End of the story...
Uh-huh, again the tell-tale device of writing as though prediction were fact, presenting a fiction as a logical premise. Another one for the ignore list.
Cheers
Graham
Topic: [ANN] SpreadCoin | True Decentralization (No Pools) | Testing New Masternodes - page 71. (Read 810098 times)
March 04, 2015, 04:21:44 AM
Uh-huh, again the tell-tale device of writing as though prediction were fact, presenting a fiction as a logical premise. Another one for the ignore list.
Cheers
Graham
March 04, 2015, 03:00:58 AM
So guys... What is the plan?
What to do with my 4K SPR?
Take 0.2 BTC and run?
Or wait that aliens implement master nodes?
What to do with my 4K SPR?
Take 0.2 BTC and run?
Or wait that aliens implement master nodes?
Consider your investment gone and hold the spr. Thats what I'm doing.
Well that what I was thinking...
Anyway what I'll do with 0.2 BTC? I'll buy what hmmm like14 DRK with that? lol
If I consider that in one year it'll be 100$/DRK .... Don't know...
Bit drk could be the same or worse and spr could be 100 per
Sell if you want, but I think you will regret it.
lol...
I'll keep my SPR, I don't care about 0.2 btc. I already have 3 time more drk.. 14 more DRK is not the point.
But I don't think that SPR will go anywhere... Even if HE re-appear the damage is done...
End of the story...
I think you're right Lebubar. It's admirable that people are stepping forward to try and grab hold of this and make it work. But a project like this needs a leader, a visionary. And it really needs to be one leader, one visionary, one driver, not a loose collection of individuals that's effectively a "committee" development team.
I know everyone compares what's happened with SPR to what happened when Satoshi left Bitcoin, but that situation and what's happened here are two completely different scenarios. Bitcoin was far more established (even though it was still fledgling in many ways) and it was a break through development that many people saw as being too important (i.e. there was more momentum around the fact that bitcoin was completely revolutionary). By comparison in many ways SPR has no clear purpose to exist. It was somewhat confused from the beginning with the choice by Mr Spread to not implement Darksend but instead focus on masternodes and InstantX. Without an anon focus, one wondered what it would be for then. fast transactions aren't enough for a coin to get adopted, there needs to be other attractive functions and capabilities.
I think it's great that coins101 is exploring so many different potential uses of the masternode network (and I really hope he's successful with some angle), but it also highlights all too starkly that SPR doesn't have a definitive purpose or direction. This is it's glaring problem that will only get worse as the weeks go by.
March 04, 2015, 01:27:29 AM
So guys... What is the plan?
What to do with my 4K SPR?
Take 0.2 BTC and run?
Or wait that aliens implement master nodes?
What to do with my 4K SPR?
Take 0.2 BTC and run?
Or wait that aliens implement master nodes?
Consider your investment gone and hold the spr. Thats what I'm doing.
Well that what I was thinking...
Anyway what I'll do with 0.2 BTC? I'll buy what hmmm like14 DRK with that? lol
If I consider that in one year it'll be 100$/DRK .... Don't know...
Bit drk could be the same or worse and spr could be 100 per
Sell if you want, but I think you will regret it.
lol...
I'll keep my SPR, I don't care about 0.2 btc. I already have 3 time more drk.. 14 more DRK is not the point.
But I don't think that SPR will go anywhere... Even if HE re-appear the damage is done...
End of the story...
March 04, 2015, 01:18:58 AM
So guys... What is the plan?
What to do with my 4K SPR?
Take 0.2 BTC and run?
Or wait that aliens implement master nodes?
What to do with my 4K SPR?
Take 0.2 BTC and run?
Or wait that aliens implement master nodes?
Consider your investment gone and hold the spr. Thats what I'm doing.
Well that what I was thinking...
Anyway what I'll do with 0.2 BTC? I'll buy what hmmm like14 DRK with that? lol
If I consider that in one year it'll be 100$/DRK .... Don't know...
Bit drk could be the same or worse and spr could be 100 per
Sell if you want, but I think you will regret it.
March 04, 2015, 12:59:13 AM
So guys... What is the plan?
What to do with my 4K SPR?
Take 0.2 BTC and run?
