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Topic: [ANN] SpreadCoin | Decentralize Everything (decentralized blockexplorer coming) - page 313. (Read 790414 times)

legendary
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quick question; is there some kind of reward for running a node ?
(apart from supporting the network ofcourse)

For full nodes, nothing but the warm fuzzy feeling of satisfaction.

I wonder if full nodes could be rewarded in some way?  I guess they'd have to provide an added value service on top of simply being a node...
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quick question; is there some kind of reward for running a node ?
(apart from supporting the network ofcourse)
legendary
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legendary
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Gonna be fun weekend I got more BTC inbound  Roll Eyes

Good luck with that...market is pretty tight!
sr. member
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Gonna be fun weekend I got more BTC inbound  Roll Eyes
hero member
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Ok guys so it turns out every time I sell my coins, the price jumps up.
I sold at 12k and was hoping to get in at 10k but you can see what happened.
I'm just going to give up on trading. I'm not going to buy spreadcoins anymore, I'll just keep my 400 I have in my wallet on my PC and keep collecting coins from bounties.
Hopefully the price goes down to 0.00003000 again and then I'll buy.

Cry us a river.
legendary
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Ok guys so it turns out every time I sell my coins, the price jumps up.
I sold at 12k and was hoping to get in at 10k but you can see what happened.
I'm just going to give up on trading. I'm not going to buy spreadcoins anymore, I'll just keep my 400 I have in my wallet on my PC and keep collecting coins from bounties.
Hopefully the price goes down to 0.00003000 again and then I'll buy.

It will only do that after another Dead Cat Bounce.

I don't understand this daily trading, on a coin your are defending and investing...

Not sure that give any benefice on the coin. (apart maybe increasing the volume).
legendary
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George, I have another question about the current proposed "auction" model for service nodes.

If each service node will be running the service(s) chosen by the owner of that node, how can the service node network guarantee quality of service for a particular service?

For example, if there were 800 service nodes in the spread and only 50 of those nodes provided a particular service, what could we do to make sure that 25 of those nodes wouldn't be dropped by the spread thus affecting quality of service.  This is a particularly pertinent question because if there will eventually be a variety of services on offer, each service will probably provide different income to the service node operator thus affecting the affordability of running a node providing that service.

Is it as simple as saying that the model decides which services are viable to operate?

Every servicenode will be encouraged to run every service that exists. In parallel on the same machine.

Or else it will receive negative score points for every service that is missing.

So in your example you must explain why 750 of your 800 service nodes decided to not run that particular service.

This is something that should not happen.

I was thinking about local laws preventing a service node operator from choosing to operate a particular service.  I like the concept of all snodes providing all services though.  

Yes, good point.

But we can assume that the majority of service nodes will always move to a region where they are "allowed" to run a particular service.
(or where civil disobedience is practiced widely and openly ---> no need to ask for permission.  Grin )

Why would the majority decide to move the servers to a region where a service is forbidden? Doesn't make sense.

Therefor the majority will always prevail, and the nodes that can't run a particular service will always be the minority.

And if this can't be guaranteed we should get rid of that particular service.


EDIT: If you look at the world map, you find either places where there is still very much freedom, or places where there is not much freedom to do anything.
So we can expect that most of our servicenodes will always move to the places on earth with the most freedom (or the most motivation for civil disobedience).
legendary
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Just for convenience of future reference:

Bitcoin Core Development Bounty:  15K SPR

Coins101: 5k SPR
Minerpage:  5k SPR
Stonehedge: 5k SPR

and use my github for merge requests

I've updated my post.  Cheers.
legendary
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George, I have another question about the current proposed "auction" model for service nodes.

If each service node will be running the service(s) chosen by the owner of that node, how can the service node network guarantee quality of service for a particular service?

