Topic: [ANN] NeuCoin - Easy to use, free to try, focused on micropayments - Official - page 94. (Read 196221 times)

No. Serious projects do not care about bitcointalk anymore because this forum has clearly turned into a sad little joke with people that are forced to bash any new competing currency/project for fear of losing their investments in other coins. Anyone with even half a brain can make that out.

If you haven't noticed, ethereum devs too don't seem give two hoots about this troll city and I'm not surprised at all.

Yep.  And its easy for them to do that.

Once the pump begins, there will be a wave of "told you so"
ignoramuses looking at a rising price, laughing at us "trolls"
and any rational arguments will be swept under the rug.

Oh come on now, stop creating new accounts to spam here, we all know it is you Dan the spyware-pig
it just makes you look desperate

1. The list of rich and famous has been your answer for everything. "When lacking real argument just resort to dick-measuring"

You can keep copying and pasting that list everywhere but it ain't answering any of the issues we have presented here nor does it excuse all the failed promises so far
Just a fancy name list won't do anymore

and if envy is what drives us, we'd be posting dirt about real businessmen like Bill Gates and Warren Buffet
not some slumlord and spyware peddler

2. Wealthy investors have their money spread across a wide portfolio, some succeed some go bust
If I invest in something doesn't mean I am vouching for the project's promises nor the team's integrity, it just means I think it might bring me profit

as with with all shitcoins lacking innovation, it will go through a few cycles of pump and dump then fall into oblivion
no one will be blamed as it is just how it happens in crypto, right  
at the end of the day dump, the ones who profit the most are you and your lackeys


3. People might forget, the internet doesn't.
Your "reputation" is forever registered on the internet across multiple articles, forums, complaints, and lawsuits
Keep in mind that just like how people are finding online all these facts on you, in your future ventures people will easily find all that stuff + everything that has been said and done with nokoin.

You can't keep hiding forever behind a list of rich and famous (or anonymous and straw man offshores)
instead of solely relying on the reputation of others, you should start working towards building a better reputation for yourself

Emails Show Cozy Relationship Between NeuCoin and CoinTelegraph CEO

http://coinjournal.net/emails-show-cozy-relationship-between-neucoin-and-cointelegraph-ceo/

As previously communicated, all free NeuCoins earned by taking surveys and giving feedback will be awarded within one month of the launch date and be subject to user verification. Check your confirmation email for more details.

This! Pretty sure it's about convincing the media people who come here (which they are probably currently approaching).

Everyone seems fond of saying that, but it's really not. There are many IT projects that are completed on time and within budget. Particularly things that deal with compliance-related concerns.

In the case of Neucoin the delay was due to 1) either complete and total incompetence, or 2) some other unknown reason(s).

I suspect that it wasn't exclusively reason 1 because what they're doing is not really that significantly different from existing things out there. It could be that a lot of the core team are doing this as a part-time job, but even still, they're not really inventing the wheel here. What was the point of assembling the superstar team if not to get things done on time?

Reason 2 makes much more sense to me, particularly when you think of this as a big PnD. More time needed to get the exchanges up and tune the communication from those involved that we will see huge amounts of upon launch. Remember, the audience here is not really the main target. For something like this to really succeed, they have to bring people into Neucoin that have never been involved in crypto. Even those who bought into the pre-sale, if they happen to sell during the price spike, can lend further support to the underlying message that you *might* get rich quick if you buy a little of this stuff. In the meantime, you can tip Marilyn Rose for some bullshit song.

That's an incompetence and communication problem.

Great! I like thought exercises.

Here's a thought exercise for you. Do those of you from Neucoin who are coming here and making all of these new ids really think you're convincing the community here?


Bernie Madoff was rich, smart and well-connected. He had a reputation to protect. He was also a scammer and is in prison.

Allen Stanford was rich, smart, and well-connected. He had a reputation to protect. He was also a scammer and is in prison.

Maybe you should think this through a bit more. Being rich, smart, connected, and having a reputation does not preclude scamming. In fact, I suspect that many of those Venn diagrams would show significant overlap.

As someone else said a while back, "since when do rich people not want to make more money?"

You might also want to consider as part of your thought exercise that if this is a scam, that perhaps many of the people listed on Neucoin's site are potentially victims rather than participants.


How anyone compares here to these people is irrelevant and likely not provable.

Again, you might want to think this through. It's as if you are saying that simply because a bunch of people are rich and successful that we need to follow their lead and do what they do? I know a lot of rich people that are complete dumbasses.


I think the point of a for-profit business in many cases is to generate an acceptable return as quickly as possible. Particularly if you're an angel investor in new technology.


