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newbie
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very nice `` fixed   ``thanks  Ixcoin community
jr. member
Activity: 52
Merit: 36
tried to add node but didn't work



15:31:33

addnode=95.217.77.209


15:31:33

Method not found (code -32601)


You need to type "addnode 95.217.77.209 add" for each node.

Use these:

addnode 87.98.159.143 add
addnode 64.71.72.56 add
addnode 95.217.77.209 add
addnode 52.15.150.105 add

Maybe also try with the antivirus off.

The last option would be to just backup your wallet.dat and re-install and download the blockchain from scratch.
newbie
Activity: 40
Merit: 0
I appreciate all the help but still will not sync 










2020-12-03 03:26:41 iXcoin version v0.14.1.0-2f7da53
2020-12-03 03:26:41 InitParameterInteraction: parameter interaction: -whitelistforcerelay=1 -> setting -whitelistrelay=1
2020-12-03 03:26:41 GUI: "registerShutdownBlockReason: Successfully registered: iXcoin Core didn't yet exit safely..."
2020-12-03 03:26:46 Default data directory C:\Users\wish you where beer\AppData\Roaming\iXcoin
2020-12-03 03:26:46 Using data directory F:\ixcoin
2020-12-03 03:26:46 Using config file F:\ixcoin\ixcoin.conf
2020-12-03 03:26:46 Using at most 125 connections (2048 file descriptors available)
2020-12-03 03:26:46 Using 2 threads for script verification
2020-12-03 03:26:46 scheduler thread start
2020-12-03 03:26:46 Using BerkeleyDB version Berkeley DB 4.8.30: (April  9, 2010)
2020-12-03 03:26:46 Using wallet wallet.dat
2020-12-03 03:26:46 init message: Verifying wallet...
2020-12-03 03:26:46 CDBEnv::Open: LogDir=F:\ixcoin\database ErrorFile=F:\ixcoin\db.log
2020-12-03 03:26:46 Bound to [::]:8337
2020-12-03 03:26:46 Bound to 0.0.0.0:8337
2020-12-03 03:26:46 Cache configuration:
2020-12-03 03:26:46 * Using 2.0MiB for block index database
2020-12-03 03:26:46 * Using 8.0MiB for chain state database
2020-12-03 03:26:46 * Using 290.0MiB for in-memory UTXO set
2020-12-03 03:26:46 init message: Loading block index...
2020-12-03 03:26:46 Opening LevelDB in F:\ixcoin\blocks\index
2020-12-03 03:26:46 Opened LevelDB successfully
2020-12-03 03:26:46 Using obfuscation key for F:\ixcoin\blocks\index: 0000000000000000
2020-12-03 03:26:46 Opening LevelDB in F:\ixcoin\chainstate
2020-12-03 03:26:46 Opened LevelDB successfully
2020-12-03 03:26:46 Wrote new obfuscate key for F:\ixcoin\chainstate: 0c5de3b8263507c8
2020-12-03 03:26:46 Using obfuscation key for F:\ixcoin\chainstate: 0c5de3b8263507c8
2020-12-03 03:26:46 LoadBlockIndexDB: last block file = 0
2020-12-03 03:26:46 LoadBlockIndexDB: last block file info: CBlockFileInfo(blocks=0, size=0, heights=0...0, time=1970-01-01...1970-01-01)
2020-12-03 03:26:46 Checking all blk files are present...
2020-12-03 03:26:46 LoadBlockIndexDB: transaction index disabled
2020-12-03 03:26:46 Initializing databases...
2020-12-03 03:26:46 Pre-allocating up to position 0x1000000 in blk00000.dat
2020-12-03 03:26:46 init message: Verifying blocks...
2020-12-03 03:26:46  block index              94ms
2020-12-03 03:26:46 init message: Loading wallet...
2020-12-03 03:26:46 nFileVersion = 140100
2020-12-03 03:26:46 Keys: 0 plaintext, 0 encrypted, 0 w/ metadata, 0 total
2020-12-03 03:26:46 Performing wallet upgrade to 60000
2020-12-03 03:26:46 keypool added key 1, size=1
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 2, size=2
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 3, size=3
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 4, size=4
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 5, size=5
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 6, size=6
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 7, size=7
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 8, size=8
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 9, size=9
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 10, size=10
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 11, size=11
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 12, size=12
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 13, size=13
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 14, size=14
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 15, size=15
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 16, size=16
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 17, size=17
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 18, size=18
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 19, size=19
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 20, size=20
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 21, size=21
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 22, size=22
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 23, size=23
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 24, size=24
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 25, size=25
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 26, size=26
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 27, size=27
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 28, size=28
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 29, size=29
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 30, size=30
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 31, size=31
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 32, size=32
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 33, size=33
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 34, size=34
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 35, size=35
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 36, size=36
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 37, size=37
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 38, size=38
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 39, size=39
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 40, size=40
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 41, size=41
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 42, size=42
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 43, size=43
