Topic: [ANN][ECA] Electra ⚡ | POS 3.0e | Super Rewards Bonanza - page 11. (Read 144197 times)

Hi E01 - it is hard for the community to know who is right or wrong. However - what is 100% wrong is people who stored their eca on mobile and exchanges are deemed as unloyal and wont receive the ecap airdrop.

Can you please advise your intention for eca? You will still have a strong following - ECA will always be the original and main chain. Let us know if you will persists with eca and we the community will support it.

As I said before, I knew a malicious move was coming and acted preemptively and made initial position reductions without announcement but transparently.

http://electraexplorer.info/address/EeUZHkxP12NQtsZzDZZzzkQ76BM9PG8ZNL

The amount sent to the address you mention seems to be around 500 million unless I am reading it incorrectly. You are also not taking into account that large amounts of ECA was withdrawn from exchanges back to the public wallets and sent again a few days later. I definitely did not sell 500 million there. I did not at any point during this year control more than 900 million ECA pre-mine or stakes. Look at page 2 of this address if you want to see examples of ECA returning to the public wallets:

https://explorer.electraproject.org/address/EJXiQYb5tYjVdn8erLT92F6D5ZmCG2ZCvZ

While looking through the addresses to counter your argument I have actually come accross an anomaly. The wallet containing this address on my desktop has 0 ECA in it but for some reason it says 16,000 ECA in the block explorer. I will look into this.

The other arguments you make are generally about what the team did versus me. They did do a lot. I never said I did all the work and gave credit as much as possible but I also made important contributions and major sacrifices for this project. If some people want to start all over and pursue a new direction it is their choice.

Thank you.

first you didn't respond to this and i would like to understand you:
 

Then, your comparison table.

I want to mention that this is YOUR point of view, and of course you perfectly have full right to express it.

And so, my turn:


/!\ Bellow from your statement /!\  listed to this form =>ECA has: XXX >> ECAP has XXX:



No pre-mine or stakes controlled by E01 >> No pre-mine or stakes controlled by EO1

Ok so we start by the biggest joke....

Why?

=> You sold all the premine in the shadow, acting like any exit-scam founders in crypto history.

e.g: the last month, since October 23.
Your deposit address in coinfalcon, the easiest to find. From premine > to an address > to cold wallet of coinfalcon well known.
3 transactions, and only the deposit addresses are used to access the cold.
 
http://electraexplorer.info/address/EeUZHkxP12NQtsZzDZZzzkQ76BM9PG8ZNL

More than ONE BILLION you sent to this exchange, and of course you didn't sold only here, you are responsible of the 'go to 0' in STEX as well.

Remember this: Blockain NEVER lies and we can track all until the genesis.

ECAProtocol part : TRUE

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Existing foundation + 194,086,398 ECA bonus >> No foundation to fund project or if they pick ECAP over ECA they will lose 194,086,398 ECAP as donation was after 23 Nov

well... this is the most pathetic part of your post....

Foundation asks you since 2 years to put the premine in hand of the ONLY ONE legal entity of the project, you always found excuses to not do it. Today we know why....

How do you think it makes you looking? You sold all as exit scam, and in a last attempt to not consider yourself as a thief, you sent a small part?

Ho... important point. A premine IS a premine. You have stacked the premine during a so long time, AGAINST the request to stop this from the team AND from the community!!!
Then you have decided that the stakes were suddenly your own coins??? How is it even possible to say this???

ECAProtocol part : you seem to not understand at all the term "new chain" and what it means for the project foundation

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Proven brand name + Multiple existing exchanges >>    Spinoff coins from main branch rarely succeed + No exchanges and will require thousands of USD to be gathered from stakeholders to get listed

Haaaa this is the first thing which makes sense, congrats, the ECA part of this statement is correct!

Except than you forgot the community team AND the community is the ONLY reason for this, which is for sure important to mention, right?

You have not contributed to the brand's renown. Worst you tried to sink the project with your actions... again, today we know why....

ECAProtocol part : AGAIN this is one more proof that you didn't care at all of Electra since the beginning, saying such things... it's only because you have no clue on how the team manages the project. If so, you would not say such non sense...
 
