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Hello,

Thank you for the reply. You don't have to buy trust, you guys have got a really nice setup here, so this is what makes me have interest in this coin.
All I am asking now is what will happen exactly with the escrowed premined coins in 2020 will they all be released in one go? How do you protect yourself from being greedy? Could it not be setup in a way that the release of premined coins get's spread out over years later? If the premine is mainly to keep the project going there is no requirement for all the coins to be released in one go?






I had a long talk with Sumoshi and Haruto about revealing our identities before. Both flatly refused to post anything more than their family names here. Sumoshi had some reasons:

1. He created Sumokoin because its features especially built-in anonymity in transactions and he think that will be upmost important in the long run. He chose very high ringsize/mixin (12+) as minimum privacy level (after many debates), rather a "paranoid" level I could say, for that reason.

2. He would never release the coin if he had to sacrifice his anonymity (so did Haruto), partially because the country culture, especially strict corporate culture which questions any side project outside company interests. And that's his life (not purely abt the job or salary but sth about relationship/face, I'm not entirely sure).

All guys who follow this thread from beginning may recognize that we're, by no means, experts in this field; we created Sumokoin accidentally but with a purpose: an ultimately privacy-centric coin. Everything else is up to community judgement. Some feel ok with pseudonym, some not; some are ok with 10% premined (or unknown, yet-up-to 50% like Ethereum, probably 90% - 100% in some ICOs), others may only accept 5% or none. Unfortunately, we cannot please everyone. We also don't try to buy trust by all means, some principles will never change. Investment to any coin, even established one, is a very risky business. Nobody knows what would happen tomorrow, next year or next 5 years. So, if any doubt, pls don't buy the coin. Devs are not in rush, we have a long vision and commitment to Sumokoin and that's all we can give you guys right now.
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I had a long talk with Sumoshi and Haruto about revealing our identities before. Both flatly refused to post anything more than their family names here. Sumoshi had some reasons:

1. He created Sumokoin because its features especially built-in anonymity in transactions and he think that will be upmost important in the long run. He chose very high ringsize/mixin (12+) as minimum privacy level (after many debates), rather a "paranoid" level I could say, for that reason.

2. He would never release the coin if he had to sacrifice his anonymity (so did Haruto), partially because the country culture, especially strict corporate culture which questions any side project outside company interests. And that's his life (not purely abt the job or salary but sth about relationship/face, I'm not entirely sure).

All guys who follow this thread from beginning may recognize that we're, by no means, experts in this field; we created Sumokoin accidentally but with a purpose: an ultimately privacy-centric coin. Everything else is up to community judgement. Some feel ok with pseudonym, some not; some are ok with 10% premined (or unknown, yet-up-to 50% like Ethereum, probably 90% - 100% in some ICOs), others may only accept 5% or none. Unfortunately, we cannot please everyone. We also don't try to buy trust by all means, some principles will never change. Investment to any coin, even established one, is a very risky business. Nobody knows what would happen tomorrow, next year or next 5 years. So, if any doubt, pls don't buy the coin. Devs are not in rush, we have a long vision and commitment to Sumokoin and that's all we can give you guys right now.
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Hi thx for reply,

I agree with many things in your post, so my comparison with the car salesman doesn't quite hold up.
I should have read a bit more about the coin before starting my rant.
I noticed also they have escrowed the premine until 2020 not sure exactly what that means, but I guess until that time those coins are not part or the market. I agree that it makes no sense to dump the coins in a healthy economy. But if they mentioned for instance the premined coins will slowly be released spread out over the next twenty years it would make me feel more comfortable.

So question I have now is will those 8.8 mill premined coins all be on the market in 2020 or only proportions of it, are all the escrowed wallets aimed to be released in 2020

So let's say one coin becomes worth more than a few dollars... the return on that premine would be phenomenal? Even after 3 years. What protects us against them pulling all that money out?








