chance to get/stake any. Does that not sound familiar to you? are you really not worried about any of that?
Don't know the answer to this... don't think it's a mistake though. When you say 23 coin POS where are you getting the info from. I didn't think a block explorer was available yet.
If you had to guess, how many coins in total do you think were POS generated before block 2000. If I had to hazard a guess the POS coins were for testing, possibly to fund the electron element of a staker payout or to go into a bounty pot..... but like I said this is just a guess
If it's a real concern to you then you should visit slack and ask the question,
I'm not worried by this, I've been dealing with them for about a year with no problems. If you think there is a 1%+ chance of a scam then don't invest
BTW. Those images suchmoon is posting are taken from the Ionomy platform https://ionomy.com/. You'll need to sign up then you'll get access to those screens
I am not signing up for slack. I have barely even looked into this thing and seen enough red flags to stay away. They started this thread here, they're going to have to deal with the repercussions. The people inside the slack are either in on it or too brainwashed to see the light, just like the people in hasthalk and paycointalk and lendcointalk and all the other blablatalks where various stages of this saga have taken place. All I can do is point out the glaringly obvious problems that I can see from here, without even really trying, in hopes to keep other people out of the mess.
Here is block 1236
https://ionchain.com/block/73ce123f7b1fa011a1b4fb320fc7d10bad89dd0777e6a3efe5fe5c1b53b31311
Here is a transaction in that block that consists of nothing but a POS reward
https://ionchain.com/tx/8ba71247b921334e292050d72c1b508d5618c2c7866687361123fd00538bebfa
Now, the amount of coins generated via the POS rewards is trivial compared to the premine, but it still stands out as an issue to me. They said blocks 1-2000 would be POW. This is obviously not a true statement. There are two reasons that statement could be true. either they lied about 1-2000 being POW or there was a mistake in the code. You said you don't think it was a mistake, then it was a lie. Why lie about such a meaningless amount of coins? How many coins do they need for staking rewards? They had 2.5 million set aside at the start, plus all the coins allocated to the ICO that no one bought.
I am not signing up for slack because this is not really a major concern or me. I saw enough red flags from the original post in this thread to stop me from being invested. that isn't going to stop me from following along and asking the questions that I think would be important as we go along. If you have no problem with a coin that literally started with a lie/mistake (I would consider all the blocks pre-distribution of ICO coins the start) good for you, but I'm still going to point out the flaws that I see. Feel free to ignore them, but while you are sailing away on the glorious ship IONia keep your eye out for icebergs, because I feel like there will be a lot of them out there.
Hey Phildo
I too have been doing some digging as what you said didn't sit right, I can confirm
0 - 2000 blocks had POS & POW with no reward got this info asking around slack, this is what the team said
POW phase was to make sure they had enough time to distribute mature coins, to make sure the network could stand on it on its own via POS That was the objective nothing else, again got this asking around slack
You said -- They said blocks 1-2000 would be POW. This is obviously not a true statement.......... I searched but can't find where they said that so unless you can prove it different this is another piece of misinformation designed to discredit the team
Here is block 1236
https://ionchain.com/block/73ce123f7b1fa011a1b4fb320fc7d10bad89dd0777e6a3efe5fe5c1b53b31311
Here is a transaction in that block that consists of nothing but a POS reward
https://ionchain.com/tx/8ba71247b921334e292050d72c1b508d5618c2c7866687361123fd00538bebfa
This sync's up with what they said NO POW reward and a small POS reward 23 ion or $5.75 which is for all to see
I'm not going to go and find anything, if I was wrong about that one, I was wrong about that one, there are still a million other red flags. I, and others, remember reading that POS would start at block 2000 after the coins were distributed. Even if that is wrong, the coins were not distributed at block 2000, so there were tons o blocks with POS rewards going only to the devs/whoever received the premine.
If that is all made up, I apologize, but I still blame them for not putting all of the relevant information in one place that is easy to find.
See how simple it was to answer questions? Now we can move on to the next issues.
What are the guarantees that the masternodes that pay out the charged staker payouts will generate enough coins to do that?
If these nodes generate too few coins for all the payouts what will be done?
If they generate too many what will be done?
Is there any reason to believe they will be able to accept alternate payment on android devices besides "amazon does?"
May 20, 2016, 07:09:02 AM
So like Mark from mt gox they test in a live environment?
Kinda like operating on a newborn baby just to test something.
Kinda like operating on a newborn baby just to test something.
And the test was very successful. They figured out that if they cut the head off the baby will no longer breath.
I love how they say see how amazon works in google playstore.. we are as smart as them.
Amazon actually has money and lawyers and money and did i mention money?
Yep, you mentioned lawyers.