Or wait that aliens implement master nodes?
What to do with my 4K SPR?
Take 0.2 BTC and run?
Or wait that aliens implement master nodes?
Consider your investment gone and hold the spr. Thats what I'm doing.
Well that what I was thinking...
Anyway what I'll do with 0.2 BTC? I'll buy what hmmm like14 DRK with that? lol
If I consider that in one year it'll be 100$/DRK .... Don't know...
Bit drk could be the same or worse and spr could be 100 per
March 04, 2015, 12:59:02 AM
thats magic ocminer ...
#crysx
March 04, 2015, 12:14:47 AM
hahah wow this is fucking gold
No not gold. Spread
March 03, 2015, 11:46:25 PM
So guys... What is the plan?
What to do with my 4K SPR?
Take 0.2 BTC and run?
Or wait that aliens implement master nodes?
What to do with my 4K SPR?
Take 0.2 BTC and run?
Or wait that aliens implement master nodes?
Consider your investment gone and hold the spr. Thats what I'm doing.
Well that what I was thinking...
Anyway what I'll do with 0.2 BTC? I'll buy what hmmm like14 DRK with that? lol
If I consider that in one year it'll be 100$/DRK .... Don't know...
Bit drk could be the same or worse and spr could be 100 per
March 03, 2015, 11:38:26 PM
So guys... What is the plan?
What to do with my 4K SPR?
Take 0.2 BTC and run?
Or wait that aliens implement master nodes?
What to do with my 4K SPR?
Take 0.2 BTC and run?
Or wait that aliens implement master nodes?
Consider your investment gone and hold the spr. Thats what I'm doing.
Well that what I was thinking...
Anyway what I'll do with 0.2 BTC? I'll buy what hmmm like14 DRK with that? lol
If I consider that in one year it'll be 100$/DRK .... Don't know...
March 03, 2015, 11:31:35 PM
So guys... What is the plan?
What to do with my 4K SPR?
Take 0.2 BTC and run?
Or wait that aliens implement master nodes?
What to do with my 4K SPR?
Take 0.2 BTC and run?
Or wait that aliens implement master nodes?
Consider your investment gone and hold the spr. Thats what I'm doing.
March 03, 2015, 11:17:04 PM
So guys... What is the plan?
What to do with my 4K SPR?
Take 0.2 BTC and run?
Or wait that aliens implement master nodes?
What to do with my 4K SPR?
Take 0.2 BTC and run?
Or wait that aliens implement master nodes?
March 03, 2015, 06:05:55 PM
The traceable ring signature used in cryptonote https://cryptonote.org/whitepaper.pdf looks like:
KEYGEN: P_i=x_i*G, I_i=x_i*H(P_i)
SIGN: as signer j; random s_i, w_i
(I relabeled q_i as s_i to be more standard, and relabeled the signer s as signer j)
IF i=j THEN L_i=s_i*G ELSE L_i=s_i*G+w_i*P_i
IF i=j THEN R_i=s_i*H(P_i) ELSE R_i=s_i*H(P_i)+w_i*I_j
c=h(m,L_1,...,L_n,R_1,...,R_n)
IF i=j THEN c_i=c-sum_{i!=j}(c_i) ELSE c_i=w_i
IF i=j THEN r_i=w_i-c_i*x_i ELSE r_i=w_i
\sigma = (m,I_j,c_1,...,c_n,r_1,...,r_n)
VERIFY:
L_i'=r_i*G+c_i*P_i
R_i'=r_i*H(P_i)+c_i*I_j
sum_{1..n}( c_j ) =? h(m,L_1',...,L_n',R_1',...,R_n')
LINK: reject duplicate I_j values.
where H(.) is a hash2curve function (taking a value in Zn and deterministically mapping it to a curve point), and h(.) is a hash function with a hash output size very close to n the order of the curve, ie h(.)=SHA256(.) mod n.
Towards finding a more compact ring signature I'd been trying to find a way to make c_i into a CPRNG generated sequence as they are basically arbitrary, though they must be bound to the rest of the signature (non-malleable) so that you can compute at most n-1 existential signature forgeries without knowing any private keys.
