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Topic: [ANN] NeuCoin - Easy to use, free to try, focused on micropayments - Official - page 90. (Read 196221 times)

newbie
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This is not an “ad hominem” attack whereby I’m arguing that neucoin is a good coin based on the fact that Gekko is a despicable sociopath. I’m just pointing out that Gekko is a despicable sociopath. He probably agrees. Do you agree Gekko that you’re a despicable sociopath?


But you're doing it in this thread which makes me think it's deflection.

As far as Gekko, I don't think being a mysogonist makes him a sociopath.  I don't share his views on women.  I'm happily married.  But as long you ain't hurtin no one, to each his own. live and let live.

Did you read Gekko's own statement?

He said, "I am a vicious prick."

Can we agree that he is a vicious prick?

Can we agree that he is a vicious prick attacking a project based on ad hominem attacks against the people behind it? When Gekko or any of you trolls act like assholes making personal attacks, it makes people who invested in the presale angry. Of course we want to attack you personally back. so especially after a beer I for one stoop to your level and start hurling insults at anonymous trolls, which is embarrassing.

All your attacks are based on idea that Dan K and Sandrine and other insiders, maybe even their list of hyper successful angels, are all hell bent on tricking and stealing. (is that what you would do in their shoes?)

What if they don't sell more than the 2% per month of their holdings that they are allowed to sell?

Why can't you guys even accept that this is a possibility?

Does it ever occur to you that you should wait before judging?

Wait to see if the tech is released and works as promised. Wait to see if they can pull off their marketing plans. Wait to see if the insiders hold onto most of their Neucoins which they are obligated to do.
legendary
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I actually did read the white paper.  That's what turned me into a nokoin "fan".  There was no technical innovation or solving of the NaS problem which was claimed in the marketing.  Just jargon and hand waving.  For me, that made it a scam.  But all that was covered earlier in the thread.
newbie
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And if you cretin trolls think this post is "off topic", why don't you try talking about the project itself instead of only attacking the people that are actually doing the work to make it happen.

Well, who's behind the project? Althouse. Questions regarding Althouse were asked - and never answered. Instead, you appear and start attacking people and then whining that the project isn't being discussed? Hilfsschnäbi!

Again, Mala, you're asking "who" rather than discussing "what" the project is about. It's truly amazing, given the time investment you've made to trashing this project, but I really question whether any of you have actually read Neucoin's strategic plan (or white paper).

Don't you guys get how IRONIC it is that you keep talking about WHO, only making ad hominem attacks -- when YOU are all ANONYMOUS!

The Neucoin team, meanwhile, ALL IDENTIFY THEMSELVES.

And here's another obvious difference between you and them. The Neucoin team clearly worked their asses off writing that strategic plan and white paper. I'm hoping/praying that their tech team have been working their asses off on the actual product -- we will all find out what we think about that soon enough (though I myself think the beta looks promising). Anybody bitching that their tech team "sucks" or is a "failure" because they're launching in September rather than July has no experience in the real world. If the tech works, I have high confidence that this team, with all their connections, is going to be able to market the hell out of this coin.

So THEY work, while YOU Mala, Rizz, Spam, Jonald, Tibanne, Gekko don't do anything productive with your time.

Or maybe I'm wrong. Maybe you all have important jobs. Or families. Or friends. Maybe. Care to list your linkedin profiles?

I didn't think so.
legendary
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Bitcoin Trader
just watch and wait is finished with a beta version and really release
legendary
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This is not an “ad hominem” attack whereby I’m arguing that neucoin is a good coin based on the fact that Gekko is a despicable sociopath. I’m just pointing out that Gekko is a despicable sociopath. He probably agrees. Do you agree Gekko that you’re a despicable sociopath?


But you're doing it in this thread which makes me think it's deflection.

As far as Gekko, I don't think being a mysogonist makes him a sociopath.  I don't share his views on women.  I'm happily married.  But as long you ain't hurtin no one, to each his own. live and let live.
legendary
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And if you cretin trolls think this post is "off topic", why don't you try talking about the project itself instead of only attacking the people that are actually doing the work to make it happen.

