Topic: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency - page 6850. (Read 9723803 times)
February 20, 2014, 02:08:01 AM
Dark coin added to coins-e. It begins.
February 20, 2014, 01:48:45 AM
Net Hashrate now more then 4Gh/s ... last days for CPU mining.
February 20, 2014, 01:23:40 AM
I reuploaded here, as much as I would love more dark, I don't want people to get mad when they accidentally connect to my worker haha https://mega.co.nz/#!foxERRrY!rYPrEgfeXPXxpIi7owkVAva7lx7Zs_fAbIAedNUv10I
Thanks for that. I am now getting 3.4-3.5MH/s on a 6990, yet to try tweaking for the new version.
I'm seeing some gains as well, but for some reason sgminer won't take the same commands in the .bat file that the previous version (linked in the first post of this thread) did. I've never messed with sgminer before (only cgminer), but the previous version took all of my old cgminer commands. It seems that this new version also does not display GPU temp info and will not let me use "--gpu-engine X" or "--gpu-memory Y" commands.
3% gain for me :-/
And a significant drop in CPU usage, though, nice!
February 20, 2014, 01:22:19 AM
I reuploaded here, as much as I would love more dark, I don't want people to get mad when they accidentally connect to my worker haha https://mega.co.nz/#!foxERRrY!rYPrEgfeXPXxpIi7owkVAva7lx7Zs_fAbIAedNUv10I
Thanks for that. I am now getting 3.4-3.5MH/s on a 6990, yet to try tweaking for the new version.
I'm seeing some gains as well, but for some reason sgminer won't take the same commands in the .bat file that the previous version (linked in the first post of this thread) did. I've never messed with sgminer before (only cgminer), but the previous version took all of my old cgminer commands. It seems that this new version also does not display GPU temp info and will not let me use "--gpu-engine X" or "--gpu-memory Y" commands.
3% gain for me :-/
February 20, 2014, 01:18:39 AM
I have 2 Asus R9 280x's
What type of settings should I have in sgminer?
I am getting just under 2 mh/s on each card with the default settings that came with sgminer.
What type of settings should I have in sgminer?
I am getting just under 2 mh/s on each card with the default settings that came with sgminer.
use this version: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-sph-sgminer-multi-coin-multi-algorithm-gpu-miner-added-marucoin-475795
February 20, 2014, 01:12:05 AM
Darkcoin needs support please vote for us to be accepted at https://www.mintpal.com/voting you can do 3 votes hourly if I'm not mistaken.
You have to donate if expect to win that poll.
for everry 0.00005 sent to 1L8VcGX2bHffuiNogj9eZChSWt6Vryhvwg its one vote
Send 0.005 that's 100 votes only ~$3.00 worth of bitcoin. If we all pitch in ...
... Just did 140 votes.
February 20, 2014, 12:57:40 AM
Every since I've been mining Darkcoin with GPUs, my mining room has been 20 degrees cooler. We should really get the word out on this, it's a huge benefit.
As someone in an area that currently has 6ft tall snowbanks outside, this is actually a bad thing right now, as I can't depend on gpus to heat my place.you dont want that kind of load on your gpus 24/7 they won't last. Get a space heater lol
Harnessing otherwise wasted heat from your mining rigs is a smart idea. I use fluid cooled GPUs to heat my spa pool. Temperature control gets a bit tricky though. Now if cgminer had a "pool target temp" setting...
February 20, 2014, 12:55:14 AM
I have 2 Asus R9 280x's
What type of settings should I have in sgminer?
I am getting just under 2 mh/s on each card with the default settings that came with sgminer.
What type of settings should I have in sgminer?
I am getting just under 2 mh/s on each card with the default settings that came with sgminer.
February 20, 2014, 12:32:15 AM
Darkcoin needs support please vote for us to be accepted at https://www.mintpal.com/voting you can do 3 votes hourly if I'm not mistaken.
February 20, 2014, 12:28:12 AM
Lol, someone selling cheap to dump price?
0.02DRK。。He wants to buy cheap
February 20, 2014, 12:26:47 AM
Lol, someone selling cheap to dump price?
https://i.imgur.com/P8lXjpu.png
https://i.imgur.com/P8lXjpu.png
February 20, 2014, 12:25:11 AM
a mixing service is again, a centralized solution in the hands of an entity you have to trust. Darksend is decentralized. It is managed by the wallet, mixed up in the blockchain and there is no need for trust, a trustless solution AND it doesn't bloat the blockchain!
