Topic: [ANN] SpreadCoin | True Decentralization (No Pools) | Testing New Masternodes - page 259. (Read 810085 times)
January 18, 2015, 12:05:46 PM
I was thinking that the problem with a dynamic ip is that when it changes you'll need to wait another 2 days (or whatever) to get accepted as a masternode again. But I assume Mr. Spread will make it so that your masternode key is remembered.
January 18, 2015, 11:05:00 AM
The QT client is just the daemon with some GUI stuff on top, you can run a MN via the QT just fine, but then your CPU/RAM/HD etc. requirements are all double because you need all the extra stuff for the GUI client to work, so you're having to run/rent a beefier server... why bother? It's easier and cheaper to use the CLI daemon.
Nothing stopping you from running a MN at home using the QT client if that's what you want to do though.
Nothing stopping you from running a MN at home using the QT client if that's what you want to do though.
Ok, I never thought of it this way...
January 18, 2015, 11:02:24 AM
And a Masternode is just a wallet with some linked collateral, I regularly use a wallet that happens to also 'be' a Masternode.
Well ofcourse the daemon is just the same for wallet and masternode, but they run in a different mode, right?
But it's not like with darkcoin you had your QT-wallet on your home-pc act like a masternode, right? But maybe SPR will allow for that.
(sorry for the dumb questions, I never ran a masternode, but I plan to, soon, side by side with a SPR node, :-) )
The QT client is just the daemon with some GUI stuff on top, you can run a MN via the QT just fine, but then your CPU/RAM/HD etc. requirements are all double because you need all the extra stuff for the GUI client to work, so you're having to run/rent a beefier server... why bother? It's easier and cheaper to use the CLI daemon.
Nothing stopping you from running a MN at home using the QT client if that's what you want to do though.
January 18, 2015, 10:37:26 AM
And a Masternode is just a wallet with some linked collateral, I regularly use a wallet that happens to also 'be' a Masternode.
Well ofcourse the daemon is just the same for wallet and masternode, but they run in a different mode, right?
But it's not like with darkcoin you had your QT-wallet on your home-pc act like a masternode, right? But maybe SPR will allow for that.
(sorry for the dumb questions, I never ran a masternode, but I plan to, soon, side by side with a SPR node, :-) )
January 18, 2015, 10:33:57 AM
So I will look forward to install a SPR masternode on one of my raspberry Pi's then, and run it from my home?
If I understood you correctly we come closer and closer to one day have our masternode INSIDE our wallet? Having them both be the same thing if a person desires? (Another person might desire to run a big server why not)
If I understood you correctly we come closer and closer to one day have our masternode INSIDE our wallet? Having them both be the same thing if a person desires? (Another person might desire to run a big server why not)
You can run bitcoind on a pi with a bit of effort but spreadcoind in Masternode mode is going to have a shitload more overhead, I don't think a pi is going to cut it. Plenty of better spec'd cheap little SOC boards out there though.
And a Masternode is just a wallet with some linked collateral, I regularly use a wallet that happens to also 'be' a Masternode.
Maybe a banana pi?
Maybe I will just designate one of my pcs and make it a home-run-masternode.
I think my internet connection is fast enough, and from march onwards I will have fibre at home (down/up both 100MBit)
But security concerns me quite very much, since you will not only compromise a server, but your whole home-network this way.
But if I understand Mr.Spread correctly, SPR masternodes will not necessarily need to broadcast their IP, so this could be a good thing...
So regarding the overhead of a masternode, how much CPU / RAM does a darkcoin masternode usually need to successfully run?
January 18, 2015, 09:28:02 AM
That's cool.so is that possible to run tens of MN in my LAN with the same IP ?
Currently each Darkcoin Masternode needs its own discrete IP.
January 18, 2015, 09:20:59 AM
So I will look forward to install a SPR masternode on one of my raspberry Pi's then, and run it from my home?