Well, who's behind the project? Althouse. Questions regarding Althouse were asked - and never answered. Instead, you appear and start attacking people and then whining that the project isn't being discussed? Hilfsschnäbi!
hero member
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I don't defend Gekko. Gekko is Gekko.
He pisses me of too with some of his view's. (off topic, I dislike the women attitude strongly, he got no praise or support here. Quite the opposite)
But he does bring information also.
He's here weather we like him or not.
Use your ignore button.

You posted about Gekkos' rudeness while calling Real Malatesta by a very derogatory name.

Looks like double standards to me?


Edit -  he got no praise or support here. Quite the opposite - added 6  Sept
newbie
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This is not an “ad hominem” attack whereby I’m arguing that neucoin is a good coin based on the fact that Gekko is a despicable sociopath. I’m just pointing out that Gekko is a despicable sociopath. He probably agrees. Do you agree Gekko that you’re a despicable sociopath?

He posts here all the time. People should know what he is so that they can judge his statements accordingly.

Hilarious, Jonald, that you got all sensitive all of a sudden. Maybe it was that lonely bottle of wine on Saturday night.
Ad hominem attack?  Come on man, you gotta bring it better than that.
Most here are sophisticated enough to see right through that weak tactic.

AD HOMINEM ATTACKS IS ALL YOU TROLLS EVER DO! NONE OF YOU EVER TALKS ABOUT THE PROJECT ITSELF!

But here’s my question… Rizz, Malatesta, Jonald, Tibanne… are you actually defending Gekko? or are you saying he’s irrelevant? Or you think people here just shouldn’t be so harsh as to judge him?

Here are two more essential Gekko quotes below. Go ahead, defend your homeboy.

Gekko painting perfect picture of himself in one sentence. He’s referring to half of humanity.

Women exist to clean my house, cook my dinner and suck my dick, and I employ them as such.

And here is one of his many exchanges with the unobtainium team, his previous compadres and partners:

Communicating simple things like, "it's money that flies across the internet, and this one is valuable because it's rare, like gold" is hard enough without complications and derivatives and having people ask questions about that.  Doing it across cultures is even harder.

It's a lot simpler to get a black coffee than a complicated frozen skinny soy latte moche chocha razzleberry whatever at Starbucks when you're in Beijing.

Simple and elegant is better.  Mac is a bicycle for your mind.  UNO is a solid place to store your crypto.

This message is clear and your point made, and that's fine. We move on with knowledge and experience and tomorrow is a new day.

However, as a member of UNO's core community of supporters here, I'm disappointed and ashamed by your posts on Reddit yesterday, Gekko. Threat of buy sell-wall over Mark's head aside, hurling such names and insults, particularly in the face of a graceful withdrawal, is an utter contradiction to the "streamlined message" and entry-friendly image you purportedly wish to protect and promote. You may not agree with him or even respect him, but you've only ever received polite discourse from the man. At worst, he was merely civil when he sent you the quoted message in March about the Un-Ex not being open to you, and that simply to a dinky experimental trading group, of all things.

After your unexpected outburst in our Reddit discussion in March, I have not since directly engaged with you for anything except your China program last month. We have repeatedly chosen grace and peace over confrontation for the sake of the community's cohesion. However, your persistent belligerence is a strong and corrosive force to UNO's greater reputation as a coin and for us as a community. Such behaviour harms our collaboration in future projects and ultimately damages our common goal of wider adoption. If you truly believe in what you're trying to protect with your efforts on Reddit, such behaviour has no place here.

I am a vicious prick.  Oblivious to your opinion of me.  Things need to get done sometimes.  Being polite to each other constantly gets very little done.

As I just mentioned to someone else in a PM, one of the downsides of a fair launch is no leadership.  Thus it occasionally comes down to Darwinian chest beating, the showing of teeth, and the demonstration of financial dominance to get shit done.

Blazer doesn't want to lead, FK organizes and keeps the peace, I don't want to lead on a full time basis but dammit, when things need to get done, somebody has to actually say it. 

As we are largely composed of drunks, stoners and the occasional developmentally challenged, somebody needs to pick up the ball, throw it, and order the most qualified people to run with it.

I have asked IMZ to run with the ball of getting all the mentions of the private trader club off of reddit, unobtanium.uno and the OP here.  He will communicate with those people capable of making those changes.

This is a half million dollar business gentlemen.  It should be worth a lot more, and it is not currently.
 This can be fixed if everyone picks up a goddamned ball and runs with it sometimes and gives no fucks about any feet that might be trod upon.