AND it doesn't bloat the blockchain! February 20, 2014, 12:14:35 AM
I’ve heard some chatter and misconceptions about the difference between Darkcoin vs Zerocoin, so here’s a write up about the pros and cons of each approach and what they do differently.
Darkcoin
First off, most people start by asking is DarkSend actually real and does it work? Yes! Checkout the development progress here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/anndrk-darkcoin-darksend-anonymous-technology-pre-alpha-launch-467857
DarkSend is based off of Greg Maxwells original idea called Coinjoin, with some added improvements and decentralization. The decentralized approach is important because the logic is self contained in the client, which is managed by the users themselves. This is a trustless solution.
Darkcoin uses the base transaction layer to sign it’s transactions in much the same way that Bitcoin does. The mathematics are tried and true and have been used for years in computer security and banking.
Transactions will be grouped together and the same cost as sending transactions on the normal network. Both DarkSend and normal transactions will be available to choose from, but at some point we might default to DarkSend (and go Dark).
It’s also worth noting that this approach doesn’t bloat the blockchain at all either. Transactions are the same size as the would have been.
Zerocoin
The approach Zerocoin takes is to use some exotic mathematics to hide the identity with a zero-knowledge proof. This allows a higher quality of anonymity, but also could have some unforeseen hole that will be exploited later.
Checkout this link to see the mathematics I'm talking about: https://github.com/Zerocoin/libzerocoin/blob/master/AccumulatorProofOfKnowledge.cpp
Zerocoin's proof of work is in the 2kb range, which was reduced from 1024kb in Mathew Green’s original work. These proofs must be stored in the blockchain for each transaction that goes through the network for confirmation purposes and the ledger history, so this will cause a lot of bloat. There is also a need for these proofs to be processed by the networks nodes, being larger will cause more intense CPU usage with smaller transaction rates.
The spec for Zerocoin also requires a 100% premine. I believe mining is what gives cryptocurrency their base value, so this could be a problem for the currency in the long haul.
With the high CPU usage, how will the network deal with DDOS attacks? I could send bad proofs that must be processed. It’s much harder with the Bitcoin protocol because the math is pretty fast and you would be banned quickly.
Imagine if Zerocoin had to deal with 20 transactions a minute, that would be 58.98MB/day that will be added to the blockchain. After a year, that would add up to 21.5GB. Now god forbid you have to reindex this, you’ll have to process all of the proofs on your computer? That might take another year to complete.
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I think the Darkcoin approach has the best mix of features, with the least risk and it’s decentralized. So we definitely have our place in the market.
References:
Coinjoin spec: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=279249.0;all
Darkcoin
First off, most people start by asking is DarkSend actually real and does it work? Yes! Checkout the development progress here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/anndrk-darkcoin-darksend-anonymous-technology-pre-alpha-launch-467857
DarkSend is based off of Greg Maxwells original idea called Coinjoin, with some added improvements and decentralization. The decentralized approach is important because the logic is self contained in the client, which is managed by the users themselves. This is a trustless solution.
Darkcoin uses the base transaction layer to sign it’s transactions in much the same way that Bitcoin does. The mathematics are tried and true and have been used for years in computer security and banking.
Transactions will be grouped together and the same cost as sending transactions on the normal network. Both DarkSend and normal transactions will be available to choose from, but at some point we might default to DarkSend (and go Dark).
It’s also worth noting that this approach doesn’t bloat the blockchain at all either. Transactions are the same size as the would have been.
Zerocoin
The approach Zerocoin takes is to use some exotic mathematics to hide the identity with a zero-knowledge proof. This allows a higher quality of anonymity, but also could have some unforeseen hole that will be exploited later.
Checkout this link to see the mathematics I'm talking about: https://github.com/Zerocoin/libzerocoin/blob/master/AccumulatorProofOfKnowledge.cpp
Zerocoin's proof of work is in the 2kb range, which was reduced from 1024kb in Mathew Green’s original work. These proofs must be stored in the blockchain for each transaction that goes through the network for confirmation purposes and the ledger history, so this will cause a lot of bloat. There is also a need for these proofs to be processed by the networks nodes, being larger will cause more intense CPU usage with smaller transaction rates.