If I understood you correctly we come closer and closer to one day have our masternode INSIDE our wallet? Having them both be the same thing if a person desires? (Another person might desire to run a big server why not)
If I understood you correctly we come closer and closer to one day have our masternode INSIDE our wallet? Having them both be the same thing if a person desires? (Another person might desire to run a big server why not)
You can run bitcoind on a pi with a bit of effort but spreadcoind in Masternode mode is going to have a shitload more overhead, I don't think a pi is going to cut it. Plenty of better spec'd cheap little SOC boards out there though.
And a Masternode is just a wallet with some linked collateral, I regularly use a wallet that happens to also 'be' a Masternode.
January 18, 2015, 08:14:07 AM
Guys, is it possible to say "this is my masternode's ip"? because I want to use no-ip.org which gives you a static ip. But it is actually just a redirect type thing. (i don't know what it's called)
So yeah, can I run a masternode from my (dynamic ip) house like this?
Initial masternode implementation will not require you to have a static IP. Instant transactions simply don't require this: someone broadcasts transaction, masternode receive this transactions, sign it and broadcasts this signature, there is no need for anyone to directly connect to masternodes. Nodes will monitor time delays between receiving transactions and confirmations from masternodes and will assign scores for each masternode according to these delays. This score and deposit amount will affect which masternodes will receive payments.So yeah, can I run a masternode from my (dynamic ip) house like this?
What is actually important here is not a whether your IP address is static or dynamic but whether or not you can accept incoming connections. I want to make it optional in the future so that if your masternode can accept connections you will broadcast your IP address, if your IP address is dynamic then you will just broadcast another message to announce your new address. Both initiator of transaction and masternodes want to confirm transaction as fast as possible and initiator will be able send transaction directly to required masternodes, since this will decrease delays between transactions and confirmations masternodes which can accept connections will be valued higher.
Requiring masternodes to have static IPs and accept connections makes network more centralized because many people will run their masternodes on hostings like Amazon, we don't want many of our masternodes to be located in the same datacenter, right? Possibility to rebroadcast your address fixes this at least partially because you don't need to have static IP and may be able to accept connections on your home computer (this depends on your ISP).
January 18, 2015, 07:27:09 AM
Guys, is it possible to say "this is my masternode's ip"? because I want to use no-ip.org which gives you a static ip. But it is actually just a redirect type thing. (i don't know what it's called)
So yeah, can I run a masternode from my (dynamic ip) house like this?
Initial masternode implementation will not require you to have a static IP. Instant transactions simply don't require this: someone broadcasts transaction, masternode receive this transactions, sign it and broadcasts this signature, there is no need for anyone to directly connect to masternodes. Nodes will monitor time delays between receiving transactions and confirmations from masternodes and will assign scores for each masternode according to these delays. This score and deposit amount will affect which masternodes will receive payments.So yeah, can I run a masternode from my (dynamic ip) house like this?
What is actually important here is not a whether your IP address is static or dynamic but whether or not you can accept incoming connections. I want to make it optional in the future so that if your masternode can accept connections you will broadcast your IP address, if your IP address is dynamic then you will just broadcast another message to announce your new address. Both initiator of transaction and masternodes want to confirm transaction as fast as possible and initiator will be able send transaction directly to required masternodes, since this will decrease delays between transactions and confirmations masternodes which can accept connections will be valued higher.
All this knowledge you have is exactly why I invested in you.
Requiring masternodes to have static IPs and accept connections makes network more centralized because many people will run their masternodes on hostings like Amazon, we don't want many of our masternodes to be located in the same datacenter, right? Possibility to rebroadcast your address fixes this at least partially because you don't need to have static IP and may be able to accept connections on your home computer (this depends on your ISP).
So I will look forward to install a SPR masternode on one of my raspberry Pi's then, and run it from my home?
If I understood you correctly we come closer and closer to one day have our masternode INSIDE our wallet? Having them both be the same thing if a person desires? (Another person might desire to run a big server why not)
January 18, 2015, 07:24:19 AM
....they are subtracting points in 4D space ...
...subtracting points in 4D space....
you just blew my fuc*king mind.
Care to explain what each of the 4 dimensions of such an "object" represents?
Can it be that they are the 4 numbers that represent an IP?
