Topic: [ANN] Sfards:SF100, the first 28nm Dual-Mode Miner is accepting pre-order now - page 30. (Read 129801 times)

I will send you a pm

+1 - "buy it all, get a nice discount" ... sounds about right. That way they can say they produced and sold out.

Unfortunately, while the A2 was a nice chip, the initial offering for the miners based on it was even MORE overpriced than the SFARDS offering for the time.

 Also, KnC's Titan is definitively the best chip on the market for Scrypt right now - the A2 was somewhat less efficient, though it seems to have been a lot more reliable.
 Titans seem to have had more an issue at board-level design (can YOU say "OVERLOAD the PCi-E connectors" even at STOCK clock), but the chip-level reliability of the Titans seems to have been fairly poor at the chip level too, implying that KnC had to "overclock" them to meet their specified target hashrates with resulting poor long-term reliability.

 The Alcheminer was pretty close to a tossup at reported REAL hash rates with the A2, about double for about double the power consumption, but not enough of them out there getting long-term reported on to get a good feel for reliabilty. I'm NOT happy with the way that unit pushes it's PCi-E connectors, almost as bad as the Titans that way.


 More competition in both SHA256 and Scrypt miners, with better efficiency than current offerings, WOULD be nice - if they're PRICED reasonably enough to successfully ROI at an electric rate higher than 3 cents / KWH.


 I'm guessing BitFury has pulled out of making "home" miners entirely at this point?


 Zoomhash, or someone else?

SFARDS might need to be a bit careful. There is another thread regarding Innosilicon and their debacle with Bitmine. Innosilicon is the producer of the A1 and A2 chips which I surmise to be the best Scrypt ASIC's to date, prior to SFARDS. They claim in this thread to be well underway on an A3 and A4 designs for 14nm process technology. No dates yet, so maybe SFARDS has a a clear field for several months, in terms of LTC.

Their current price won't last more than 60 days is my bet. The halving, and rumors of something else, will put pressure on them in a big way.

Whover has bought them now, had better extract the value they can, because their asset will be at no more than 50% in less than 6 months (IMHO).

That does not make sense to me ... unless bitmain have become generous and temporarily left market to sfards to clear their expensive stock, otherwise, why would they be lumbered with a non-productive stock of rigs simply because there is no competition? (....  being good to the network health aka network hash? thats far fetched !)

I got a email a while back.  I went to try to email again a few day's ago to go about buying one and did not get word back.

I thought I would overspend on 1 to try it for the fun of it and show it on forums, and I could not even get one.

Presuming they actually sold anything at all, I've not heard of or seen anything concrete yet, just pure speculation. Their lack of communication both here & via email is a little disturbing, my little red flags are growing bigger & bigger every day  

I'm actually not expecting anything from them soon, if at all. At least that way, if they do decide to post/email/produce something - it will be a pleasant surprise, albeit an expensive one.

I think they sold the whole thing to 1 company that mines in the state of washington.  this company is now off loading A2 gear.

And if this is true they not only sold out they did it at the 1200 dollar price.   I was not expecing that at all.

I wonder if they had one big client or how the sale went.

This is all about the money.  With current prices stalled under 285 usd.  The builders will mine rather then sell gear.

They could be right as this behavior has kept difficulty under 55 bill for months.


Nov 05 2014   39,603,666,252   10.05%   283,494,086 GH/s

Jul 11 2015   51,076,366,303   3.39%   365,618,871 GH/s



in 18 jumps   we have done an average of  1.49%

basically the builders have decided to slow production of gear and self mine.

Is this good? If you have cheap power it is okay.  If your power is costly it has squeezed you out.

Never mind sfards with the ridiculous pricing thus far .... seen this? Already taped-out ....!
No wonder July is nearly gone (having been promised an early July release) and we've heard NOTHING about the much vaunted S:Next-one from bitmain either!

I guess you'd order from their site...
http://www.sfards.com/pro/miner

$999 Christmas special?

 *ROFLMAOSC* that would STILL be very overpriced, it would be overpriced as a Black Thursday special even with an extra month to fail to ROI.


 SFARDS has an "order" page on their website now under the ...Products I think? .... tab, but it's "sold out" and probably will be so 'till August sometime.

How do you even order from them though?  I still have yet to figure that.  Is it just via email? If so what email?

If they already sold out the 1st batch, what's the urgency for them to try and sell here? Maybe when they can't sell whatever they make at $1200+ per unit.

I still there  there's a $999 Christmas special (almost 30% off), in the future.....

Trolling has been getting bad lately in certain threads.

SFards really needs communication.  I'm surprised they are not on here trying to sell.  Even if next batch is a over a month away... if it was me I would be trying to sell that batch before the day comes.     

Just the discreetness is odd.   I hope they come out selling and sell for cheaper then reported.  But guess we will see.

I wish I could tell you fuck off you are just a troll.

Fact is I pretty much completely agree with your post.

Sfards never really did much to prove your idea wrong so far.

Guys and gals, Gridseed priced their miners to NEVER ROI! Only those looking to mine at any cost will buy at first, eventually they will drop prices fast enough to keep up with actual profitability but nowhere near when they finally start shipping. There are plenty of people willing to overpay so they don't care about losing customers. The G-blade was $3k when they released it, within weeks it was less than half that. They are not going to sell us gear for reasonable prices when there are those out there willing to pay unreasonable prices just as they did with the gridseed miners. Resellers will be their customers, and they will have buyers willing to overpay. That was how GAW became a "company" so they will repeat the same profitable process for these miners.

However I have little faith in LTC, price or purpose, after halving and no interest from bulls speculating, the price will drop and this being the most profitable miner will be one of the few left to mine LTC profitably which will lower the difficulty. Nobody else is working on scrypt miners, so you may have an opportunity to mine a shitcoin at lower operating costs than anyone else for a long period of time, which will allow you to recoup some/most of your investment.  Not a reason to pay more than the miner is worth, but a possible added value to the miner that MIGHT justify paying a premium for the miner.

ohh  no  my numbers are silly good, but if you are a farm with 100 or so a2's and sell them now upgrading to the sfards that cost you well under the 1290 plus shipping it is good for you. 

If I were that farm  I would have done exactly what they did.  swap sfards for a2's

Now I have 2 fact or  exhibits:
a)  a batch of sfards has sold out.
b)  an email to buy discounted A2's.


The conclusion I drew could be wrong
I don't really care much since this gear will not work for me.


 I can't do any mining of large watts 5 kwatts to 7 kwatts in house.

Until Oct when winter rates start in NJ

In other words, pretty optimistic for most folks. I assume you didn't include halving, since there's no mention?