The spec for Zerocoin also requires a 100% premine. I believe mining is what gives cryptocurrency their base value, so this could be a problem for the currency in the long haul.
With the high CPU usage, how will the network deal with DDOS attacks? I could send bad proofs that must be processed. It’s much harder with the Bitcoin protocol because the math is pretty fast and you would be banned quickly.
Imagine if Zerocoin had to deal with 20 transactions a minute, that would be 58.98MB/day that will be added to the blockchain. After a year, that would add up to 21.5GB. Now god forbid you have to reindex this, you’ll have to process all of the proofs on your computer? That might take another year to complete.
---
I think the Darkcoin approach has the best mix of features, with the least risk and it’s decentralized. So we definitely have our place in the market.
References:
Coinjoin spec: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=279249.0;all
I'm requoting this because everyone needs to read it!
Thanks! Thats a great explanation of the differences between zerocoin and darkcoin. Could you also compare the mixing service vs darksend?
February 20, 2014, 12:12:45 AM
And what is the difference between Darkcoin and DarkWallet's Coinjoin implementation?
It's not in the native client, it's a browser extension and it's not decentralized. In the world of crypto decentralized solutions will always win, we need all of this technology to be trustless.
And this regarding darkwallet
February 20, 2014, 12:11:27 AM
I’ve heard some chatter and misconceptions about the difference between Darkcoin vs Zerocoin, so here’s a write up about the pros and cons of each approach and what they do differently.
Darkcoin
First off, most people start by asking is DarkSend actually real and does it work? Yes! Checkout the development progress here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/anndrk-darkcoin-darksend-anonymous-technology-pre-alpha-launch-467857
DarkSend is based off of Greg Maxwells original idea called Coinjoin, with some added improvements and decentralization. The decentralized approach is important because the logic is self contained in the client, which is managed by the users themselves. This is a trustless solution.
Darkcoin uses the base transaction layer to sign it’s transactions in much the same way that Bitcoin does. The mathematics are tried and true and have been used for years in computer security and banking.
Transactions will be grouped together and the same cost as sending transactions on the normal network. Both DarkSend and normal transactions will be available to choose from, but at some point we might default to DarkSend (and go Dark).
It’s also worth noting that this approach doesn’t bloat the blockchain at all either. Transactions are the same size as the would have been.
Zerocoin
The approach Zerocoin takes is to use some exotic mathematics to hide the identity with a zero-knowledge proof. This allows a higher quality of anonymity, but also could have some unforeseen hole that will be exploited later.
Checkout this link to see the mathematics I'm talking about: https://github.com/Zerocoin/libzerocoin/blob/master/AccumulatorProofOfKnowledge.cpp
Zerocoin's proof of work is in the 2kb range, which was reduced from 1024kb in Mathew Green’s original work. These proofs must be stored in the blockchain for each transaction that goes through the network for confirmation purposes and the ledger history, so this will cause a lot of bloat. There is also a need for these proofs to be processed by the networks nodes, being larger will cause more intense CPU usage with smaller transaction rates.
The spec for Zerocoin also requires a 100% premine. I believe mining is what gives cryptocurrency their base value, so this could be a problem for the currency in the long haul.
With the high CPU usage, how will the network deal with DDOS attacks? I could send bad proofs that must be processed. It’s much harder with the Bitcoin protocol because the math is pretty fast and you would be banned quickly.
Imagine if Zerocoin had to deal with 20 transactions a minute, that would be 58.98MB/day that will be added to the blockchain. After a year, that would add up to 21.5GB. Now god forbid you have to reindex this, you’ll have to process all of the proofs on your computer? That might take another year to complete.
---
I think the Darkcoin approach has the best mix of features, with the least risk and it’s decentralized. So we definitely have our place in the market.
References:
Coinjoin spec: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=279249.0;all
Darkcoin
First off, most people start by asking is DarkSend actually real and does it work? Yes! Checkout the development progress here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/anndrk-darkcoin-darksend-anonymous-technology-pre-alpha-launch-467857
DarkSend is based off of Greg Maxwells original idea called Coinjoin, with some added improvements and decentralization. The decentralized approach is important because the logic is self contained in the client, which is managed by the users themselves. This is a trustless solution.
