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Topic: [ANN] TagCoin - Multi Token Wallet and Trading Platform - page 61. (Read 301277 times)

legendary
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While I totally get the valor in asking large pools to step down a bit, it's sortof like entering your work sedan in a race against supercars and asking them to go easy on  you. It's everyone for themselves out here, and the asian side of the water always has more power, and they'll do what they want with it.

In other news, I could setup a VPS in Tokyo ... lol

Race you to it lol
hero member
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While I totally get the valor in asking large pools to step down a bit, it's sortof like entering your work sedan in a race against supercars and asking them to go easy on  you. It's everyone for themselves out here, and the asian side of the water always has more power, and they'll do what they want with it.

In other news, I could setup a VPS in Tokyo ... lol
legendary
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This has Dabs written all of over it.

Dabs, you want to make some money? Grin
legendary
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Botpool is a Chinese pool.  I'm not sure I've ever seen the ops here in the thread.

Even if we could get through to them, good luck getting them to get their miners to scale back.  What the network needs is another Asian TAG pool.  I'm really surprised no one has stepped up and said they were going to run one.  If I had the resources to start one up there, I would be all over it.  There is a lot of money to be made as an Asian TAG pool.

-Fuse
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PLEASE SPREAD THE HASHES!!!

Botpool is too large, which appears to be what caused the recent fork (which ended up causing other pools to drop tons of Orphans).

Botpool is at or a little more than 51% of the network, which leaves the network at GREAT risk of forks, just like this one.

If your on botpool, consider using another pool, such as HashFaster, Tagmining, Cryptopools.  Botpool needs to be lowered back to ~20% or so to have a fair chance to the other pools, and not causing multiple forks in a days time.

Without official guidance from Dev, this is the only way to help mitigate this in the future.
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Let this be a lesson learned, no pool should have more than 51% of the network, which I think botpool did.  They ended up getting attack or something, which isolates THEM by themselves just solving tons of blocks, then when all the rest of the wallets sync up, all of a sudden botpool is THE network, and left all the other pools behind.

Time for someone to start beating the "spread the hashes" drum, or this will happen again tonight, or whenever botpool has another issue.

Not sure... Fuse is off-line and I cannot reach Mark.. BOTpool has forked us from the looks of things.
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we just threw 7.5mhs at the highest blockchain (spread across 2 pools) to power through the fork issue. Smiley
TagCoin is awesome imho

as of now 28301 is highest, eh?
full member
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I am the op at HashFaster....

Which is the correct chain???  Dev, provide official guidance please.  Block height?
hero member
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I have never seen coin witch such problems before. Does it mean we can loose coins?

Go look at giftcoin or starcoin or one of the many other coins.. there's issues out there. Tag is the only one I've seen "fix itself".

This is the only coin I've seen with so many orphans and still be a live, usable, coin.
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I have never seen coin witch such problems before. Does it mean we can loose coins?
legendary
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Looks like Tagmining, Botpool and the explorer are all on the same page now.  Hashfaster and Cryptopools.com are like 50 blocks back on another chain.

I'm still banking on whatever the explorer is showing as the correct block.  It also seems that if Tagmining pulls ahead on the chain for whatever reason that the blockchain eventually catches up to us.  I don't know if it's luck, but I'm putting all my eggs in my own basket.

-Fuse
member
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I'm excited about this coin. But we definitely need to get these issues worked out. I'd like to start mining some ASAP! Cheesy
hero member
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I just logged in to see the back to back to back orphan run. That's not fun to see.

I like how lately tag has been getting more consistant attention and it's being mined a little bit more than usual, and the price has steadily been above .0023, and I also like how in these instances the chain has worked itself out--but I'm wondering if it needs some fine tuning to be able to handle the swings in hashpower.
legendary
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Looks like we forked again.  Tagmining is 2-3 blocks ahead of the explorer, botpool, hashfaster, and cryptopools.  Plus I had a string of 6 orphans in a row, with 12 orphans in the last 24 hours.

This needs to be fixed.  This isn't something that just happens.  This is a problem.

-Fuse


EDIT- Now we are on the same block, but different difficulties.

EDIT- Ahead a block, again.
legendary
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Yes I might lose coins but people will lose confidence in Tag. I might know when a fork going on, but there isn't a warning sign that pops up on exchanges or wallets warning users if there is currently a fork.

We've had 2 forks within 48 hours (I'm guessing) with orphans left right and center and no changes even getting thought about. A fork prone coin is hardly going to be taken seriously when people start losing coins depositing and withdrawing from exchanges. Having said that I know it's important to not rush into a fix, better to get it right than to create other different problems.

Re. BCX well I hope his motivation was justified. I went back over that section of the thread, he told people what he was doing, mining all the forks then later strengthening one fork while killing off others, and told everyone which fork to throw hash onto. Bad goodguy or good badguy? He never did clear up what he had against Bigvern, just that they had settled their disagreement.