Seriously: the boyz looks an awful lot like those "SEO experts" who find/reverse-engineer/luck into a loophole in Google's search algorithm. It works great until Google finds & closes the loophole, at which point it doesn't.
May 20, 2016, 05:10:32 AM
Phildo
What is there to disagree about? They said the first 2000 blocks would be Proof of Work with no reward. Block 1296 is one of many that has a 23 coin Proof of Stake reward. Is that an honest mistake? Was the first statement a lie? It's not an opinion it's a fact. Now, an opinion would be whether or not that's a big deal, and it may not be a b6ig deal, but it's still an issue. Your only hope for success is that they learned from the mistakes of paycoin, yet here we have the actual results not matching the promises that were given out before things started, and extra coins going into the hands of unknown people before everyone else gets a chance to get/stake any. Does that not sound familiar to you? are you really not worried about any of that?
Don't know the answer to this... don't think it's a mistake though. When you say 23 coin POS where are you getting the info from. I didn't think a block explorer was available yet.
If you had to guess, how many coins in total do you think were POS generated before block 2000. If I had to hazard a guess the POS coins were for testing, possibly to fund the electron element of a staker payout or to go into a bounty pot..... but like I said this is just a guess
If it's a real concern to you then you should visit slack and ask the question,
I'm not worried by this, I've been dealing with them for about a year with no problems. If you think there is a 1%+ chance of a scam then don't invest
BTW. Those images suchmoon is posting are taken from the Ionomy platform https://ionomy.com/. You'll need to sign up then you'll get access to those screens
What is there to disagree about? They said the first 2000 blocks would be Proof of Work with no reward. Block 1296 is one of many that has a 23 coin Proof of Stake reward. Is that an honest mistake? Was the first statement a lie? It's not an opinion it's a fact. Now, an opinion would be whether or not that's a big deal, and it may not be a b6ig deal, but it's still an issue. Your only hope for success is that they learned from the mistakes of paycoin, yet here we have the actual results not matching the promises that were given out before things started, and extra coins going into the hands of unknown people before everyone else gets a chance to get/stake any. Does that not sound familiar to you? are you really not worried about any of that?
Don't know the answer to this... don't think it's a mistake though. When you say 23 coin POS where are you getting the info from. I didn't think a block explorer was available yet.
If you had to guess, how many coins in total do you think were POS generated before block 2000. If I had to hazard a guess the POS coins were for testing, possibly to fund the electron element of a staker payout or to go into a bounty pot..... but like I said this is just a guess
If it's a real concern to you then you should visit slack and ask the question,
I'm not worried by this, I've been dealing with them for about a year with no problems. If you think there is a 1%+ chance of a scam then don't invest
BTW. Those images suchmoon is posting are taken from the Ionomy platform https://ionomy.com/. You'll need to sign up then you'll get access to those screens
I am not signing up for slack. I have barely even looked into this thing and seen enough red flags to stay away. They started this thread here, they're going to have to deal with the repercussions. The people inside the slack are either in on it or too brainwashed to see the light, just like the people in hasthalk and paycointalk and lendcointalk and all the other blablatalks where various stages of this saga have taken place. All I can do is point out the glaringly obvious problems that I can see from here, without even really trying, in hopes to keep other people out of the mess.
Here is block 1236
https://ionchain.com/block/73ce123f7b1fa011a1b4fb320fc7d10bad89dd0777e6a3efe5fe5c1b53b31311
Here is a transaction in that block that consists of nothing but a POS reward
https://ionchain.com/tx/8ba71247b921334e292050d72c1b508d5618c2c7866687361123fd00538bebfa
Now, the amount of coins generated via the POS rewards is trivial compared to the premine, but it still stands out as an issue to me. They said blocks 1-2000 would be POW. This is obviously not a true statement. There are two reasons that statement could be true. either they lied about 1-2000 being POW or there was a mistake in the code. You said you don't think it was a mistake, then it was a lie. Why lie about such a meaningless amount of coins? How many coins do they need for staking rewards? They had 2.5 million set aside at the start, plus all the coins allocated to the ICO that no one bought.
I am not signing up for slack because this is not really a major concern or me. I saw enough red flags from the original post in this thread to stop me from being invested. that isn't going to stop me from following along and asking the questions that I think would be important as we go along. If you have no problem with a coin that literally started with a lie/mistake (I would consider all the blocks pre-distribution of ICO coins the start) good for you, but I'm still going to point out the flaws that I see. Feel free to ignore them, but while you are sailing away on the glorious ship IONia keep your eye out for icebergs, because I feel like there will be a lot of them out there.
