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I would totally disagree, like any logo it should work also in black and white, like when you print it only black and white... and it's still regocnisable as the same logo.


IMO the fact that it's black & white isn't the primary reason that it looks like it's shooting for the 'badass' category. It's the design & font. Of course, the b&w contributes, but as you say, any logo should also work in b&w. The point I was making wasn't about colours, it was about what we're communicating to the target demographic.
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As slick as the black & white logo is, I think it sends the wrong message. It says, "we're trying to look badass". To me, it's the style of logo better suited to companies targeting a youth market, like energy drinks or extreme sports or gaming peripherals. In the context we're competing in (finance), it makes us look unprofessional/young/inexperienced, or like we're overcompensating.

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=extreme+sports+logo&espv=210&es_sm=122&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X

http://breezycreativedesign.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Mother-energy-drink-logo-design.jpg

http://cdn.dualshockers.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/razer-hd-61537.jpg


No-one can deny that these don't all look cool. But they're not suited to finance, where trust & reliability are super important.

+1

The press only want to write about something controversial. If we give them dark themes they will write about the negative side. This keeps adoption low and the price low.



Those that want anonymity for nefarious reasons will still use the coin. They will give a price boost to darkcoin when darksend is ready. But they are not the target audience, IMO.

The articles in the press when darksend is out will have an illegal usage bias. We should be aiming for greater debate about anonymity from the blockchain. That way we get compared to bitcoin and an alternative to bitcoin from the word go.

Without question - this comparison will boost the price of darkcoin.

On that front, zerocash will be out in May. We don't want to let them be written about as the default alternative to bitcoin for those that want anonymity. Especially if we give it to them cheaply by holding back our brand message.

It may be uncool, but banks and financial services is supposed to be BORING. You don't want exotic people and organisations looking after your money.  Slick, elegant, upstanding, dependable, safe, trusted. These are the sort of brand messages we want to convey.

In an effort to appeal to our greed, a sensible approach can make you rich.

You want people to able to talk freely about darkcoin at dinner table conversation without having to preface their words by saying, "I know it's mainly used for buying guns and drugs, but I like using it because......'
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As slick as the black & white logo is, I think it sends the wrong message. It says, "we're trying to look badass". To me, it's the style of logo better suited to companies targeting a youth market, like energy drinks or extreme sports or gaming peripherals. In the context we're competing in (finance), it makes us look unprofessional/young/inexperienced, or like we're overcompensating.

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=extreme+sports+logo&espv=210&es_sm=122&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X

http://breezycreativedesign.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Mother-energy-drink-logo-design.jpg

http://cdn.dualshockers.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/razer-hd-61537.jpg


No-one can deny that these don't all look cool. But they're not suited to finance, where trust & reliability are super important.

About the Logo: the point is not to pick the one people on this thread prefer, neither the coolest one, but the one that will do the better job As a logo.
I think there is 2 major condition that  need to be done:

1) friendly colors and smooth design that your parents should find appealing.

2) a reminder of what this coin is, (so a locket, a shield, anything mainly accepted as connected to privacy, check the firewall or antivirus icons)

3) a name that is less badass Ok, I did not bring it back.



Now, if the aim of the coin is to be used only for illegal activity, take the opposite: black logo, sharp disign, badass name.
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As slick as the black & white logo is, I think it sends the wrong message. It says, "we're trying to look badass". To me, it's the style of logo better suited to companies targeting a youth market, like energy drinks or extreme sports or gaming peripherals. In the context we're competing in (finance), it makes us look unprofessional/young/inexperienced, or like we're overcompensating.

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=extreme+sports+logo&espv=210&es_sm=122&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X

http://breezycreativedesign.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Mother-energy-drink-logo-design.jpg

http://cdn.dualshockers.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/razer-hd-61537.jpg


No-one can deny that these don't all look cool. But they're not suited to finance, where trust & reliability are super important.

