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legendary
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ICO? Not even once.
Let’s look at a simple machine: AMD core, 8Gbyte of DDR3 memory, SSD, 5 Radeon GPU (R290x), two Enermax 1200W power supply etc.; that will cost us around £2000. Say we want to earn this back in two years and look at energy costs per watt that we need to mine LEOcoin. Before the recent nFactor-update we calculated that any price below 1,25£ would not cover your costs, unless you are using older hardware or very cheap energy. So, is LEOcoin with it’s current price of around 12 pence undervalued? You can answer that yourself.

Nobody owning mining rigs with half a brain is still mining LEO for a long while now. And I have to say that any miner with a ROI well over a year is doing something terribly wrong.

Anyway, I got no answer so I take it as a reinforcement of my skepticism and so I won't be commenting here because it's entirely pointless at this point.
legendary
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Dear arielbit, you really need to get your facts straight. There is no LEOcoin MLM, only in your head. There is also no LEOcoin people, LEOcoin company, but simply a CC called LEOcoin. As representing the LEOcoin Foundation, I do indeed regard third parties as third parties and can as such not speak for them, regardless of how many images and concepts you mix up.

When a company, or a programmer, or an anonymous group or person creates a CC, they will necessarily have to be involved with this CC, that is normal and nothing to be worried about. Just relax and try for once to utter self referentially consistent statements.

this is a damming statement...

took a few days before you utter the word MLM...

what about these?

youtube video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwLnxWQGsNk



LEO Philippines soft launch?....What are they launching?....and they have an office  Grin

what's inside the leocoin bags?....the people who are holding them? they don't look like the typical nerdy geeky miners hahaha...MLM leocoin people?  Grin



and your dear leocoin founders are there  Grin   .....your founders are "third party" now LOL  Grin


you are denying company and MLM...this is really a damming statement  Grin
hero member
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Dear arielbit, you really need to get your facts straight. There is no LEOcoin MLM, only in your head. There is also no LEOcoin people, LEOcoin company, but simply a CC called LEOcoin. As representing the LEOcoin Foundation, I do indeed regard third parties as third parties and can as such not speak for them, regardless of how many images and concepts you mix up.

When a company, or a programmer, or an anonymous group or person creates a CC, they will necessarily have to be involved with this CC, that is normal and nothing to be worried about. Just relax and try for once to utter self referentially consistent statements.
legendary
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@all
Two short remarks at the end of the week.

re: freedom of expression
For certain, if you start with a new cryptocoin it is to be expected to meet with scepticism, doubt and all kind of remarks that form a mixture of rumours and half-truths. We have our own infamous and unofficial LEOcoin troll making extra hours, up to the extend that one might ask on whose pay-roll he could be. But that aside. It is good to have a forum where we can speak our mind, after all cryptocurrency has to do with benefits and improvement, e.g. like decentralization, development of payment solution that offer benefits to its users, because transactions are e.g. faster, cheaper or more private. LEOcoin just aspires to be one of those coins that will help to change - and hopefully also improve - the world of financial transactions, for both entrepreneurs and consumers alike.

As such, the LEOcoin Foundation started this thread to inform. We do not have to justify for behaviour of third parties, nor for how a cryptocurrency exchange works. As previously written, we are now gathering information that we can share with the readers of this forum; so it will be better understood where LEOcoin is all about. I accept critical remarks, and I think we should be critical, but also fair, so anyone can make a sound decision to participate in the LEOcoin project, or not.

Re: price of LEOcoin
Wishing a price or proposing a price for LEOcoin is tricky. What I have found to be a good indication in the past is the cost of mining a LEOcoin with a classical mining RIG.

Let’s look at a simple machine: AMD core, 8Gbyte of DDR3 memory, SSD, 5 Radeon GPU (R290x), two Enermax 1200W power supply etc.; that will cost us around £2000. Say we want to earn this back in two years and look at energy costs per watt that we need to mine LEOcoin. Before the recent nFactor-update we calculated that any price below 1,25£ would not cover your costs, unless you are using older hardware or very cheap energy. So, is LEOcoin with it’s current price of around 12 pence undervalued? You can answer that yourself.