I've been open here about my involvement. I've said that I don't believe this is a straight-up take-the-money-and-run scam. I do think it is likely a PnD. I don't necessarily see PnD as a "scam", but different people will view that differently. Unethical sure, but everyone has different moral compasses. I suspect that a well-orchestrated PnD that's going to make these people a quick couple of million, with very little to no upfront risk would be exactly the type of thing they'd be interested in. These people could give two-shits about the long-term success of Neucoin, when they make their money on the price spike within the 1st two months.

You don't get jokes do you ?

That's more an unfortunate problem of IT projects.

Are you stupid? You already said.


Since they already have repeatedly over-promised and under-delivered, and even attempted to scrub their past by modified posts on their own forum, this was simply a reminder.

If they're so easy to use, and free to try, why haven't I received my reward coins? 

It was nice knowing you, nocoin.

Damn, I see why it's a scam now !

Remind me of http://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations

For the spyware thing, I still believe in the human nature so I might turn the other cheek even if that shit was hard to remove.

Well... we already know about a couple of those angels who did so (together with founder Dan Kaufman)...

http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/stories/2006-07-16/the-plot-to-hijack-your-computer




BTW: Merely coincidence?

This one


is different from the old one:

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However

Sandrine promised


promised


promised

I recommend a thought exercise for everyone on this board hollering that Neucoin is a scam.

The first part is going to hurt if you have few accomplishments and a big ego, but suck it up and force yourself to read the list of Neucoin’s angel investors. They’re at the bottom of this post.

These people are seriously accomplished. They are rich. They are smart. They are connected. They have reputations. They know the Neucoin management team or otherwise they wouldn’t invest as angels.

Now two questions for you:
 
1. How do you compare to these angels? Your accomplishments, your network, your reputation, your skills as an investor?

2. Do you really think that these investors and this team would try to pull a short term scam to make a couple million bucks. Maybe YOU would do that. But these angels wouldn’t. That’s not how they operate and it’s not how they got where they are.


Now for the second part of the thought exercise.

Try (it’ll be ok, it’s just an exercise…) to take what the Neucoin team is saying at face value. Go read their 40 page strategic plan (it’s a great read and very informative) Yes of course they are trying to make money… but by creating value through work over time, you know, the normal way for successful people. Due to the sales restrictions on founder and angel coins, they only profit if Neucoin is valuable over the long term.

Is your suspicious mind tricking you again? Is it saying “if it were me, I could get around the sales restrictions and cash out fast... if it were me, I’d figure a way to rob the foundations... If it were me...” If that’s what your mind is saying, they are the opposite of you. They’re already rich and they have reputations to protect.

I hope this thought exercise worked for at least a few of you. If it didn’t, admit it, you’re too lazy to read the plan. Or maybe you’re too envious to even think clearly. Which one is it for you Tibanne?



Josh Abram
Co-founder, Co-CEO, Neuehouse, premier co-working/hospitality provider valued at $180M; previously founder, Dstillery, ad tech firm with $100M annual revenues, Integral Ad Sciences, ad tech firm with $50M annual revenues.

Markus Alderback
Founder and CEO of leading booking software MrOrange, MrJet (acquired by Ebookers/Orbitz), founder of Jetweb, Jetset, Trippa, Badoo, and many more.

Olga Bartnicki
CRO of LiveAuctioneers; previously founded Livelook (acquired by Oracle); former VP Allen & Co.

Henrik Dahlback
Investor and corporate finance advisor, former Director of Leveraged Finance at Merrill Lynch; previously Morgan Stanley Dean Witter.

Michael Daun
Founder/CEO of game developer Wellevue. Founder and former CEO of cloud-based viral video marketing platform Incloode. Co-founder of the Spray group, including pan-European interactive agency network Spray, which merged with Razorfish and listed on NASDAQ as the world's largest interactive services firm with an eventual $5B valuation, and Spray Network (pan-European portal sold to Lycos Europe for $572M). Board member of marketing services software developer Wendia International and real-time video software company Arkaos.

Anders Ehrenblad
Partner, Graviton Investment & Capital Advisers, an investment and corporate finance firm. Founder and former investment manager of tech/energy VC fund Alpha One. Board member of Maha Energy, RF Coverage, Eu-Supply Holdings, Widespace, PiaCare and Debitech.

Josh Engroff
Managing Partner at KBS+ Ventures, Chief Digital Media Officer at the Media Kitchen, previously VP of Billboard.

Bill and Gideon Friedman
Real estate investors owning over $1B of assets; Bill was previously founder and CEO of Tarragon Corporation.

David Frykman
Private equity investor in property, internet and retail. Board member of fashion brand Acne Jeans, Sweden's leading insurance broker Insplanet, online grocery retailer Matsmart.

Rob Goldman
Head of Growth at Facebook (responsible for "ads in your timeline"); formerly Founder of Swaylo (acquired by Facebook); previously General Manager of Shopping.com.