I would totally disagree, like any logo it should work also in black and white, like when you print it only black and white... and it's still regocnisable as the same logo.
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As slick as the black & white logo is, I think it sends the wrong message. It says, "we're trying to look badass". To me, it's the style of logo better suited to companies targeting a youth market, like energy drinks or extreme sports or gaming peripherals. In the context we're competing in (finance), it makes us look unprofessional/young/inexperienced, or like we're overcompensating.

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=extreme+sports+logo&espv=210&es_sm=122&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X

http://breezycreativedesign.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Mother-energy-drink-logo-design.jpg

http://cdn.dualshockers.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/razer-hd-61537.jpg


No-one can deny that these don't all look cool. But they're not suited to finance, where trust & reliability are super important.
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There can't be any discussion - these are all too colourful. The one that Evan really liked is definitely the slickest one. It's really sharp and aggressive and looks amazingly professional.
Too colorful? There are only 2 colors on logos showed above. Orange and gray ; blue and black. I don't think it is too colorful  Smiley

You're right it's not that bad. Of course this is the one I'm taking about.



It struck me right away as being the perfect mix of style and substance. It definitely looks like something I would use regularly to make payments. I can imagine myself saying "do you take darkcoin?" in any store in the future with a logo like that. Anyways that's my opinion of course.



This one looks cool.

I agree clean and professional quality. And could be made to darkcoin accepted here. Logo etc.. Vero nice indeed.

Seems like the votes are in Cheesy
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I have a problem: I've just updated wallet from 0.8.9.2 to latest version.
When I run the new wallet i cannot find my previous addresses, only new ones with zero balance. If I run the 0.8.9.2 version I find my previous address (XemPUhBUCjHuaUekxPptCj2crhAGisFQva) with the right balance. Both versions use the same data directory and the same wallet.dat file. WTF???

Thanks


First backup your wallet.dat.
Remove blocks and  chainstate in data directory.
Run New Client.

Syncing problem ?

Use tip here : https://www.darkcointalk.org/threads/slow-or-not-syncing-try-this.206/


I think I've understood the issue: my wallet.dat is not saved in usual AppData/Roaming directory but in another one (in my windows system is K:\Datacoin_data).

If I run previous darkcoin wallet with the command

C:\darkcoin-qt.exe -datadir=K:\DarkCoin_data

it properly opens my wallet.dat in the K path, but if I run (with the same command) the new wallet it doesn't and it creates again the Appdata/Roaming directory. Something has changed in the -datadir command?
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There can't be any discussion - these are all too colourful. The one that Evan really liked is definitely the slickest one. It's really sharp and aggressive and looks amazingly professional.
Too colorful? There are only 2 colors on logos showed above. Orange and gray ; blue and black. I don't think it is too colorful  Smiley

You're right it's not that bad. Of course this is the one I'm taking about.



It struck me right away as being the perfect mix of style and substance. It definitely looks like something I would use regularly to make payments. I can imagine myself saying "do you take darkcoin?" in any store in the future with a logo like that. Anyways that's my opinion of course.



Would love to see how the plaid D in the logo works as its usually the logo in the Exchanges.. So would like to see it smaller, is it still clear.
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couldn't help it.



my fave




ROTFL!!!
THAT IS AWESOME!
I think its safe to say this logo is going to be the pick! Cheesy
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DASH is the future of crypto payments!
It's Friday, I'm bored at work and my boss is out sick.

Ladies...



 Grin Looks like a professional ad. The logo is wonderful.


M.Jackson would say: "This is it!"
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I've been following the discussion on the x11 thread ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=556277.180 ) and there were two interesting highlights - at least interesting to me:

1. A guy estimates that it'd take a few months and a 50k cost to roll out ~300MH FPGAs for x11, with 2k per board cost: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6077250

If this happens, diff will make block reward go to 5 pretty quickly (and reducing the number of coins perhaps?)

