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legendary
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Hi,
I would like to be able to close margin position in the order I desire, do you plan to implement such an option ?
Thank you for your answer.

We may offer this at some point, but not anytime soon. Mathematically the order you close in doesn't really matter, but we understand that psychologically it can make a difference and that shouldn't be discounted.
legendary
Activity: 1820
Merit: 1000
Are API traders first class citizens, other than a technical millisecond-range advantage? Do Dark Pool traders have special bandwidth benefits?

BitFinex went through a similar episode, and they responsibly halted the trading engine. They gave the chance to their customer base to act accordingly. They gave a specific time and warning to re-engage the engine. They acknowledged their service problem and provided a window of opportunity for their customers to protect themselves.

There seems to be a misunderstanding about what happened on June 17th (incident report here: https://status.kraken.com/incidents/t4gc3kfd100m) that I want to clear up. It's not true that all API users had reliable access while all website UI users were universally locked out. It may be true that API users on average had more reliable access, but many API users had trouble accessing the site during this time and many website users were able to access.

The incident was also different from what happened to BitFinex (reported here https://bitfinex.statuspage.io/incidents/k4mq3gsn5c3v and here https://bitfinex.statuspage.io/incidents/hy64vfbk9r18). Bitfinex had some kind of internal network instability that was affecting the trade engine. If the trade engine was affected then presumably everyone may have been at risk of having their orders not execute correctly. In that case pausing trading seems like the right thing to do and Bitfinex handled it very well.

For the Kraken incident on the 17th, there were of course a significant number of clients who had trouble accessing the site, but we have no way of knowing exactly how many, and many clients were able to access and use the site OK. It's not clear to me that halting trading is the right thing to do every time a significant but unknown number of clients cannot access the site. I understand that it seems unfair whenever some cannot access the site while others can, but that doesn't mean that blocking access for everyone is the solution. Since Kraken isn't the only exchange, the markets will move without us and from that standpoint blocking access for everyone only creates a problem for a greater number.   
HPt
member
Activity: 70
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What is the reason for fiat currencies, such as CAD or GBP, not being eligible as collateral?
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SmileyGnome
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Reward Curve
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Trust Keys
Lower Level Protocol
Lower Level Databases
Merkle Chains, Reversible Transactions and Cube Satellites broadcasting the blockchain to earth from space.

Nexus Earth - Crypto = Bitcoin Cube Satellites

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legendary
Activity: 1092
Merit: 1000

Were your issues resolved Ghost? Dont tell me.......now a NDA matter?  Lips sealed
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I presented my case and it is still under revision. I am expecting a reply. An NDA would be no problem at all on my behalf of course.
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Well, i hope any wrongs are righted. Give us an update if/when you can.

 Thank you for your kind words. I've only asked for a fair consideration by their part.

 Once again, I assume full responsibility from wrong choices, like not setting stops and then complaining after the fact. This was not the case. I was logged on to the website trying desperately to close my positions but the website was completely unresponsive.

 I wish to profit nothing from this of course. At the time if I closed all my position I would still be at loss. Such is the risk/reward game. You win some, you lose some.

 But to trust your funds to a service that at any given time can just crap out and allege there is nothing that can be done, and the userbase sustain losses in detriment to their gains, is not entirely transparent.

 If it had happened while I was asleep... sure, it would be my fault. Absolutely not case there.

 I was logged on before the major dump. Kept trying to close repeatedly during the whole episode, for more than an hour. I was logged on to Kraken, but the service was unresponsive. And during all this time, the books were rolling. -> This is the major issue here, and what made things really wrong.

Are API traders first class citizens, other than a technical millisecond-range advantage? Do Dark Pool traders have special bandwidth benefits?

 BitFinex went through a similar episode, and they responsibly halted the trading engine. They gave the chance to their customer base to act accordingly. They gave a specific time and warning to re-engage the engine. They acknowledged their service problem and provided a window of opportunity for their customers to protect themselves.