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 44, size=44
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 45, size=45
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 46, size=46
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 47, size=47
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 48, size=48
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 49, size=49
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 50, size=50
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 51, size=51
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 52, size=52
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 53, size=53
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 54, size=54
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 55, size=55
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 56, size=56
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 57, size=57
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 58, size=58
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 59, size=59
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 60, size=60
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 61, size=61
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 62, size=62
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 63, size=63
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 64, size=64
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 65, size=65
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 66, size=66
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 67, size=67
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 68, size=68
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 69, size=69
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 70, size=70
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 71, size=71
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 72, size=72
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 73, size=73
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 74, size=74
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 75, size=75
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 76, size=76
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 77, size=77
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 78, size=78
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 79, size=79
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 80, size=80
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 81, size=81
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 82, size=82
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 83, size=83
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 84, size=84
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 85, size=85
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 86, size=86
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 87, size=87
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 88, size=88
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 89, size=89
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 90, size=90
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 91, size=91
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 92, size=92
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 93, size=93
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 94, size=94
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 95, size=95
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 96, size=96
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 97, size=97
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 98, size=98
2020-12-03 03:26:47 keypool added key 99, size=99
2020-12-03 03:26:48 keypool added key 100, size=100
2020-12-03 03:26:48 keypool added key 101, size=101
2020-12-03 03:26:48 keypool reserve 1
2020-12-03 03:26:48 keypool keep 1
2020-12-03 03:26:48  wallet                 1128ms
2020-12-03 03:26:48 setKeyPool.size() = 100
2020-12-03 03:26:48 mapWallet.size() = 0
2020-12-03 03:26:48 mapAddressBook.size() = 1
2020-12-03 03:26:48 UpdateTip: new best=0000000001534ef8893b025b9c1da67250285e35c9f76cae36a4904fdf72c591 height=0 version=0x00000001 log2_work=32.000022 tx=1 date='2011-04-29 21:44:07' progress=0.000000 cache=0.0MiB(0tx)
2020-12-03 03:26:48 mapBlockIndex.size() = 1
2020-12-03 03:26:48 nBestHeight = 0
2020-12-03 03:26:48 torcontrol thread start
2020-12-03 03:26:48 init message: Loading addresses...
2020-12-03 03:26:48 upnp thread start
2020-12-03 03:26:48 ERROR: Read: Failed to open file F:\ixcoin\peers.dat
2020-12-03 03:26:48 Invalid or missing peers.dat; recreating
2020-12-03 03:26:48 init message: Loading banlist...
2020-12-03 03:26:48 ERROR: Read: Failed to open file F:\ixcoin\banlist.dat
2020-12-03 03:26:48 Invalid or missing banlist.dat; recreating
2020-12-03 03:26:48 init message: Starting network threads...
2020-12-03 03:26:48 addcon thread start
2020-12-03 03:26:48 net thread start
2020-12-03 03:26:48 msghand thread start
2020-12-03 03:26:48 opencon thread start
2020-12-03 03:26:48 dnsseed thread start
2020-12-03 03:26:48 init message: Done loading
2020-12-03 03:26:48 Loading addresses from DNS seeds (could take a while)
2020-12-03 03:26:48 0 addresses found from DNS seeds
2020-12-03 03:26:48 dnsseed thread exit
2020-12-03 03:26:48 GUI: Platform customization: "windows"
2020-12-03 03:26:48 GUI: PaymentServer::LoadRootCAs: Loaded  51  root certificates
2020-12-03 03:26:51 UPnP: ExternalIPAddress = 75.84.57.42
2020-12-03 03:26:51 AddLocal(75.84.57.42:8337,3)
2020-12-03 03:26:52 UPnP Port Mapping successful.
2020-12-03 03:27:25 tor: Thread interrupt
2020-12-03 03:27:25 torcontrol thread exit
2020-12-03 03:27:25 scheduler thread interrupt
2020-12-03 03:27:25 msghand thread interrupt
2020-12-03 03:27:25 addcon thread interrupt
2020-12-03 03:27:25 net thread interrupt
2020-12-03 03:27:26 opencon thread interrupt
2020-12-03 03:27:26 Shutdown: In progress...
2020-12-03 03:27:26 UPNP_DeletePortMapping() returned: 0
2020-12-03 03:27:26 upnp thread interrupt
2020-12-03 03:27:26 Stop
2020-12-03 03:27:26 Shutdown: done
2020-12-03 03:28:06