Hey Phildo
I too have been doing some digging as what you said didn't sit right, I can confirm
0 - 2000 blocks had POS & POW with no reward got this info asking around slack, this is what the team said
POW phase was to make sure they had enough time to distribute mature coins, to make sure the network could stand on it on its own via POS That was the objective nothing else, again got this asking around slack
You said -- They said blocks 1-2000 would be POW. This is obviously not a true statement.......... I searched but can't find where they said that so unless you can prove it different this is another piece of misinformation designed to discredit the team
Here is block 1236
https://ionchain.com/block/73ce123f7b1fa011a1b4fb320fc7d10bad89dd0777e6a3efe5fe5c1b53b31311
Here is a transaction in that block that consists of nothing but a POS reward
https://ionchain.com/tx/8ba71247b921334e292050d72c1b508d5618c2c7866687361123fd00538bebfa
This sync's up with what they said NO POW reward and a small POS reward 23 ion or $5.75 which is for all to see
I honestly don't remember where they said the first 2000 blocks were POW and POS. Would you mind providing a link where that was said? Previous to this happening. I understand and appreciate you asking in slack and posting here, but I would like to see where it was mentioned prior to this. I only remember hearing POW for the first 2000 blocks.
May 20, 2016, 04:26:10 AM
Phildo
What is there to disagree about? They said the first 2000 blocks would be Proof of Work with no reward. Block 1296 is one of many that has a 23 coin Proof of Stake reward. Is that an honest mistake? Was the first statement a lie? It's not an opinion it's a fact. Now, an opinion would be whether or not that's a big deal, and it may not be a b6ig deal, but it's still an issue. Your only hope for success is that they learned from the mistakes of paycoin, yet here we have the actual results not matching the promises that were given out before things started, and extra coins going into the hands of unknown people before everyone else gets a chance to get/stake any. Does that not sound familiar to you? are you really not worried about any of that?
Don't know the answer to this... don't think it's a mistake though. When you say 23 coin POS where are you getting the info from. I didn't think a block explorer was available yet.
If you had to guess, how many coins in total do you think were POS generated before block 2000. If I had to hazard a guess the POS coins were for testing, possibly to fund the electron element of a staker payout or to go into a bounty pot..... but like I said this is just a guess
If it's a real concern to you then you should visit slack and ask the question,
I'm not worried by this, I've been dealing with them for about a year with no problems. If you think there is a 1%+ chance of a scam then don't invest
BTW. Those images suchmoon is posting are taken from the Ionomy platform https://ionomy.com/. You'll need to sign up then you'll get access to those screens
What is there to disagree about? They said the first 2000 blocks would be Proof of Work with no reward. Block 1296 is one of many that has a 23 coin Proof of Stake reward. Is that an honest mistake? Was the first statement a lie? It's not an opinion it's a fact. Now, an opinion would be whether or not that's a big deal, and it may not be a b6ig deal, but it's still an issue. Your only hope for success is that they learned from the mistakes of paycoin, yet here we have the actual results not matching the promises that were given out before things started, and extra coins going into the hands of unknown people before everyone else gets a chance to get/stake any. Does that not sound familiar to you? are you really not worried about any of that?
Don't know the answer to this... don't think it's a mistake though. When you say 23 coin POS where are you getting the info from. I didn't think a block explorer was available yet.
If you had to guess, how many coins in total do you think were POS generated before block 2000. If I had to hazard a guess the POS coins were for testing, possibly to fund the electron element of a staker payout or to go into a bounty pot..... but like I said this is just a guess
If it's a real concern to you then you should visit slack and ask the question,
I'm not worried by this, I've been dealing with them for about a year with no problems. If you think there is a 1%+ chance of a scam then don't invest
BTW. Those images suchmoon is posting are taken from the Ionomy platform https://ionomy.com/. You'll need to sign up then you'll get access to those screens
I am not signing up for slack. I have barely even looked into this thing and seen enough red flags to stay away. They started this thread here, they're going to have to deal with the repercussions. The people inside the slack are either in on it or too brainwashed to see the light, just like the people in hasthalk and paycointalk and lendcointalk and all the other blablatalks where various stages of this saga have taken place. All I can do is point out the glaringly obvious problems that I can see from here, without even really trying, in hopes to keep other people out of the mess.
Here is block 1236
https://ionchain.com/block/73ce123f7b1fa011a1b4fb320fc7d10bad89dd0777e6a3efe5fe5c1b53b31311
Here is a transaction in that block that consists of nothing but a POS reward
https://ionchain.com/tx/8ba71247b921334e292050d72c1b508d5618c2c7866687361123fd00538bebfa
Now, the amount of coins generated via the POS rewards is trivial compared to the premine, but it still stands out as an issue to me. They said blocks 1-2000 would be POW. This is obviously not a true statement. There are two reasons that statement could be true. either they lied about 1-2000 being POW or there was a mistake in the code. You said you don't think it was a mistake, then it was a lie. Why lie about such a meaningless amount of coins? How many coins do they need for staking rewards? They had 2.5 million set aside at the start, plus all the coins allocated to the ICO that no one bought.