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EO1 has private holdings on 23 Nov  > EO1 will get a 1:1 airdrop on all private holdings that existed on 23 Nov

wow... you think that the team who did everything since December 2017 has not managed this already?
You really have a high opinion of yourself and a low one of the team.

ECAProtocol part : wait and see?

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All infrastructure in place >> Will have to deal with getting into CMC and creating a block explorer etc.

I can't believe what i read.... at this point it becomes clear that you really don't realize what you are writing.

Who created and host the explorer? > TEAM
Who created and host ALL 3rd parties interfaces? > TEAM
Who created and get the ownership of ALL the products? > TEAM
Who paid for ALL of this? > TEAM

Well, it will be faster to do in the over way, what do you have for electra?

A weebly website and BTC from selling premine of the project for your own interest. Did i forget something?

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EO1 donated all pre-mine to the project so all initial EO1 objectives are obsolete >> EO1 received no 1:1 airdrop for the pre-mine so all initial EO1 objectives are obsolete

If you read all the above, is it still necessary to talk about the first part....

There is one SUPER interesting thing you say here, "all initial EO1 objectives are obsolete".

Very strange as it was one of your excuses to not send the premine to the foundation: Because of your OWN ROADMAP.

Again, again, and again : Today we know why....

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Twitter and Medium account owners defected to ECAP >> Will start with a decent number of Twitter followers and active Medium page

Second correct statement, not bad.

Yes the community as told above is the main reason of the success of ECA, community created everything that exist and so are the owners.

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Unique code, reviewed and published for public viewing >> New unknown/unproven code which is, as of yet, unpublished
 
YES !

This is what is called "Open Source". And the team can be proud of that!!!
 
ECAProtocol part : obviously you don't get this point either, the new code for ECAProtocol is the V3.0 update which was supposed to be the new massive update of Electra blockchain, if you didn't destroy it all. Yes, it's not yet public, as it's still under development. As ECAProtocol is an open source project as well, EVERYONE will have access to the code before the release, able to compile by themselves, fork, update, make change ect....
Basic crypto stuff...
 
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Established business partnerships >> No partnerships
 
And we finish this by this wonderful statement, which is also interesting in fact!
 
What partnership do you have?
What support do you provide for these partnership?
What's your capacities to maintain this?
 
From what we know as community, your only act was to pay a dev to create Electra back in 2017, from a fork of Iceberg coin. And... hmmm... nope, that's good enough.
 
I guess when you have writen this in your comparison table, You must have exchanged ECA and ECAP probably.
 
So far from what i have read, all the partnerships follow the team in ECAProtocol as there are the ones who did everything since 2017.
 
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Conclusion:

I must confess that I used a "funny" tone to write this, it's dramatic enough as it is to make the drama even more dramatic.

No one care of my own feeling, but i will express it because this hurts me more than i want to admit.

It would have been so simple to be part of the team as they requested, to support the project you created back in 2017.

It's clear enough that you never expected Electra to succeed as it did. And you considered this... i don't know, like an experience?

But even if it was an simple experience for you, you were not allow to play with user money.

Think to that and about what you did...

"some rogue users"
Are you talking about the volunteer team which did 100% of the work and which created 100% of the dev and social medias when you did and have nothing?
that team that did all the work when you absolutely never did anything?

it's you the rogue

the team had to announce this unplanned airdrop because you do not respond and instead, you were selling the project premine. And you say you had to anticipate that? by selling in advance??? (best joke)

Why didn't you answer my questions and wait 5 days without a response while you were still loging to sell the premine every day?

why are you giving this money to the foundation when they have asked you this since 2018? it no longer has any interest or value. everyone goes to ECAP. (except you)

why don't you donate the BTC and altcoins from the premine to the foundation? to pay T1 exchanges? to pay servers? to pay integrations? to pay development?

Why you always refused?

Why were you not transparent during the sales of the last 40 days and avoid answering?

why do you say that the stakes of the premine do not belong to the premine (and therefore to the foundation) when you said you should cover $ 1000 in 2017? and only need 100 million at this price (2017 price lol)  so why did you sell 700 million stakes for your personal account?

