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Topic: [ANN] ION [ION] | POS 3.0 | Mobile Gaming | Join the ionomy today! - page 452. (Read 473154 times)

legendary
Activity: 2100
Merit: 1042
HODL
Investing in an obvious scam like GAW is a crime. The crime is stupidity. this wasn't a run of the mill scam, this was a blatantly obvious scam that had many people pointing out the obvious flaws along the way (seem familiar to anyone?) Falling or that is way different than ordering something on ebay and getting a brick in the mail.

stupidity is not a crime (this is lucky for you) and i do not agree that getting scammed means you are stupid.

you need to decide what you mean by crime as i think you have not a good understanding of the term causing you argue invalid points which dont make sense in relations to any crimes at all.

I did not say that getting scammed means you are stupid.

I said that getting scammed by Garza to the extent these idiots did means you are too stupid to run a company that has anything to do with cryptocurrency. That's a big difference.

how can you believe someone who thought "digital cloud miners" were a thing is smart enough to do any of the things they are claiming to do?

Hey Madness, I am selling a bunch of my digital cloud miners, are you interested? I can transfer them instantly. You send the BTC first and I will then send you the digital cloud miner...deal?
legendary
Activity: 1526
Merit: 1000
Investing in an obvious scam like GAW is a crime. The crime is stupidity. this wasn't a run of the mill scam, this was a blatantly obvious scam that had many people pointing out the obvious flaws along the way (seem familiar to anyone?) Falling or that is way different than ordering something on ebay and getting a brick in the mail.

stupidity is not a crime (this is lucky for you) and i do not agree that getting scammed means you are stupid.

you need to decide what you mean by crime as i think you have not a good understanding of the term causing you argue invalid points which dont make sense in relations to any crimes at all.

I did not say that getting scammed means you are stupid.

I said that getting scammed by Garza to the extent these idiots did means you are too stupid to run a company that has anything to do with cryptocurrency. That's a big difference.

how can you believe someone who thought "digital cloud miners" were a thing is smart enough to do any of the things they are claiming to do?
full member
Activity: 223
Merit: 100


newestfunalversion.com is quite the engineering marvel. That site has given me the utmost confidence in the people behind this project.  

He has actually stated that he takes on too much work and either works himself stupid or let's down his client. Makes me warm and fuzzy inside to give him my monies!  At least he is honest and let everyone know that he has the potential to let you down.
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So two wordpress templates which were installed and never used, a site which would have looked sad and dreadful in 1991 and another domain which appears to be no loner registered...

Yup, Ionomy is in good hands... :-)
legendary
Activity: 2100
Merit: 1042
HODL
More of this guy's domains:



newestfunalversion.com is quite the engineering marvel. That site has given me the utmost confidence in the people behind this project.  

He has actually stated that he takes on too much work and either works himself stupid or let's down his client. Makes me warm and fuzzy inside to give him my monies!  At least he is honest and let everyone know that he has the potential to let you down.
sr. member
Activity: 406
Merit: 250
More of this guy's domains:

sr. member
Activity: 406
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This article mentions a "Mark Gravina" as the founder of Ionomy. Has this name been mentioned up until this point? I don't recognize it.

https://news.bitcoin.com/blockchain-gaming-ionomy-full-crypto/

So this dude, presumably?

https://www.linkedin.com/in/mark-gravina-957102

And this Gravina dude has a Singapore address associated with several other domain names. And of course he's from Boston, so he's probably a pal of Homero's and that's how he got mixed up in this scheme.

Here's his email in case anyone wants to drop him a line directly with the litany of unanswered questions about this "project".

[email protected]

sr. member
Activity: 406
Merit: 250
This article mentions a "Mark Gravina" as the founder of Ionomy. Has this name been mentioned up until this point? I don't recognize it.

https://news.bitcoin.com/blockchain-gaming-ionomy-full-crypto/

So this dude, presumably?

https://www.linkedin.com/in/mark-gravina-957102
sr. member
Activity: 406
Merit: 250
Investing in an obvious scam like GAW is a crime. The crime is stupidity. this wasn't a run of the mill scam, this was a blatantly obvious scam that had many people pointing out the obvious flaws along the way (seem familiar to anyone?) Falling or that is way different than ordering something on ebay and getting a brick in the mail.

stupidity is not a crime (this is lucky for you) and i do not agree that getting scammed means you are stupid.

you need to decide what you mean by crime as i think you have not a good understanding of the term causing you argue invalid points which dont make sense in relations to any crimes at all.