This is not a book club or a tea party.  Reach down, count 'em, make sure there are still two, and march towards the next level of success. 

Working well together does not mean hugging each other's nuts.

I may not like you either Craigv.  Who gives a shit?  As long as we both do what is best for the common goal.  80BTC to 1UNO.

So, I would suggest we take a poll, but there's no point because the result would be so obvious.

Is Neucoin's fiercest critic a despicable sociopath? Or is he only, as he says himself “a vicious prick”?

And if you cretin trolls think this post is "off topic", why don't you try talking about the project itself instead of only attacking the people that are actually doing the work to make it happen.
hero member
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I asked (Sept 1st) "ex CCN journalist cries scam, could be first bitcoin refund?"
(now coin journal I think?)
Yes, it was the first (known) btc refund.

"On Thursday, September 3rd, the Neucoin team refunded my 0.1BTC in this transaction  (address: 1phmMcubFy298wujNFj6hQ1gctUBFovmL). They also said they are still going to honor my purchase. The story remains factual and error-free, thus it will stay here for posterity. Thanks to Sandrine @ Neucoin for attending to the matter for me, months after it first occurred as it were."
https://www.zapchain.com/a/J4cT0u6f4V

Not refunded from the Seychelle's account 3MrNuKs though.
And the journlist can keep his neucoin FREE. Very nice.

Can others unsatisfied customers, not journalists, claim for refunds/free coins?
Can primevalsoup have a refund, and still receive his 1m neucoin free?
Has primevalsoup (or anyone else) been offered/received a refund already?

What is the policy for refunds to unsatisfied customers?
Is there a process to follow, or is it just who shouts loudest/who carries most clout on the internet?


legendary
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I don't think these so-called "growth accounts" help their already flimsy facade that these koins were just "cryptographic tokens".
hero member
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Interesting Ad Hominum strategy.

Who needs credibility when making statements like "the sky is blue"?

Neucoin pre-sale is either securities fraud because non-registered and no proper blu-sky disclosure.

Or, it's tax evasion because the coins are the product, the company promoting it is French, no taxes or VAT have been paid

It is quite clear, and a FACT that the funds were diverted to an ANONYMOUS off-shore entity in the Seychelle's.

Either way, it's money laundering, because of all the off-shore components and shady multi corporation/foundation structure.

The web of entities is elegantly constructed, but obviously, DanK and Sandrine are at the heart of the web weaving.  FACT.

Any competent regulatory body currently being apprised of all these shenanigans will be able to easily pierce bogus corporate veils and prosecute.  FACT

The Hooker WAS still alive (at that point).  I was naked!  I am misogonistic.  Women exist to clean my house and take care of Gekko Jr.  All FACTS.

I am also well versed in business and securities  law.  But that's secondary.  Yet, a FACT.

All true FACTS!  The difference between me and Dan is, I tell the truth even when the truth is ugly.  The Reddit threads posted here, are me saying these things about myself--they are true.  I hide nothing and take responsibility for every word I write.

Dan and the truth are strangers.  The things we know about Neucoin, and Dan personally are all things journalists and courts and government bodies have said about him on the public record.  Over and over again.

Nobody needs credibility when stating "the sky is blue".  Nobody needs credibility to point out that Neucoin's various "entities" have been set up to shield the promoters from prosecution.  One need only read the Terms and Conditions of the NoKoin Pre-Sale agreement to see quite clearly that these guys are very, very worried about going to jail.  The remaining question is, what will the charges be?  Securities Fraud?  Money-laundering?  Tax evasion?  

If they were as good at making shitcoins as they are at constructing tax-dodging tangles of inter locking anonymous corporate entities, the coin would have launched on time.


legendary
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Core dev leaves me neg feedback #abuse #political
legendary
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Core dev leaves me neg feedback #abuse #political
SATURDAY NIGHT!!!!! Yes! Bitcointalk is on FIRE! On fire with WINNERS! IT'S SO FUCKING AWESOME!!! EVERYONE JUST HAS SO MUCH GAME AND GETTING LAID AND BEING AWESOME AND WINNING! WINNERS! MAN, YA'LL SUCH WINNERS!

Stay classy, San Diego! This place sucks.