[moderator's note: consecutive posts merged]
hero member
Activity: 1451
Merit: 973
tried to add node but didn't work



15:31:33

addnode=95.217.77.209


15:31:33

Method not found (code -32601)


Type %appdata% into your search and click on roaming>IXCOIN   then rename your wallet.dat to something like wallet.dat1234 so it regenerates a new empty wallet.dat when you close down the executables.Then try syncing up your wallet with zero balance.If it works or doesnt you still can go back and remove/delete the new wallet.dat and rename the one you renamed wallet.dat1234 or whatever back to just wallet.dat to have balance reappear.

Make a back up and save private key if you want using dumpprivkey command in console
newbie
Activity: 40
Merit: 0
tried to add node but didn't work



15:31:33

addnode=95.217.77.209


15:31:33

Method not found (code -32601)
jr. member
Activity: 52
Merit: 36
stops at 2 years 27 weeks `` no  connections ``` no block source available ````iXcoin Core version v0.14.1.0-2f7da53 (64-bit)

Maybe check if your antivirus isn't blocking them. If not, try adding nodes manually and wait some time to see if that works.

You can find a node list at: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/ixc/#!network

newbie
Activity: 40
Merit: 0
stops at 2 years 27 weeks `` no  connections ``` no block source available ````iXcoin Core version v0.14.1.0-2f7da53 (64-bit)
legendary
Activity: 3052
Merit: 1530
www.ixcoin.net
Please help starting my wallet its stuck - its 2 years behind , any help would be appreciated

Mine is 5 years behind.  Probably Rusted, wet and moldy.  What can I do?  :/

Like Cata said, we had a hard fork so update to new wallet. 

Catacata, it’s giving me anxiety cause I feel it means something but I haven’t been able to figure it out.  It used to all be simple Latin stuff now I gotta put in effort.  lol
member
Activity: 89
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Please help starting my wallet its stuck - its 2 years behind , any help would be appreciated

hard fork

https://github.com/IXCore/IXCoin/releases/tag/v0.14.1
jr. member
Activity: 52
Merit: 36
Please help starting my wallet its stuck - its 2 years behind , any help would be appreciated
What does the wallet say? What version are you running?

Are you getting connections?
newbie
Activity: 40
Merit: 0
Please help starting my wallet its stuck - its 2 years behind , any help would be appreciated
legendary
Activity: 3052
Merit: 1530
www.ixcoin.net
OK so lets continue that story.

Tom, Dick and Harry now each owe Joe some so-called loonies, because they "issued" them to him. Which is to say, he has a bunch of IOUs, or as some call them, tokens, called loonies, a bunch of different loonies in that each of those loonie-IOUs is from a particular "issuer" of loonie-IOUs.

Now Joe, as far as we know so far, is not yet an "issuer" of so called "loonies" himself yet.

So, thinking about inviting Vlad to the group's next get-together and knowing that Vlad likes to use so called IXC, Joe tells his account to trust Vlad for some number of IXC then sets up buy offers pairing Vlad-IXC against Tom-loonies, Dick-loonies and Harry-loonies, since those are what he currently has on hand.