Project much?

Oh, also: "don't"

you should go back to work. you are depriving some village of their idiot today.

Hey, congrats on spelling "their" correctly. I would have figured you for more of a "there idiot" kind of guy.
hero member
Activity: 644
Merit: 500
My goal is becaming a billionaire.
Investing in an obvious scam like GAW is a crime. The crime is stupidity. this wasn't a run of the mill scam, this was a blatantly obvious scam that had many people pointing out the obvious flaws along the way (seem familiar to anyone?) Falling or that is way different than ordering something on ebay and getting a brick in the mail.

stupidity is not a crime (this is lucky for you) and i do not agree that getting scammed means you are stupid.

you need to decide what you mean by crime as i think you have not a good understanding of the term causing you argue invalid points which dont make sense in relations to any crimes at all.

Project much?

Oh, also: "don't"

you should go back to work. you are depriving some village of their idiot today.
sr. member
Activity: 406
Merit: 250
Hey Madness, how do you like my new avatar?
sr. member
Activity: 406
Merit: 250
Investing in an obvious scam like GAW is a crime. The crime is stupidity. this wasn't a run of the mill scam, this was a blatantly obvious scam that had many people pointing out the obvious flaws along the way (seem familiar to anyone?) Falling or that is way different than ordering something on ebay and getting a brick in the mail.

stupidity is not a crime (this is lucky for you) and i do not agree that getting scammed means you are stupid.

you need to decide what you mean by crime as i think you have not a good understanding of the term causing you argue invalid points which dont make sense in relations to any crimes at all.

Project much?

Oh, also: "don't"
hero member
Activity: 644
Merit: 500
My goal is becaming a billionaire.
Investing in an obvious scam like GAW is a crime. The crime is stupidity. this wasn't a run of the mill scam, this was a blatantly obvious scam that had many people pointing out the obvious flaws along the way (seem familiar to anyone?) Falling or that is way different than ordering something on ebay and getting a brick in the mail.

stupidity is not a crime (this is lucky for you) and i do not agree that getting scammed means you are stupid.

you need to decide what you mean by crime as i think you have not a good understanding of the term causing you argue invalid points which dont make sense in relations to any crimes at all.
hero member
Activity: 742
Merit: 500
Well a person who cares about what he is investing in goes to slack and asks questions.

Does a person who cares about what he's investing in care if the people he's investing in lied about forming a company called Ionomy PTE, in Singapore?

I dont recall them lying? I recall hearing that they were in the process of changing the name? Any customer that used the XPY. io platform will tell you that the support was second to none btw just for all the people calling it a failure. Nobody that invested anything in that platform lost anything,I wouldnt call that a failure.

@phildo so did thousands of others so maybe try a better one to discredit them ehh?

Wish you guys would have warned me about cryptsy being a scam even though they were a registered biz.

Oh well. Either you lie again on purpose or just wrote how bad you are in listening to other people. Looking at the other thread and this one, lol, you even did not read it.

Why do you lie? Ok, I'll point you only to 1 thing => Craptsy. You like everybody else there was warned multiple times about cryptsy, months before it happened. For you guys, it wasn't even enough that I shocked craptsy team by telling them on their chat that bitjohn left them, hehe, they also did not believe after john confirmed it.

So my friend, you are not alone, you have a bunch people who dont listen. In this thread people warn you again and you dont listen. It is ok if you invest, but dont turn off your brain when making public statements for an company, please do not do this ever.
full member
Activity: 223
Merit: 100
I dont recall them lying? I recall hearing that they were in the process of changing the name? Any customer that used the XPY. io platform will tell you that the support was second to none btw just for all the people calling it a failure. Nobody that invested anything in that platform lost anything,I wouldnt call that a failure.

They came here claiming they were already a registered company, under the name Ionomy PTE.  They weren't.

The story about it simply being a name change only came out several days later and to date there's still little enough evidence to support that assertion.

Does a person who cares about what he's investing in care if the people he's investing in lied about forming a company called Ionomy PTE, in Singapore?

