We need an ideological manifest for the fundation
Good idea. I propose a collaborative writing here: Mintcoin Fund ManifestoBonne nuit (good night)
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March 26, 2014, 09:08:25 PM
On it!
Bonne nuit (good night)
March 26, 2014, 08:58:27 PM
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March 26, 2014, 08:57:16 PM
We need an ideological manifest for the fundation
Good idea. I propose a collaborative writing here: Mintcoin Fund Manifesto March 26, 2014, 08:44:45 PM
Isn't blackcoin against NobleCoin, and Mintcoin, and basically every other coin it perceives as competition (all coins)? This is the feeling I have gotten from spending time on all of these forums. I like the idea of working with other coins, and I have been trying to quell some of the hostility between mintcoin and blackcoin myself. But, the blackcoin community hasn't expressed any desire to work with any other coin- quite the opposite they are always talking about destroying all the coins in their path, and how much better they are than every other coin. And they've also never expressed any desire to take an environmental or humanitarian position.
I did not notice any "me against all" attitude before 30 minutes ago (I read the noblecoin quote too by this time). But the way they are acting so childishly (really, I have no other word; I know it only account for a part of them of course) makes me sick.I am an active proponent of cryptocurrencies. Yesterday I was giving a conference to major bank regarding the importance of bitcoin and I also talked about mintcoin. I learnt a long time ago that wealth come from diversity - I used to have NXT too, but I sold them because I needed some cash to pay back my early misfortunes. I am used to talk with really smart people, full of world-changing ideas. I am a bit like Baudelaire's albatross when I see this kind of attitude. I am shocked and... well, sad. Sad for them.
but the myCoin vs yourCoin attitude comes from the devteams and the users should not get carried away.
Finally a wise sentence! I will go to bed smiling. Merci !Posting such "Rhetorical" things in such an open and widely viewed forum causes a lot of FUD to a lot of people, and may not be a good idea. Think about the fact that I, as well as others have sent people here to this forum to help them better understand exactly what Mintcoin is about, and what Mintcoin is doing. Then they see that post, and their impression of Mintcoin is not going to be a good one.
Alright, so that must be me. What I really meant is: what matter is not the currency, it is what we are doing with it. I will update my initial post.As far as having other coins involved with the Mint Fund, I'm not to keen on that idea. I think the best way to handle something like that, is once the Fund is up and running, and projects are announced, then, and only then we can contact other coins and offer them the ability to donate to the fund for said project, and give them widespread acknowledgement of their involvement as well. This will keep Mintcoin on the same road it started out on, and as things move forward other coins will see that Mintcoin is not just another flavor of the week, and their communities will almost certainly want to get involved with OUR Fund, as long as they get the recognition they would deserve for contributing.
Yes, that was my idea, but I just gave the whole speech to early.First create, then consolidate, finally extend.
I'm psychologically exhausted. Good night. And thank you.
March 26, 2014, 08:41:43 PM
deadmanwalking,
I was very disappointed by the attitude of the blackcoin forumers. Nothing exist beyond their dear coin. Now I understand better communautarism. And this is fortunate I make the experience now and not ten years before when I was not psychologically prepared to such a petty mentality.
I also note that you neither understand rhetoric. Or maybe that was just me being not clear enough. When I say something like "I don't care about mintcoin", I thought everyone understood this is a rhetorical formula! Is is that difficult to understand?
Rhetorics 101: to arrange words and sentence in such a way that it will make an impact on the listener/reader, who will better remember the message (the message here being: "Strenght in Unity").
I've not been paid out to do a job. I volunteered to do a job and then I got a reward after that. This was a gift, not a payment, I never asked for anything and there was not bounty attached to it. I do this because I like it, not because I am being paid (plus, the reward was the equivalent of 30 euros. I do this in less than one day so if I was doing this for money, I would have left long ago - no, I would not even have accepted).
Now if you excuse me, I have a foundation to set up. And since blackcoin has such a communautarist mentality, that will be a mintcoin foundation. The good news is that I won't have to change the bylaws.
I was very disappointed by the attitude of the blackcoin forumers. Nothing exist beyond their dear coin. Now I understand better communautarism. And this is fortunate I make the experience now and not ten years before when I was not psychologically prepared to such a petty mentality.
I also note that you neither understand rhetoric. Or maybe that was just me being not clear enough. When I say something like "I don't care about mintcoin", I thought everyone understood this is a rhetorical formula! Is is that difficult to understand?
Rhetorics 101: to arrange words and sentence in such a way that it will make an impact on the listener/reader, who will better remember the message (the message here being: "Strenght in Unity").