What however counts, is not simply a calculation, but also the potential of LEOcoin and even more important the expectations that the owners of LEOcoins have. Those who have been mining from the start will have paid much less as with lower nfactors you will have gotten more LEOcoins for your hashes, but likely even for them the current prices are not encouraging, yet regarding the number of LEOcoins that have been traded on the LEOxChange, it would be strange to speak about dumping, as the majority of the LEOcoins are simply held and not sold. For me this shows, that there may indeed be a good and solid support for the LEOcoin and the next few months will have to show if that is justified or not.

(and please give me some time, so I can go into some of your questions in more detail and provide you with proper answers)


so you are calling leocoin MLM third party? the leocoin foundation and founders dan anderson and katif kamran have nothing to do with it?

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Let’s look at a simple machine: AMD core, 8Gbyte of DDR3 memory, SSD, 5 Radeon GPU (R290x), two Enermax 1200W power supply etc.; that will cost us around £2000. Say we want to earn this back in two years and look at energy costs per watt that we need to mine LEOcoin. Before the recent nFactor-update we calculated that any price below 1,25£ would not cover your costs, unless you are using older hardware or very cheap energy. So, is LEOcoin with it’s current price of around 12 pence undervalued? You can answer that yourself.

OR people could just buy the coin....BUT where is the innovation?roadmaps?developments?....NONE! haha

WORST INVESTMENT EVER!!  Grin

PS this is free not paid information I'm sharing...or trolling as you call it  Wink
full member
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Roobet
Azrael are you developer? did you make some coin? scam people and now you think all developers are scammers?
Or you just dont have nothng else clever to do and you shit on all coins here?
Noone force you to mine LEOcoin, so stop with shitting.
Anyone will make thier own oppinion about LEOcoin and your stupid, unmature comments dont help anyone. Just
make you look even bigger Troll as you are.
legendary
Activity: 3444
Merit: 1061
LEOcoin Foundation is pleased to announce that LEOcoin can now be traded in Thailand on the Bitcon Co. Ltd exchange website: https://bx.in.th/BTC/LEO/.

Excellent news!! Can we expect more in the coming months?
Mate that is old news.

Exactly, it's traded there for like 9 months now.


This thread is weird. I mean I'm not sure what the incentive here is announcing this coin when it's probably at the very end of its life (based on price and trade volume).
I mean if it was purely an MLM/ponzi/whatever else scamcoin then it would be pretty self defeating to post it on a forum where people are actually familiar with crypto and can point out obvious scams from miles away.

Which leaves me to believe that OP is either not familiar with bitcointalk's strong skepticism and brutal honesty or even how quickly the landscape of crypto changes or he's convinced that LEO will make a comeback (price- and popularity-wise) for watever reason.
With that said, I agree with pretty much everyone's skepticism here about this coin but I also have to say that this coin is very different from the usual copy/paste coin in a sense that there's a company behind it which seem to be on point of their marketing game as far as I can see and I believe that company could potentially push this coin really far without scamming people. But then again, we got nothing solid about what we can expect from this coin in the future (features, exchanges, etc) and I wouldn't cross off my list that user LEOcoin Foundation, LEOcoin member and LEOCoinClub being the same user (same local time, arguably similar writing style) - which would be laughably lame. So yeah, so far my vote is on a combination of incompetence and scam but I'm not completely sure yet.

Full disclosure: I started mining and silently following this coin since March and own a few thousand coins.