Darkcoin uses the base transaction layer to sign it’s transactions in much the same way that Bitcoin does. The mathematics are tried and true and have been used for years in computer security and banking.
Transactions will be grouped together and the same cost as sending transactions on the normal network. Both DarkSend and normal transactions will be available to choose from, but at some point we might default to DarkSend (and go Dark).
It’s also worth noting that this approach doesn’t bloat the blockchain at all either. Transactions are the same size as the would have been.
Zerocoin
The approach Zerocoin takes is to use some exotic mathematics to hide the identity with a zero-knowledge proof. This allows a higher quality of anonymity, but also could have some unforeseen hole that will be exploited later.
Checkout this link to see the mathematics I'm talking about: https://github.com/Zerocoin/libzerocoin/blob/master/AccumulatorProofOfKnowledge.cpp
Zerocoin's proof of work is in the 2kb range, which was reduced from 1024kb in Mathew Green’s original work. These proofs must be stored in the blockchain for each transaction that goes through the network for confirmation purposes and the ledger history, so this will cause a lot of bloat. There is also a need for these proofs to be processed by the networks nodes, being larger will cause more intense CPU usage with smaller transaction rates.
The spec for Zerocoin also requires a 100% premine. I believe mining is what gives cryptocurrency their base value, so this could be a problem for the currency in the long haul.
With the high CPU usage, how will the network deal with DDOS attacks? I could send bad proofs that must be processed. It’s much harder with the Bitcoin protocol because the math is pretty fast and you would be banned quickly.
Imagine if Zerocoin had to deal with 20 transactions a minute, that would be 58.98MB/day that will be added to the blockchain. After a year, that would add up to 21.5GB. Now god forbid you have to reindex this, you’ll have to process all of the proofs on your computer? That might take another year to complete.
---
I think the Darkcoin approach has the best mix of features, with the least risk and it’s decentralized. So we definitely have our place in the market.
References:
Coinjoin spec: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=279249.0;all
I'm requoting this because everyone needs to read it! Bolding by me
February 20, 2014, 12:09:57 AM
Test all you want.
It would be nice to have an "expert," (cough, some knowledgeable media) third party verify that the transaction is anonymous and explain why.
Such an article should also include an explination as to why bitcoin is NOT anonymous (and infact it's extremely public unlike normal financial transactions, which is a common misconception about Bitcoin.
It would be nice to have an "expert," (cough, some knowledgeable media) third party verify that the transaction is anonymous and explain why.
Such an article should also include an explination as to why bitcoin is NOT anonymous (and infact it's extremely public unlike normal financial transactions, which is a common misconception about Bitcoin.
Good point and agree !
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eduffield wrote a great explanation at this post https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5241291
February 20, 2014, 12:04:50 AM
I really like the anonymous feature on Darkcoin. I currently have a lot of money in Tips. Can someone explain the difference between the two coins. I am growing frustrated with lack of branding/marketing, and considering putting some money into Darkcoin.
To me a coin tumbler says. "We are a money laundering service."
Anonymous transactions to me say that the only people who need to know of the transaction are the sender and the receiver.
February 20, 2014, 12:02:33 AM
Definitely 2 different options if possible! For darksend/regular transaction! 
This is such great news. We are making progress every single day.
This is such great news. We are making progress every single day.
February 19, 2014, 11:59:45 PM
I really like the anonymous feature on Darkcoin. I currently have a lot of money in Tips. Can someone explain the difference between the two coins. I am growing frustrated with lack of branding/marketing, and considering putting some money into Darkcoin.
February 19, 2014, 11:56:58 PM
Test all you want.
It would be nice to have an "expert," (cough, some knowledgeable media) third party verify that the transaction is anonymous and explain why.
Such an article should also include an explination as to why bitcoin is NOT anonymous (and infact it's extremely public unlike normal financial transactions, which is a common misconception about Bitcoin.
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Good point and agree !
It would be nice to have an "expert," (cough, some knowledgeable media) third party verify that the transaction is anonymous and explain why.
Such an article should also include an explination as to why bitcoin is NOT anonymous (and infact it's extremely public unlike normal financial transactions, which is a common misconception about Bitcoin.
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Good point and agree !
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