I've not been paid out to do a job. I volunteered to do a job and then I got a reward after that. This was a gift, not a payment, I never asked for anything and there was not bounty attached to it. I do this because I like it, not because I am being paid (plus, the reward was the equivalent of 30 euros. I do this in less than one day so if I was doing this for money, I would have left long ago - no, I would not even have accepted).
Now if you excuse me, I have a foundation to set up. And since blackcoin has such a communautarist mentality, that will be a mintcoin foundation. The good news is that I won't have to change the bylaws.
Well, as far as we here in the Western hemisphere think, what you said regarding not caring about Mintcoin, raised a lot of what we refer to as "Red Flags". I'm still sitting here trying to figure out if your account has been hacked, or your little brother has gained access to your computer while your watching a TV show or something.
Posting such "Rhetorical" things in such an open and widely viewed forum causes a lot of FUD to a lot of people, and may not be a good idea. Think about the fact that I, as well as others have sent people here to this forum to help them better understand exactly what Mintcoin is about, and what Mintcoin is doing. Then they see that post, and their impression of Mintcoin is not going to be a good one.
As far as having other coins involved with the Mint Fund, I'm not to keen on that idea. I think the best way to handle something like that, is once the Fund is up and running, and projects are announced, then, and only then we can contact other coins and offer them the ability to donate to the fund for said project, and give them widespread acknowledgement of their involvement as well. This will keep Mintcoin on the same road it started out on, and as things move forward other coins will see that Mintcoin is not just another flavor of the week, and their communities will almost certainly want to get involved with OUR Fund, as long as they get the recognition they would deserve for contributing.
March 26, 2014, 08:40:46 PM
Says the guy with only Blackcoin in his sig.... If this project is to be initially funded and spearheaded by the Mintcoin premine and community, then the primary goal of the project should be to advance Mintcoin along side the humanitarian/environmental cause. If we want to form a coalition between multiple coins where all the coins are to be treated equally and given the same priority, then it will need to be formed by equal contributions from all of the coins involved. Blackcoin should not be allowed to ride the waves of our premine that it has always had so much fun defaming mintcoin with.
Such animosity towards Blackcoin, I care not for BC only it's value so I can make money from it so don't judge someones comments from what they have in their signature, really can you be more ignorant and judgemental?
If Mint goes solo with this idea then it will be doing nothing new or innovative and it will be an incredibly and time consuming project with little reward. One only needs look at Noble and the efforts the Dev and community goes to for such little reward to see how difficult this path is whilst keeping their moral integrity and never selling themselves out
If however the project is truly for a humanitarian cause then all ties to coins should be put aside and the only objective being to further the humanitarian objectives regardless of the coins involved and no consider for financial gain for a coin at all unless that financial gain serves to enhance the humanitarian goals! This is about charity, not business equal contributions should not matter.
And I'm sure if you asked Noble's dev Rofo about this project he would either be happy to join onboard in a coalition or at least offer some help to point you in the right direction because it's no easy task
March 26, 2014, 08:28:36 PM
Hashstrike is starting to be scary big, spread some hash to other pools ! No matter which pools, we dont want to have 50% pool.
Other then that, lets get some more attention to mint ! Anyone who has an idea please share, i am voting everywhere, liking, sharing, anything i can think of. Lets do some support and get mint to da moooooon
Other then that, lets get some more attention to mint ! Anyone who has an idea please share, i am voting everywhere, liking, sharing, anything i can think of. Lets do some support and get mint to da moooooon
We don't have to worry about 51% hash power. Not sure what you're talking about.
March 26, 2014, 08:27:26 PM
Hashstrike is starting to be scary big, spread some hash to other pools ! No matter which pools, we dont want to have 50% pool.
Other then that, lets get some more attention to mint ! Anyone who has an idea please share, i am voting everywhere, liking, sharing, anything i can think of. Lets do some support and get mint to da moooooon
Other then that, lets get some more attention to mint ! Anyone who has an idea please share, i am voting everywhere, liking, sharing, anything i can think of. Lets do some support and get mint to da moooooon
March 26, 2014, 08:25:05 PM
Isn't blackcoin against NobleCoin, and Mintcoin, and basically every other coin it perceives as competition (all coins)?
No, not really, don't get caught up in this false dilemma.
You might get this picture, but this is a smokescreen.
Coins are currencies and as such they are financial tools.
It is up to the user to make good use of the available tools.