I agree 100% with the confidence statement.  My pool is running at like 20% orphans for the last 24 hours, and about 10% for the last 7 days.  I know a lot of people just accept it, but it's very concerning when I strive to make my pool the best I can.  Whether miners lose confidence in my pool or not, it's not something I'm ok with.

I'd still like to see someone come up with some links to another coin that had similar issues to find out what the resolution is.  It would be nice to have some info to base the orphan/fork issue on.

That being said, I'm 100% behind TAG still.  I know it's still young in it's age, and I can appreciate the fact that it will have some growing pains.  I just wish I had more info to base my speculation on as far as what is going on.  Yes... speculation.

-Fuse
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What happens when withdrawals from an exchange go into thin air?

You lose the coins.  Generally a good idea not to exchange coins during a fork.  You never know what's going to happen.  Now if you were to exchange coins to another coin, you're basically walking away with free coin.  Which is what BCX claimed he was going to do to cryptsy... like revenge for something bigvern did.  He had it out for him for some reason.

-Fuse

Yes I might lose coins but people will lose confidence in Tag. I might know when a fork going on, but there isn't a warning sign that pops up on exchanges or wallets warning users if there is currently a fork.

We've had 2 forks within 48 hours (I'm guessing) with orphans left right and center and no changes even getting thought about. A fork prone coin is hardly going to be taken seriously when people start losing coins depositing and withdrawing from exchanges. Having said that I know it's important to not rush into a fix, better to get it right than to create other different problems.

Re. BCX well I hope his motivation was justified. I went back over that section of the thread, he told people what he was doing, mining all the forks then later strengthening one fork while killing off others, and told everyone which fork to throw hash onto. Bad goodguy or good badguy? He never did clear up what he had against Bigvern, just that they had settled their disagreement.
sr. member
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The response of the coin to both high hash-rate variations and high difficulty needs to be scrutinised... definitely not a coin expert... so will leave it to the experts.

The orphan rate is affecting the profitability of pools quite a bit... so it is becoming a real concern.

I would include a live difficulty and network hash-rate monitor in the next wallet update... include with the cloud bubble that tells you that the wallet is up-to-date, the number of blocks downloaded and time since the last block was generated... other coins include in their wallets.
legendary
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What happens when withdrawals from an exchange go into thin air?

You lose the coins.  Generally a good idea not to exchange coins during a fork.  You never know what's going to happen.  Now if you were to exchange coins to another coin, you're basically walking away with free coin.  Which is what BCX claimed he was going to do to cryptsy... like revenge for something bigvern did.  He had it out for him for some reason.

-Fuse
newbie
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All the action happens when I am up in the air, and the weekend to boot..Smiley... as usual the blockchain sorted itself out...I think you all sorted the network out without my help - in any case all I can do is direct to the longest blockchain..Smiley

And if anyone had my direct connection info, no use when I am 30,000 feet up...

No plans at this stage to change anything in the coin regarding difficulty changes

as for the link at https://www.hashco.ws/stats/, I think they just stopped mining...

Currently in Detroit airport waiting flight to fly to Washington..

I let HashCows know last night that there was a fork, and they got back to me letting me know they suspended TAG mining.  I haven't notified them yet that it's resolved  Wink

That's a reason the difficulty is under 150 right now lol.

I still think there needs to be some investigation into the orphans.  I'm sitting at about 10% orphans on the pool for the week.  All of this mess with possible forks/actual forks and the occurrence of all the orphans this week seem too coincidental.  Whether it's a direct relation to the difficulty swings or the increased hashrate, or whatever... it needs to be looked at.

Does anyone have any empirical evidence of other coins having high orphan rates for comparison?

-Fuse

Well one could argue the issue is not resolved. At one point the diff was a touch over 200 after HashCows suspended Tag, and as I type this the diff jumped from approx 150 to 109, so I think at least one other multipool still mines. There are still orphans showing up here and there, and the occasional block find time over 1000% seem strange too. I had some autopayments from Botpool go into into the ether (coins mined before the fork) but as a miner I accept the risk. What happens when withdrawals from an exchange go into thin air?
legendary
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All the action happens when I am up in the air, and the weekend to boot..Smiley... as usual the blockchain sorted itself out...I think you all sorted the network out without my help - in any case all I can do is direct to the longest blockchain..Smiley

And if anyone had my direct connection info, no use when I am 30,000 feet up...

No plans at this stage to change anything in the coin regarding difficulty changes

as for the link at https://www.hashco.ws/stats/, I think they just stopped mining...

Currently in Detroit airport waiting flight to fly to Washington..

I let HashCows know last night that there was a fork, and they got back to me letting me know they suspended TAG mining.  I haven't notified them yet that it's resolved  Wink

That's a reason the difficulty is under 150 right now lol.

I still think there needs to be some investigation into the orphans.  I'm sitting at about 10% orphans on the pool for the week.  All of this mess with possible forks/actual forks and the occurrence of all the orphans this week seem too coincidental.  Whether it's a direct relation to the difficulty swings or the increased hashrate, or whatever... it needs to be looked at.

Does anyone have any empirical evidence of other coins having high orphan rates for comparison?

-Fuse
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