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Topic: [ANN] SpreadCoin | True Decentralization (No Pools) | Testing New Masternodes - page 272. (Read 810099 times)

legendary
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I have a question about the decentralised mining model proposition for this coin- I get the fundamentals, I  really do since I currently mine DRK over p2p, but how easy is it for one massive miner with a few GPUs, or even a botnet of CPU miners to take over the hashing power? Can the argument be made that non pooled mining might decrease the centralisation problem, but that solo mining makes the payoff for the miner an unknown quantity? Even if you are a small miner in a centralised pool system your payments for securing the network can be earned simply because you share the pool with a massive farm based mining operation; they find a block, you still win, you find a block and they still win. It may be centralised, which there are legitimate arguments against, but it also introduces certainty for the miner.

Yet, with spread, securing the blockchain becomes a task in which there is no certain payout. There is no sharing of rewards to secure the blockchain, i.e, eventually the majority of spreadcoin will be made up of big miners as the little ones will just move onto another crypto that pays out. So instead of decentralising the mining across the board, we have single entities who make it a zero sum game for smaller miners who might want to get in on spread. I say this as someone who has tried to mine the coin for a day and have not been paid out. Now I know variance exists and some days I might get very fortunate and get a couple of blocks, but the point is there is no incentive for the network to be made up of small miners and centralises distribution in the hands of the few big ones. I know the more hashrate you have the bigger piece you should get, but in a regular pool environment even the smallest miner will get a piece of that pie-in this environment it's win or lose.  Please don't see this as bashing the coin, I find the concept with this coin extremely enticing, but just imagine me as a potential miner and try to convince me to join up, explain how the end-game mining model would look for this coin later on.

After mining spread for 24 hours with my 7950 I found no blocks. Mining DRK (I have no animosity to Spread as I am mainly a DRK miner)  there were a few blocks found in that same time period over p2p.

Long term you will make just as much solo mining, probably more as there are no fees involved. If you are only interested in short term dumping to BTC/fiat then this is not the currency for you.

Mining's primary goal is to secure the blockchain, not guarantee miner income. Some people have more hashpower and will thus earn more, same as any other cryptocurrency, regardless of whether they mine via a pool or solo - I'm not seeing how that situation is any better or worse with Spread than anything else. Spread just eliminates the risk of centralised bad actors.

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I have a question about the decentralised mining model proposition for this coin- I get the fundamentals, I  really do since I currently mine DRK over p2p, but how easy is it for one massive miner with a few GPUs, or even a botnet of CPU miners to take over the hashing power? Can the argument be made that non pooled mining might decrease the centralisation problem, but that solo mining makes the payoff for the miner an unknown quantity? Even if you are a small miner in a centralised pool system your payments for securing the network can be earned simply because you share the pool with a massive farm based mining operation; they find a block, you still win, you find a block and they still win. It may be centralised, which there are legitimate arguments against, but it also introduces certainty for the miner.

Yet, with spread, securing the blockchain becomes a task in which there is no certain payout. There is no sharing of rewards to secure the blockchain, i.e, eventually the majority of spreadcoin will be made up of big miners as the little ones will just move onto another crypto that pays out. So instead of decentralising the mining across the board, we have single entities who make it a zero sum game for smaller miners who might want to get in on spread. I say this as someone who has tried to mine the coin for a day and have not been paid out. Now I know variance exists and some days I might get very fortunate and get a couple of blocks, but the point is there is no incentive for the network to be made up of small miners and centralises distribution in the hands of the few big ones. I know the more hashrate you have the bigger piece you should get, but in a regular pool environment even the smallest miner will get a piece of that pie-in this environment it's win or lose.  Please don't see this as bashing the coin, I find the concept with this coin extremely enticing, but just imagine me as a potential miner and try to convince me to join up, explain how the end-game mining model would look for this coin later on.

After mining spread for 24 hours with my 7950 I found no blocks. Mining DRK (I have no animosity to Spread as I am mainly a DRK miner)  there were a few blocks found in that same time period over p2p.