Toby Gorman
Producer of top television shows American Idol, Hollywood Game Night, The Winner Is, Celebrity Family Feud and Britain's Missing Top Model.

Pal Hodann
Private equity investor, material holdings in leading HR software company GlobeSoft and publicly traded packaging company Fasty, board member of publicly traded global communications consultancy Intellecta.

Michael Hudgins
Managing Director & Global Strategist, EII Capital Management; previously Executive Director, JPMorgan investment management; VP - Strategic Planning, Lend Lease.

Nicholas Högberg
CEO, Swedish subsidiary of 3 (Three), the world's largest 3G mobile operator with 27 million customers. Chairman of online ad production platform Bannerflow, 2013 Swedish "Telecom manager of the year" award, former CEO Vodafone Stores Sweden and CEO Campuz Mobile.

Johan Ihrfelt
Founder and CEO, renewable energy conglomerate OX2; co-founder of the Spray group, including pan-European interactive agency network Spray, which merged with Razorfish (where Johan was also EVP) and listed on NASDAQ as the world's largest interactive services firm with an eventual $5B valuation, and Spray Network (pan-European portal sold to Lycos Europe for $572M), where Johan also served as CEO.

Henrik Kjellberg
President of Hotwire, Chairman of eLong (Nasdaq-traded leading Chinese travel company), former President and VP positions at Expedia.

David Lerner
Professor of Entrepreneurship, Columbia University Graduate School of Business; Director, Columbia University Entrepreneurship; Director, Venture Lab, Columbia University Technology Ventures; previously founded several health care and technology ventures.

Ori Mace
CEO of leading web agency Acne Digital, founder and former Chief Creative Officer of leading Swedish web agency Starsky, acquired by top ad agency network McCann.

Adam McNicol
Founding partner of Fintan Partners, hedge fund with over $1B of assets; previously Founder of AM Wealth Management.

Emil Michael
SVP of Business at Uber; previously COO Klout, Senior Vice President, Tellme Networks, Special Assistant to the US Secretary of Defense, Investment Banking Associate, Goldman Sachs.

Alan Murray
Co-founder, Co-CEO, Neuehouse, premier co-working/hospitality provider valued at $180M; previously founder, Dstillery, ad tech firm with $100M annual revenues, Integral Ad Sciences, ad tech firm with $50M annual revenues.

Henrik Hancke Nielsen
Executive Producer at FremantleMedia North America, one of the world's largest TV production companies, shows include X-Factor, The Apprentice, the Idol and Got Talent franchises, The Price Is Right, and Family Feud.

David Perez
Co-founder of Convertro, an online marketing optimization platform sold to AOL for $101M; previously founded numerous online marketing and online dating companies.

Tom Phillips
CEO of Dstillery, leading ad technology firm; previously Director of Search and Analytics, Google; CEO of Deja.com; President ESPN Internet Ventures; Founder/CEO of Spy Magazine.

Andreas Reutercrona
Head of Customer Experience at Magine TV, a leading European cloud-based TV broadcast platform. Former Head of Sales and Service at IF, the largest insurance group in Scandinavia, with 6,800 employees and 3.6 million customers.

Ted Rogers
Chief Strategy Officer, XAPO (Bitcoin wallet that has received $40M of VC capital); previously, co-founder, general partner of Arpex Capital; co-founder Vidavee, sold to Vignette.

Daniel Sachs
CEO of investment company Proventus. Awarded "Young Global Leader" at World Economic Forum in Davos. Chairman of Nordic Broadcasting Oy, Artek, Tom Dixon, Royal Swedish Dramatic Theatre. Member of the European Council on Foreign Relations and the Advisory Boards of Sotheby's and Maiyet.

Christophe Salanon
Managing Director of online dating service Meetic ($440M IPO in 2005, acquired by IAC for $489M in 2011); Co-founder of group buying site Groupolitan, sold to Rossel, Belgium's largest media group. Board member of Viadeo, Vinogusto, Forecastis.

Richard Silen
Partner at Alipes, private equity company controlled by IKEA founder Ingvar Kamprad.

Calle Sjoenell
Chief Creative Officer, top advertising agency Lowe Brindfors; previously Chief Creative Officer at Ogilvy & Mather New York, world top 5 ad agency network. Ex Creative Director of top agencies BBH and Fallon.

Bjorn Soderstrom
Co-founder and former CEO of Mediaplanet North America and Conversionplanet, leading content marketing company with 400 employees in 15 countries. Founder and Exec Chairman of Rchery, startup mobile direct marketing platform.