Do you care that the people you are investing in thought "digital cloud miners" existed? Or that someone would sell them a $20 bill for $4?

Just checking, that wasn't friendly fire, was it? Grin
legendary
Activity: 1596
Merit: 1021
@suchmoon I like what ya did there, but I have no idea what way they will implement it? Im sorry the answer i gave which was my own opinion is not enough? I suppose we will find out? Who sai anything about them using an in game currency anyway?Taken from the whitepaper--

To paraphrase your fellow investor - why is it that only non-investors are actually doing any homework here?

https://ionomy.com/games

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Hints are unlocked by completing new levels or can be purchased with ION or mobile phone accounts.

If you know otherwise then please elaborate what the "desirable uses" for ION would be. Unless you forgot to ask about that on slack.

why don't they just make a mysql database and give people crystals.. it has to be a cryptocurrency why?

they just don't get it.. the electons double their stake rate... so where does the double stake rate come from? Thats right the web stakers are drawing profits from masternodes and paying 1/4 of that to users normally... when they electrify they pay 1/2 earnings. The earnings they pay the users comes from premine masternode supply in excess. There is no code magic that says hey if i have electrons in the wallet then my stake rate on the block chain doubles..

Hints in games for ion... seriously...

The site is an aim to dilute the users holdings while outpacing their customer in coin generation. Its very very very much alike make more coins to pay investors to make more coins. It will collapse it isn't sustainable. Even if the devs didn't sell coins or make masternodes (which they will they can't help themselves just like garza couldn't.. that first ferarri rental does something to your brain like crack cocaine or something) its impossible to be a high market coin. Look at all the other POS coins... none are raking in what people think. The sell pressure from devs and buy pressure will even out at the start to make the milk last longer... once people load up and buy then the dev sells will drop the buy side people will panic on losses selll more then shit hits the fan and before you know it like xpy down to sub 3000 satoshi.
legendary
Activity: 1596
Merit: 1021
ios and andoud games giving crypto isnt a problem. using it as ingame currency is. app stores have their own currency for this. how are they getting around this? you can give ion away in your games but cant sell ion to use in your game.... i think you missed this part

Oh id argue that your the one missing the part that there is ways around it. You act as though there is no ways around it and there are that are perfectly fine. One thing i can almost assure you is that this team knows the TOS of both. I know that because I dont miss things,like when they tell me when i invest in ION that if I have questions go to slack and ask. Well a person who cares about what he is investing in goes to slack and asks questions.

There are not ways to go around it. As per all platforms using steam as an example they prevent this occuring. Notice how crisis 3 isn't on steam? Thats because they wanted to sell the base game on steam and have ingame sales of expansions etc outside the steam economy. This invalidated the agreement on steam so they didn't list crysis 3.

If your game sells say crystals for points ingame to use its fine so long as you buy those crystals with apple instore purchases. These are set rate packs. So you could technically buy ion to use ingame with apple credits but 30% of all sales go to apple. So therefore ionomy has to inflate the cost over to make even. Unless they are mass staking free coins from masternodes to sell you?

Apple and android are QUITE strict on crypto in games and how its actually used and awarded. You cannot build an ingame shop that lets people sell their ion inside the game this is a store inside a store and not allowed.

There is no getting around it which you shouldn't consider with ion anyway. Doing so with getting around terms indicates dishonesty and intention to abuse a inplace system... remember how garza tried ot do that with amazon services when it was against TOS? Are you indicating that there are ways to get around it i.e trying to sneak around apple store rules?

Check out sarutobi (i think is its spelling). This game awards bitcoin over time though its small. It initially had problems getting onto the app store and had to pass a lot of things. All it is is a mini faucet.

So again i think you are missing the point. Unless you believe apple, google and microsoft are less smart with their lawyer contacts and team and team ion are geniuses (in which case i think you are deluded) then i don't think i've missed anything.

Platforms like steam, app store, play store and microsoft market don't make a platform for other people to make money with their audience without taking a big cut. You are playing on their field with their rules... after all they own it.
legendary
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Merit: 8909
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@suchmoon I like what ya did there, but I have no idea what way they will implement it? Im sorry the answer i gave which was my own opinion is not enough? I suppose we will find out? Who sai anything about them using an in game currency anyway?Taken from the whitepaper--

To paraphrase your fellow investor - why is it that only non-investors are actually doing any homework here?

https://ionomy.com/games

Quote
Hints are unlocked by completing new levels or can be purchased with ION or mobile phone accounts.