For example, if there were 800 service nodes in the spread and only 50 of those nodes provided a particular service, what could we do to make sure that 25 of those nodes wouldn't be dropped by the spread thus affecting quality of service.  This is a particularly pertinent question because if there will eventually be a variety of services on offer, each service will probably provide different income to the service node operator thus affecting the affordability of running a node providing that service.

Is it as simple as saying that the model decides which services are viable to operate?

Every servicenode will be encouraged to run every service that exists. In parallel on the same machine.

Or else it will receive negative score points for every service that is missing.

So in your example you must explain why 750 of your 800 service nodes decided to not run that particular service.

This is something that should not happen.

I was thinking about local laws preventing a service node operator from choosing to operate a particular service.  I like the concept of all snodes providing all services though.  
legendary
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Just for convenience of future reference:

Bitcoin Core Development Bounty:  15K SPR

Coins101: 5k SPR
Minerpage:  5k SPR
Stonehedge: 5k SPR

and use my github for merge requests
legendary
Activity: 1484
Merit: 1007
spreadcoin.info
George, I have another question about the current proposed "auction" model for service nodes.

If each service node will be running the service(s) chosen by the owner of that node, how can the service node network guarantee quality of service for a particular service?

For example, if there were 800 service nodes in the spread and only 50 of those nodes provided a particular service, what could we do to make sure that 25 of those nodes wouldn't be dropped by the spread thus affecting quality of service.  This is a particularly pertinent question because if there will eventually be a variety of services on offer, each service will probably provide different income to the service node operator thus affecting the affordability of running a node providing that service.

Is it as simple as saying that the model decides which services are viable to operate?

Every servicenode will be encouraged to run every service that exists. In parallel on the same machine.

Or else the node will receive negative score points for every service that is missing.
Only if you run 100% of all available services will you receive the full 30% share of the mining reward. (or whatever we will choose)

So in your example you must explain why 750 of the 800 service nodes decided to not run that particular service.

This is something that should not happen voluntarily (but maybe because of other reasons?), because why would they want to miss the extra SPR?
legendary
Activity: 1722
Merit: 1002
Decentralize Everything
Just for convenience of future reference:

Bitcoin Core Development Bounty:  15K SPR

Coins101: 5k SPR
Minerpage:  5k SPR
Stonehedge: 5k SPR



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ok, this is what im going to do, i will fork bitcoin core on my github page, enyone who wants to help, use that as a base, and send a merge pull request to me, and i will include whatever work has been done from you, when we have something that seems like its done, we are going to do some heavy testing on testnet to make sure there is no promlem with the new client

repo is at https://github.com/FireWalkerX/spreadcoin-core
legendary
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legendary
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legendary
Activity: 1722
Merit: 1002
Decentralize Everything
George, I have another question about the current proposed "auction" model for service nodes.

If each service node will be running the service(s) chosen by the owner of that node, how can the service node network guarantee quality of service for a particular service?

For example, if there were 800 service nodes in the spread and only 50 of those nodes provided a particular service, what could we do to make sure that 25 of those nodes wouldn't be dropped by the spread thus affecting quality of service.  This is a particularly pertinent question because if there will eventually be a variety of services on offer, each service will probably provide different income to the service node operator thus affecting the affordability of running a node providing that service.

Is it as simple as saying that the model decides which services are viable to operate?
legendary
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Merit: 1007
spreadcoin.info
I'm contributing 5k SPR to the Bitcoin Core development as a bounty.

I'll let CHAOSiTECH confirm how that should be shared.

I know the work involved will be significant, so 5k is more of a token gesture by comparison to the effort that is involved.

I will add 5,000SPR to the bounty for Bitcoin Core development.  As Coins101 said, it will require a significant amount of specialist work to achieve.

Total Bitcoin Core Development Bounty:  10K SPR

Dan

lol you guys are evil, i have no chance of working that amount of time until i get home, which is 11 days from now....