January 18, 2015, 07:11:12 AM
Sweet jebus, you guys see what's going on with DRK? 25k buy wall put up at the best price by Otoh for Darkcoin's bday.
Shouldn't be long before Spreadcoin gets some of them heavy-hitters.
JL
Oh yes I heard it was DarkCoin's Birthday today! Well that's kind of cool to see another Crypto survive a year Shouldn't be long before Spreadcoin gets some of them heavy-hitters.
JL
Can't wait to celebrate SpreadCoin's first year Birthday this year and I'm sure we will be celebrating it as one of the Top 10 coins 
Anyone think that is a possibility? Because I do Yes, today is Darkcoins first birthday, let's celebrate this.
At Noon PST there will be a special bitcoin rush episode running on youtube at the world crypto network. https://www.youtube.com/user/WorldCryptoNetwork
So in about
We will see the host interview eduffield.
And I created a few cartoon animations for this episode so I hope you will all watch and enjoy!
PS I am looking forward to SPR's first birthday too. Until then, let's work our asses of and make SPR just as big as DRK!
January 18, 2015, 04:35:57 AM
Oh, that is interesting. Correct - hash functions are great at that, but it depends on what you put in them to start with...
This is how it is described in the white paper:Code:
For (mastenode in masternodes)
{
n = masternode.CalculateScore();
if (n > best_score) {
best_score = n;
winning_node = masternode;
}
}
CMasterNode::CalculateScore()
{
n1 = GetProofOfWorkHash(nBlockHeight); // get the hash of this block
n2 = x11(n1); // hash the POW hash to increase the entropy
n3 = abs(n2 - masternode_vin);
return n3;
}
Code:
n3 = abs(n2 - masternode_vin);
Code:
n3 = hash(n2, masternode_vin);
As I said the actual algorithm used in DarkCoin is more complicated and probably more secure, still there is no reason to not simply use usual hash instead.
January 18, 2015, 04:33:41 AM
Guys, is it possible to say "this is my masternode's ip"? because I want to use no-ip.org which gives you a static ip. But it is actually just a redirect type thing. (i don't know what it's called)
So yeah, can I run a masternode from my (dynamic ip) house like this?
Initial masternode implementation will not require you to have a static IP. Instant transactions simply don't require this: someone broadcasts transaction, masternode receive this transactions, sign it and broadcasts this signature, there is no need for anyone to directly connect to masternodes. Nodes will monitor time delays between receiving transactions and confirmations from masternodes and will assign scores for each masternode according to these delays. This score and deposit amount will affect which masternodes will receive payments.So yeah, can I run a masternode from my (dynamic ip) house like this?
What is actually important here is not a whether your IP address is static or dynamic but whether or not you can accept incoming connections. I want to make it optional in the future so that if your masternode can accept connections you will broadcast your IP address, if your IP address is dynamic then you will just broadcast another message to announce your new address. Both initiator of transaction and masternodes want to confirm transaction as fast as possible and initiator will be able send transaction directly to required masternodes, since this will decrease delays between transactions and confirmations masternodes which can accept connections will be valued higher.
Requiring masternodes to have static IPs and accept connections makes network more centralized because many people will run their masternodes on hostings like Amazon, we don't want many of our masternodes to be located in the same datacenter, right? Possibility to rebroadcast your address fixes this at least partially because you don't need to have static IP and may be able to accept connections on your home computer (this depends on your ISP).
How do I enable incoming connections? I know how to port forward, do I need to?
Edit:
My computer has been on all day and I just looked at the wallet and I have 51 connections!
Does that indicate anything? January 18, 2015, 04:19:50 AM
Guys, is it possible to say "this is my masternode's ip"? because I want to use no-ip.org which gives you a static ip. But it is actually just a redirect type thing. (i don't know what it's called)
So yeah, can I run a masternode from my (dynamic ip) house like this?
Initial masternode implementation will not require you to have a static IP. Instant transactions simply don't require this: someone broadcasts transaction, masternode receive this transactions, sign it and broadcasts this signature, there is no need for anyone to directly connect to masternodes. Nodes will monitor time delays between receiving transactions and confirmations from masternodes and will assign scores for each masternode according to these delays. This score and deposit amount will affect which masternodes will receive payments.So yeah, can I run a masternode from my (dynamic ip) house like this?