2. Scrypt-N is already ASICable with an ASIC miner that seems to be able to handle N-factors up to 35 years ahead:

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http://blissdevices.com/tech-specs/

"Scryptr also provides a high level of flexibility to support mining of newer coins that are “fairer” to miners such as Vertcoin by allowing configurable Scrypt parameters. Also, the chip’s PCIe interface enables faster and greater data transfer speeds, if and when new algorithms require more network data."

.....

http://www.reddit.com/r/scryptmining/comments/20x6r0/bliss_devices_announces_new_prices_on_scrypt/cg8xcd6

"Our chip supports configurable N parameters which allows it to mine N-factor scrypt up to N=262144, which is still about 35 years away."

Also from their faq:

Quote
Can Neon mine for Bitcoins?
No, unfortunately Scryptr is dedicated and optimized for Scrypt mining and does not have a dual-mode

Can Neon support mining for Scrypt Jane or Darkcoin?
Scryptr is designed and optimized for Scrypt mining and not a general purpose mining chip.  For Scrypt Jane, only a small subset that uses a combination of SHA256 and salsa20 mix, but in general no. Darkcoin definitely not.




Years of experience with manufacturing processes, specifically new process development, force me to double if not triple every number that that guy said . . assuming he's telling the truth.

So that's a few months x 2.5, 50k development x 2.5 (probably more, but sticking with consistency), 300M# x 2.5, 2k x 2.5 seems more reasonable to me.

If that few months x 2.5 is even close to a year then that's not nearly as bad.

Plus getting that kind of hash out of my GPU's would easily cost me above $50k in just computer parts . . so in comparison thats a far cry more reasonable than the scrypt asic field.

Even more importantly though, is what was ACTUALLY said in the thread (emphasis mine):

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Numbers out of thin air for FPGA route  - I'd expect 300 MH/s X11 algo board with 6 Spartan 6 LX150 chips to be developed in half of year with 50000 USD development cost, production price would be something like 2000 USD per board. (Anyone with actual field knowledge is welcome to correct me!)

So he has actually no idea if those numbers are real, and frankly, while I am no expert either, they seem quite unrealistic to me.

A 300 MH/S scrypt asic goes for ~$2,500, so there is no way an X11 could go for the same price.

Additionally, at the moment, the market cap of scrypt coins is about 250 times greater than X11 coins. Even if the $50,000 development cost number was correct, that is 3% of the current market cap! That is an insanely high risk to reward ratio for a company to take.

tl;dr: I'm not expecting an X11 asic anytime soon. Whether it is good or bad is a whole other debate.
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I've been following the discussion on the x11 thread ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=556277.180 ) and there were two interesting highlights - at least interesting to me:

1. A guy estimates that it'd take a few months and a 50k cost to roll out ~300MH FPGAs for x11, with 2k per board cost: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6077250

If this happens, diff will make block reward go to 5 pretty quickly (and reducing the number of coins perhaps?)

2. Scrypt-N is already ASICable with an ASIC miner that seems to be able to handle N-factors up to 35 years ahead:

Quote
http://blissdevices.com/tech-specs/

"Scryptr also provides a high level of flexibility to support mining of newer coins that are “fairer” to miners such as Vertcoin by allowing configurable Scrypt parameters. Also, the chip’s PCIe interface enables faster and greater data transfer speeds, if and when new algorithms require more network data."

.....

http://www.reddit.com/r/scryptmining/comments/20x6r0/bliss_devices_announces_new_prices_on_scrypt/cg8xcd6

"Our chip supports configurable N parameters which allows it to mine N-factor scrypt up to N=262144, which is still about 35 years away."

Also from their faq:

Quote
Can Neon mine for Bitcoins?
No, unfortunately Scryptr is dedicated and optimized for Scrypt mining and does not have a dual-mode

Can Neon support mining for Scrypt Jane or Darkcoin?
Scryptr is designed and optimized for Scrypt mining and not a general purpose mining chip.  For Scrypt Jane, only a small subset that uses a combination of SHA256 and salsa20 mix, but in general no. Darkcoin definitely not.




