[ANN] Qora | Released 16 May | 100% POS | New Source - page 127.

dzarmush

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Quote from: PondSea on July 25, 2014, 07:08:17 AM

Why not ask Qora what he wants to do?

There is no reason why he would lock this thread on purpose so i dont understand all this BS it has generated.

It just showed fragility of the system. Just imagine that the thread is locked and Qora disapeared for a week for some reason. The price may fall to zero and everybody will be in panic. That's not the most healthy way to run a coin.

rlh

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Quote from: dzarmush on July 25, 2014, 07:27:12 AM

I created a poll.

Name: first voting on the source

Please vote, Qora people. Let's hear the voice of the community.

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Quote from: rlh on July 25, 2014, 07:18:45 AM

As an aside, now is a great time to buy. Someone just handed me 10M @ 25. Wow! That was my "good luck and good night" bid.

I've put a few million stacked on the sale side for short-term profitability, so that I can increase my stake. FYI, I only entered QORA a couple weeks ago. People who might try to complain about distribution need to realize, people are spreading the wealth and I'm proof.

Nice score!

One thing that I've noticed is that the QORA market is pretty slow moving. This is because it isn't attracting to many new people. If qora, and the rest of the supporters want to build in new features and make sure that the source is solid, this is a good state to be in. We want supporters, and some new enterers, but we don't want to rush marketing until we have something that remarkably stands out.

With that stated, it looks like someone is dumping this morning. I will hold off personally speculating why, but there are two general reasons-- an early stakeholder is cashing out and moving on, or someone is inciting volatility with hopes of picking up a lot of cheap QORA under some value they see as "cheap". It's tought to say which is occuring but, never the less, if you are in on QORA, these unsuspecting selloffs are the time to stop waiting and the time to start buying buy putting in low buy orders (i.e. DO NOT eat the sell book.) If the latter scenario is the case, suspect a pump to come in, in days or weeks (depends on the aggressiveness of the investor.)

twospirit

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Quote from: dzarmush on July 25, 2014, 07:27:12 AM

I created a poll.

Name: first voting on the source

Please vote, Qora people. Let's hear the voice of the community.

creator: QRhPStz6C4C4MBgC9kmbUbJRQdGsZqe1EK

Viper1

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Quote from: dzarmush on July 25, 2014, 07:03:26 AM

Everyone sees what he wants to see.

Exactly, which is the point I was making. The wording is vague as you have people that want it to be open source and then you have what the discussion was actually about.

Quote from: dzarmush on July 25, 2014, 07:03:26 AM

You missed two other options, did you?

No, I didn't. What do you think anyone not in the thread and just seeing it show up in a poll would think? They'd simply think "open source".

Fact is, I know what you were talking about and what the concerns are. But it should be clear to you by now from the reaction that others were thinking purely open source. Words are a funny thing and it's sometimes better to completely change them.

1. Source code remains in the hands of Qora until full release to the public.
2. Source code put in the hands of trusted members for security purposes at Qora's discretion.

That's really all that this entire thing was about.

dzarmush

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I created a poll.

Name: first voting on the source

Please vote, Qora people. Let's hear the voice of the community.

Ingatqhvq

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I think we could have a vote with 3 options:
I) Source must remain closed for now
II) Source must be open to a few selected trusted users
III) Source must be completely open

Vote 2.

rlh

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As an aside, now is a great time to buy. Someone just handed me 10M @ 25. Wow! That was my "good luck and good night" bid.

I've put a few million stacked on the sale side for short-term profitability, so that I can increase my stake. FYI, I only entered QORA a couple weeks ago. People who might try to complain about distribution need to realize, people are spreading the wealth and I'm proof.

dzarmush

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Quote from: twospirit on July 25, 2014, 07:08:58 AM

Quote from: dzarmush on July 25, 2014, 06:46:16 AM

Quote from: -spaw- on July 25, 2014, 06:31:52 AM

I see no reason to go open source yet. Qora has delivered time and time again. If he really wanted to run a scam, he would be gone! He already has all the BTC! He would have nothing to gain by continuing to develop a scam coin. Qora, the coin and developer are legitimate.

There are some projects in discussion as Dzarmush mentioned. Just because it's not OS doesn't mean other projects can't be created using this coin as a platform. The API is available for anyone who is interested in creating a project.