 I am completely confident we will find a friendly resolve. I wish not to gain from this of course, just not sustain this massive loss.

 Kraken is historically an example of a good practices company. Shit happens, I am completely sympathetic about it. I am confident good resolve will come out of this, for both parties.
legendary
Activity: 1554
Merit: 1000
Sure Kraken seems to sometimes be unreliable, however I strongly believe everything will be ok. They always end up fixing their mistakes. That's why I continue to trust Kraken.

 I do too. Still waiting for a reply from them.

 I perfectly assume losses from wrong trading decisions, but it's a hard pill to swallow to have funds there and loose money when the website refuses work. In my case, I've sustained a massive 35 bitcoin loss while logged in, desperately trying to sell, for more than one hour, but the website simply was non-operational. What bugs me double time, is that trading still continued during all this time.

  I'm confident they'll do good by their customers.
Were your issues resolved Ghost? Dont tell me.......now a NDA matter?  Lips sealed

 I presented my case and it is still under revision. I am expecting a reply. An NDA would be no problem at all on my behalf of course.
Well, i hope any wrongs are righted. Give us an update if/when you can.
legendary
Activity: 1092
Merit: 1000
Sure Kraken seems to sometimes be unreliable, however I strongly believe everything will be ok. They always end up fixing their mistakes. That's why I continue to trust Kraken.

 I do too. Still waiting for a reply from them.

 I perfectly assume losses from wrong trading decisions, but it's a hard pill to swallow to have funds there and loose money when the website refuses work. In my case, I've sustained a massive 35 bitcoin loss while logged in, desperately trying to sell, for more than one hour, but the website simply was non-operational. What bugs me double time, is that trading still continued during all this time.

  I'm confident they'll do good by their customers.
Were your issues resolved Ghost? Dont tell me.......now a NDA matter?  Lips sealed

 I presented my case and it is still under revision. Still expecting a reply. An NDA would be no problem at all on my behalf of course.
sr. member
Activity: 364
Merit: 250
Hi,

I have a missing deposit of over £2K into my Kraken account. I made the deposit 8 days ago.
I've raised a support ticket (#119352) but had no response. Can you please escalate with your support team I really need these funds?

Thanks
hero member
Activity: 870
Merit: 585

I'm verified tier 3.  I can't make fiat deposits.
Support didn't respond to the ticket I opened.
newbie
Activity: 12
Merit: 0
Hi,
I would like to be able to close margin position in the order I desire, do you plan to implement such an option ?
Thank you for your answer.
legendary
Activity: 1554
Merit: 1000
Sure Kraken seems to sometimes be unreliable, however I strongly believe everything will be ok. They always end up fixing their mistakes. That's why I continue to trust Kraken.

 I do too. Still waiting for a reply from them.

 I perfectly assume losses from wrong trading decisions, but it's a hard pill to swallow to have funds there and loose money when the website refuses work. In my case, I've sustained a massive 35 bitcoin loss while logged in, desperately trying to sell, for more than one hour, but the website simply was non-operational. What bugs me double time, is that trading still continued during all this time.

  I'm confident they'll do good by their customers.
Were your issues resolved Ghost? Dont tell me.......now a NDA matter?  Lips sealed
full member
Activity: 146
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My experience with Kraken so far has been excellent.

That is all.

(drops mic)
legendary
Activity: 1820
Merit: 1000
Dargo, I just filled #115997 on issue with access to historical trades on user accounts. If you could raise the priority would be great, I believe it is quite urgent anyway.