Years of experience with manufacturing processes, specifically new process development, force me to double if not triple every number that that guy said . . assuming he's telling the truth.

So that's a few months x 2.5, 50k development x 2.5 (probably more, but sticking with consistency), 300M# x 2.5, 2k x 2.5 seems more reasonable to me.

If that few months x 2.5 is even close to a year then that's not nearly as bad.

Plus getting that kind of hash out of my GPU's would easily cost me above $50k in just computer parts . . so in comparison thats a far cry more reasonable than the scrypt asic field.
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couldn't help it.



my fave





Nice

You should do one of those with unending unemployment lines, due to companies losing money b/c of public blockchains.

I've actually brought the discussion outside of this thread about three times in the last week.

When you're saying that your business competitors can get your business info, instead of the NSA snooping you out and putting you in jail for reasons that you don't know . . people are much more open to privacy in a blockchain.
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legendary
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I've been following the discussion on the x11 thread ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=556277.180 ) and there were two interesting highlights - at least interesting to me:

1. A guy estimates that it'd take a few months and a 50k cost to roll out ~300MH FPGAs for x11, with 2k per board cost: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6077250

If this happens, diff will make block reward go to 5 pretty quickly (and reducing the number of coins perhaps?)

2. Scrypt-N is already ASICable with an ASIC miner that seems to be able to handle N-factors up to 35 years ahead:

Quote
http://blissdevices.com/tech-specs/

"Scryptr also provides a high level of flexibility to support mining of newer coins that are “fairer” to miners such as Vertcoin by allowing configurable Scrypt parameters. Also, the chip’s PCIe interface enables faster and greater data transfer speeds, if and when new algorithms require more network data."

.....

http://www.reddit.com/r/scryptmining/comments/20x6r0/bliss_devices_announces_new_prices_on_scrypt/cg8xcd6

"Our chip supports configurable N parameters which allows it to mine N-factor scrypt up to N=262144, which is still about 35 years away."

Also from their faq:

Quote
Can Neon mine for Bitcoins?
No, unfortunately Scryptr is dedicated and optimized for Scrypt mining and does not have a dual-mode

Can Neon support mining for Scrypt Jane or Darkcoin?
Scryptr is designed and optimized for Scrypt mining and not a general purpose mining chip.  For Scrypt Jane, only a small subset that uses a combination of SHA256 and salsa20 mix, but in general no. Darkcoin definitely not.

legendary
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block reward 14? Wasn't minimum supposed to be 15?
This has changed from february?

Min = 5
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block reward 14? Wasn't minimum supposed to be 15?
This has changed from february?
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There can't be any discussion - these are all too colourful. The one that Evan really liked is definitely the slickest one. It's really sharp and aggressive and looks amazingly professional.
Too colorful? There are only 2 colors on logos showed above. Orange and gray ; blue and black. I don't think it is too colorful  Smiley

You're right it's not that bad. Of course this is the one I'm taking about.



It struck me right away as being the perfect mix of style and substance. It definitely looks like something I would use regularly to make payments. I can imagine myself saying "do you take darkcoin?" in any store in the future with a logo like that. Anyways that's my opinion of course.



This one looks cool.

I agree clean and professional quality. And could be made to darkcoin accepted here. Logo etc.. Vero nice indeed.
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There can't be any discussion - these are all too colourful. The one that Evan really liked is definitely the slickest one. It's really sharp and aggressive and looks amazingly professional.
Too colorful? There are only 2 colors on logos showed above. Orange and gray ; blue and black. I don't think it is too colorful  Smiley

You're right it's not that bad. Of course this is the one I'm taking about.



It struck me right away as being the perfect mix of style and substance. It definitely looks like something I would use regularly to make payments. I can imagine myself saying "do you take darkcoin?" in any store in the future with a logo like that. Anyways that's my opinion of course.



This one looks cool.
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