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Topic: [ANN] SpreadCoin | Decentralize Everything (decentralized blockexplorer coming) - page 314. (Read 790414 times)

sr. member
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America wants to control the world

The great thing about the USA is that we know how to ban IPs that come from that country. Digital financial services are not universally banned around the world.

The global online gambling industry has banned the USA for years.

If they want to exclude themselves from the global financial system, let them.

Why would you think this is only a US issue? It won't be. Not only that, many companies from different countries run their businesses such that they adhere to certain US laws even though the country they're based in don't have the same laws. How many of the masternodes will be run out of peoples homes as opposed to being hosted with some other company? How many hosting companies don't allow things like Tor nodes, adult content or anything to do with Torrents? I read somewhere today that a high number of dash masternodes are hosted with amazon. So, what happens if/when some regulations/laws are put in place where hosting companies around the world shut down any accounts that are running anything to do with virtual currency? Over the last few years, how many file sharing/download etc type sites have been shut down? I'll just put this here. Note this was a company based in Hong Kong. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megaupload
legendary
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Farage? Joking, right?

Greens, mate. Vote to save all our daffodils.

I'm not joking, but you are Tongue

.........

Sorry, mate - I can't resist reminding you, now Farage has been given the red card.
legendary
Activity: 1358
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I'm contributing 5k SPR to the Bitcoin Core development as a bounty.

I'll let CHAOSiTECH confirm how that should be shared.

I know the work involved will be significant, so 5k is more of a token gesture by comparison to the effort that is involved.

I will add 5,000SPR to the bounty for Bitcoin Core development.  As Coins101 said, it will require a significant amount of specialist work to achieve.

Total Bitcoin Core Development Bounty:  10K SPR

Dan

lol you guys are evil, i have no chance of working that amount of time until i get home, which is 11 days from now....

:-p

edit:

ok, this is what im going to do, i will fork bitcoin core on my github page, enyone who wants to help, use that as a base, and send a merge pull request to me, and i will include whatever work has been done from you, when we have something that seems like its done, we are going to do some heavy testing on testnet to make sure there is no promlem with the new client

repo is at https://github.com/FireWalkerX/spreadcoin-core
sr. member
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I'm contributing 5k SPR to the Bitcoin Core development as a bounty.

I'll let CHAOSiTECH confirm how that should be shared.

I know the work involved will be significant, so 5k is more of a token gesture by comparison to the effort that is involved.

I will add 5,000SPR to the bounty for Bitcoin Core development.  As Coins101 said, it will require a significant amount of specialist work to achieve.

Total Bitcoin Core Development Bounty:  10K SPR

Dan

+ 5k SPR

Total Bitcoin Core Development Bounty:  15K SPR
legendary
Activity: 1722
Merit: 1002
Decentralize Everything
I'm contributing 5k SPR to the Bitcoin Core development as a bounty.

I'll let CHAOSiTECH confirm how that should be shared.

I know the work involved will be significant, so 5k is more of a token gesture by comparison to the effort that is involved.

I will add 5,000SPR to the bounty for Bitcoin Core development.  As Coins101 said, it will require a significant amount of specialist work to achieve.

Total Bitcoin Core Development Bounty:  10K SPR

Dan
legendary
Activity: 1456
Merit: 1000
America wants to control the world

The great thing about the USA is that we know how to ban IPs that come from that country. Digital financial services are not universally banned around the world.

The global online gambling industry has banned the USA for years.

If they want to exclude themselves from the global financial system, let them.
legendary
Activity: 1456
Merit: 1000
I'm contributing 5k SPR to the Bitcoin Core development as a bounty.

I'll let CHAOSiTECH confirm how that should be shared.

I know the work involved will be significant, so 5k is more of a token gesture by comparison to the effort that is involved.
legendary
Activity: 1722
Merit: 1002
Decentralize Everything
Ok guys so it turns out every time I sell my coins, the price jumps up.
I sold at 12k and was hoping to get in at 10k but you can see what happened.
I'm just going to give up on trading. I'm not going to buy spreadcoins anymore, I'll just keep my 400 I have in my wallet on my PC and keep collecting coins from bounties.
Hopefully the price goes down to 0.00003000 again and then I'll buy.

There's a new address on the rich list showing 40001SPR.  Quite an aggressive buying spree.

I filled my bags a month or so ago driving the price up quite a lot for short periods.

People seem keen to hold so it is difdicult to accumulate without quick price jumps.  It will be a low volume coin for a while too.