Along comes Vlad. He is going to go to lunch with those guys at their local watering-hole. He has heard the story so he knows those guys use so-called loonies, and he also knows that Joe trusts Tom's loonies and also Dick's loonies and also Harry's loonies.

Vlad decides he might as well introduce those guys to IXCoin.

So Vlad, knowing that Joe is a "hub" for loonies in that crowd, finds out Joe's account and tells his to trust it for "loonies".

Heh heh see what he did there? He made Joe, too, into an "issuer" of loonies!

Now that he trusts Joe-loonies, he can set up trade offers involving Joe-loonies.

Hopefully since Joe is a hub for all those other issuers of loonies he can get away with only having to set up one trust-line for loonies, trusting Joe for them; Joe can be his gateway in and out of loonieville hopefully so that he does not need to separately trust each and every one of all those other guys who issue "loonies". Afterall he knows Joe trusts them, so he can let Joe field all the loonies business for him.

So they all go to lunch. This time it turns out to be Tom's turn to cover the bill.

So everyone else needs to send Tom some kind of IOU that he'll accept.

Joe, of course, can send back to Tom Tom's own loonies, if he has enough to cover his share of today's bill.

Tom decides to trust Dick and Harry for "loonies", just like Joe did last time. They are thus able to issue loonies to him.

Ah but Vlad, Vlad. This is when he makes his IXC pitch...

...

"Sorry but I am not really into the idea of issuing loonies," he says, "so how about either you trust me for IXC, or maybe Joe will trust me for IXC and I'll trade him some IXC IOUs for some loonies IOUs he issues himself?

I should point out though Joe that it can be a very useful practice to use a second account when you issue things, so you can issue them to yourself.

If you create a second account, and have that new account trust your current account for loonies, you will then be able to have that new account make buy and sell offers, offering to sell Dick-loonies for Joe-loonies and to sell Harry-loonies for Joe-loonies. Heck, set up an offer to sell Tom-loonies for Joe-loonies too while you're at it.

Now if you actually issue yourself - your new account - some Joe-loonies, you will have a Joe-loonies balance so that you can offer to buy Tom-loonies, Dick-loonies and Harry-loonies using Joe-loonies.

Presto, you are now a conversion hub!

Anyone whose client supports "pathfinding" conversion between IOUs (or maybe they call them currencies, or tokens, whatever) should hopefully be able to ask to convert any of those kinds of loonies into any other of those kinds of loonies and the "pathfinder" will find the cheapest path to go from one to the other.

Unfortunately some clients might only do pathfinding through things that have "reasonable" volume and spread, but oh well what can I say, some clients are broken compared to the original vision of how this stuff was meant to work.

Now if Joe will set up an offer to buy IXC for Joe-loonies, any time any of you guys wants me to send you any of your various types of loonies I should be able to tell my client I want to send one of your various kinds of loonies and a path should be found whereby my IXC goes through however many people in-between as it takes to end up with the loonies you trust getting to you. That is how it is supposed to work, anyway.

If these puny little phone-apps can't handle that, then at least hopefully I can sell Joe enough IXC to have him send Tom my share of the bill in some flavour of loonies that he trusts?

Oh and by the way, Tom, if I can convince Joe to sell me some Joe-loonies for my Vlad-IXC, I'll be able to buy Vlad-IXC using Joe-loonies in the future so if anyone sends you any Vlad-IXC you can sell them to me for Joe-loonies, so I suggest you set up to trust Joe-loonies even though today he had enough other kinds of loonies to pay his share of the bill thus you didn't have to set up to trust his own-issued loonies..."

...

Complicated? Nahhh... Wink

-MarkM-


Complicated?  Nah, just next level Sophisticated financial instruments that can spread like wildfire if ease of use is
there.  Someone with enough coins/tokens can literally function like a bank.  And no need to move go NY.  Grin
legendary
Activity: 2940
Merit: 1090
OK so lets continue that story.

