Topic: [ANN] [MINT] Mintcoin (POS / 5%) [NO ICO] [Fair distro, community maintained] - page 497. (Read 1369810 times)

I will be honest: I am quite invested in the BC forum for the simple reason that I make money with BC and not with mintcoin. If tomorrow I was making money with GreatCoin, I would be invested in GreatCoin forum. I have no problem with that. Plus, I got some very interesting idea from people at BC (namely ssaCEO), which encouraged me to look beyond one single coin. Actually, there is an idea that would come from no existing coin. That's also why I don't want to be restricted to one coin (and at the same time pay tribute to the coin I come from).

Beside, the mintcoin community has a much deeper ideal than the blackcoin community, IMHO. Until recently, there were mostly there for the money only. The multipool changes this a bit. The now feel invested with holy crusade against shitcoins. But still, money is the main goal. Which is normal: our dev mentioned several time how environment matters for him and I don't remember getting any societal message from blackcoin devs.

That's also why the two communities are really different. And on blackcoin community, I am preaching rapprochement with mintcoin, with some success. No more bashing, for instance.

Thanks So far, said relevant thread are mintcoin and blackcoin. For a simple reason: they are the one I know and like (for different reasons, see my previous post). Before posting to others, let's be sure we got the right criteria for choosing. I propose we stick with mintcoin and blackcoin first, possibly with a focus on mintcoin. Going too far fast too fast would be detrimental.
PM me your email address and what you are good at (SEO, webmastering, webdesign, legal, accountancy, community management, documentation, writing... On top of it, fundraising proficiency could be a plus)

Well, first let me say I never said anything about leafcoin...I had to look it up just to know what it was..maybe you confused me with someone else? I did suggest throwing some funds behind green energy projects.

Second- Unfortunately, I don't understand your vision.  I do view other coins as direct competition, and hold the opinion that Mint is superior. This I have been vocal about.

Really, I guess it will be up to the community. I'm curious how the developer feels about this too? Will you be using Mint funds for the project?

Edit: I see you answered the question about Mint funds.

Premine: Mintcoin will be an exception (that's one way to give mintcoin a preferred position, by the way). I am not sure if the premine will be used for the foundation. The dev made it clear the premine is for the mintcoin foundation. One way to have the best of both world is if dev is OK for financing a mintcoin project inside a larger (but mainly mintcoin-driven) foundation.
Project from other coin will have to be financed by the said coin. Leafcoin want to raise crops in Gobi desert? Alright, make sure to gather the coin by yourself, leafcoin. All we provide is the structure, not the funds.
As for visibility, it could be something like "powered by the mintcoin community", for instance. As I said, this is still a work in progress.

Then you cannot include Mint and its premine, you either are fair and include any with premine or exclude all premined coins including Mint

To allow one and exclude all others on this principle present a critical flaw for what you are trying to achieve by not being biased.

It also would exclude Noble which is by far the most VAS exclusive coin currently in circulation

Brilliant idea! Spread it on all the relevant coin threads.

What would be involved in 'being a part of it'?

I have Blackcoin, Mintcoin, EEC and others. I have no particular favourite.

First coin will be mintcoin. There is already one small and one big project related to mintcoin. I would really like to give mintcoin a preferred position, but I don't know how to do it. Any idea welcomed.

Don't get me wrong, I think its an extremely progressive and wonderful idea. But, I've also been noticing you have been much more active on the BC forum than on here lately, and I can't help but wonder how much your recent investments in BC play a role in this transition.

Quick remark (haven't had the time to formulate a full response), you mention not allowing coins to join that have a premine but Mintcoin had a premine, and it is that premine which will fund the formation of this foundation (that was the impression I was under). So, Mintcoin will be spending its premine to build a foundation which other coins (which have long criticized/bashed us for having a premine *cough* BC *cough*) will then be able to join for free? They will be benefiting from the premine that they have long targeted in their attempts to sabotage the progression of this coin? I'm not sure I understand...

Edit: In other words: If we are going to be using the mintcoin premine to fund this foundation, how can we allow coins like BC to benefit equally without paying equally especially considering the fact that they have, since the very beginning, painted the fact that we have a premine as a negative and used that fact against mintcoin and as a means of promoting BC in comparison... It just all seems kinda backwards..

Does that include the one I posted earlier?