Don't lose heart.  The bounties will be plentiful (loads of work to be done!) and no doubt the price will fall again after last night's activity.  Whether it settles above or below 10k I cannot say.  
legendary
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While certainly interesting and should raise concerns in a lot of people, that was more about whether the currency itself is considered centralized or not. I'm talking about the network, or to be more specific, any functionality that would rely on a "small" pool of nodes that could be compromised.

Fair comment but I think disagree with the likelihood of compromise. Where do you see the attack vectors? The likelihood of a successful sybil attack is the same as the other overlay network coins, basically diminished almost to nothing because of the deposit/stake requirement.

AIUI Spreadcoin gains a degree of protection from eclipse attacks by determining the population of service nodes dynamically via an auction process. As regards “small”,  that's something for georgem to comment on, I guess. Mr Spread had 1440 nodes in mind, that's an ambitious target for an eclipse attack.
 
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At the end of they day, my entire point is to avoid anything like the use of masternodes etc in order to reduce the risk to the system as they're just not required due to other options being available.

You're not alone in that view, gmaxwell has also dropped some heavy hints to that effect. It's my problem that I can't see the solution space as clearly as he does and I haven't yet managed to find an actual explanation of how the same functionality can be achieved with these “other options”.

It sort of depends on what services are in the frame. Some mooted services such as automated contracts will run headlong into the symbol grounding problem, will have give up ambitions to be trustless and accept an oracular trusted third-party model. Other mooted services such as InstanTx use only abstract symbols and so (AIUI) can be solidly founded on pure cryptography.


Cheers

Graham
sr. member
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Good lord.. Updated my old client to the latest one and I'm getting like 1 connection. Anyone have a config file with a node list they can share?

All but one of the old full nodes are dead!

The next QT will have at least 8 stable full nodes in it.

In the meantime, addnode=52.17.253.8 if you want to use my node.  My node has 40+ connections at the moment and has good bandwidth.

Dan

you can also addnode=94.23.23.194 :-)

{
    "version" : 91504,
    "protocolversion" : 70019,
    "walletversion" : 60000,
    "balance" : 0.00000000,
    "blocks" : 385972,
    "timeoffset" : 0,
    "connections" : 43,
    "proxy" : "",
    "difficulty" : 18.02900208,
    "networkhashps" : 1114261156,
    "moneysupply" : 2581025.35115666,
    "testnet" : false,
    "keypoololdest" : 1430663159,
    "keypoolsize" : 101,
    "paytxfee" : 0.00000000,
    "mininput" : 0.00001000,
    "errors" : ""
}


Thanks guys.
sr. member
Activity: 686
Merit: 320
Ok guys so it turns out every time I sell my coins, the price jumps up.
I sold at 12k and was hoping to get in at 10k but you can see what happened.
I'm just going to give up on trading. I'm not going to buy spreadcoins anymore, I'll just keep my 400 I have in my wallet on my PC and keep collecting coins from bounties.
Hopefully the price goes down to 0.00003000 again and then I'll buy.

Never get discouraged by how much you "could" have made if you had just held a little longer. As long as you made a profit on your trade, be happy about it because once you give into greed, you will tend to lose far too often.

I haven't really had a good look at the activity of SPR but from what I see right now, I would think about putting a buy order in at 10014, just above the "small" buy wall, and then maybe another one down around maybe 8000 given the dips I see in the chart. Maybe even another down around 4000. It also looks like the coin has almost reached another little peak that will trigger a small sell off which has been a pattern over the last couple weeks.  But like I said, I haven't watched the activity over a few days to see what's really going on there so take that with a grain of salt.

Something else you might want to consider if you do something like that. If you do pick up some more coins, pick a price that's reasonable to sell at given what appears to be the typical trend and then sell an amount of coins that will give you a small profit. That should leave you with some completely "free" coins. It's looking to me like a person could get 5%-10% profit a week while also accumulating a bunch of free coins. I was doing that last year with a couple coins and it worked out really well for me.
legendary
Activity: 1554
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Ok guys so it turns out every time I sell my coins, the price jumps up.
I sold at 12k and was hoping to get in at 10k but you can see what happened.
I'm just going to give up on trading. I'm not going to buy spreadcoins anymore, I'll just keep my 400 I have in my wallet on my PC and keep collecting coins from bounties.
Hopefully the price goes down to 0.00003000 again and then I'll buy.

It will only do that after another Dead Cat Bounce.
legendary
Activity: 1540
Merit: 1001
Crypto since 2014
Ok guys so it turns out every time I sell my coins, the price jumps up.
I sold at 12k and was hoping to get in at 10k but you can see what happened.
I'm just going to give up on trading. I'm not going to buy spreadcoins anymore, I'll just keep my 400 I have in my wallet on my PC and keep collecting coins from bounties.
Hopefully the price goes down to 0.00003000 again and then I'll buy.
legendary
Activity: 1358
Merit: 1002
Good lord.. Updated my old client to the latest one and I'm getting like 1 connection. Anyone have a config file with a node list they can share?