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Price still steadily climbing and climbing folks Smiley Gotta love that Smiley Still need to score more Spread though before it really gets out of control Smiley
newbie
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http://www.reddit.com/r/Spreadcoin/

Apparently there's "~4 users here now".
How is it this popular when there's only 4 outdated discussions? Cheesy

because reddit is for trolls and kids
legendary
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hum...my wallet displayed a mined block today at 17:04 but it does not appears on my transactions...that's weird....
legendary
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Crypto since 2014
http://www.reddit.com/r/Spreadcoin/

Apparently there's "~4 users here now".
How is it this popular when there's only 4 outdated discussions? Cheesy
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I've been hearing a lot of people commenting today on how Ripple or Stellar will be the next Bitcoin and Litecoin but I honestly can't see that happening.  DarkCoin and SpreadCoin rising above other coins I can see happening but there needs to also be exchanges where people can buy SpreadCoin and DarkCoin with Fiat for it to officially be unattached from Bitcoin totally.  If that was to happen and more real world adoption was implemented into either of these two coins then I think we could see both or one of those two coins taking the top spots one day Smiley
I'm not sure if it's too early but you could contact Anycoindirect, they're a pretty big player and already sell trough sofort, ideal and various other fiat payment methods.
I almost deal with them on a daily basis and no negative exp in buying or selling LTC, BTC, DRK so far. Buying is instantly delivered (depending on the coin ofcourse) while selling you'll have your money the next business day Smiley

Edit; Meaning, a way to buy SPR directly instead of BTC <-> SPR.
legendary
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just read first 3 pages of discussion. holy Putin... no one believed in this coin, just like BTC.  
Find time to read the entire thread.  You'll come to love Mr. Spread and this coin.
What if SpreadCoin became the next BTC?? Holy CRAP that would be pretty sweet and I would retire if that happened Wink lol

Bitcoin is toast. It was a great proof of concept for blockchain technology but it's been superseded technologically, and centralised mining and the great ASIC arms race have made it basically worthless.

It's definitely not toast.  It MAY get uglier as more big mining groups are forced to liquidate, but it will find an equilibrium.  Especially since it is the means of exchange for altcoins.  If I think Darkcoin is a deal at $1.00, for any sort of liquidity and fair pricing, I have to buy BTC to get Dark at $1.00.

Until exchanges move to a different means of exchange or the USD markets become much more liquid, Bitcoin will maintain viability and find equilibrium.  At some point all of this may change, but not yet.  As I mentioned previously, I suspect that Ripple will be the next billion dollar coin.  I'm not a fan but have invested in it simply for monetary gain.  I like SPR a hell of a lot more than Ripple though.

That's actually what I mean - Bitcoin is currently a neccesary evil, 10 minute blocktimes (if you're lucky) are painful for traders, hence nearly everyone leaves their money on exchanges and risks loss due to incompetence or thievery.

I'm really hoping that InstantX will change that, if it's adopted by traders. I'd love to see fully atomic exchanges - deposit/trade/pushed withdrawal, all in under a minute. Fast and low risk.

I think the current BTC/DRK ratio is absurd. DRK worth less than 1% of BTC? That has to change, rationality eventually catches up with even the most irrational markets.
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I've been hearing a lot of people commenting today on how Ripple or Stellar will be the next Bitcoin and Litecoin but I honestly can't see that happening.  DarkCoin and SpreadCoin rising above other coins I can see happening but there needs to also be exchanges where people can buy SpreadCoin and DarkCoin with Fiat for it to officially be unattached from Bitcoin totally.  If that was to happen and more real world adoption was implemented into either of these two coins then I think we could see both or one of those two coins taking the top spots one day Smiley
legendary
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Premine is bad. 100% premine is realy bad.
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I've been pondering how competitive masternodes would affect SPR in a market like we're seeing.  How would I react if I had 10 SPR masternodes and the price of BTC was tanking.  Would I use it as a means to get out of BTC and strengthen my masternodes by adding SPR to them?

I'm not sure.  Has anyone else been pondering this?
hero member
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just read first 3 pages of discussion. holy Putin... no one believed in this coin, just like BTC.  
Find time to read the entire thread.  You'll come to love Mr. Spread and this coin.
What if SpreadCoin became the next BTC?? Holy CRAP that would be pretty sweet and I would retire if that happened Wink lol

Bitcoin is toast. It was a great proof of concept for blockchain technology but it's been superseded technologically, and centralised mining and the great ASIC arms race have made it basically worthless.