If you know otherwise then please elaborate what the "desirable uses" for ION would be. Unless you forgot to ask about that on slack.
sr. member
Activity: 434
Merit: 250
ios and andoud games giving crypto isnt a problem. using it as ingame currency is. app stores have their own currency for this. how are they getting around this? you can give ion away in your games but cant sell ion to use in your game.... i think you missed this part

Oh id argue that your the one missing the part that there is ways around it. You act as though there is no ways around it and there are that are perfectly fine. One thing i can almost assure you is that this team knows the TOS of both. I know that because I dont miss things,like when they tell me when i invest in ION that if I have questions go to slack and ask. Well a person who cares about what he is investing in goes to slack and asks questions.

Did you ask that specific question? Or how else do you know that "there are [ways around TOS] that are perfectly fine"?

Sounds familiar doesn't it moon?
https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/josh-garza-speaks-paybase-launch-amazon-shopping-using-paycoin/

Hopefully the ION team can convince some indie game to utilize the coin if they haven't already started using competing coins that have already gone to the mobile platforms already with their designs. I'm sure the ION team from Singapore cloud™ full explored it all, don't worry.
There's no floor this time. Its rockets and cloudware.
Go purple rockets!

Aww that's cute moon has a cheerleader You burn your house down with a hot btc miner making nothing, I'll try my luck making electrons for gaming to boost my staker earnings and ION. Fine with me

I think you have me confused for someone else. I've disagreed with moon and others on other items.
I'm personally coin agnostic and don't mine at home.
I just enjoy shit talking with everyone. Nothing we say is going to be realistically answered anyways.
The coin will launch regardless of whatever we say and VC money comes in.
Then history will repeat itself.
Please convince the ION team to make swag... at least a coffee mug so I can put it in my collection.  Grin
member
Activity: 84
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ios and andoud games giving crypto isnt a problem. using it as ingame currency is. app stores have their own currency for this. how are they getting around this? you can give ion away in your games but cant sell ion to use in your game.... i think you missed this part

Oh id argue that your the one missing the part that there is ways around it. You act as though there is no ways around it and there are that are perfectly fine. One thing i can almost assure you is that this team knows the TOS of both. I know that because I dont miss things,like when they tell me when i invest in ION that if I have questions go to slack and ask. Well a person who cares about what he is investing in goes to slack and asks questions.

Did you ask that specific question? Or how else do you know that "there are [ways around TOS] that are perfectly fine"?

Sounds familiar doesn't it moon?
https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/josh-garza-speaks-paybase-launch-amazon-shopping-using-paycoin/

Hopefully the ION team can convince some indie game to utilize the coin if they haven't already started using competing coins that have already gone to the mobile platforms already with their designs. I'm sure the ION team from Singapore cloud™ full explored it all, don't worry.
There's no floor this time. Its rockets and cloudware.
Go purple rockets!

Aww that's cute moon has a cheerleader You burn your house down with a hot btc miner making nothing, I'll try my luck making electrons for gaming to boost my staker earnings and ION. Fine with me
sr. member
Activity: 434
Merit: 250
ios and andoud games giving crypto isnt a problem. using it as ingame currency is. app stores have their own currency for this. how are they getting around this? you can give ion away in your games but cant sell ion to use in your game.... i think you missed this part

Oh id argue that your the one missing the part that there is ways around it. You act as though there is no ways around it and there are that are perfectly fine. One thing i can almost assure you is that this team knows the TOS of both. I know that because I dont miss things,like when they tell me when i invest in ION that if I have questions go to slack and ask. Well a person who cares about what he is investing in goes to slack and asks questions.

Did you ask that specific question? Or how else do you know that "there are [ways around TOS] that are perfectly fine"?

Sounds familiar doesn't it moon?
https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/josh-garza-speaks-paybase-launch-amazon-shopping-using-paycoin/

Hopefully the ION team can convince some indie game to utilize the coin if they haven't already started using competing coins that have already gone to the mobile platforms already with their designs. I'm sure the ION team from Singapore cloud™ full explored it all, don't worry.
There's no floor this time. Its rockets and cloudware.
Go purple rockets!
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