Very transparent and trustful

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.21138302

why you lie and do not understand that no code is hidden neither ECA nor ECAP?

The ECAP code is under development and we had to announce a non-planned snapshot in order to be able to block your rogue movements.

how to say that the code is not verified if the ECAP wallet does not exist?

Mostly, I think you don't understand anything about code and blockchain. Reading your text, it will be clear for everyone....

you said you don't have a personal eca when we know you have, now you're saying the opposite?

and the problem on ECA is not resolved!!! Since today on November 28 you bought a lot of eca with BTC obtained by illegally selling the premine.

conclusion = stay away from ECA from now on and don't believe E01, never, it's a liar.

Be my guest.

let's check this and have fun!!!

announced an unauthorized fork with unpublished/un-reviewed code

Is there only one example since the blockchain technology exists, that an open source code needs an authorization to be forked?

Also i have read nowhere that the team will do a fork, nore a swap. It is explicit in their announcement that it is a new chain, so new genesis block.


i wanted to stop reading here cuz it was already funny enough....

But i will prepare a detailed answer, with proof of your lies, wait a bit please 

Dear stakeholders,

A couple of days ago, some rogue users recklessly announced an unauthorized fork with unpublished/un-reviewed code, created FUD and directly caused the price of ECA to crash by 90% which was the highest daily crash since the bonanza. I anticipated a risk of such a move which is actually what provoked me to preemptively reduce my ECA position. I was not permitted to see the code or related discussions so I assumed a malicious move was imminent and I have been proven right. I believe this move was going to happen whether I had scaled out or not but as a result of my actions, they were forced to execute this plan quicker. Sadly, I realized it too late to stop it completely.

I am committed to ECA and have taken steps to resolve the issue in a manner that will benefit current ECA holders. As a result of part of the team breaking off and creating a new fork and coin brand called ECAP which will give a 1:1 airdrop to most ECA holders, I have decided to take two drastic measures to attempt to preserve ECA’s unity, stability and ensure it remains the primary chain in order to maximize the wealth of current holders. Firstly, the foundation will have received all remaining pre-mine by the time of this announcement. Secondly, I will no longer control any stakes by the time of this announcement. There were enough buy orders available to fully sell all 300,000,000+ ECA staked holdings in multiple exchanges in the past 24 hours.

By doing these actions, I have kept my word by having the entire pre-mine guaranteed for the project which preserves Electra’s legitimacy and as stakes no longer exist in publically viewable accounts, there will probably be no reason left for unnecessary, wealth-reducing splits ever again. Despite being out of all publicly viewable positions, I will continue to write in this forum for Electra. As I currently have no significant holdings, either chain’s performance will minimally affect me and if one version of the chain ceases to exist I will buy whichever one becomes the primary chain. In the end it is up to the stakeholders, the foundation and team to decide which will become the primary chain. Whichever chain prevails, I accept the result and am glad it will finally resolve an issue that has dragged on for four years.


I created a comparison table to help stakeholders decide on the primary chain.



*This table reflects the current situation and may change. More people may join ECAP or some may abandon ECAP and return to ECA. ECAP code may also be altered.

*November 23 is the date of the snapshot for ECAP. Anyone who had their funds on an exchange when the snapshot was taken will probably not be eligible for the airdrop.

Yup. Fucking thief and scammer. Quietly selling pre-mine to fuel his greed. ECAP is the way to go now.

Electra01 / https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/electra01-944561 has been unmasked as the most deceivefull person we can imagine. His only task was to gain only bitcoin by making false promises to the current team. He used these funds for his own benefit to pay for his expensive lifestyle. His own selfish character almost bomb the project to literally zero.

Please beware of this fraudulent person ( Electra01 ) and don't believe a single word he is saying or trying to make you believe. He discredited himself multiple times so this is a fair warning for the people from the future: Stay away, don't believe: Electra01. He will serve you the cake, but when you are not looking. He will eat the cake himself and then try to convince you that you ate it yourself.