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I mean if it was purely an MLM/ponzi/whatever else scamcoin then it would be pretty self defeating to post it on a forum where people are actually familiar with crypto and can point out obvious scams from miles away.

leocoin is dying so it is grasping straws before it drowns...they thought they can live without bitcoins now they realized they need bitcoins in the "bid" part of the exchanges  Grin

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there's a company behind it which seem to be on point of their marketing game as far as I can see and I believe that company could potentially push this coin really far without scamming people.

pushing is spending on innovations, the company wants to earn not spend...so no developments just MLM  Wink

knowing they have millions in premine and they did not want to develop their coin, like it is supposed to incentivize them since they have quite a stash...but they want the surest way to earn..thru MLM  Wink

hero member
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@all
Two short remarks at the end of the week.

re: freedom of expression
For certain, if you start with a new cryptocoin it is to be expected to meet with scepticism, doubt and all kind of remarks that form a mixture of rumours and half-truths. We have our own infamous and unofficial LEOcoin troll making extra hours, up to the extend that one might ask on whose pay-roll he could be. But that aside. It is good to have a forum where we can speak our mind, after all cryptocurrency has to do with benefits and improvement, e.g. like decentralization, development of payment solution that offer benefits to its users, because transactions are e.g. faster, cheaper or more private. LEOcoin just aspires to be one of those coins that will help to change - and hopefully also improve - the world of financial transactions, for both entrepreneurs and consumers alike.

As such, the LEOcoin Foundation started this thread to inform. We do not have to justify for behaviour of third parties, nor for how a cryptocurrency exchange works. As previously written, we are now gathering information that we can share with the readers of this forum; so it will be better understood where LEOcoin is all about. I accept critical remarks, and I think we should be critical, but also fair, so anyone can make a sound decision to participate in the LEOcoin project, or not.

Re: price of LEOcoin
Wishing a price or proposing a price for LEOcoin is tricky. What I have found to be a good indication in the past is the cost of mining a LEOcoin with a classical mining RIG.

Let’s look at a simple machine: AMD core, 8Gbyte of DDR3 memory, SSD, 5 Radeon GPU (R290x), two Enermax 1200W power supply etc.; that will cost us around £2000. Say we want to earn this back in two years and look at energy costs per watt that we need to mine LEOcoin. Before the recent nFactor-update we calculated that any price below 1,25£ would not cover your costs, unless you are using older hardware or very cheap energy. So, is LEOcoin with it’s current price of around 12 pence undervalued? You can answer that yourself.

What however counts, is not simply a calculation, but also the potential of LEOcoin and even more important the expectations that the owners of LEOcoins have. Those who have been mining from the start will have paid much less as with lower nfactors you will have gotten more LEOcoins for your hashes, but likely even for them the current prices are not encouraging, yet regarding the number of LEOcoins that have been traded on the LEOxChange, it would be strange to speak about dumping, as the majority of the LEOcoins are simply held and not sold. For me this shows, that there may indeed be a good and solid support for the LEOcoin and the next few months will have to show if that is justified or not.

(and please give me some time, so I can go into some of your questions in more detail and provide you with proper answers)
legendary
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I too was mining leocoin when the price was around 0.002, but now the price is very low.
legendary
Activity: 2002
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ICO? Not even once.
LEOcoin Foundation is pleased to announce that LEOcoin can now be traded in Thailand on the Bitcon Co. Ltd exchange website: https://bx.in.th/BTC/LEO/.

Excellent news!! Can we expect more in the coming months?
Mate that is old news.

Exactly, it's traded there for like 9 months now.


This thread is weird. I mean I'm not sure what the incentive here is announcing this coin when it's probably at the very end of its life (based on price and trade volume).
I mean if it was purely an MLM/ponzi/whatever else scamcoin then it would be pretty self defeating to post it on a forum where people are actually familiar with crypto and can point out obvious scams from miles away.

Which leaves me to believe that OP is either not familiar with bitcointalk's strong skepticism and brutal honesty or even how quickly the landscape of crypto changes or he's convinced that LEO will make a comeback (price- and popularity-wise) for watever reason.
With that said, I agree with pretty much everyone's skepticism here about this coin but I also have to say that this coin is very different from the usual copy/paste coin in a sense that there's a company behind it which seem to be on point of their marketing game as far as I can see and I believe that company could potentially push this coin really far without scamming people. But then again, we got nothing solid about what we can expect from this coin in the future (features, exchanges, etc) and I wouldn't cross off my list that user LEOcoin Foundation, LEOcoin member and LEOCoinClub being the same user (same local time, arguably similar writing style) - which would be laughably lame. So yeah, so far my vote is on a combination of incompetence and scam but I'm not completely sure yet.