Without knowing someones true identity/ background one should probably not be doing business with them. This is why ebay works? You cut your risk down by buying from a vendor that has good ratings.
But you are not doing business with the developers. Sumokoin is an open software project. All the code is available on Github, so there is no need do trust the developers. If you want to run a node or mine you can check the code for yourself (or if you cannot, you can ask somebody you trust to do it for you).

Or if you want to buy coins from an exchange you are then trusting the exchange, not the developers. You have no idea who is selling the coins you are buying, you just trust that the exchange is being honest and you are in fact getting coins that can be withdrawn to your own wallet.

It would be different if there was no premine.
How exactly would it be different? Certainly the premine gives the developers the ability to crater the price of Sumokoin by dumping the premined coins to the market - but such action would make no economic sense. For a new adopter there is virtually no difference between a premine and people who just mined before I did or bought coins when they were cheap.

And most Monero devs are also pseudonymous. Does that somehow taint the Monero project?
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Without knowing someones true identity/ background one should probably not be doing business with them. This is why ebay works? You cut your risk down by buying from a vendor that has good ratings.
But you are not doing business with the developers. Sumokoin is an open software project. All the code is available on Github, so there is no need do trust the developers. If you want to run a node or mine you can check the code for yourself (or if you cannot, you can ask somebody you trust to do it for you).

Or if you want to buy coins from an exchange you are then trusting the exchange, not the developers. You have no idea who is selling the coins you are buying, you just trust that the exchange is being honest and you are in fact getting coins that can be withdrawn to your own wallet.

It would be different if there was no premine.
How exactly would it be different? Certainly the premine gives the developers the ability to crater the price of Sumokoin by dumping the premined coins to the market - but such action would make no economic sense. For a new adopter there is virtually no difference between a premine and people who just mined before I did or bought coins when they were cheap.

And most Monero devs are also pseudonymous. Does that somehow taint the Monero project?
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Probably, you synced with bad nodes that are still running old version. Pls stop daemon, delete file
Code:
p2pstate.bin
at directory
Code:
C:\ProgramData\sumokoin
and restart it. Maybe you'll have to delete
Code:
Imdb
folder too to resync

Yep... nothing wrong with the code... I was just being a doofus (after taking a minute or two trying to find where the blasted p2pstate.bin file might be in Ubuntu and why I could open the log file in the earlier iteration of Sumo but not the current one... it dawned on me that I'd opened up the old version and started syncing that...).  Roll Eyes

Thanks though
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I try to sync the wallet but it is stock for aware without moving any blocks and then it starts displaying this "2017-Jun-27 10:56:38.225884 [P2P4]IP 128.199.54.20 blocked."
What should I do?

I'm encountering similar behaviour in the daemon since booting this computer up tonight too,  I hadn't encountered this issue before and I'm unsure that it's a firewall problem in my case.  I'm planning on saving my wallets and reinstalling the software.   Jusf for a check I loaded the Aeon daemon (another cryptonote-based one) and that synced properly. (It's sort of annoying because I wanted to open up one of the wallets  Tongue .)


Probably, you synced with bad nodes that are still running old version. Pls stop daemon, delete file
Code:
p2pstate.bin
at directory
Code:
C:\ProgramData\sumokoin
and restart it. Maybe you'll have to delete
Code:
Imdb
folder too to resync
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that is not the same, I am not asking you to invest in my product.

we can all have/ show good intentions but people change when things go south. In the end all of us are here to make money and so are the devs?

Also why would they keep their identity hidden in the end I assume they are meeting up with companies? So their identities should be out in the open?

And if they are really behind their product there is no reason behind hiding identity?

Anyway nice coin, but without the above info I will give it a miss.