I wished mintcoin had more gambling sites.



i've seen only 2 so far

This all makes sense, but I am a bit disappointed. I was hoping that this project and foundation would benefit Mintcoins and be another reason for people to get interested in them. It was a selling point in my mind. This idea, while probably smart, will absolutely dilute the focus on any individual coin. It sounds more like a new and separate project divorced from Mintcoin, to me.

ok just checking.

believe you.

its true what you say that world is becoming more aware and aware and its a logical step in crypto as well.

thats a good thing.

good luck.

Full disclosure: the first time I heard about leafcoin was when we where designing the mintcoin logo. I never ever read the ANN for leafcoin, I know nothing about it.
So, yes, a coincidence. Easy to explain: environmentalism is a widespread issue these days.

As for how they will compete (or not): I don't know. Maybe one will eclipse the other, maybe they will both find a niche. Time (and good will) will tell.

again looking at leaf?

"We are launching the first and biggest ever charity fundraising using Crypto currency online"

i agree on the idea... but its interesting how the two coins appear to try to compete with each other.

or another coincidence?

I agree with you David. It is very big of you to admit this and to accept other coins not as competition but complimentary to a larger and more altruistic goal than just supporting a currency. By bringing the focus onto the fund instead of the coin, you can do a lot more good. Good on you and I support this move whole heartedly. Using only energy efficient coins that compliment the philosophy of Mintcoin, sustainability and the environment is a good call.

Ah, cheers for the heads up. I'll get that sorted now. As I said before, the site's basically a carbon copy of my other, vtc-dice site. Still some remnants I obviously forgot to edit!

Hi,

I pondered the idea behind Mintcoin Fund/Project F and I believe it is fundamentally broken.

I don't care about Mintcoin. I don't care about Blackcoin, DogeCoin or whateverCoin. I don't care about any particular coin (save for getting rich quick) and I believe you should not either.

What matters is "does a coin, a project, bring something worthwhile for the society?". This is not about mintcoin, this is about the planet. Mintcoin is just a mean (a useful one, still). But other coins have good ideas too. Promoting only one coin would be very individualistic - "we are right, you are wrong". Let alone duplication of efforts (deadmanwalking was vocal about Mintcoin doing the same as Leafcoin, for instance).

That is why I am considering extending Project F to encompass more than mintcoin. Introducing the concept of Value Added for the Society, of VAS (an obvious pun on VAT).

If a coin brings something useful for the society, it should be promoted. Otherwise, it should not. Granted, one may argue "who are you to decide what is right and what is wrong"? Well human beings, and human being are imperfect, but they keep trying to get better. And so we will.

The basic bylaws won't change much - this is mainly the name and the object (article 2) that will change.
It is of very important to be able to stick to verifiable, factual criteria for promoting a coin. Here how it will go:

- No ressource intensive (be it for mining or for transactions).. Bitcoin/litecoin/dogecoin are out. Mintcoin and Blackcoin are in. Peercoin is out because, despite having PoS, its PoW phase is way too long. NXT if in, of course, like any pure PoS (like faircoin). A hypothetical "lightning-fast PoW" (no more than, say, two months of PoW) would be eligible
- No premine. Yep, not even for country coin, even it they have the best of intentions and they actually deliver (like Auroracoin did yesterday)
- other criteria as you see fit.

There would be two kind of criteria: mandatory and facultative. Mandatory criteria are stoppers, other just orient the decision. I'd say ressource-intensivness and premine should be mandatory.
The boundary of a criterium should be written clearly, to avoid as much arbitrary decision as possible.

Now, what would this fund do?
It would raise awareness for a coin, because said coin is expected to have Value Added for the Society. For instance (and now I am back to mintcoin), the fund could host project related to mintcoin's ideal, like sustainable development. It could be financed in a lot of different way: premine, collaborative donation (doge4water did not need any premine to work for instance). The technicalities of the tunding are up to the coin. The fund will host project, like an incubator for projects.
Of course, since the first "hosted coin" would be mintcoin, mintcoin would have a greater visibility than the other coins (at least in the beginning).

Now, I need your input:
- first, do you understand my vision (whether you agree or not)?
- second, if you agree with it, who would like to be part of it?


Thank you for reading

It seems ok for me...

bitcointalk issues.... zzzzzslow

I did not noted people who wanted to be on the board of director for the Fund on a spreadhsheet and now this is dispatched between mail, email, forum...

Please could everyone interested PM me again with the title "Fund". Your PM won't guarantee you in anyway that you will be on the board, this is just a call for candidacy for the moment.
Reminder: you won't get a penny from it, you will have responsability and some availability will be required.

Thanks and sorry for the inconvenience.