Tom, Dick and Harry now each owe Joe some so-called loonies, because they "issued" them to him. Which is to say, he has a bunch of IOUs, or as some call them, tokens, called loonies, a bunch of different loonies in that each of those loonie-IOUs is from a particular "issuer" of loonie-IOUs.

Now Joe, as far as we know so far, is not yet an "issuer" of so called "loonies" himself yet.

So, thinking about inviting Vlad to the group's next get-together and knowing that Vlad likes to use so called IXC, Joe tells his account to trust Vlad for some number of IXC then sets up buy offers pairing Vlad-IXC against Tom-loonies, Dick-loonies and Harry-loonies, since those are what he currently has on hand.

Along comes Vlad. He is going to go to lunch with those guys at their local watering-hole. He has heard the story so he knows those guys use so-called loonies, and he also knows that Joe trusts Tom's loonies and also Dick's loonies and also Harry's loonies.

Vlad decides he might as well introduce those guys to IXCoin.

So Vlad, knowing that Joe is a "hub" for loonies in that crowd, finds out Joe's account and tells his to trust it for "loonies".

Heh heh see what he did there? He made Joe, too, into an "issuer" of loonies!

Now that he trusts Joe-loonies, he can set up trade offers involving Joe-loonies.

Hopefully since Joe is a hub for all those other issuers of loonies Vlad can get away with only having to set up one trust-line for loonies, trusting Joe for them; Joe can be his gateway in and out of loonieville hopefully so that he does not need to separately trust each and every one of all those other guys who issue "loonies". Afterall he knows Joe trusts them, so he can let Joe field all the loonies business for him.

So they all go to lunch. This time it turns out to be Tom's turn to cover the bill.

So everyone else needs to send Tom some kind of IOU that he'll accept.

Joe, of course, can send back to Tom Tom's own loonies, if he has enough to cover his share of today's bill.

Tom decides to trust Dick and Harry for "loonies", just like Joe did last time. They are thus able to issue loonies to him.

Ah but Vlad, Vlad. This is when he makes his IXC pitch...

...

"Sorry but I am not really into the idea of issuing loonies," he says, "so how about either you trust me for IXC, or maybe Joe will trust me for IXC and I'll trade him some IXC IOUs for some loonies IOUs he issues himself?

I should point out though Joe that it can be a very useful practice to use a second account when you issue things, so you can issue them to yourself.

If you create a second account, and have that new account trust your current account for loonies, you will then be able to have that new account make buy and sell offers, offering to sell Dick-loonies for Joe-loonies and to sell Harry-loonies for Joe-loonies. Heck, set up an offer to sell Tom-loonies for Joe-loonies too while you're at it.

Now if you actually issue yourself - your new account - some Joe-loonies, you will have a Joe-loonies balance so that you can offer to buy Tom-loonies, Dick-loonies and Harry-loonies using Joe-loonies.

Presto, you are now a conversion hub!

Anyone whose client supports "pathfinding" conversion between IOUs (or maybe they call them currencies, or tokens, whatever) should hopefully be able to ask to convert any of those kinds of loonies into any other of those kinds of loonies and the "pathfinder" will find the cheapest path to go from one to the other.

Unfortunately some clients might only do pathfinding through things that have "reasonable" volume and spread, but oh well what can I say, some clients are broken compared to the original vision of how this stuff was meant to work.

Now if Joe will set up an offer to buy IXC for Joe-loonies, any time any of you guys wants me to send you any of your various types of loonies I should be able to tell my client I want to send one of your various kinds of loonies and a path should be found whereby my IXC goes through however many people in-between as it takes to end up with the loonies you trust getting to you. That is how it is supposed to work, anyway.

If these puny little phone-apps can't handle that, then at least hopefully I can sell Joe enough IXC to have him send Tom my share of the bill in some flavour of loonies that Tom trusts?

Oh and by the way, Tom, if I can convince Joe to sell me some Joe-loonies for my Vlad-IXC, I'll be able to buy Vlad-IXC using Joe-loonies in the future so if anyone sends you any Vlad-IXC you can sell them to me for Joe-loonies, so I suggest you set up to trust Joe-loonies even though today he had enough other kinds of loonies to pay his share of the bill thus you didn't have to set up to trust his own-issued loonies..."

...