The current team did the right thing by choosing for the future of the project and people around it. ECA is the past, long live ECAP.

Electra01, hi, with respect and careful consideration & contemplation, I write this message to you as a long term holder of ECA & a community member that shared in the vision & ethos of the project albeit as a simple investor too.
 
It is a most unfortunate outcome that an entire team of good, decent & dedicated & tirelessly hardworking people, whom have in totality carried, progressed & evolved the ECA project quite superbly over several years, have now reached a decision to leave the project en masse. Frankly, it would be reasonable to say it is a tragedy without being over dramatic at all. Nevertheless here we are.

I see that nobody else has chosen to post here in your preferred forum of communication since the announcement made by the team yesterday, yet I feel compelled to ask you a very simple question, what are your intentions now regarding ECA?

It is said that everybody thinks they are correct and right from their own perspective, alas & inevitably whilst that might be true, that very perspective that is held without having a truly balanced & deeper consideration to a much bigger picture, can and usually does lead to an outcome such as the current one regarding ECA.

Imho, we must & should always feel compelled to gracefully & generously & authentically weigh up & give credence & value to the perspectives of others in order for equitable and satisfactory outcomes to be reached. Especially when there are thousands of people potentially affected, this should be incumbent upon us unequivocally in all aspects of our decision making processes whereby what we choose to do can impact the lives of others in a myriad of ways & consequences.

Rather than engage in mud slinging or vitriolic negativity lets please engage in the truth underpinned by integrity & honesty. I am sure you never imagined or envisioned back in 2017 that all these years later, the current 'malaise' would transpire. So, again I respectfully ask you, where do you choose to go from here with ECA? A precise & comprehensive answer from you, whilst not demanded or expected, it would I am certain, be immensely appreciated by many people.


Thank you.

The code is not in a private room, no one has access to it, everyone works alone and we can check it together once it's done.

This is the first time in 3 years that you ask us for the code and that you use it as an excuse to sell the premine because you think we have something to hide?

I don't understand how you can do this when WE have always been transparent. Unlike you.

FIRST POINT = You sold tons of electra from the premine on your own account without giving us any proof of TXIDs of other blockchains, altcoins adress, proof of expense ...

 SECOND POINT = you pretend that the stakes of the premine are not the premine ? And you say the foundation refuses your offer? But accepting it would not have been honest because it is not what should be done.

No one honest can say that the stakes of the premine does not belong to the premine for the project! So change your mind today or assume being a scammer who will be judged for it.

THIRD POINT = If you are so transparent why October 23 did you sold huge amounts of electra from the premine? You did not indicate anything here to be transparent?

On November 16 the foundation asked you why you sold the 23 october? You STILL SOLD huge amount of electra on November 17th and you answered afterwards "because I don't trust the version 3 code that is not shown to me."

I repeat if you don't understand = THIS CODE DOES NOT EXIST FOR ANYONE YET

and TODAY, 23 november you still sell without saying anything?
is that your transparency?
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So you sold SEVERAL HUNDREDS OF MILLION electra premine 3 times in 1 month under false statements and without any transparency. ( Your pretext it's like asking to resuscitate a dead person or you sell the "premine".)

I asked you to be brave enough to redeem and you deflect the problem.

besides today can you give us a COMPLETE and precise inventory (address and TXID) of the accounts of the premine? Since the old one is no longer up to date and you do not respect transparency.

You should take me seriously and re-buy today the premine sold and be transparent.

And if you decline and prefer to be publicly displayed as a scammer, maybe it is time to reveal your full ID Eren Ö ? I've always kept my word and hope I don't need to say more.

no seriously you still believe in these crooks, little reminder I had 160 million ECA coins stolen from me, certainly with the complicity of the founder and the so-called volunteers responsible for promoting this coin
they are not at their first scams
I have proof of what I put forward, the exchanges of messages that I had published on Discord but of course they were deleted and I was banned
quit this shit and get on other much more serious projects, there are so many

I am aware we have had great talent contribute to the project.

Github has the current version. The upcoming code is in a private room. I need to see the hot code and the Discord discussion group for the new version. Please provide links if you have them so I can check them out. PM if you want I don't mind.