OK, I alerted support to the ticket.
legendary
Activity: 1820
Merit: 1000
I sent $1500 to Kraken and I have done transfers before with no issues but now after sending a large amount it has not hit my account, I contact support weeks ago and have had no reply at all. I rang my bank and they can't do anything and I have no idea where to go from here... does anyone have any advice? Ticket ID is #113184

I'm sorry for the delay in responding to your support ticket, but I see an agent is helping you now and we'll try to get this resolved as quickly as we can.
full member
Activity: 175
Merit: 100
Dargo, I just filled #115997 on issue with access to historical trades on user accounts. If you could raise the priority would be great, I believe it is quite urgent anyway.
newbie
Activity: 1
Merit: 0
I sent $1500 to Kraken and I have done transfers before with no issues but now after sending a large amount it has not hit my account, I contact support weeks ago and have had no reply at all. I rang my bank and they can't do anything and I have no idea where to go from here... does anyone have any advice? Ticket ID is #113184
newbie
Activity: 4
Merit: 0
Don't know where else to post this. Kraken seems to totally ignore support requests.

I am in Australia. The Kraken bank account form asks for an IBAN number. Australia does not use IBAN. We use SWIFT. As a result I cannot add a bank account for withdrawals.

Please can someone fro Kraken tell me what to do?

Thanks

Actually, the EU SEPA and the Australian NPP are "built" on top of SWIFT.
All you need Is the SWIFT/BIC code, which you can find here:
http://www.theswiftcodes.com/australia/
The IBAN is a combination of your banks sort code, BSB and your account number, your bank should provide that.

Unless you want to withdraw 10k+ this is going to be extremely expensive, with Swift, intermediatary and finally conversion charges.

Technically speaking, yes.

Practically speaking. no.

The local settling banks are not equipped to process inward payments into Australia on an IBAN.

I have tried this in the past (with two local banks) and it is not advisable.

The Australian banking system is set up to use a SWIFT code and a bank account number. It is not equipped to deconstruct an IBAN.



newbie
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Merit: 0
Hi all,

I'm new to margin trading. I'd like to contrast my calculus to make sure I understand how it works.

Let's assume I have the following money: 1000€
Margin call level: 80%
Rolling fee calculus: 0.01%/4 hours * 24 hours/day * 30 days/month = 1.8% fee/month = 21.6% fee/year

If spend 3000€ using the 5:1 margin, 600€ of my account would be used to buy the position and the remaining 400€ will still be in €. If I buy at price of 600€/BTC, then I'd get 5BTC. So now I have 5BTC and 400€.
My concerns are about margin call level, because if bitcoin price falls and I don't add more money, the position will be automatically closed (liquidated).
To calculate the bitcoin's price at which the margin call level is reached, I've used the following formula, being X the percentage of bitcoin price drop:
(3000 * X) + 400 = 3000 * 0.8 -> X = 0.66
Then I multiply bitcoin's price when buying: 600 * 0.66 = 396€

Assuming after a month, the BTC price has moved to 395€ (or anywhere bellow 396€) the position will be closed automatically and I will lose all of my money, right? Furthermore, I should pay the rolling fee, which would be 600*1.8% = 10.8€. Is this fee also taken into account when calculating bitcoin's price at which the margin call level is reached?

I hope this also helps other users understand how margin trading works!

You calculated the used margin correctly, but I'm not following the rest of it.

If you open a 3000 EUR long position at 5:1 leverage, the margin used to open the position will be 1/5 of the amount, so 600 EUR (as you say).

Margin level = equity ÷ used margin

When you first open the position, ignoring fees and changes in market price, your margin level would be 1000/600 = 167%

The margin call level is 80% - at this level we send you an email asking you to either close part of your position or add funds to your account in order increase your margin level. Position liquidation is possible at this level at our discretion, but it's not something we'd generally do except in very unusual circumstances. The liquidation level is 40%, which is the level at which positions are automatically liquidated (these % levels, BTW, can change and can be different for different pairs - you can check our fees page for the most up to date information on the margin and liquidation levels for any pair: https://www.kraken.com/help/fees.)

How much could your position lose before margin call (ignoring fees)?

(1000 - X)/600 = 80% ---> X = 520 EUR

How much of a drop in price would this correspond to?

3000*X = 520 ---> X = 17.3% (then if price was at 600 EUR when you opened the position, margin call would be at 496.2 EUR)

How much could your position lose before liquidation (ignoring fees)?

(1000 - X)/600 = 40% ---> X = 760 EUR

How much of a drop in price would this correspond to?