Complicated? Nahhh... Wink

-MarkM-
legendary
Activity: 3052
Merit: 1530
www.ixcoin.net

Yikes!!!  Well, i try to remove my corn and do underground super cold storage.  Grin

That said, when do you think there’s gonna Be an easy app for regular Joe to use stellar and horizon?  


If you do not leave at least the buy-side coin on the exchange though, then all the reporting sites and such are going to say your coin is worthless, because they do not see a strong buy-side; most of them seem to show the highest buy offer, not the last actual trade that happened maybe weeks or months ago, as the current price/value I think?

I suspect that for an easy app, the app has to basically point users at specific assets.

For example there are very likely Stellar apps that are extremely easy to use to send and receive XLM, Stellar Lumens, Stellar's native currency.

Desktop and web-based apps I have seen also tend to list some trusted token-issuers and/or some trusted tokens, based on what the app creators trust; though probably if they are not themselves those issuers likely they have fine-print of some kind warning that they do not legally actually recommend those things, certainly not as "investments", and their lists should not be mistaken for "investment advice" and so on.

So maybe you just need to get an app-developer to make an app that does not confuse users by admitting any tokens other than yours exist, and maybe doesn't even bother providing them with the option of trusting any others but yours, even maybe requiring an update of the app to make any more tokens you later want to add become accessible to them.

Any off the shelf app that does allow the user to decide what account to trust for what label/ticker/token/asset/coin though is just as simple to use for our tokens as for any other tokens that the app it not basically "pushing", although the more volume of trade a token has, and the less the gap ("spread") between its lowest sell offer and its highest buy offer, the more likely it is that users will be able to "discover" the token by searching, since some only show in searches "reasonably high-use low-spread" tokens, rquiring the user to already know of a token+issuer pair to specify if that particular token from that particular issuer does not meet the criteria for discovering it by searching for it.

Given that you know the issuing account and label of the asset you want to work with though, which in my case you can discover by browsing http://makemoney.knotwork.com/ , there are several clients that work just fine.

So I think more important than ease of use of clients is ease of discovery that our tokens even exist and what account issues them. Given that, I do not think which client someone uses is much of a problem, other than clients that do not allow users to specify the label and issuer to use and/or do not give access to markets. (The Stellar wallet built into Keybase does not seem to do either; if you have set up trust lines for an account it can receive and send the assets the account does trust, but you cannot add arbitrary trust-lines as far as I can tell and does not seem to provide access to trading, just to sending and receiving.)

Bear in mind that the original concept behind Ripple and thus Stellar, before Ripple Corp bought the name Ripple and the concept from its original developer, was that a bunch of average Joes sitting around drinking beer or having lunch can say "who brought cash or card to pay the bill?" and one of them can say "oh thats me today, here, I'll tell my app to trust each of you for, uh, what do we want to measure this in? Should I trust each of you for some number of meals? Or some number of beers? Or shall we track it in dollars? Oh heck lets just call it loonies being as how we are in Canada, eh? Each of you tell me your account and I'll trust it for oh lets say one hundred loonies. OK, done, now when you go to send me something it should tell you that one of the possibly many things I accept is called loonies. See it there in your apps? OK, now what your app is probably not telling you is that you are an issuer of those loonies! You can each send me up to 100 of them even though your balances do not show you have any of them, and very likely your app is not even telling you that you are able to issue them and maybe also not how many of them my account is willing to accept from you. So anyway, divvy up the bill and send me your share in these so-called loonies that you have magically gained the ability to issue due to my having chosen to trust each of you for some of them..."

-MarkM-


Thanks for all that.  You’re one guy I’ve always liked from day one.  Glad we have someone like you who sees the potential of old merge mined coins.  Smiley

legendary
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Yikes!!!  Well, i try to remove my corn and do underground super cold storage.  Grin

That said, when do you think there’s gonna Be an easy app for regular Joe to use stellar and horizon?  


If you do not leave at least the buy-side coin on the exchange though, then all the reporting sites and such are going to say your coin is worthless, because they do not see a strong buy-side; most of them seem to show the highest buy offer, not the last actual trade that happened maybe weeks or months ago, as the current price/value I think?