Full disclosure: I started mining and silently following this coin since March and own a few thousand coins.
legendary
Activity: 3444
Merit: 1061
Azrael are you developer? did you make some coin? scam people and now you think all developers are scammers?
Or you just dont have nothng else clever to do and you shit on all coins here?
Noone force you to mine LEOcoin, so stop with shitting.
Anyone will make thier own oppinion about LEOcoin and your stupid, unmature comments dont help anyone. Just
make you look even bigger Troll as you are.

I'm no developer, but i know if a developer is a no good developer.

shit on all coins here? 2 scam coins I shitted on DASH and leocoin

this is a free forum, I'm just unmasking leocoin, trying not to acknowledge their MLM schemes

"their opinion" is their "opinion" about leocoin, so that applies to you too  Wink

besides my "opinion" or facts that i share will help newbies "opinion" about leocoin.

 
legendary
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So is it a scam or not?

No - and the reason it's not is that there is nobody being scammed or who has been scammed that I can see and nobody benefitting from a scam. It's just a coin like others, you can mine it if you like and trade it if you like, that simple.

Also it's got developers behind it who I think, aren't going to drop it like lots of other people in the past so that's one of the reasons I like it.

Leocoin dialogue in bitcointalk: it just a coin like others, mine it and trade it

Leocoin dialogue outside bitcointalk: MLM (and hey people at bitcointalk are mining leocoin Grin) and never ending MLM.

developers? correction: copy-paste developers  Wink
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So is it a scam or not?

No - and the reason it's not is that there is nobody being scammed or who has been scammed that I can see and nobody benefitting from a scam. It's just a coin like others, you can mine it if you like and trade it if you like, that simple.

Also it's got developers behind it who I think, aren't going to drop it like lots of other people in the past so that's one of the reasons I like it.
legendary
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But i saw the price was very good in the past.

that's normal, altcoins slide to their death slowly specially scam coins like leocoins...only a few emerge victorious  Wink

This is a good point. LEO is a scam but that does not mean one cant make money from it by buying low and selling high.

that's is why i recommend them to pump their coin, I'll mine it if it is profitable and dump it  Grin...

that is also the mentality of MLM "making money" thru pyramiding (fiat not crypto), recruiting other people to get your investment back thru commission. just make money and let the people below the network suffer for being underneath the pyramid..on top of that making people hold this shitcoin saying-this is the next bitcoin hahaha

sr. member
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But i saw the price was very good in the past.

that's normal, altcoins slide to their death slowly specially scam coins like leocoins...only a few emerge victorious  Wink

This is a good point. LEO is a scam but that does not mean one cant make money from it by buying low and selling high.
legendary
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But i saw the price was very good in the past.

that's normal, altcoins slide to their death slowly specially scam coins like leocoins...only a few emerge victorious  Wink
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But i saw the price was very good in the past.
legendary
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So is it a scam or not?

in fiat ... it is a scam (thru MLM)

in crypto currency ... it is premined and has no innovation

this crypto leocoin exists only to dazzle newbies into a bitcoin dream and get their fiat suckered thru MLM and baghold worthless leo shitcoin

overall, yes it is a scam.

leocoin "the marketing plan" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgvULpOqTcE

leocoin "the products" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNzyloUcn9Q
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So is it a scam or not?
legendary
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i got a feeling that these leocoin rats came here at bitcointalk and expecting to hype their shitcoin..

well this is not what you are expecting aren't you marketeers?

I'm just like a canary bird chirping "warning scam here"...the cavalry hasn't come yet.. -->too obvious of a scam they just ignore you  Wink
legendary
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LEOcoin Foundation is pleased to announce that LEOcoin can now be traded in Thailand on the Bitcon Co. Ltd exchange website: https://bx.in.th/BTC/LEO/.

Excellent news!! Can we expect more in the coming months?

Excellent indeed...with 8.6M pounds market capitalization



 Grin Grin



 Grin Grin

where's your professional pack of 1000 pounds and business pack of 500 pounds?

doesn't reflect on exchanges  Grin Grin


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