...ladies and gentleman, Dan K... Dan K everyone...give him a big round of applause.  His comedy routine runs all week.  Don't forget to tip your waiters and waitressess.
hero member
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SATURDAY NIGHT!!!!! Yes! Bitcointalk is on FIRE! On fire with WINNERS! IT'S SO FUCKING AWESOME!!! EVERYONE JUST HAS SO MUCH GAME AND GETTING LAID AND BEING AWESOME AND WINNING! WINNERS! MAN, YA'LL SUCH WINNERS!

Stay classy, San Diego! This place sucks.



Sorry, this isn't Bitcointalk, just some crappy alt coin thread. All the action is elsewhere. sorry
newbie
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SATURDAY NIGHT!!!!! Yes! Bitcointalk is on FIRE! On fire with WINNERS! IT'S SO FUCKING AWESOME!!! EVERYONE JUST HAS SO MUCH GAME AND GETTING LAID AND BEING AWESOME AND WINNING! WINNERS! MAN, YA'LL SUCH WINNERS!

Stay classy, San Diego! This place sucks.

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BTC > etc
A quick summary of Dan Kaufman aka spyware-pig's illustrious past (with a little help from reddit)

Direct Revenue (infected millions of computers with spyware)
Note that 2 other founders of this company, Josh Abrams and Alan Murray, happen to be the main investors in Neucoin.
http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/stories/2006-07-16/the-plot-to-hijack-your-computer
http://www.benedelman.org/news/040706-1.html
http://techtalk.pcpitstop.com/2006/04/14/direct-revenue-greed-triumphs-over-decency/
https://www.ftc.gov/enforcement/cases-proceedings/052-3131/directrevenue-llc-et-al

Radio Airplay aka Jango
http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Radio-Airplay-aka-Jango/internet/Radio-Airplay-aka-Jango-DO-NOT-SPEND-1-WITH-THIS-SCAM-COMPANY-THEY-ARE-RIPPING-OFF-AR-1050532

Kaufman Properties aka Slumland
https://www.trustlink.org/Reviews/Kaufman-Properties-205954200
http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Kaufman-Properties/Van-Nuys-California-91401/Kaufman-Properties-slumlords-rent-ripoff-by-property-management-Reseda-California-117133

I feel like we're watching a magician at amateur hour.
Look at my left hand unfurl an impressive list of investors
while my right hand does a slick PnD.

now add lots of "stage assistants" (muppets) desperately trying to cover the "props" (anonymous and strawman offshores) and we've got a show!!  Cheesy

edit: added new links
legendary
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I'm having trouble believing nokoin really got $1M in presales.  Wouldn't there be more muppets posting about it?

I think they are just hoping for an epic PnD.
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BTC > etc
So it will be liquidated with it's capital of 12,500k Euro's run by a guy who's other activity is a "holding company" (Eljomino) with a capital of 1000 Euros (is that where the equity in Althouse resides now?) and anyone who sues will get to split the 13,500 Euros of capital stock for their trouble.

You are being too optimistic here
I don't think anyone gets a single cent. Remember your own post?

There is no trace of an "NEU Development Corporation LTD" on the Internet, and you have provided no links, and no names of (meat-bag) directors.

What you took a long time to say above is, quite clearly:  tax dodge, no names, no responsible people or entities to sue for malfeasance.  Seychelles?  Tax dodge.  Anonymity.  Isle of Man?  Tax Dodge.

Who are the directors?  Where is the equity?

I get it.  There is no equity.  The product (the coins) allow people to vote, but insiders hold a really large majority of the votes at the get-go, and there is nobody that can be put in jail when this whole thing crashes and burns on Cryptsy.  Your "friends and former co-workers and founders" who are in at a huge discount cash in 25% of their holdings which is an enormous multiple of the public float in the first year, and more so afterwards if there is anything left.

Althouse
Shell company created May 2014 simply to get things started: rent office space, register and pay employees, and other basic operational necessities in Paris where most of the team is based.
Seems to have no legal connection to presale or nokoins hence cannot be sued.

Neu Development
The typical strawperson. Created March 2015 for the $1M presale, based in in tax haven Seychelles.
Has no equity as all presale proceeds have been siphoned to the party below.