I suspect that for an easy app, the app has to basically point users at specific assets.

For example there are very likely Stellar apps that are extremely easy to use to send and receive XLM, Stellar Lumens, Stellar's native currency.

Desktop and web-based apps I have seen also tend to list some trusted token-issuers and/or some trusted tokens, based on what the app creators trust; though probably if they are not themselves those issuers likely they have fine-print of some kind warning that they do not legally actually recommend those things, certainly not as "investments", and their lists should not be mistaken for "investment advice" and so on.

So maybe you just need to get an app-developer to make an app that does not confuse users by admitting any tokens other than yours exist, and maybe doesn't even bother providing them with the option of trusting any others but yours, even maybe requiring an update of the app to make any more tokens you later want to add become accessible to them.

Any off the shelf app that does allow the user to decide what account to trust for what label/ticker/token/asset/coin though is just as simple to use for our tokens as for any other tokens that the app it not basically "pushing", although the more volume of trade a token has, and the less the gap ("spread") between its lowest sell offer and its highest buy offer, the more likely it is that users will be able to "discover" the token by searching, since some only show in searches "reasonably high-use low-spread" tokens, requiring the user to already know of a token+issuer pair to specify if that particular token from that particular issuer does not meet the criteria for discovering it by searching for it.

Given that you know the issuing account and label of the asset you want to work with though, which in my case you can discover by browsing http://makemoney.knotwork.com/ , there are several clients that work just fine.

So I think more important than ease of use of clients is ease of discovery that our tokens even exist and what account issues them. Given that, I do not think which client someone uses is much of a problem, other than clients that do not allow users to specify the label and issuer to use and/or do not give access to markets. (The Stellar wallet built into Keybase does not seem to do either; if you have set up trust lines for an account it can receive and send the assets the account does trust, but you cannot add arbitrary trust-lines as far as I can tell and does not seem to provide access to trading, just to sending and receiving.)

Bear in mind that the original concept behind Ripple and thus Stellar, before Ripple Corp bought the name Ripple and the concept from its original developer, was that a bunch of average Joes sitting around drinking beer or having lunch can say "who brought cash or card to pay the bill?" and one of them can say "oh thats me today, here, I'll tell my app to trust each of you for, uh, what do we want to measure this in? Should I trust each of you for some number of meals? Or some number of beers? Or shall we track it in dollars? Oh heck lets just call it loonies being as how we are in Canada, eh? Each of you tell me your account and I'll trust it for oh lets say one hundred loonies. OK, done, now when you go to send me something it should tell you that one of the possibly many things I accept is called loonies. See it there in your apps? OK, now what your app is probably not telling you is that you are an issuer of those loonies! You can each send me up to 100 of them even though your balances do not show you have any of them, and very likely your app is not even telling you that you are able to issue them and maybe also not how many of them my account is willing to accept from you. So anyway, divvy up the bill and send me your share in these so-called loonies that you have magically gained the ability to issue due to my having chosen to trust each of you for some of them..."

-MarkM-
legendary
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But that would mean exchanging my ixc coins for ixc tokens.  Not a good deal for me.  And until stellar and horizon become user friendly I doubt many people will go for it.  I got my corn buried deep and wide so not too worried unless the feds want them, but then again, they print and steal trillions with no questions asked so buying what they want is trivial. 


You do realise that unless there is some kind of "atomic swap between blockchains" app that supports the IXCoin blockchain and some other blockchain you want to trade against, you always ARE exchanging your IXC coins for at best IXC tokens and at normal mere database entries in an undistributed database at the exchange's site or server?

That is to say, on normal exchanges when you deposit IXCoins they usually do not even give you IXC tokens to play with, all you usually get is a "balance" recorded in a MySQL or PostGres or whatever kind of database they use to record customer info and balances.

So if tokens are not a good deal for you presumably mere database entries are a far worse deal?

-MarkM-



Yikes!!!  Well, i try to remove my corn and do underground super cold storage.  Grin

That said, when do you think there’s gonna Be an easy app for regular Joe to use stellar and horizon? 
legendary
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But that would mean exchanging my ixc coins for ixc tokens.  Not a good deal for me.  And until stellar and horizon become user friendly I doubt many people will go for it.  I got my corn buried deep and wide so not too worried unless the feds want them, but then again, they print and steal trillions with no questions asked so buying what they want is trivial. 


