Topic: [ANN] Qora | Released 16 May | 100% POS | New Source - page 240. (Read 748250 times)

The AE is a decentralized exchange. This means you sell directly from party to party and your funds cannot get stolen. What can happen however, is that the person who issues the token makes a run for it. I posted a short explanation a few pages back. If you're unsure I suggest waiting until Poloniex enables trading again. They have quite a good name. But whatever you do: never leave your coins on an exchange.

Agent Provocateur indeed. Where's smaragda when you need him.

Quote dzarmush if you are talking to dzarmush. Quote me if you are talking to me.

If you and your associates wish your voices to be heard, you should do so under your own forum handle.

If dzarmush feels like running a gateway, he can do so. What part of the concept of a decentralized exchange do you fail to understand? Poloniex is frozen. And until the dev OK's automated exchanges again we will likely not be listen on another one. If dzarmush wishes makes his possesions liquid and give others the opportunity to do so, he can do so.

If you feel you're better at pulling the wagon: you have my blessing. But then bite your tongue and do what needs to be done. Dzarmush did a lot of good work here. Giving him shit for that is not fair, and not constructive.

does the new exchange not scam?

dzarmush,

I have a challenge for you.

So in your eyes, you probably see yourself as the appointed leader and spokesperson of Qora because you think you have got a lot of Qora community's support behind you.

But the truth is that for a lot of us who remained silent, we do not like a lot of decisions you made for us (ie. NXT AE, your marketing strategy), and we want to ask you to step down.

If you don't believe me, I suggest that we have a poll or a survey (only the initial stakeholders will be polled).

I am honestly telling you the truth when I say that a lot of us don't agree with your idea and wish to ask you go.

Can we have a poll or survey on that so you will see the truth for yourself?

Do you accept my challenge? 

Looks like the asshole wants to prevent Qora expansion and success.

darzmush,

I can assure you this -- if we have a poll of all the Qora stakeholders and early adopters now, you will be asked to leave.  Keep in mind that you were not elected the spokesperson of Qora, and you were not appointed the leader of Qora. A lot of us are honestly not happy with you and want you to go.

First off, I'm in talk (and in league) with several early Qora adopters and stakeholders.  And if all of our voice will be heard, you will realize none of us want anything to do with NXT or NXT Asset Exchange.

To many of us, it just adds an extra step and hassle to our trade activities.  So how can the true voice of the Qora community be heard? We certainly do not want to have dzarmush speak for us, and made decisions on our behalf. Having an open survey or poll will show that I'm telling you the truth.

Is this a democracy or a one-man show (dictatorship)?

dzarmush does not represent us, and he does not have our support nor our permission to make decisions on the majority of Qora investors behalf.

No one has elected me. I'm not the spokesperson and I'm not making any decisions for anybody except myself.


Nobody gave me the right. Any person in the world has the right to start or stop trading Qora wherever he wants. You can't forbid someone to trade Qora.


No, dumbass, I don't thinks so.


How could one be so retarded. Qora holders can sell their coins through AE, dumbass.


I don't care about you or your vote.

P.S. I don't know why I even bother to answer some asshole with 3 posts.

Dzarmush put a lot of effort into promoting Qora. Giveaways, logo designs, website desigs etc etc. This gives him right of speaking. You on the other hand, make exactly 1 good post and then start ranting.

So now can't we all just get a long. Enough trolling in this thread already.

I'm calling a spade, a spade.  You were the one promoting NXT Asset Exchange in the Qora thread, and I think it's highly inappropriate.

I do not like the fact that you think you're the one that's calling the shot when you're actively promoting NXT in Qora thread (which is understandable consider the sizable NXT holding you have).

You do not represent the community and you do not have the approval of one of the biggest holders to promote Qora on NXT AE. I despise you for what you're doing, and I'm asking you to drop the NXT AE promotion.

I did not name anyone in my posts, but I'm calling you out now.

Please take your NXT AE shit with you and crawl back to the NXT thread where it (and you) belongs.

Thank you. 

From the little we have to go on (Jean-Luc's quick review), Qora might be based on v4.x of the Nxt code. They could be cousins, based on the same heritage but different.

Until it is open source or unobfuscated, Qora could well be based on Nxt and could be called a clone, uncharitably or as shorthand depending on your view.


Ok.

dzarmush,

First of all, who elected you the spokesperson of Qora and why are you making every decision?  Who gives you the right to decide where Qora should be listed or traded? Doesn't that decision belong to the community?

And do you honestly think with your share, you represent the community?

You were the one promoting NXT Asset Exchange in the first place, and personally, I think you should stop and get the fuck out.