Anonymous
Shady entity which the team refuses to give any details, also based in Seychelles.
It holds all the presale bitcoins and presumably will hold all the profits from future dumps. Has no contractual relationship with buyers.

Foundations
Registered as non-profit in Isle Of Man, another tax haven, holding 80% of all coins in existence.
Foundations can give away free coins to whoever "helps nokoin" and are controlled by majority coin holders (read: team and first round investors)

They tried to have all bases covered
No tax. No legal responsibility. No need for further commitment once coin is released.
If you think they ignored buyers after presale, just see what will happen after launch!!

Once the shitcoin is issued, trading, and the pump and dump takes place, and all the millions in Bitcoin's safely stored offshore, the need for a corporate shell in France is gone.

Neu Development is also off the hook if the shitcoin is released in any shape and form before September 30
After launch, foundations slowly give away the coins to insiders, which can be vaguely justified as reward for "helping Nokoin grow". After coins are dumped the profits are sent to "anonymously held Seychelle's company, far from the French tax authorities and a very long arm's length away from Althouse and DanK and his girlfriend."

Trivia
Josh Abram and Alan Murray, top investors in nokoin and previously co-owners of infamous spyware company Direct Revenue together with Dan Kaufman, now own a company called "NeueHouse". Inspiration behind the names of Neucoin and Althouse??
They are opening a new office in London soon. Sandrine recently moved there and bought property. Merely coincidence?

Gotta get more popcorn ready

RealMalatesta, shame on you for talking about Althouse and forcing DanK to create all these sock puppets frantically trying to divert attention  Grin
Too bad for him he cannot delete posts here like in his own forum
To make things even better, new users seeking for information will reach here and quickly see through these extreme desperate actions from the team.
Great PR!!
legendary
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And here...

Foundations and council members:


NEUCOIN CODE FOUNDATION

Jonathan Yves Jean Gnassia

Mael Benjamin Nison

Sylvain Kauphy Roger Laurent


NEUCOIN GROWTH FOUNDATION

Sandrine Jacqueline Ayral

Mael Benjamin Nison

Ludovic Pierre Pouvreau


NEUCOIN UTILITY FOUNDATION

Jonathan Yves Jean Gnassia

Sylvain Kauphy Roger Laurent

Ludovic Pierre Pouvreau



https://www.gov.im/lib/docs/ded/companies/companiesReg/Foundations/foundationsactregister.pdf
legendary
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And here...

Hi Sandrine!

While you are here, care to address any of this:
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"May 6, 2014, Dan Kaufman was obviously in Paris. While being there, he established the company "Althouse Development", located at 3 Rue de Teheran in 75008 Paris.

May 14, this company was duly registered, with Daniel Louis Kaufman, born November 10, 1968, living at 1793 Country Lane, Quakertown, PA, USA. Well, not "Richlandtown" like the address he used for registering the company, but Quakertown.

However, he immedeately became president of the board of this company which paid 12500 Euro as stock capital on an account at "Société Général" in Paris.

October 24, Dan Kaufman resigned as a president and was replaced by Sandrine Ayral, born 1989.

She, too, didn't stay long and was replaced August 14 of this year by Jonathan Gnassia from the company Eljomino Venture."

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We have questions!  Material questions!

Why did you never tell us you were President of the company building Neucoin?  

Why are you NOT President anymore?

Why did Dan resign as President and make you President?

You were President of Neucoin all this time and kept it a secret!  What's up with that?

Who is this Jonathan Gnassia guy?  We don't see him Anywhere in the Neucoin documentation!  His other buisiness is "Holding Companies" and his business partner, Monsieur Thibaux is an expert in corporate Liquidations?

Three CEO's in a year and no product?

Why did none of the Neucoin documentation mention "Althouse Development":  managers of the Neucoin Project, quite obviously?  Why hiding it?

How about some straight answers?  Or is this all supposed to provide DanK with plausible deniability?  First, you where to be the scapegoat.  Then you fought with Dan about it, and he agreed to bring in a patsy with Liquidation experience to hide the bodies when this is over, saving your resume from this.

Why is this President of Althouse Development, NOT on your resume, or Linked-in Profile?

The Internet will remember.  Future Employers will be able to find all this and the incorporation papers and the material changes files.  This will follow you.  Why don't you fess up now to what is really going on?

How far am I off here?
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