3000*X = 760 ---> X = 25.3% (then if price was at 600 EUR when you opened the position, liquidation would be at 448.2 EUR)

I've ignored trade fees and rollover fees above, but these do matter because they reduce your account equity.

If you haven't done so already, I highly recommend that you read our trading guide, especially the section on margin trading where all of this is explained:

https://support.kraken.com/hc/sections/200560633-Leverage-and-Margin

Hope this helps!



Thank you for your precise and quick answer! It helped me a lot and now the numbers make sense  Cheesy. I had already read the trading guide but couldn't find any example.

To be clear... All the charged fees are only applied to the margin (600€) used and not to the position (3000€), right?

Glad it helped - all the fees would apply to the full amount of the position (3000 EUR). A margin position is just a spot trade executed through an advance financed by Kraken, so you pay the trade fees on the spot trade and you pay the rollover fees on the advance, which is the full amount of the position. The 600 EUR is not what you are advanced but rather the amount set aside in your account as a kind of "collateral" for the position (so this amount would not be available for making more orders).

Thank you once again Dargo  Smiley
legendary
Activity: 1820
Merit: 1000
Hi all,

I'm new to margin trading. I'd like to contrast my calculus to make sure I understand how it works.

Let's assume I have the following money: 1000€
Margin call level: 80%
Rolling fee calculus: 0.01%/4 hours * 24 hours/day * 30 days/month = 1.8% fee/month = 21.6% fee/year

If spend 3000€ using the 5:1 margin, 600€ of my account would be used to buy the position and the remaining 400€ will still be in €. If I buy at price of 600€/BTC, then I'd get 5BTC. So now I have 5BTC and 400€.
My concerns are about margin call level, because if bitcoin price falls and I don't add more money, the position will be automatically closed (liquidated).
To calculate the bitcoin's price at which the margin call level is reached, I've used the following formula, being X the percentage of bitcoin price drop:
(3000 * X) + 400 = 3000 * 0.8 -> X = 0.66
Then I multiply bitcoin's price when buying: 600 * 0.66 = 396€

Assuming after a month, the BTC price has moved to 395€ (or anywhere bellow 396€) the position will be closed automatically and I will lose all of my money, right? Furthermore, I should pay the rolling fee, which would be 600*1.8% = 10.8€. Is this fee also taken into account when calculating bitcoin's price at which the margin call level is reached?

I hope this also helps other users understand how margin trading works!

You calculated the used margin correctly, but I'm not following the rest of it.

If you open a 3000 EUR long position at 5:1 leverage, the margin used to open the position will be 1/5 of the amount, so 600 EUR (as you say).

Margin level = equity ÷ used margin

When you first open the position, ignoring fees and changes in market price, your margin level would be 1000/600 = 167%

The margin call level is 80% - at this level we send you an email asking you to either close part of your position or add funds to your account in order increase your margin level. Position liquidation is possible at this level at our discretion, but it's not something we'd generally do except in very unusual circumstances. The liquidation level is 40%, which is the level at which positions are automatically liquidated (these % levels, BTW, can change and can be different for different pairs - you can check our fees page for the most up to date information on the margin and liquidation levels for any pair: https://www.kraken.com/help/fees.)

How much could your position lose before margin call (ignoring fees)?

(1000 - X)/600 = 80% ---> X = 520 EUR

How much of a drop in price would this correspond to?

3000*X = 520 ---> X = 17.3% (then if price was at 600 EUR when you opened the position, margin call would be at 496.2 EUR)

How much could your position lose before liquidation (ignoring fees)?

(1000 - X)/600 = 40% ---> X = 760 EUR

How much of a drop in price would this correspond to?

3000*X = 760 ---> X = 25.3% (then if price was at 600 EUR when you opened the position, liquidation would be at 448.2 EUR)

I've ignored trade fees and rollover fees above, but these do matter because they reduce your account equity.

