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sr. member
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There is actually a weak link in PayPie compare to Populous.

Populous has Poken for internal exchange, pegged to fiats; PayPie has Pie coin for the same purpose.

But there is one advantage Populous has that PayPie has not.

PayPie requires the SMEs to submit their financials to the blockchain in order to sell their invoices, but this is not the weakest link.
The weakest link is the company that owes the SME selling the invoice!
The SME has absolutely nothing to do with it if the company does not want to settle the invoice.
If I owe you money, and you issue an invoice for that, and you sell that invoice to Mr. Noob, and I choose not to pay you, you have no worries because you already got the money from selling the invoice.
It's the buyer (Mr. Noob) that will suffer if I don't pay.
The SME submitting its financials to the blockchain is completely irrelevant.
Putting a risk score on the SME that sells the invoice is also irrelevant.
Putting a risk score on the customer that owe the SME is also irrelevant, because ultimately the SME wants the business.
In a world of stiff competition, the SMEs have no luxury to cherry-pick which customer to sell to, regardless of their risk scores.
Many here claim to be accountants, but I am surprised why they can't see through this weak link.
This is a risk of default.
Populous already solved this from the very start.

Edit:
The factoring industry is lucrative, and that's because bulk of it is related to consumer debt (sold pennies on the dollar), not corporate debt.
And recovery is usually through persistent threats.
This won't work with corporate figures.

Lots of SMEs will love this because they can finally unload their junk invoices to gullible buyers willing to bid up the price for such junk.
sr. member
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For me this project looks like a big experiment. I hope that ICO will be a success and then in Q1 2018 we'll see the results. The business model looks promising and I'll be closely watching Paypie in 2018.
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So many posts in here without any value. Would be happy if people would bring back some challenging and constructive discussions into this thread again.

There isn't much to say anymore, we're waiting for pre-sale announcement and 15th october for ICO start. If you want we can discuss on this maybe https://www.theguardian.com/money/2017/feb/14/credit-rating-remortgage-equifax-experian-callcredit .No more mistakes with PayPie Wink

Not sure if we can immediately say that there will be no more mistakes, but the basis will be a lot more secure at least. The blockchain itself has proven that it's quite unhackable, but projects build on top of it can still contain flaws. With Equifax it really also was human error, didn't somebody have a super basic login/password?
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when to wait for the exchange of coins?
ICO not over and people start asking for exchange listings. Just give the team the time they need to developd a good product insead of waiting to instadump your tokens as fast as possible.

Well, that's how the market is now. People willing to invest waiting immediate returns. That's how it is, and it allows projects to raise important funds so they must play the game too.

Indeed, dumping the coins after release on exchanges. Happens with every ICO and then.... after some weeks the price went x15 and then they keep banging there heads agains the wall Cheesy

Paypie is a project for a long hold! Hold your investments and you will have a huge profit after some years.
This project is unique and will be added on exchanges soon after ICO

Pretty much every recent project required you to hold coins long term since they usually dont have working platforms to show in the beginning.
I dont really like this trend but i guess you cant do it differently.
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So many posts in here without any value. Would be happy if people would bring back some challenging and constructive discussions into this thread again.

There isn't much to say anymore, we're waiting for pre-sale announcement and 15th october for ICO start. If you want we can discuss on this maybe https://www.theguardian.com/money/2017/feb/14/credit-rating-remortgage-equifax-experian-callcredit .No more mistakes with PayPie Wink

There are some open questions still. For example I thought the remark about collateral was interesting.

Will PayPie's credit risk score algorithm be enough to protect invoice buyers from defaults?

Who dares to be the first invoice buyer when the algorithm does not have enough data to base a score on, and how do you build up a credit score as an invoice seller who is just starting out?


Banks are okay with that because they demand collateral to secure the loan.

But what will help secure invoice buyers from invoices sold at PayPie that will default?

The PayPie platform is centered around transparency, credit scores and smart contracts. Here are some key quotes from the whitepaper:

PayPie's credit scoring data will be indicating and assessing the risk of invoice default so that buyers can make educated decisions.

To prevent defaults, all parties involved will be able to rate each other at the end of the transaction and this history will be recorded on the immutable Ethereum blockchain to build a Decentralized Trust and Transparency Rating (DTTR) so that others can make well-informed lending decisions. Smart contracts will automatically amend each party’s trust rating according to an algorithm after completion of the lending process.

For example, if a smart contract can be written between an investor and an invoice seller to say that once the seller is victorious in reaching a particular credit score in PayPie platform, 80% of the funds will be released to the invoice seller.


I suppose you would be right to say that there is no mention of physical or monetary collateral. The main collateral appears to be their credit score and their reputation. If an invoice seller defaults that will be for everyone to see forever.
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How do I understand this will be something like a global ledger with the possibility to consult and obtaining financial information using their tokens?
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when to wait for the exchange of coins?
ICO not over and people start asking for exchange listings. Just give the team the time they need to developd a good product insead of waiting to instadump your tokens as fast as possible.

Well, that's how the market is now. People willing to invest waiting immediate returns. That's how it is, and it allows projects to raise important funds so they must play the game too.

Indeed, dumping the coins after release on exchanges. Happens with every ICO and then.... after some weeks the price went x15 and then they keep banging there heads agains the wall Cheesy

Paypie is a project for a long hold! Hold your investments and you will have a huge profit after some years.
This project is unique and will be added on exchanges soon after ICO

Yes, I agree, Paypie looks promising at the moment. But how exactly will grow their business only time will tell. I have some doubts that they will have a lot of customers in the beginning.
At first they should start with small companies and after they got some reputation bigger companies will also start to use it.
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So many posts in here without any value. Would be happy if people would bring back some challenging and constructive discussions into this thread again.