Obviously some tools are better than others,
but the myCoin vs yourCoin attitude comes from the devteams and the users should not get carried away.
but at times before a pump/ dump the BC community does get carried away and come here to manipulate people into selling mint and buying bc
March 26, 2014, 08:24:09 PM
We need an ideological manifest for the fundation
Good idea. I propose a collaborative writing here: Mintcoin Fund Manifesto March 26, 2014, 08:23:50 PM
I am OK with giving mintcoin an unfair advantage.
I forgot to highlight this glaring issue as well
If you have conflict of interests which results in you being ok to give mintcoin an unfair advantage then your project will look to serve only mintcoins needs and not the needs of the goals of the project.
No other coin will want to get involved while your interest is clearly only in the gains for mintcoin with other coins and the project itself as a second consideration.
As long as this stance remains then I and I expect alot of others will not be able to support the project.
Goals of the project should be first & foremost above everything else including Mint
Says the guy with only Blackcoin in his sig.... If this project is to be initially funded and spearheaded by the Mintcoin premine and community, then the primary goal of the project should be to advance Mintcoin along side the humanitarian/environmental cause. If we want to form a coalition between multiple coins where all the coins are to be treated equally and given the same priority, then it will need to be formed by equal contributions from all of the coins involved. Blackcoin should not be allowed to ride the waves of our premine that it has always had so much fun defaming mintcoin with.
March 26, 2014, 08:21:58 PM
again looking at leaf?
"We are launching the first and biggest ever charity fundraising using Crypto currency online"
i agree on the idea... but its interesting how the two coins appear to try to compete with each other.
or another coincidence?
Full disclosure: the first time I heard about leafcoin was when we where designing the mintcoin logo. I never ever read the ANN for leafcoin, I know nothing about it."We are launching the first and biggest ever charity fundraising using Crypto currency online"
i agree on the idea... but its interesting how the two coins appear to try to compete with each other.
or another coincidence?
So, yes, a coincidence. Easy to explain: environmentalism is a widespread issue these days.
As for how they will compete (or not): I don't know. Maybe one will eclipse the other, maybe they will both find a niche. Time (and good will) will tell.
We need an ideological manifest for the fundation
March 26, 2014, 08:20:38 PM
deadmanwalking,
I was very disappointed by the attitude of the blackcoin forumers. Nothing exists beyond their dear coin. Now I understand better communautarism. And this is fortunate I make the experience now and not ten years before when I was not psychologically prepared to such a petty mentality.
I also note that you neither understand rhetoric. Or maybe that was just me being not clear enough. When I say something like "I don't care about mintcoin", I thought everyone understood this is a rhetorical formula! Is is that difficult to understand?
Rhetorics 101: to arrange words and sentence in such a way that it will make an impact on the listener/reader, who will better remember the message (the message here being: "Strenght in Unity").
I've not been paid out to do a job. I volunteered to do a job and then I got a reward after that. This was a gift, not a payment, I never asked for anything and there was not bounty attached to it. I do this because I like it, not because I am being paid (plus, the reward was the equivalent of 30 euros. I do this in less than one day so if I was doing this for money, I would have left long ago - no, I would not even have accepted).
Now if you excuse me, I have a foundation to set up. And since blackcoin has such a communautarist mentality, that will be a mintcoin foundation. The good news is that I won't have to change the bylaws.
I was very disappointed by the attitude of the blackcoin forumers. Nothing exists beyond their dear coin. Now I understand better communautarism. And this is fortunate I make the experience now and not ten years before when I was not psychologically prepared to such a petty mentality.
I also note that you neither understand rhetoric. Or maybe that was just me being not clear enough. When I say something like "I don't care about mintcoin", I thought everyone understood this is a rhetorical formula! Is is that difficult to understand?
Rhetorics 101: to arrange words and sentence in such a way that it will make an impact on the listener/reader, who will better remember the message (the message here being: "Strenght in Unity").
I've not been paid out to do a job. I volunteered to do a job and then I got a reward after that. This was a gift, not a payment, I never asked for anything and there was not bounty attached to it. I do this because I like it, not because I am being paid (plus, the reward was the equivalent of 30 euros. I do this in less than one day so if I was doing this for money, I would have left long ago - no, I would not even have accepted).
Now if you excuse me, I have a foundation to set up. And since blackcoin has such a communautarist mentality, that will be a mintcoin foundation. The good news is that I won't have to change the bylaws.
March 26, 2014, 08:19:50 PM
Isn't blackcoin against NobleCoin, and Mintcoin, and basically every other coin it perceives as competition (all coins)?