If you haven't done so already, I highly recommend that you read our trading guide, especially the section on margin trading where all of this is explained:

https://support.kraken.com/hc/sections/200560633-Leverage-and-Margin

Hope this helps!



Thank you for your precise and quick answer! It helped me a lot and now the numbers make sense  Cheesy. I had already read the trading guide but couldn't find any example.

To be clear... All the charged fees are only applied to the margin (600€) used and not to the position (3000€), right?

Glad it helped - all the fees would apply to the full amount of the position (3000 EUR). A margin position is just a spot trade executed through an advance financed by Kraken, so you pay the trade fees on the spot trade and you pay the rollover fees on the advance, which is the full amount of the position. The 600 EUR is not what you are advanced but rather the amount set aside in your account as a kind of "collateral" for the position (so this amount would not be available for making more orders).
newbie
Activity: 3
Merit: 0
Hi all,

I'm new to margin trading. I'd like to contrast my calculus to make sure I understand how it works.

Let's assume I have the following money: 1000€
Margin call level: 80%
Rolling fee calculus: 0.01%/4 hours * 24 hours/day * 30 days/month = 1.8% fee/month = 21.6% fee/year

If spend 3000€ using the 5:1 margin, 600€ of my account would be used to buy the position and the remaining 400€ will still be in €. If I buy at price of 600€/BTC, then I'd get 5BTC. So now I have 5BTC and 400€.
My concerns are about margin call level, because if bitcoin price falls and I don't add more money, the position will be automatically closed (liquidated).
To calculate the bitcoin's price at which the margin call level is reached, I've used the following formula, being X the percentage of bitcoin price drop:
(3000 * X) + 400 = 3000 * 0.8 -> X = 0.66
Then I multiply bitcoin's price when buying: 600 * 0.66 = 396€

Assuming after a month, the BTC price has moved to 395€ (or anywhere bellow 396€) the position will be closed automatically and I will lose all of my money, right? Furthermore, I should pay the rolling fee, which would be 600*1.8% = 10.8€. Is this fee also taken into account when calculating bitcoin's price at which the margin call level is reached?

I hope this also helps other users understand how margin trading works!

You calculated the used margin correctly, but I'm not following the rest of it.

If you open a 3000 EUR long position at 5:1 leverage, the margin used to open the position will be 1/5 of the amount, so 600 EUR (as you say).

Margin level = equity ÷ used margin

When you first open the position, ignoring fees and changes in market price, your margin level would be 1000/600 = 167%

The margin call level is 80% - at this level we send you an email asking you to either close part of your position or add funds to your account in order increase your margin level. Position liquidation is possible at this level at our discretion, but it's not something we'd generally do except in very unusual circumstances. The liquidation level is 40%, which is the level at which positions are automatically liquidated (these % levels, BTW, can change and can be different for different pairs - you can check our fees page for the most up to date information on the margin and liquidation levels for any pair: https://www.kraken.com/help/fees.)

How much could your position lose before margin call (ignoring fees)?

(1000 - X)/600 = 80% ---> X = 520 EUR

How much of a drop in price would this correspond to?

3000*X = 520 ---> X = 17.3% (then if price was at 600 EUR when you opened the position, margin call would be at 496.2 EUR)

How much could your position lose before liquidation (ignoring fees)?

(1000 - X)/600 = 40% ---> X = 760 EUR

How much of a drop in price would this correspond to?

3000*X = 760 ---> X = 25.3% (then if price was at 600 EUR when you opened the position, liquidation would be at 448.2 EUR)

I've ignored trade fees and rollover fees above, but these do matter because they reduce your account equity.

If you haven't done so already, I highly recommend that you read our trading guide, especially the section on margin trading where all of this is explained:

https://support.kraken.com/hc/sections/200560633-Leverage-and-Margin

Hope this helps!



Thank you for your precise and quick answer! It helped me a lot and now the numbers make sense  Cheesy. I had already read the trading guide but couldn't find any example.

To be clear... All the charged fees are only applied to the margin (600€) used and not to the position (3000€), right?
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