You do realise that unless there is some kind of "atomic swap between blockchains" app that supports the IXCoin blockchain and some other blockchain you want to trade against, you always ARE exchanging your IXC coins for at best IXC tokens and at normal mere database entries in an undistributed database at the exchange's site or server?

That is to say, on normal exchanges when you deposit IXCoins they usually do not even give you IXC tokens to play with, all you usually get is a "balance" recorded in a MySQL or PostGres or whatever kind of database they use to record customer info and balances.

So if tokens are not a good deal for you presumably mere database entries are a far worse deal?

-MarkM-

legendary
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Mark, is that you still market making on exchanges?  Man you’re a patient resilient guy.  Much appreciated.  So I hope it was you who caught most of that 50k I dumped at market down to 1 penny last month and not some pump and dumper. 



I caught your 50k stack quicker than a wombat catches covid and am just waiting for my moment to poop it all over your moon parade  Grin Grin

Hahaha.  So glad to hear it was somebody here.  Better than merits as long as you have time to dump before me.   Grin
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Mark, is that you still market making on exchanges?  Man you’re a patient resilient guy.  Much appreciated.  So I hope it was you who caught most of that 50k I dumped at market down to 1 penny last month and not some pump and dumper. 



I caught your 50k stack quicker than a wombat catches covid and am just waiting for my moment to poop it all over your moon parade  Grin Grin
legendary
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I wonder how much they would pay for each IXC...


Divide the value shown for each other item into the value shown for IXCrate to find the value of IXC in terms of that other thing.

Note though of course that things that do not have a "treasury" to calculate their value from, but instead find their value by volume-averaging the prices on a bunch of "exchanges", cannot be relied upon to still be worth the same amount as they were back when the Latest Rates were last uploaded, and also of course that different nations / currencies / Corps / players / etc have different things in their purses or Slush Funds or whatever with which to buy stuff; and quite likely many will prefer to use their own currency such as if you want to sell to the Brits they are likely to want to pay you with United Kingdom Britcoin (UKB), General Mining Corp would probably assume they'd be buying with GMC, the Canucks would likely tend to use Canadian Digital Notes (CDN) and so on; also of course those that have their currency on a normal web-based "exchange" such as you are likely used to, will probably already have committed all that they have of whatever it is paired against into building a buy-side there for their coin, assuming they even bother about such "exchanges" instead of simply placing their offers on the HORIZON or even the Stellar platform...

Currently on Stellar hardly any of these coins have sold much against XLM yet, so hardly any of them have managed to build up their XLM buy-sides.

Very few of the coins are on versus-BTC exchanges currently, you presumably already know about DVC, IXC and I0C on FreiExchange, you can see there that so far the amount of bitcoin that has so far been spent there to  buy them has not so far been enough to build up theier buy-sides to the Latest Rates values yet.

As has been demonstrated repeatedly in the past though it is just a matter of time to get them built up more, and unfortunately historically it seems likely it is also just a matter of time before the exchange runs off with both sides of the pair, possibly claiming it was hacked... So who knows how might we will manage to build them this time around before the coins all go "poof"...

The nice thing about Stellar is we can build our buy-sides there wih XLM and there is no "third party" that can fly by night with our XLM. So at least one side of those pairs is secure as long as the Stellar platform itself, and whatever client we use to acces it, is secure. For me, both sides are secure in the cases where I am the issuer of the token side of such a pair.

-MarkM-


But that would mean exchanging my ixc coins for ixc tokens.  Not a good deal for me.  And until stellar and horizon become user friendly I doubt many people will go for it.  I got my corn buried deep and wide so not too worried unless the feds want them, but then again, they print and steal trillions with no questions asked so buying what they want is trivial. 





Mark, is that you still market making on exchanges?  Man you’re a patient resilient guy.  Much appreciated.  So I hope it was you who caught most of that 50k I dumped at market down to 1 penny last month and not some pump and dumper. 



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