I found this paper "1-out-of-n Signatures from a Variety of Keys" by Abe, Ohkubo and Suzuki http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.363.3431&rep=rep1&type=pdf section 5.1 shows a way to do it. I show here how to add traceability to it in a way that makes it compatible with crypto note:
KEYGEN: P_i=x_i*G, I_i=x_i*H(P_i)
SIGN: as signer j; \alpha = random, \forall_{i!=j} s_i = random
c_{j+1} = h(P_1,...,P_n,\alpha*G,\alpha*H(P_j))
c_{j+2} = h(P_1,...,P_n,s_{j+1}*G+c_{j+1}*P_{j+1},s_{j+1}*H(P_{j+1})+c_{j+1}*I_j)
...
c_j = h(P_1,...,P_n,s_{j-1}*G+c_{j-1}*P_{j-1},s_{j-1}*H(P_{j-1})+c_{j-1}*I_j)
so that defines c_1,...,c_n with j values taken mod l some number of signers. Next find the s_j value:
Now \alpha*G = s_j*G+c_j*P_j so \alpha = s_j+c_j*x_j so s_j = \alpha - c_j*x_j mod n.
Similarly \alpha*H(P_j) = s_j*H(P_j)+c_j*I_j so \alpha works there too.
\sigma = (m,I_j,c_1,s_1,...,s_n)
VERIFY:
\forall_{i=1..n} compute e_i=s_i*G+c_i*P_i and E_i=s_i*H(P_i)+c_i*I_j and c_{i+1}=h(P_1,...,P_n,e_i,E_i)
check c_{n+1}=c_1
LINK: reject duplicate I_j values.
This alternate linkable ring signature tends to 1/2 the size of the crypto note ring signature as the signature is 3+n values vs 2+2n values.
Adam
KEYGEN: P_i=x_i*G, I_i=x_i*H(P_i)
SIGN: as signer j; random s_i, w_i
(I relabeled q_i as s_i to be more standard, and relabeled the signer s as signer j)
IF i=j THEN L_i=s_i*G ELSE L_i=s_i*G+w_i*P_i
IF i=j THEN R_i=s_i*H(P_i) ELSE R_i=s_i*H(P_i)+w_i*I_j
c=h(m,L_1,...,L_n,R_1,...,R_n)
IF i=j THEN c_i=c-sum_{i!=j}(c_i) ELSE c_i=w_i
IF i=j THEN r_i=w_i-c_i*x_i ELSE r_i=w_i
\sigma = (m,I_j,c_1,...,c_n,r_1,...,r_n)
VERIFY:
L_i'=r_i*G+c_i*P_i
R_i'=r_i*H(P_i)+c_i*I_j
sum_{1..n}( c_j ) =? h(m,L_1',...,L_n',R_1',...,R_n')
LINK: reject duplicate I_j values.
where H(.) is a hash2curve function (taking a value in Zn and deterministically mapping it to a curve point), and h(.) is a hash function with a hash output size very close to n the order of the curve, ie h(.)=SHA256(.) mod n.
Towards finding a more compact ring signature I'd been trying to find a way to make c_i into a CPRNG generated sequence as they are basically arbitrary, though they must be bound to the rest of the signature (non-malleable) so that you can compute at most n-1 existential signature forgeries without knowing any private keys.
I found this paper "1-out-of-n Signatures from a Variety of Keys" by Abe, Ohkubo and Suzuki http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.363.3431&rep=rep1&type=pdf section 5.1 shows a way to do it. I show here how to add traceability to it in a way that makes it compatible with crypto note:
KEYGEN: P_i=x_i*G, I_i=x_i*H(P_i)
SIGN: as signer j; \alpha = random, \forall_{i!=j} s_i = random
c_{j+1} = h(P_1,...,P_n,\alpha*G,\alpha*H(P_j))
c_{j+2} = h(P_1,...,P_n,s_{j+1}*G+c_{j+1}*P_{j+1},s_{j+1}*H(P_{j+1})+c_{j+1}*I_j)
...
c_j = h(P_1,...,P_n,s_{j-1}*G+c_{j-1}*P_{j-1},s_{j-1}*H(P_{j-1})+c_{j-1}*I_j)
so that defines c_1,...,c_n with j values taken mod l some number of signers. Next find the s_j value:
Now \alpha*G = s_j*G+c_j*P_j so \alpha = s_j+c_j*x_j so s_j = \alpha - c_j*x_j mod n.