All but one of the old full nodes are dead!

The next QT will have at least 8 stable full nodes in it.

In the meantime, addnode=52.17.253.8 if you want to use my node.  My node has 40+ connections at the moment and has good bandwidth.

Dan

you can also addnode=94.23.23.194 :-)

{
    "version" : 91504,
    "protocolversion" : 70019,
    "walletversion" : 60000,
    "balance" : 0.00000000,
    "blocks" : 385972,
    "timeoffset" : 0,
    "connections" : 43,
    "proxy" : "",
    "difficulty" : 18.02900208,
    "networkhashps" : 1114261156,
    "moneysupply" : 2581025.35115666,
    "testnet" : false,
    "keypoololdest" : 1430663159,
    "keypoolsize" : 101,
    "paytxfee" : 0.00000000,
    "mininput" : 0.00001000,
    "errors" : ""
}
legendary
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...
{
    "balance" : 984913.017500,
}


The trolling is strong with this one. I Love it  Grin

So far, the known balances from 3 wallets is more than the current coin supply.

LOL I was starting to feel very inadequate - then I remembered that I am extremely gullible! :-)
legendary
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Decentralize Everything
Good lord.. Updated my old client to the latest one and I'm getting like 1 connection. Anyone have a config file with a node list they can share?

All but one of the old full nodes are dead!

The next QT will have at least 8 stable full nodes in it.

In the meantime, addnode=52.17.253.8 if you want to use my node.  My node has 40+ connections at the moment and has good bandwidth.

Dan
sr. member
Activity: 686
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Good lord.. Updated my old client to the latest one and I'm getting like 1 connection. Anyone have a config file with a node list they can share?
legendary
Activity: 1358
Merit: 1002
Masternodes (Dash) and service nodes (SPR) are fully decentralised anyway, whatever services they are providing.

ummm. No they're not.

This issue is potentially too important to be held hostage by unsupported assertions.

Taken verbatim from the “ripple-paid-$700k-for-PoD-from-USG” thread (I paraphrase):

There is nothing new here. FinCEN has issued guidance over two years ago that makes a clear distinction between a Centralized Virtual Currency and a De-Centralized Virtual Currency. http://www.fincen.gov/statutes_regs/guidance/html/FIN-2013-G001.html. Centralized Virtual Currencies mean that the Administrator and this can easily include developers etc. are considered MSBs and subject to MSB and AML/KNC regulations. Premined, IPO, ICO coins and likely many instamined and ninjamined coins are considered Centralized Virtual Currencies and subject to MSB and AML/KNC regulations.

For a coin to be considered a De-Centralized Virtual Currency both the following conditions have to be met.
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A final type of convertible virtual currency activity involves a de-centralized convertible virtual currency (1) that has no central repository and no single administrator, and (2) that persons may obtain by their own computing or manufacturing effort.
This is among many reasons why I have limited my Crypto-currency investments to Bitcoin (XBT), Monero (XMR) and Namecoin (NMC) and have stayed well away from premined, instamined, ninjamined, IPO, ICO, etc coins. We must keep in mind that the whole point of Bitcoin was to create a de-centralized form of money without a centralized controlling entity, and not to replace one centralized controlling entity with another for private profit.

Edit 1: If one wishes to invest in centralized forms of money one can buy shares in a bank.
 
Edit 2: It is not just FinCEN that premined, instamined, ninjamined, IPO, ICO, etc coins need to be concerned about. In the United States there is the SEC, and then there are hundreds of national and sub national regulatory bodies worldwide that could follow FinCEN's lead.

Cheers

Graham

While certainly interesting and should raise concerns in a lot of people, that was more about whether the currency itself is considered centralized or not. I'm talking about the network, or to be more specific, any functionality that would rely on a "small" pool of nodes that could be compromised.

The FinCen stuff should really raise concerns for those that are effectively paid to run Masternodes, it wouldn't take much to classify them as administrators. There's already issues with the FinCen regulations as by their definition miners can be considered money transmitters and in the same section it says those (think Masternodes that are required for making things anonymous) that transfer currency from one person to another would also be considered money transmitters.

At the end of they day, my entire point is to avoid anything like the use of masternodes etc in order to reduce the risk to the system as they're just not required due to other options being available.

i think we will find the best solutions to given problems and still be able to maintain decentralisation.. but i also think we should concentrate on one or 2 things at a time, and discuss it through, finding the solutions that gives the needed functionality we want, and still be able to do it decentralized.

right now, the first steps will be the service nodes, and getting spreadcoin on the core source, then we can start looking into what kind of services we want, and what kind of functionality we want and still keeping the promise of "Decentralize Everything" :-)
sr. member
Activity: 686
Merit: 320
Masternodes (Dash) and service nodes (SPR) are fully decentralised anyway, whatever services they are providing.

ummm. No they're not.