Going open source would only serve to allay community fears in the short term. Becoming open source is the goal, but there is a right time and a wrong time to do so.

spaw

I don't get why some people are talking about open source. Nobody asked for that and nobody wants it. Also nobody thinks qora might run away. Where did you get that? )

some investors called for OS. But Qora said before that he doesn't care about investors Grin

I only saw Kora and his puppets calling for it.

twospirit

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Quote from: dzarmush on July 25, 2014, 06:46:16 AM

Quote from: -spaw- on July 25, 2014, 06:31:52 AM

I see no reason to go open source yet. Qora has delivered time and time again. If he really wanted to run a scam, he would be gone! He already has all the BTC! He would have nothing to gain by continuing to develop a scam coin. Qora, the coin and developer are legitimate.

There are some projects in discussion as Dzarmush mentioned. Just because it's not OS doesn't mean other projects can't be created using this coin as a platform. The API is available for anyone who is interested in creating a project.

Going open source would only serve to allay community fears in the short term. Becoming open source is the goal, but there is a right time and a wrong time to do so.

spaw

I don't get why some people are talking about open source. Nobody asked for that and nobody wants it. Also nobody thinks qora might run away. Where did you get that? )

some investors called for OS. But Qora said before that he doesn't care about investors Grin

PondSea

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Why not ask Qora what he wants to do?

There is no reason why he would lock this thread on purpose so i dont understand all this BS it has generated.

dzarmush

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Quote from: rabbiter on July 25, 2014, 07:01:35 AM

a vote need option IV) release the code in a specific date and set a date.
personally the whole thing is dangerous cause communities rarely make sensible decisions based on long term wisdom.

Stop posting bullshit, will you? Long term wisdom, specific date... You're just flooding the thread.

dzarmush

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Quote from: -spaw- on July 25, 2014, 06:59:27 AM

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Back on topic, this thread closing incident has got me thinking we only have one single secretive developer and no source code.
I think we could have a vote with 3 options:
I) Source must remain closed for now
II) Source must be open to a few selected trusted users
III) Source must be completely open

DZ, see option three. I'm simply stating that I am opposed to this option

I'm also generally against the community trying to force Qora's hand.

Every thinking person is opposed to this option, that's why we didn't even take it into consideration.

dzarmush

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Quote from: Viper1 on July 25, 2014, 06:56:54 AM

Quote from: dzarmush on July 25, 2014, 06:46:16 AM

Quote from: -spaw- on July 25, 2014, 06:31:52 AM

I see no reason to go open source yet. Qora has delivered time and time again. If he really wanted to run a scam, he would be gone! He already has all the BTC! He would have nothing to gain by continuing to develop a scam coin. Qora, the coin and developer are legitimate.

There are some projects in discussion as Dzarmush mentioned. Just because it's not OS doesn't mean other projects can't be created using this coin as a platform. The API is available for anyone who is interested in creating a project.

Going open source would only serve to allay community fears in the short term. Becoming open source is the goal, but there is a right time and a wrong time to do so.

spaw

I don't get why some people are talking about open source. Nobody asked for that and nobody wants it. Also nobody thinks qora might run away. Where did you get that? )

ummm.. The poll you suggested someone create was all about open source, especially option 3.. Doesn't matter what the "real" discussion was about, the poll just said open source.

Everyone sees what he wants to see. You missed two other options, did you?

I don't think there is a single person who cares about Qora would vote for making it open source right now, but I'd make it one of options for two reasons.
1. What's the point to make a poll with 1 option. We need to know what the community thinks.
2. Even if majority chooses the third option it doesn't mean we have to do it. It just a poll. It's not a law or something. Voting system is a good instrument to check what the community thinks on the subject.

rabbiter

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Quote from: -spaw- on July 25, 2014, 06:59:27 AM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Back on topic, this thread closing incident has got me thinking we only have one single secretive developer and no source code.
I think we could have a vote with 3 options:
I) Source must remain closed for now
II) Source must be open to a few selected trusted users
III) Source must be completely open

DZ, see option three. I'm simply stating that I am opposed to this option

I'm also generally against the community trying to force Qora's hand.

a vote need option IV) release the code in a specific date and set a date.

personally the whole thing is dangerous cause communities rarely make sensible decisions based on long term wisdom.

-spaw-

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Quote from: ?? on ??