The developers provided three names at the top of the thread.  Perhaps those are pseudonyms (although that is doubtful) but they should not feel obligated to declare personal info.  Privacy seems to have certain benefits... consider, for instance that celebrities have to deal with paparazzi and security concerns that a person who isn't a publically-recognized persona doesn't need to bother with.  In some instances, individuals can also be subject to unwarranted or unjustified scrutiny by the state that they live in (particularly in corrupt or despotic countries).  It shouldn't matter to anyone besides yourself if you think the devs have nefarious motivations because they may (or may not) choose to be private.  A person can be anonymous and beneficial **or** be public and be a total good-for-nothing cretin.  Actions and intentions are what count.  You've presented a false dichotomy.

Maybe we all want to hold assets that are good stores of value, effective means of exchange, and are useful units of account (or "make money" as you put it).  We are taking a rationally-calculated risk based on evidence, our individual predictions of future outcomes arising from our present actions and predictions of the actions of others (as much as we can anticipate these anyway).

You cannot or should not expect to always please everybody.


I try to sync the wallet but it is stock for aware without moving any blocks and then it starts displaying this "2017-Jun-27 10:56:38.225884 [P2P4]IP 128.199.54.20 blocked."
What should I do?

I'm encountering similar behaviour in the daemon since booting this computer up tonight too,  I hadn't encountered this issue before and I'm unsure that it's a firewall problem in my case.  I'm planning on saving my wallets and reinstalling the software.   Jusf for a check I loaded the Aeon daemon (another cryptonote-based one) and that synced properly. (It's sort of annoying because I wanted to open up one of the wallets  Tongue .)




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By no means an expert, I don't even know what a hard fork is. Can u eat with that?

And yes I was aware, I meant member of sumokoin forum.

Y altcoins are risky, but if you are denying certain possible red flags you are increasing your riskfactor to a point that you shouldn't call it an investment but a donation to charity.



Your opinion as said before is well respected. Lets see then if the devs fulfill your request and reveal their identities cause it would be nice to have you in the community as well.

I had been in Japan quite a few years and was working with many Japanese staff. I think if Sumoshi were a Japanese with career and family he would never reveal his true identity no matter how the coin succeeds. There is sth deep in the country culture that put no respects to so-called "unofficial jobs", even small entrepreneurs there were talked back as kind of losers LOL. Nakamoto may have the same reason to stay anonymity forever. however, I can always trust their honesty, ethics and professionalism though slow moving, too detailed are minus

P/S: in cryptocurrency world, i dont trust polished identities, if someone wants to get rich quick, there are many ICOs out there to follow but i doubt any of them would bring sth useful at the end
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thx sumogr I have my fingers crossed  Smiley
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By no means an expert, I don't even know what a hard fork is. Can u eat with that?

And yes I was aware, I meant member of sumokoin forum.

Y altcoins are risky, but if you are denying certain possible red flags you are increasing your riskfactor to a point that you shouldn't call it an investment but a donation to charity.



Your opinion as said before is well respected. Lets see then if the devs fulfill your request and reveal their identities cause it would be nice to have you in the community as well.
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By no means an expert, I don't even know what a hard fork is. Can u eat with that?

And yes I was aware, I meant member of sumokoin forum.

Y altcoins are risky, but if you are denying certain possible red flags you are increasing your riskfactor to a point that you shouldn't call it an investment but a donation to charity.

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you must be one of the classiest members of sumokoin I presume?

Sumogr is not a member of the dev team.

He knows that. He just thinks of himself as an expert in the crypto world browsing the forum and giving advice for free.
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you must be one of the classiest members of sumokoin I presume?

Anyway the fact that the dev of bitcoin was anonymous has nothing to do with what I am asking.
Due to the popularity of bitcoin (with a proper platform) people will now invest in it on large scale(also people that at first were very hesitant are now slowly rethinking their options as bitcoin goes mainstream)
it has already proven to be solid and not a scam.

before that bitcoin was a unique investment opportunity. Would u say sumokoin is the same breakthrough, not really, it is a fork of a good altcoin? So stop comparing peers and apples.

Who in their right minds will buy a car from somebody anonymous? Knowing that there is a 10% chance they will later take away your wheels and ignition. Oh sure let's just trust the anonymous car salesman he seems trustworthy.