Patrik Stymne
Co-founder and Chief Architect, King.com, NASDAQ-traded leading mobile game developer (Candy Crush Saga, largest game developer on Facebook, $4.5B valuation); co-founder of the Spray group, including pan-European interactive agency network Spray, which merged with Razorfish and listed on NASDAQ as the world's largest interactive services firm with an eventual $5B valuation, and Spray Network, a pan-European portal sold to Lycos Europe for $572M.

Henrik Sundgren
Top commercial film director, award winning commercials for Audi, VW, Coca-Cola, Burger King, Amazon, Volvo, Comcast, etc.

Jonas Svensson
Owner of MondoMedia, YouTube’s number one animation channel. Chairman of Talent Inc. Co-founder of the Spray group, including pan-European interactive agency network Spray, which merged with Razorfish (where Jonas also served as EVP and Vice Chairman) and listed on NASDAQ as the world's largest interactive services firm with an eventual $5B valuation, and Spray Network (pan-European portal sold to Lycos Europe for $572M); co-founder of Lovefilm, the Netflix of Europe, acquired by Amazon. Former owner and board member of Hyper Island, former Chairman of Acne.

Per Zachariassen
Producer of top television shows X-Factor, Eurovision Song Contest 2014, Talent and many more.

Since the launch was delayed that will probably be delayed too then...

This is a new handle that will be shared by multiple members of the NeuCoin Project team used primarily to post information from NeuCoin.org that answers questions raised on this thread.

Point #1: the Foundations cannot vote with the NeuCoins that they own.
Point #2: the Foundations will distribute enough NeuCoins during the year after launch, mostly to consumers, but also to service providers that increase the value and utility of NeuCoin, that by the end of year one the NeuCoin Project team will own far short of a majority of outstanding coins.
Point #3: since at the end of year one, the Project team will still own most of the NeuCoins that they started with and can only sell their remaining NeuCoins slowly (on account of sale restrictions), it's logical that they will continue to act and vote their NeuCoins in such a way as to maximize their long-term value.

More details on governance below from http://www.neucoin.org/en/wiki/#direct-democracy

Direct Democracy and Accountability

Each foundation will be managed by an Executive Director and overseen by Council Members whose compensation packages are tightly linked to the growth in the market capitalization of NeuCoin. Furthermore, each foundation has an “Enforcer,” whose oversight role is to ensure that the Council Members are following the objectives and rules of the foundation and the results of coin holder votes as discussed below.

The initial Council Members were recruited and appointed by NeuCoin’s founders and will serve for an initial term of three years. In the first year, the Council Members will be primarily composed of members of the NeuCoin Project team (however not founders). By the end of year one, the foundations will each recruit two independent Council Members and some of the NeuCoin Project team Council Members will resign from the Councils. After the first term, Council Members will stand for re-election for consecutive three year terms.

Within a year after launch, NeuCoin holders will effectively take full control of the NeuCoin foundations. Using a voting mechanism currently under development by the NeuCoin Code Foundation, NeuCoin holders will be able to “vote their coins” (1 NeuCoin = 1 vote). With a majority vote, coin holders will be able to:

Remove Council Members and Enforcers
Change the compensation of Council Members and Enforcers
Change the Foundation Rules
Change the Budget
Force the Council Members and Enforcers to take any action that a majority of coin holders believes will increase the value of NeuCoin
Note that the NeuCoin Code Foundation, with the support of the founding team, is committed to launching the voting mechanism as soon as possible after the creation of the cryptocurrency. The founding team faces severe financial penalties if the voting mechanism isn’t operational within a year for any reason.

Role of Founders and Project Team 

Upon creating the decentralized cryptocurrency, the NeuCoin Project’s four founders are donating NeuCoin’s source code and the 2.8 billion pre-mined coins to the NeuCoin foundations. 200 million sale-restricted coins are retained by the founders and other members of the NeuCoin Project team in exchange for contributing over $1,000,000 of unpaid work from March 2014 through the time of launch in the summer of 2015 (value of $.005 per coin).

While the founders led the NeuCoin Project during its development phase, they are relinquishing control of the decentralized cryptocurrency upon its launch and will not serve as Council Members or Enforcers of any of the foundations or their subsidiaries or affiliates. However, the founders have committed to continue working for the NeuCoin Project for three years after launch, providing marketing, business and technology development services. The foundations have set aside an additional 300 million sale-restricted coins (plus PoS awards earned on these coins) to release to the founders over the three years following launch as compensation for their providing an additional $2.25 million of unpaid work (value of $.0075 per coin). Note that if the foundations fail to institute the voting mechanism described below within one year of launch, the founders forfeit their rights to receive the remaining 200 million coins.

@Sandrine, remember the promise you made!

Yeah but I would not launch a rocket to the moon and expect it land on hope if you see what I mean

And for what's on the plan, that's if everything goes well, you know... It's the future

Plus: History will tell anyway.