Similarly \alpha*H(P_j) = s_j*H(P_j)+c_j*I_j so \alpha works there too.
\sigma = (m,I_j,c_1,s_1,...,s_n)
VERIFY:
\forall_{i=1..n} compute e_i=s_i*G+c_i*P_i and E_i=s_i*H(P_i)+c_i*I_j and c_{i+1}=h(P_1,...,P_n,e_i,E_i)
check c_{n+1}=c_1
LINK: reject duplicate I_j values.
This alternate linkable ring signature tends to 1/2 the size of the crypto note ring signature as the signature is 3+n values vs 2+2n values.
Adam
Adam really likes anon projects.....
March 03, 2015, 04:24:44 PM
This is hilarious, but bitcoin sucks though.
March 03, 2015, 04:15:14 PM
March 03, 2015, 04:10:52 PM
I may seem random.
But there is a master node plan being slowly formed
But there is a master node plan being slowly formed
March 03, 2015, 04:01:56 PM
This whole name thing.
No other project has an ability to have a self branded coin - you know, a wallet which the user can brand as they see fit.
Now.
If that could be extended to other aspects, then people can run their own crypto currency at the front end, but the back end is SPR and Master Nodes.
This can work with, for example, anyone that wants to offer their 'points' to reward customers. Points that can be later redeemed for discounts, special offers, etc.
Simples.
No other project has an ability to have a self branded coin - you know, a wallet which the user can brand as they see fit.
Now.
If that could be extended to other aspects, then people can run their own crypto currency at the front end, but the back end is SPR and Master Nodes.
This can work with, for example, anyone that wants to offer their 'points' to reward customers. Points that can be later redeemed for discounts, special offers, etc.
Simples.
Oh, we should use that as our mascot. All the babes will flock to the project.
Actually, we can also add a free SPR branded or self-branded-for-a-fee App https://github.com/WhisperSystems/Signal-iOS for voice and text on IOS:
https://whispersystems.org/blog/signal/
Very, very simples.
March 03, 2015, 04:00:07 PM
This whole name thing.
No other project has an ability to have a self branded coin - you know, a wallet which the user can brand as they see fit.
Now.
If that could be extended to other aspects, then people can run their own crypto currency at the front end, but the back end is SPR and Master Nodes.
This can work with, for example, anyone that wants to offer their 'points' to reward customers. Points that can be later redeemed for discounts, special offers, etc.
Simples.
No other project has an ability to have a self branded coin - you know, a wallet which the user can brand as they see fit.
Now.
If that could be extended to other aspects, then people can run their own crypto currency at the front end, but the back end is SPR and Master Nodes.
This can work with, for example, anyone that wants to offer their 'points' to reward customers. Points that can be later redeemed for discounts, special offers, etc.
Simples.
March 03, 2015, 03:51:13 PM
Yes. My Farm offered 50,000 SPR for Mr. Spread to return.
Ya I didn't think that MyFarm would've jetted from this coin because he was always offering bounties for things done for the community 
I just haven't been around as much lately and was catching up on things March 03, 2015, 03:37:18 PM
This whole name thing.
No other project has an ability to have a self branded coin - you know, a wallet which the user can brand as they see fit.
Now.
If that could be extended to other aspects, then people can run their own crypto currency at the front end, but the back end is SPR and Master Nodes.
This can work with, for example, anyone that wants to offer their 'points' to reward customers. Points that can be later redeemed for discounts, special offers, etc.
Simples.
No other project has an ability to have a self branded coin - you know, a wallet which the user can brand as they see fit.
Now.
If that could be extended to other aspects, then people can run their own crypto currency at the front end, but the back end is SPR and Master Nodes.
This can work with, for example, anyone that wants to offer their 'points' to reward customers. Points that can be later redeemed for discounts, special offers, etc.
Simples.
March 03, 2015, 03:26:19 PM
Have you seen that the other Darkcoin clone, Ecash has lost its dev too?
Spooooky...
Spooooky...
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