I am not signing up for slack because this is not really a major concern or me. I saw enough red flags from the original post in this thread to stop me from being invested. that isn't going to stop me from following along and asking the questions that I think would be important as we go along. If you have no problem with a coin that literally started with a lie/mistake (I would consider all the blocks pre-distribution of ICO coins the start) good for you, but I'm still going to point out the flaws that I see. Feel free to ignore them, but while you are sailing away on the glorious ship IONia keep your eye out for icebergs, because I feel like there will be a lot of them out there.
Hey Phildo
I too have been doing some digging as what you said didn't sit right, I can confirm
0 - 2000 blocks had POS & POW with no reward got this info asking around slack, this is what the team said
POW phase was to make sure they had enough time to distribute mature coins, to make sure the network could stand on it on its own via POS That was the objective nothing else, again got this asking around slack
You said -- They said blocks 1-2000 would be POW. This is obviously not a true statement.......... I searched but can't find where they said that so unless you can prove it different this is another piece of misinformation designed to discredit the team
Here is block 1236
https://ionchain.com/block/73ce123f7b1fa011a1b4fb320fc7d10bad89dd0777e6a3efe5fe5c1b53b31311
Here is a transaction in that block that consists of nothing but a POS reward
https://ionchain.com/tx/8ba71247b921334e292050d72c1b508d5618c2c7866687361123fd00538bebfa
This sync's up with what they said NO POW reward and a small POS reward 23 ion or $5.75 which is for all to see
May 19, 2016, 10:10:37 PM
Damn, Franz, re-read, you're not actually joking? That's something they're actually working on?
Yeah, I was not making that one up. https://ionomy.com/gamesI think I agree with suchmoon. They should make cars, too.
I do gotta admit, this is an interesting concept. Card Against Humanity is an awesome game. Guess it depends on how they structure the game. I could see it having potential in all seriousness.
From the description, it's nothing like cards against humanity, except that it's "edgey." Just looks like ruzzle minus the multiplayer plus being "cool" by ripping defintions from urban dictionary.
Hope they at least have the sense of humor to include this definition
May 19, 2016, 07:13:59 PM
Lol I'm going to screenshot-archive these "conversations" on BCT and post those to Slack, get me more popcorn 
By all means
Did you get the mac issue resolved? If not you should maybe have them try building blackcoin and/or dash and see which one has the issue (or if it's ION's own doing). Serious advice, I'm not mocking, that's how I would go about it if nothing else helps.
May 19, 2016, 06:26:00 PM
85 pages full of shit! Nice ontopic, 5 users posting against "hmmm, no rules" . Interesting, you 5 remind me really on hashtalk with the way how you talk to everybody. If someone replies to you, you ask and demand, with a lot shitting around when doing this, how productive is it what you do?
This thread is already locked, nobody, really nobody talks to you here. You opened it for yourself like we see and everbody does its best to silence others with being rude, 88 pages to say it is scam and nothing will work. 1 page is enough for most and these that read through will know more than in 85 pages of rudeness and frustration, here we have 85 pages already. I see you are not complaining about each others offtopic.
What if they are succeessfull? Did you take this possibility into account? Even if they sell shit, this shit in this thread seems to be lees worth then their ICO.
. Interesting, you 5 remind me really on hashtalk with the way how you talk to everybody. If someone replies to you, you ask and demand, with a lot shitting around when doing this, how productive is it what you do?This thread is already locked
, nobody, really nobody talks to you here. You opened it for yourself like we see and everbody does its best to silence others with being rude, 88 pages to say it is scam and nothing will work. 1 page is enough for most and these that read through will know more than in 85 pages of rudeness and frustration, here we have 85 pages already. I see you are not complaining about each others offtopic.What if they are succeessfull? Did you take this possibility into account? Even if they sell shit, this shit in this thread seems to be lees worth then their ICO.
Please refrain from off topic posts thanks. And if they're successful, that's great for them. I hope it works out for them. It isn't for me but I'd still like to learn about it. I'm real curious about the game development, that is very interesting to me. It'd be nice if they answered some questions. I'm interested in their approach as people have different strategies that could be interesting.
May 19, 2016, 05:28:21 PM
Ionomy will be like Amazon soon selling their there apps! They have multiple ways.
Becausethey're there nice people.
Because
Jesus Christ, now Adam Matlack thinks he's Jeff Bezos.
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