Back on topic, this thread closing incident has got me thinking we only have one single secretive developer and no source code.
I think we could have a vote with 3 options:
I) Source must remain closed for now
II) Source must be open to a few selected trusted users
III) Source must be completely open

DZ, see option three. I'm simply stating that I am opposed to this option

I'm also generally against the community trying to force Qora's hand.

rabbiter

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Quote from: -spaw- on July 25, 2014, 06:47:36 AM

Quote from: rabbiter on July 25, 2014, 06:34:34 AM

Quote from: -spaw- on July 25, 2014, 06:31:52 AM

I see no reason to go open source yet. Qora has delivered time and time again. If he really wanted to run a scam, he would be gone! He already has all the BTC! He would have nothing to gain by continuing to develop a scam coin. Qora, the coin and developer are legitimate.

There are some projects in discussion as Dzarmush mentioned. Just because it's not OS doesn't mean other projects can't be created using this coin as a platform. The API is available for anyone who is interested in creating a project.

Going open source would only serve to allay community fears in the short term. Becoming open source is the goal, but there is a right time and a wrong time to do so.

spaw

agree.....but you must admit we can't wait too long just like we can't do it too quickly and as far as I can see the wrong reasons like justifying ourselves. You release as a matter of principle in a confident way not out of fear.

I just see no point in even raising the issue. It will be open source when it's open source. Why back the developer into a corner? Calling for open source before Qora is ready to release it, is just fear mongering. Creating votes won't solve anything? If the community votes for open source, it is still up to the developer if he chooses to do so or not. What happens if the we vote for open source but he doesn't release it because he knows it's not ready? What would that do to the community and the coin? So in my opinion, there isn't even a discussion here. Stop putting Qora in an awkward position by calling for open source before it's ready. Let him release it in his own time.

Granted, open source is an absolute must, but I trust the developer to do it when it's ready, not just because the community wants it.

spaw

The reality for those who have followed Qora form the start know that Qora was by default going to release the SC but just wanted a bit of time to establish the coin as the code was simple to code.

It was actually the community of a few people that pushed Qpra into a corner and told him they didn't want to go OS.

Take it as good or bad but Qora seems a very flexible amiable guy and on a few major directions he has changed due to community pressure. So what we have now is the result of community pressure in terms of SC release and also the plan for marketing. Like I said good or bad, that how the land lies.

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Quote from: dzarmush on July 25, 2014, 06:46:16 AM

Quote from: -spaw- on July 25, 2014, 06:31:52 AM

I see no reason to go open source yet. Qora has delivered time and time again. If he really wanted to run a scam, he would be gone! He already has all the BTC! He would have nothing to gain by continuing to develop a scam coin. Qora, the coin and developer are legitimate.

There are some projects in discussion as Dzarmush mentioned. Just because it's not OS doesn't mean other projects can't be created using this coin as a platform. The API is available for anyone who is interested in creating a project.

Going open source would only serve to allay community fears in the short term. Becoming open source is the goal, but there is a right time and a wrong time to do so.

spaw

I don't get why some people are talking about open source. Nobody asked for that and nobody wants it. Also nobody thinks qora might run away. Where did you get that? )

ummm.. The poll you suggested someone create was all about open source, especially option 3.. Doesn't matter what the "real" discussion was about, the poll just said open source.

-spaw-

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As a side note, if you are tired of this debate and you're truly interested in helping to develop Qora, please check out the Official Qora Forum here: forum.qora.org. Nobody cares if you can't code, I can't either, but we need motivated people to help with marketing and other side projects. Anyone who is willing to put in the time and put themselves out there for this coin are welcome.

spaw

dzarmush

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Quote from: -spaw- on July 25, 2014, 06:47:36 AM

I just see no point in even raising the issue.

It was you who raised this issue. We wasn't discussing open source. We've been discussing a possibility of sharing the source with one or two people that qora would choose himself. And you started discussing open source for some reason.

-spaw-

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Quote from: dzarmush on July 25, 2014, 06:46:16 AM

Quote from: -spaw- on July 25, 2014, 06:31:52 AM

I see no reason to go open source yet. Qora has delivered time and time again. If he really wanted to run a scam, he would be gone! He already has all the BTC! He would have nothing to gain by continuing to develop a scam coin. Qora, the coin and developer are legitimate.

There are some projects in discussion as Dzarmush mentioned. Just because it's not OS doesn't mean other projects can't be created using this coin as a platform. The API is available for anyone who is interested in creating a project.

Going open source would only serve to allay community fears in the short term. Becoming open source is the goal, but there is a right time and a wrong time to do so.

spaw

I don't get why some people are talking about open source. Nobody asked for that and nobody wants it. Also nobody thinks qora might run away. Where did you get that? )

I think people are calling for open source because, for some reason, there is still a lack of trust even after all the developments, improvements, and features that have been added.

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