Most top altcoin devs show their identity..... and besides I have been in to many bitcoin scams that all started like they were trustworthy. So forgive me for being skeptical until proven wrong.

 I am not trying to talk this coin down, I want a reason to invest, so I hope the devs change their minds and just open up on who they are. Until that moment I would advise anyone to stay away!



I am nobody really. There is always a risk in investing in altcoins. Now if the devs want to reveal their identities it is up to them but I doubt it is wise for anyone to reveal his true identity in this world of internet we are living in.

Your opinion is well respected, devs indentity is a marker for you in investing for others is developing, addressing problems with the coin or other aspects. However advising people to stay away shows some bitterness for conflicting your argument about anonymity.

Anyway good luck



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you must be one of the classiest members of sumokoin I presume?

Sumogr is not a member of the dev team.
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Hello,

Could I have a link to the slack?

Thank you
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you must be one of the classiest members of sumokoin I presume?

Anyway the fact that the dev of bitcoin was anonymous has nothing to do with what I am asking.
Due to the popularity of bitcoin (with a proper platform) people will now invest in it on large scale(also people that at first were very hesitant are now slowly rethinking their options as bitcoin goes mainstream)
it has already proven to be solid and not a scam.

before that bitcoin was a unique investment opportunity. Would u say sumokoin is the same breakthrough, not really, it is a fork of a good altcoin? So stop comparing peers and apples.

Who in their right minds will buy a car from somebody anonymous? Knowing that there is a 10% chance they will later take away your wheels and ignition. Oh sure let's just trust the anonymous car salesman he seems trustworthy.

Most top altcoin devs show their identity..... and besides I have been in to many bitcoin scams that all started like they were trustworthy. So forgive me for being skeptical until proven wrong.

 I am not trying to talk this coin down, I want a reason to invest, so I hope the devs change their minds and just open up on who they are. Until that moment I would advise anyone to stay away!













that is not the same, I am not asking you to invest in my product.

we can all have/ show good intentions but people change when things go south. In the end all of us are here to make money and so are the devs?

Also why would they keep their identity hidden in the end I assume they are meeting up with companies? So their identities should be out in the open?

And if they are really behind their product there is no reason behind hiding identity?

Anyway nice coin, but without the above info I will give it a miss.





LOL ok. Give me then the real name and identy of Satoshi, the Bitcoin initial dev. All these people using it dont care who the fuck Satoshi really is. If you do give it though I am gonna give up Sumo and then shut up and die
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that is not the same, I am not asking you to invest in my product.

we can all have/ show good intentions but people change when things go south. In the end all of us are here to make money and so are the devs?

Also why would they keep their identity hidden in the end I assume they are meeting up with companies? So their identities should be out in the open?

And if they are really behind their product there is no reason behind hiding identity?

Anyway nice coin, but without the above info I will give it a miss.





LOL ok. Give me then the real name and identy of Satoshi, the Bitcoin initial dev. All these people using it dont care who the fuck Satoshi really is. If you do give it though I am gonna give up Sumo and then shut up and die
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that is not the same, I am not asking you to invest in my product.

we can all have/ show good intentions but people change when things go south. In the end all of us are here to make money and so are the devs?

Also why would they keep their identity hidden in the end I assume they are meeting up with companies? So their identities should be out in the open?

And if they are really behind their product there is no reason behind hiding identity?

Anyway nice coin, but without the above info I will give it a miss.





LOL with this logic you certainly pass on Bitcoin, since you don't know who Satoshi Nakamoto is.. Good luck Wink)))
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that is not the same, I am not asking you to invest in my product.

we can all have/ show good intentions but people change when things go south. In the end all of us are here to make money and so are the devs?

Also why would they keep their identity hidden in the end I assume they are meeting up with companies? So their identities should be out in the open?

And if they are really behind their product there is no reason behind hiding identity?

Anyway nice coin, but without the above info I will give it a miss.



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