If you want to promote Qora on NXT AE, go do that in NXT thread. This thread is about Qora and Qora only.

NXT AE promotion belongs somewhere else, and no, as a major NXT community partcpant and promoter, you will never get my vote.

 

I'm sorry but for me it looks like a battle of one dumbass againt others. If you see Nxt as an enemy please keep it out of Qora thread. We've got more important things to do than throwing shit in Nxt.

Pray tell. Why do Nxters keep on perpetuating the myth that Qora is just another NXT clone on nxtforum?

Just two quick examples:

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 Re: How many Nxt clones so far?
May 27, 2014, 03:53:01 am

You missed Qora i think.
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Re: How many Nxt clones so far?
Today at 08:35:21 am

Qora  Nas  N2  NTX   by now
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I don't have any problem or hold any grudge against any NXT dev per se. But I do have problem with majority of the Nxt investors, since they're obnoxious and always have an angle in everything (secretly pushing their agendas and slandering others in the process). For some unknown reason, NXT seems to attract the worst crowd in the crypto community, the conniving, slandering type.

I guess they just really got on my nerve, and I'm openly calling for WAR if they still refuse to change their tactics. If they want to talk about NXT, talk about the damn coin in NXT's own thread and stop plastering every thread with their lies and promotion shit.  I am truly pissed and hate NXT, and I have no wish to see any NXT discussion in the threads I frequent (By the way, I never visited NXT thread.). Stay out of my beloved Qora!

If they still refuse to change their strategy and tactics, I will snipe NXT and turn it into a pump & dump scheme because I've grown to hate it so much to the point that the mere mention of NXT gets me enraged.  

I honestly don't care if people think it's just a bluff or not. Bluffing is not what I'm doing here. I just wish to get the warning out that I'm looking to get rid of this NXT plague, and get this NXT disease that've infested several threads under control, and keep those idiots' actions under check. That's all.

Sorry, but I don't agree with this zero-game thinking. There is enough space for multiple gen2 alts, which will slowly replace the current bunch of gen1's (or these will evolve into them, like peercoin for example). While NXT has indeed the first to market advantage, it focuses on providing a solution only to a specific set of problems, leaving rest to be handled by other competition. Focus, doing only several things well is the key to success of any new initiative, just ask any start-up or even look at Bitcoin for the matter.


Back to our matter at hand, putting Qora on other gen2 exchanges will actually make it more visible to these gen2 holders, and allow them easily to divest their holdings to this exciting new crypto, increasing the trading volume and as a result, pushing the value and price. Also additional advantage is having Qora opened to new trading pairs (NXT, XCP, etc...), without waiting for the exchange to add them up. And the cherry on the cake - as this a distributed exchange, no one can run off with your precious qoras, as just happened with sharecoin.


I've already in touch with XCP team which likes this idea, and hope there will be some good news for qora and xcp communities soon.

What exactly is it that you don't like, beyond that you see it as a competitor?

Wow. Did the same.

No, you obviously don't get it.  There is definitely no reason to use an intermediary coin UNLESS the coin can provide a direct FIAT-to-Crypto exchange.  That's the whole point of having Bitcoin as the reserve currency of the Crypto world.  Bitcoin is well established, and there are many trusted FIAT-TO-CRYPTO channels.

Right now we're witnessing a race to have Bitcoin replaced and a concerted effort to have a new standard established (2nd-gen coins race). and the coin that wins out will become the new designated reserve currency. Nxt (and even counterparty) is leading the pack at the moment since they've already have a built-in exchange. So simply put, by listing on a competitor's exchange, we're essentially telling people that the competitor (ie. NXT) should be the next reserve currency that will take on Bitcoin's current status and role. Is that a wise move in your opinion?

Keep in mind listing on another coin's exchange will only give our competitors more leverage and an edge over Qora, which does not have a built-in exchange at the moment.  It will help promote the competitor's platform and not the other way around since Qora, being late to the game, is still in its infancy and is not necessarily features-rich at this stage.  Bottom line is we should protect Qora and give it more time to become mature.

As a newly converted enemy of Nxt, I have no intention of helping Nxt succeed (in fact, I have just the opposite intention). I hate Nxt with a passion and I will do anything to decimate it and run its price down to the ground.  

On the other hand, there are already several established altcoins markets where trades are possible. I know busoni and Poloniex, and I trust them wholeheartedly. There is no reason for Qora to get listed on our competitor's exchange and give our enemies ammo, when we can already list our beloved Qora in traditional markets run by trusted guys like busoni.

I rest my case.

Looks nice. Changed to 676767.

This is what UP offered with NEM.