:-p

edit:

ok, this is what im going to do, i will fork bitcoin core on my github page, enyone who wants to help, use that as a base, and send a merge pull request to me, and i will include whatever work has been done from you, when we have something that seems like its done, we are going to do some heavy testing on testnet to make sure there is no promlem with the new client

repo is at https://github.com/FireWalkerX/spreadcoin-core

Done!

FYI - Vertoe is going through a similar process at the moment updating Cach to Bitcoin core.

Yeah, it's that time of the season...
legendary
Activity: 1456
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I'm contributing 5k SPR to the Bitcoin Core development as a bounty.

I'll let CHAOSiTECH confirm how that should be shared.

I know the work involved will be significant, so 5k is more of a token gesture by comparison to the effort that is involved.

I will add 5,000SPR to the bounty for Bitcoin Core development.  As Coins101 said, it will require a significant amount of specialist work to achieve.

Total Bitcoin Core Development Bounty:  10K SPR

Dan

lol you guys are evil, i have no chance of working that amount of time until i get home, which is 11 days from now....

:-p

edit:

ok, this is what im going to do, i will fork bitcoin core on my github page, enyone who wants to help, use that as a base, and send a merge pull request to me, and i will include whatever work has been done from you, when we have something that seems like its done, we are going to do some heavy testing on testnet to make sure there is no promlem with the new client

repo is at https://github.com/FireWalkerX/spreadcoin-core

Done!

FYI - Vertoe is going through a similar process at the moment updating Cach to Bitcoin core.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11182643
legendary
Activity: 1484
Merit: 1007
spreadcoin.info
I'm contributing 5k SPR to the Bitcoin Core development as a bounty.

I'll let CHAOSiTECH confirm how that should be shared.

I know the work involved will be significant, so 5k is more of a token gesture by comparison to the effort that is involved.

I will add 5,000SPR to the bounty for Bitcoin Core development.  As Coins101 said, it will require a significant amount of specialist work to achieve.

Total Bitcoin Core Development Bounty:  10K SPR

Dan

lol you guys are evil, i have no chance of working that amount of time until i get home, which is 11 days from now....

:-p

edit:

ok, this is what im going to do, i will fork bitcoin core on my github page, enyone who wants to help, use that as a base, and send a merge pull request to me, and i will include whatever work has been done from you, when we have something that seems like its done, we are going to do some heavy testing on testnet to make sure there is no promlem with the new client

repo is at https://github.com/FireWalkerX/spreadcoin-core

Done!
legendary
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America wants to control the world

The great thing about the USA is that we know how to ban IPs that come from that country. Digital financial services are not universally banned around the world.

The global online gambling industry has banned the USA for years.

If they want to exclude themselves from the global financial system, let them.

Why would you think this is only a US issue? It won't be. Not only that, many companies from different countries run their businesses such that they adhere to certain US laws even though the country they're based in don't have the same laws. How many of the masternodes will be run out of peoples homes as opposed to being hosted with some other company? How many hosting companies don't allow things like Tor nodes, adult content or anything to do with Torrents? I read somewhere today that a high number of dash masternodes are hosted with amazon. So, what happens if/when some regulations/laws are put in place where hosting companies around the world shut down any accounts that are running anything to do with virtual currency? Over the last few years, how many file sharing/download etc type sites have been shut down? I'll just put this here. Note this was a company based in Hong Kong. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megaupload

I'm not disagreeing with you. You make some very valid points.

It would be better to find a way to work within the rules, while giving the benefits of decentralisation. This is the trick that Bitcoin is pulling off now. The regulators are changing to adapt because they can't control the tide of change.  They will get it more wrong before they start getting it more right.

As far as I understand it, servicenode operators will be able to pick and choose which services they run - that means they can take account of local laws.

Also, I have been following the megaupload saga. He has started a new business that encrypts the data before it gets uploaded so he can't be accused of knowing what's on his servers. He has recently started accepting bitcoins because he has had his business accounts shutdown.

He is now working on a decentralised internet protocol, mega net, to remove his central point of failure - mega was shut down because it was a company.
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