No, not really, don't get caught up in this false dilemma.
You might get this picture, but this is a smokescreen.
Coins are currencies and as such they are financial tools.
It is up to the user to make good use of the available tools.
Obviously some tools are better than others,
but the myCoin vs yourCoin attitude comes from the devteams and the users should not get carried away.
March 26, 2014, 08:16:28 PM
I am OK with giving mintcoin an unfair advantage.
I forgot to highlight this glaring issue as well
If you have conflict of interests which results in you being ok to give mintcoin an unfair advantage then your project will look to serve only mintcoins needs and not the needs of the goals of the project.
No other coin will want to get involved while your interest is clearly only in the gains for mintcoin with other coins and the project itself as a second consideration.
As long as this stance remains then I and I expect alot of others will not be able to support the project.
Goals of the project should be first & foremost above everything else including Mint
March 26, 2014, 08:06:20 PM
Then you cannot include Mint and its premine, you either are fair and include any with premine or exclude all premined coins including Mint
To allow one and exclude all others on this principle present a critical flaw for what you are trying to achieve by not being biased.
It also would exclude Noble which is by far the most VAS exclusive coin currently in circulation
I am OK with giving mintcoin an unfair advantage. This is mintcoin's dev who planted the seed of a foundation in my head. Privilege of the first. All long as it is known to everyone... As I said, I really want mintcoin to stand apart in one way or another, as a tribute to where the fund come from.To allow one and exclude all others on this principle present a critical flaw for what you are trying to achieve by not being biased.
It also would exclude Noble which is by far the most VAS exclusive coin currently in circulation
Other option: we allow premine but with extra scrutiny regarding the sincerity of the devs. This will take time and could be unsecure but as long as people are ready to do it, I'm fine with it (I noticed that a lot of project fail because of the lack of motivation or human ressources - so diluting ressources to investigate the "cleanliness" of a premined coin might jeopardize the whole project).
I will probably create a process for acceptance. The said process could easily integrate a "premine investigation" part. This would make integration longer, but otherwise should be fine.
On which ground would you exclude Noblecoin? I only know this coin by name.
I just created VAS coins. This is an empty spreasheet where you can propose coins.
Well, first let me say I never said anything about leafcoin...
That must be me getting confused. Apologies.
I had to look it up just to know what it was..maybe you confused me with someone else? I did suggest throwing some funds behind green energy projects.
Second- Unfortunately, I don't understand your vision. I do view other coins as direct competition, and hold the opinion that Mint is superior. This I have been vocal about.
Really, I guess it will be up to the community.
Exactly. Anyway, I propose we don't talk much about the "umbrella aspect". Just see it as a possibility.Really, I guess it will be up to the community.
Isn't blackcoin against NobleCoin, and Mintcoin, and basically every other coin it perceives as competition (all coins)? This is the feeling I have gotten from spending time on all of these forums. I like the idea of working with other coins, and I have been trying to quell some of the hostility between mintcoin and blackcoin myself. But, the blackcoin community hasn't expressed any desire to work with any other coin- quite the opposite they are always talking about destroying all the coins in their path, and how much better they are than every other coin. And they've also never expressed any desire to take an environmental or humanitarian position.
Recently, from the BC forum:
Quote from: Rofo on Today at 12:03:20 AM
"For all those wondering why your payouts in BC are so poor on the amazing new multi-pool, it's because they sit on NobleCoin when we're the 30th+ most profitable. A few of the BC community as well as a decent amount of pump & dumpers on Twitter despise NobleCoin, so if you're looking for good returns for your hashrate you won't find it there." /endquote
March 26, 2014, 08:04:13 PM
David,
I'm afraid you won't have my support for a foundation that isn't Mintcoin specific.
Also, I would like to address the elephant in the room:
The Mintcoin Task Manager saying he doesn't care about Mintcoin? Also, you are much involved in the Blackcoin thread.
I'm sorry, but I don't see us holding hands with blackcoin or any other coin. Reading the comments over at Blackcoin, I think they feel the same. Which is fine, may the best coin win. It's just kind of hard to fight that battle when the community has to counter trolls spreading FUD, and now it seems our team leader is more interested in other coins than he is Mintcoin.
Were you not paid out of the pre-mine to do a job? Do you feel you are holding up to your end of the bargain?
I'm afraid you won't have my support for a foundation that isn't Mintcoin specific.
Also, I would like to address the elephant in the room:
The Mintcoin Task Manager saying he doesn't care about Mintcoin? Also, you are much involved in the Blackcoin thread.