This issue is potentially too important to be held hostage by unsupported assertions.

Taken verbatim from the “ripple-paid-$700k-for-PoD-from-USG” thread (I paraphrase):

There is nothing new here. FinCEN has issued guidance over two years ago that makes a clear distinction between a Centralized Virtual Currency and a De-Centralized Virtual Currency. http://www.fincen.gov/statutes_regs/guidance/html/FIN-2013-G001.html. Centralized Virtual Currencies mean that the Administrator and this can easily include developers etc. are considered MSBs and subject to MSB and AML/KNC regulations. Premined, IPO, ICO coins and likely many instamined and ninjamined coins are considered Centralized Virtual Currencies and subject to MSB and AML/KNC regulations.

For a coin to be considered a De-Centralized Virtual Currency both the following conditions have to be met.
Quote
A final type of convertible virtual currency activity involves a de-centralized convertible virtual currency (1) that has no central repository and no single administrator, and (2) that persons may obtain by their own computing or manufacturing effort.
This is among many reasons why I have limited my Crypto-currency investments to Bitcoin (XBT), Monero (XMR) and Namecoin (NMC) and have stayed well away from premined, instamined, ninjamined, IPO, ICO, etc coins. We must keep in mind that the whole point of Bitcoin was to create a de-centralized form of money without a centralized controlling entity, and not to replace one centralized controlling entity with another for private profit.

Edit 1: If one wishes to invest in centralized forms of money one can buy shares in a bank.
 
Edit 2: It is not just FinCEN that premined, instamined, ninjamined, IPO, ICO, etc coins need to be concerned about. In the United States there is the SEC, and then there are hundreds of national and sub national regulatory bodies worldwide that could follow FinCEN's lead.

Cheers

Graham

While certainly interesting and should raise concerns in a lot of people, that was more about whether the currency itself is considered centralized or not. I'm talking about the network, or to be more specific, any functionality that would rely on a "small" pool of nodes that could be compromised.

The FinCen stuff should really raise concerns for those that are effectively paid to run Masternodes, it wouldn't take much to classify them as administrators. There's already issues with the FinCen regulations as by their definition miners can be considered money transmitters and in the same section it says those (think Masternodes that are required for making things anonymous) that transfer currency from one person to another would also be considered money transmitters.

At the end of they day, my entire point is to avoid anything like the use of masternodes etc in order to reduce the risk to the system as they're just not required due to other options being available.
legendary
Activity: 2254
Merit: 1290
Masternodes (Dash) and service nodes (SPR) are fully decentralised anyway, whatever services they are providing.

ummm. No they're not.

This issue is potentially too important to be held hostage by unsupported assertions.

Taken verbatim from the “ripple-paid-$700k-for-PoD-from-USG” thread (I paraphrase):

There is nothing new here. FinCEN has issued guidance over two years ago that makes a clear distinction between a Centralized Virtual Currency and a De-Centralized Virtual Currency. http://www.fincen.gov/statutes_regs/guidance/html/FIN-2013-G001.html. Centralized Virtual Currencies mean that the Administrator and this can easily include developers etc. are considered MSBs and subject to MSB and AML/KNC regulations. Premined, IPO, ICO coins and likely many instamined and ninjamined coins are considered Centralized Virtual Currencies and subject to MSB and AML/KNC regulations.

For a coin to be considered a De-Centralized Virtual Currency both the following conditions have to be met.
Quote
A final type of convertible virtual currency activity involves a de-centralized convertible virtual currency (1) that has no central repository and no single administrator, and (2) that persons may obtain by their own computing or manufacturing effort.
This is among many reasons why I have limited my Crypto-currency investments to Bitcoin (XBT), Monero (XMR) and Namecoin (NMC) and have stayed well away from premined, instamined, ninjamined, IPO, ICO, etc coins. We must keep in mind that the whole point of Bitcoin was to create a de-centralized form of money without a centralized controlling entity, and not to replace one centralized controlling entity with another for private profit.

Edit 1: If one wishes to invest in centralized forms of money one can buy shares in a bank.
 
Edit 2: It is not just FinCEN that premined, instamined, ninjamined, IPO, ICO, etc coins need to be concerned about. In the United States there is the SEC, and then there are hundreds of national and sub national regulatory bodies worldwide that could follow FinCEN's lead.  

Cheers

Graham
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