It's really upsetting how you feel about the whole project team spending weeks / months and even 3 years on this project. Haven't you seen what has been done over the past 3 years by these volunteers?

By the way, the code is not hidden at all. Everything can be seen through the github. Plus, if you've ever read the media articles, they've highlighted multiple times and even disclosed potential improvements to come (which could never be done without these guys who have always been loyal)

You have to show your real intentions by redeeming the parts and sending them back to the pre-mine. With this, the community will appreciate and understand your continued and honest support for your created project.

Are you brave enough to do this?

I would like to explain what led me to the decisions I took this past month. Firstly I must mention I have not done anything illegal or, to my knowledge, contradictory to any messages I have written previously. I am also not anonymous. An exchange leaked my identity years ago.

Ever since 2017, the largest funding for the project has been provided by me either directly or indirectly. I have been directly involved in two vital hard forks and many exchange negotiations until asked to step aside.

I am severely concerned that after multiple requests to the team over the past 2 months, I have not been shown the new code or been allowed to observe its progress. The potential possibilities of what is being done with the code seriously worry me. As I am not able to see the new code or who is working on it and therefore I do not know what direction the project is taking or what will change which is a very irregular position for a founder and primary donator to be put in. It is a red flag for me and hence I took the decision to reduce the ECA exposure of the funds I control. The removal of this thread link (my preferred line of communication) from Coinmarketcap a day after my previous post was also a factor in this decision. I will scale back in when the uncertainty regarding the code no longer exists.

There seems to be misconception about the definition of the pre-mine which I should clarify. The initial pre-mine is 1,000,000,019 as mentioned on day 1. It is not 1,600,000,000 as some people are insisting. It is recorded in the blockchain, unchangeable along with all expenditures which stand at 705,913,613 (hedge not included) of which a least 550,000,000 have gone to team and community projects. I offered to give the remainder of the pre-mine to the foundation after the team insisted but the offer got rejected and I was demanded to include the stakes and part with 880,000,000. Stakes are not pre-mine.

I have never guaranteed profits or told anyone to buy or sell Electra. In terms of transparency, Electra is in the top tier of the blockchain industry. Do not buy a cryptocurrency if you have concerns with it. There are 7000+ other options to choose from. In USD terms, an extremely high amount was invested into the development of the Electra blockchain and it is one of the best out there today. My issue is with the information being withheld from me and the team’s uncompromising attitude towards me. Not the project itself.

well done and thank you for what you did. (irony)

Electra01 you are the biggest crook ever seen and you are not ashamed of anything.

- You have never provided any work since 2018 and you are completely useless. (0.00 work not even the smallest thing)

You have never participated or offered anything in 2 years (except thank us) and you have just sold AGAIN the premine which was for the project (supposedly) for your own account.

Besides, you had already sold a lot of the premine in altcoin and I have messages with you telling you not to buy shitcoin (Golem ect ...) if it is for the project and you literally shit me on it in basically saying "no I do what I want".

In the end everything has fallen and you have no funds for the project after having massacred it with massive sales and you still continue to massacre it.
You are the worst manager and you do not want to give custody to the foundation which has a legal entity.
We have never changed or betrayed your trust in the code by blocking or recovering this premine, but you don't respect anything.

 They are NOT you funds but those of the premine for the project!


Unlike you I have worked ALL the time since 2017-2018 on electra but it's over. Well done for having us scam and I hope that you are indeed anonymous and that you did not leave a trace to find yourself (for a jugement/justice)

farewell
Without any respect for you
Robofus

Bonus = https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/390495436475072515/778204231311294474/Sans_titre.png

Great job by the team on the continued work with ElectraPay:

https://twitter.com/ElectracoinECA/status/1305419248211292160

Electra has released its last update in two months June and July with the most current news and events
https://twitter.com/ElectracoinECA/status/1292431036488523776?s=20

https://research.binance.com/en/projects/electra

I don't know precisely but coinfalcon is a very good exchange which has been used for a while by the eca community.
Maybe the "eca whales" don't want to move yet.