There isn't much to say anymore, we're waiting for pre-sale announcement and 15th october for ICO start. If you want we can discuss on this maybe https://www.theguardian.com/money/2017/feb/14/credit-rating-remortgage-equifax-experian-callcredit .No more mistakes with PayPie Wink
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Looks like an interesting project, I will have a look at this in the next time. I will have a look at the team behind the project and I will do some other researches Smiley
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So many posts in here without any value. Would be happy if people would bring back some challenging and constructive discussions into this thread again.
legendary
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Just came across this one this week.

Great so far guys!  Would love to get involved in doing some more for you guys across social media.

Let us know if you're interested!

 Grin

I also can offer more promotion on Twitter. My account is twitter.com/yeswepump and had 5500+ crypto followers

full member
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when to wait for the exchange of coins?
ICO not over and people start asking for exchange listings. Just give the team the time they need to developd a good product insead of waiting to instadump your tokens as fast as possible.

Well, that's how the market is now. People willing to invest waiting immediate returns. That's how it is, and it allows projects to raise important funds so they must play the game too.

Indeed, dumping the coins after release on exchanges. Happens with every ICO and then.... after some weeks the price went x15 and then they keep banging there heads agains the wall Cheesy

Paypie is a project for a long hold! Hold your investments and you will have a huge profit after some years.
This project is unique and will be added on exchanges soon after ICO

Yes, I agree, Paypie looks promising at the moment. But how exactly will grow their business only time will tell. I have some doubts that they will have a lot of customers in the beginning.
There is no doubt for me about it , this project has become very popular everywhere even before the crowdsale begins.
hero member
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There is a lot of interest in the project in the forum. I hope this interest continues in the ico period . Do you intend to cooperate with any firm about consulting? like the big four companies in deloitte

The interest came massively thanks to the inclusion of Anthony, co-founder of ethereum, and the subsequent videos and social media that came over this; they probably will be getting request from different companies from different sectors, banking, consulting, insurance, etc.

Anthony is a huge name to add to the team. Its a person that is on many peoples "watchlist" to see what he is up to next. Hopefully this is going to crush as an ICO!

For sure. I think a lot of people already knew Paypie would be huge, but his addition is taking it to a whole new level.

It would be better to think that PAYPIE has got the attention and interest of Anthony, that is why he is part of the team now Smiley
newbie
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Just came across this one this week.

Great so far guys!  Would love to get involved in doing some more for you guys across social media.

Let us know if you're interested!

 Grin
newbie
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is there a escrow for the ICO?
Yes, about the escrow account the following is said:
-   Tokens allocated to the team will be locked up for a period of 12 months. This ensures that the team solely focus its effort on making the PayPie platform grow.

this also applies tokens for advisors, etc? Or only for team tokens?

'Team' includes founders, advisors as well as any other team members.

this is great. atleast they will be focusing on the project and not on the money they will be raised.
hero member
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when to wait for the exchange of coins?
ICO not over and people start asking for exchange listings. Just give the team the time they need to developd a good product insead of waiting to instadump your tokens as fast as possible.

Well, that's how the market is now. People willing to invest waiting immediate returns. That's how it is, and it allows projects to raise important funds so they must play the game too.

Indeed, dumping the coins after release on exchanges. Happens with every ICO and then.... after some weeks the price went x15 and then they keep banging there heads agains the wall Cheesy

Paypie is a project for a long hold! Hold your investments and you will have a huge profit after some years.
This project is unique and will be added on exchanges soon after ICO

Yes, I agree, Paypie looks promising at the moment. But how exactly will grow their business only time will tell. I have some doubts that they will have a lot of customers in the beginning.
sr. member
Activity: 630
Merit: 276
when to wait for the exchange of coins?
ICO not over and people start asking for exchange listings. Just give the team the time they need to developd a good product insead of waiting to instadump your tokens as fast as possible.

Well, that's how the market is now. People willing to invest waiting immediate returns. That's how it is, and it allows projects to raise important funds so they must play the game too.

Indeed, dumping the coins after release on exchanges. Happens with every ICO and then.... after some weeks the price went x15 and then they keep banging there heads agains the wall Cheesy

Paypie is a project for a long hold! Hold your investments and you will have a huge profit after some years.
This project is unique and will be added on exchanges soon after ICO
full member
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Merit: 100
when to wait for the exchange of coins?
ICO not over and people start asking for exchange listings. Just give the team the time they need to developd a good product insead of waiting to instadump your tokens as fast as possible.

Well, that's how the market is now. People willing to invest waiting immediate returns. That's how it is, and it allows projects to raise important funds so they must play the game too.
sr. member
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sure when the ico end,the dev will plane to list it in some exchages :)do not worry
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This ICO is so hyped up, I bet it will be sold out within hours if not minutes.
And a majority of you guys may not even get in.

Edit:
Sorry, was meant to say... "And a majority of you guys may not even able to get in."

I've thought this too. There's A LOT of people excited about this one. It will be interesting to see how they do the pre-sale. If it's a free for all it could be a cluster.

I think this prediction is to optimistic for the current state that cryptocurrencies are in. I believe ICO will be successful but recently almost no project reached their hard cap.
But i still agree, that this might be one of the most successful ICOs in recent weeks.
But this is different because it has a team with a lot of reputation, many other projects consist out of unknown people who don't lose reputation if the project fails.
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