It's definitely not toast.  It MAY get uglier as more big mining groups are forced to liquidate, but it will find an equilibrium.  Especially since it is the means of exchange for altcoins.  If I think Darkcoin is a deal at $1.00, for any sort of liquidity and fair pricing, I have to buy BTC to get Dark at $1.00.

Until exchanges move to a different means of exchange or the USD markets become much more liquid, Bitcoin will maintain viability and find equilibrium.  At some point all of this may change, but not yet.  As I mentioned previously, I suspect that Ripple will be the next billion dollar coin.  I'm not a fan but have invested in it simply for monetary gain.  I like SPR a hell of a lot more than Ripple though.
hero member
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just read first 3 pages of discussion. holy Putin... no one believed in this coin, just like BTC.  
Find time to read the entire thread.  You'll come to love Mr. Spread and this coin.
What if SpreadCoin became the next BTC?? Holy CRAP that would be pretty sweet and I would retire if that happened Wink lol

I've been trading alt coins for over a year and every time I've seen this phrase on these crypto boards referring to that crypto as the next BTC it has signified a top in that crypto.
Hmmmmmm... We'll see...
JL
The difference here is Noob used, "What if".  There's nothing wrong with a little dreaming.  My observation is the, "[X Coin] is the next BTC" conversations begin when there is euphoria over the price rise of the coin or shitcoin investors getting desperate and yes, that is often a top.

With SPR, the price is backed by the current fundamentals.  If Mr. Spread is able to implement the decentralized masternodes, then the fundamentals will support a significant price increase.  
legendary
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just read first 3 pages of discussion. holy Putin... no one believed in this coin, just like BTC. 
Find time to read the entire thread.  You'll come to love Mr. Spread and this coin.
What if SpreadCoin became the next BTC?? Holy CRAP that would be pretty sweet and I would retire if that happened Wink lol

Bitcoin is toast. It was a great proof of concept for blockchain technology but it's been superseded technologically, and centralised mining and the great ASIC arms race have made it basically worthless.

So far (Mr) Spread is doing everything right, but ease of use and accessibility need to be the focus as well as technical innovation.  

I don't see any one cryptocurrency dominating the landscape as Bitcoin dies off, but the current price crash will hopefully kill off a lot of the dross and Spread has a great chance of being one of the serious contenders for the future.


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just read first 3 pages of discussion. holy Putin... no one believed in this coin, just like BTC. 
Find time to read the entire thread.  You'll come to love Mr. Spread and this coin.
What if SpreadCoin became the next BTC?? Holy CRAP that would be pretty sweet and I would retire if that happened Wink lol

I've been trading alt coins for over a year and every time I've seen this phrase on these crypto boards referring to that crypto as the next BTC it has signified a top in that crypto.
Hmmmmmm... We'll see...
JL
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just read first 3 pages of discussion. holy Putin... no one believed in this coin, just like BTC. 
Find time to read the entire thread.  You'll come to love Mr. Spread and this coin.
What if SpreadCoin became the next BTC?? Holy CRAP that would be pretty sweet and I would retire if that happened Wink lol
hero member
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just read first 3 pages of discussion. holy Putin... no one believed in this coin, just like BTC. 
Find time to read the entire thread.  You'll come to love Mr. Spread and this coin.
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If someone bought SPR with BTC weeks ago,he successfully espcaped the free-ball disaster .  Grin

Thats what I did. Havent lost a dime.  Cool
wise decision~~ Wink
Very wise indeed Wink
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If someone bought SPR with BTC weeks ago,he successfully espcaped the free-ball disaster .  Grin

Thats what I did. Havent lost a dime.  Cool
wise decision~~ Wink
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I like the idea of a bunch of the altcoin logos stacked as a building and the SpreadCoin logo being cannonballed at the building and knocking it down lol That's a good idea Smiley Or what about a bunch of heavily pool mined coins chilling in a kiddie pool signifying that they are "Pool" mined and SpreadCoin logo as the LifeGuard lol or something along those lines I dunno just some thoughts lol Also gotta go out and buy some more SpreadCoin right now before this price goes crazy Smiley Cheers
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