I'm sorry, but I don't see us holding hands with blackcoin or any other coin. Reading the comments over at Blackcoin, I think they feel the same. Which is fine, may the best coin win. It's just kind of hard to fight that battle when the community has to counter trolls spreading FUD, and now it seems our team leader is more interested in other coins than he is Mintcoin.
Were you not paid out of the pre-mine to do a job? Do you feel you are holding up to your end of the bargain?
March 26, 2014, 08:00:24 PM
Then you cannot include Mint and its premine, you either are fair and include any with premine or exclude all premined coins including Mint
To allow one and exclude all others on this principle present a critical flaw for what you are trying to achieve by not being biased.
It also would exclude Noble which is by far the most VAS exclusive coin currently in circulation
I am OK with giving mintcoin an unfair advantage. This is mintcoin's dev who planted the seed of a foundation in my head. Privilege of the first. All long as it is known to everyone... As I said, I really want mintcoin to stand apart in one way or another, as a tribute to where the fund come from.To allow one and exclude all others on this principle present a critical flaw for what you are trying to achieve by not being biased.
It also would exclude Noble which is by far the most VAS exclusive coin currently in circulation
Other option: we allow premine but with extra scrutiny regarding the sincerity of the devs. This will take time and could be unsecure but as long as people are ready to do it, I'm fine with it (I noticed that a lot of project fail because of the lack of motivation or human ressources - so diluting ressources to investigate the "cleanliness" of a premined coin might jeopardize the whole project).
I will probably create a process for acceptance. The said process could easily integrate a "premine investigation" part. This would make integration longer, but otherwise should be fine.
On which ground would you exclude Noblecoin? I only know this coin by name.
I just created VAS coinsThis is an empty spreasheet where you can propose coins.
Noble has premine, however that premine is completely transparent, they issue reports on where the money is going and what it's being used for, along with the dev not being an anonymous entity which is rare for alt coins.
I would support your endeavour but only if you altered your premine conditions like you suggest only because I do not believe privilege or bias should be a factor dictating what coin gets selected or not. In fact I encourage you to alter your pre mine conditions just so your cause retains moral integrity because including a premined coin whilst excluding all others just on the grounds of it gave you the idea does not resonate well with the general concept of what you're trying to achieve and will only bite you in the ass later on at some point.
However I think, first of all you should try and gather a group of collective like minded individuals and form a council of sorts in order to discuss objectively and unbiased what rules you will impose for coin selection and then remain as the decision makers for coin selections judging whether coin has met criteria or not. As I think one person deciding the rules for such a project despite it being their project may undermine the end goals of the project, when people start asking why coin x wasn't chosen when coin y was. It's harder to argue against a group decision than a sole decision
March 26, 2014, 07:46:17 PM
Then you cannot include Mint and its premine, you either are fair and include any with premine or exclude all premined coins including Mint
To allow one and exclude all others on this principle present a critical flaw for what you are trying to achieve by not being biased.
It also would exclude Noble which is by far the most VAS exclusive coin currently in circulation
I am OK with giving mintcoin an unfair advantage. This is mintcoin's dev who planted the seed of a foundation in my head. Privilege of the first. All long as it is known to everyone... As I said, I really want mintcoin to stand apart in one way or another, as a tribute to where the fund come from.To allow one and exclude all others on this principle present a critical flaw for what you are trying to achieve by not being biased.
It also would exclude Noble which is by far the most VAS exclusive coin currently in circulation
Other option: we allow premine but with extra scrutiny regarding the sincerity of the devs. This will take time and could be unsecure but as long as people are ready to do it, I'm fine with it (I noticed that a lot of project fail because of the lack of motivation or human ressources - so diluting ressources to investigate the "cleanliness" of a premined coin might jeopardize the whole project).
I will probably create a process for acceptance. The said process could easily integrate a "premine investigation" part. This would make integration longer, but otherwise should be fine.
On which ground would you exclude Noblecoin? I only know this coin by name.
I just created VAS coins. This is an empty spreasheet where you can propose coins.
Well, first let me say I never said anything about leafcoin...
That must be me getting confused. Apologies.
I had to look it up just to know what it was..maybe you confused me with someone else? I did suggest throwing some funds behind green energy projects.
Second- Unfortunately, I don't understand your vision. I do view other coins as direct competition, and hold the opinion that Mint is superior. This I have been vocal about.
Really, I guess it will be up to the community.
Exactly. Anyway, I propose we don't talk much about the "umbrella aspect". Just see it as a possibility. Really, I guess it will be up to the community.
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