What is actually important here is not a whether your IP address is static or dynamic but whether or not you can accept incoming connections. I want to make it optional in the future so that if your masternode can accept connections you will broadcast your IP address, if your IP address is dynamic then you will just broadcast another message to announce your new address. Both initiator of transaction and masternodes want to confirm transaction as fast as possible and initiator will be able send transaction directly to required masternodes, since this will decrease delays between transactions and confirmations masternodes which can accept connections will be valued higher.
Requiring masternodes to have static IPs and accept connections makes network more centralized because many people will run their masternodes on hostings like Amazon, we don't want many of our masternodes to be located in the same datacenter, right? Possibility to rebroadcast your address fixes this at least partially because you don't need to have static IP and may be able to accept connections on your home computer (this depends on your ISP).
January 18, 2015, 03:20:51 AM
What's centralized about what i said? You think one person having 10% of a network is centralization?
If you really believe that 10% is menial, give me 10% of your cryptos, then tell me how decentralized you feel in the morning.
One person owning x% of the Masternodes is a very different thing from one person owning x% of the hashpower. Probability of attack success does not scale linearly with attacker numbers when it comes to Masternodes.
Masternodes are selected each block/transaction effectively randomly, in an n-of-m fashion.
Do the math on the chances of 10% of Masternodes belonging to one person being compromised enabling anyone to trace a transaction through for example 8 rounds of Darksend:
0.1^8 = 0.00000001.
Good luck with that.
At 51% compromised Masternodes it rises to a mighty 4.58% chance of success, vs a 51% hashpower attack which has a 100% chance of success.
If you're not getting that Masternodes are fucking awesome, I suggest laying off whatever shit you're smoking and injecting some steroids directly into your brain. Might take you a few stabs to locate it...
January 18, 2015, 01:29:06 AM
wow,all the sell orders below 0.0006 sato were hit at c-cex!
Hehe - sorry it was me - I had no choice - was trying to get BTC into Paybase before they took it down. Alas - I was too slow. I only sold 300 SPR. Nothing nefarious! There was serious manipulation on XPY and I wanted more! LOL
January 18, 2015, 12:50:43 AM
wow,all the sell orders below 0.0006 sato were hit at c-cex!
January 18, 2015, 12:08:31 AM
Sweet jebus, you guys see what's going on with DRK? 25k buy wall put up at the best price by Otoh for Darkcoin's bday.
Shouldn't be long before Spreadcoin gets some of them heavy-hitters.
JL
Oh yes I heard it was DarkCoin's Birthday today! Well that's kind of cool to see another Crypto survive a year Shouldn't be long before Spreadcoin gets some of them heavy-hitters.
JL
Can't wait to celebrate SpreadCoin's first year Birthday this year and I'm sure we will be celebrating it as one of the Top 10 coins Anyone think that is a possibility? Because I do 
January 17, 2015, 11:34:03 PM
Sweet jebus, you guys see what's going on with DRK? 25k buy wall put up at the best price by Otoh for Darkcoin's bday.
Shouldn't be long before Spreadcoin gets some of them heavy-hitters.
JL
Shouldn't be long before Spreadcoin gets some of them heavy-hitters.
JL
January 17, 2015, 11:13:14 PM
Sorry to distract from the masternode conversations that are going on but is anyone else aware that SpreadCoin is now Top 7 volume on Bittrex and holding around 57k to 60k a coin steady This is really good to see the steady growth of this coin so it is still relatively cheap for anyone that can't mine this coin to still get involved with it and still turn a decent profit Anyways just wanted to throw that little bit of info out there Cheers and keep SPREADing the love folks
This is really good to see the steady growth of this coin so it is still relatively cheap for anyone that can't mine this coin to still get involved with it and still turn a decent profit Anyways just wanted to throw that little bit of info out there Cheers and keep SPREADing the love folks Jump to: