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Topic: [ANN][EMC2] Einsteinium | FUNDING THE FUTURE WITH THE FUTURE OF CURRENCY - page 306. (Read 1076368 times)

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May I ask WHY it is taking so long to open the new poll???

Also...make this poll count otherwise you will start to loose credibility.

I've been talking with some community members and feeling the PoS issue further. Honestly, the best benefit would be that it could stop multipool dumping while at the same time losing our loyal pools and miner base. It's a tough cookie to crack and I want to make sure the next poll is the final. We will market it out on all channels but only count votes here. I know you guys are ready for more than just algorithm changes so give me until after the weekend to make the call.

Always please forgive my absence here until mid next week. I'm finishing up trip travelling overseas and I'll be back home next Wednesday.

A good option would be 20% POW/ 80% POS, you keep the miners/pools and you limit the amount dumped by multipool. I might be wrong

I have not much of an idea on the details of the tech side and I am not a miner, so the following might be complete nonsense. I just want to be sure.

If you have like 20% POW, doesnt that mean lower diff, lower hashrate? Is this an open door for a 51% attack? I know that coin2 was attacked (a third time, but unsucessfully) because it was meant to be POS, but actually was POS/POW (Nxt fork I believe) with a really low hashrate.

Also, what if you have a scrypt coin with a low price and low diff/low hashrate (like emc2?). If you now start mining with asics, isnt there the danger of 51% attack again?

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May I ask WHY it is taking so long to open the new poll???

Also...make this poll count otherwise you will start to loose credibility.

I've been talking with some community members and feeling the PoS issue further. Honestly, the best benefit would be that it could stop multipool dumping while at the same time losing our loyal pools and miner base. It's a tough cookie to crack and I want to make sure the next poll is the final. We will market it out on all channels but only count votes here. I know you guys are ready for more than just algorithm changes so give me until after the weekend to make the call.

Always please forgive my absence here until mid next week. I'm finishing up trip travelling overseas and I'll be back home next Wednesday.

A good option would be 20% POW/ 80% POS, you keep the miners/pools and you limit the amount dumped by multipool. I might be wrong
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"The only real valuable thing is intuition."
May I ask WHY it is taking so long to open the new poll???

Also...make this poll count otherwise you will start to loose credibility.

I've been talking with some community members and feeling the PoS issue further. Honestly, the best benefit would be that it could stop multipool dumping while at the same time losing our loyal pools and miner base. It's a tough cookie to crack and I want to make sure the next poll is the final. We will market it out on all channels but only count votes here. I know you guys are ready for more than just algorithm changes so give me until after the weekend to make the call.

Always please forgive my absence here until mid next week. I'm finishing up trip travelling overseas and I'll be back home next Wednesday.
legendary
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May I ask WHY it is taking so long to open the new poll???

Also...make this poll count otherwise you will start to loose credibility.
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kinda makes sense with a science related coin no?

there is no scientific basis for the claims that people make about PoS being superior to PoW.

there is only conjecture, so the answer is.. No.

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Einsteinium is ranked #21 in social media popularity according to http://coinbrief.net/coin-social-activity/






Let's keep pushing Top 10


I think POS is great because it is more energy efficient and kinda makes sense with a science related coin no?
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Einsteinium is ranked #21 in social media popularity according to http://coinbrief.net/coin-social-activity/



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Chinese largest virtual currency trading platform BTC38 vote shelves have included a list of EMC2, please support EMC2: http://www.btc38.com/trade/vote_for_trade.html

Chinese largest virtual currency trading platform BTC38 vote shelves have included a list of EMC2, please support EMC2: http://www.btc38.com/trade/vote_for_trade.html


Awesome and Awesome!!! now vote vote vote!!
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Chinese second largest virtual currency trading platform BETR is also included in the vote on the EMC2 currency, please support EMC2: https://bter.com/voting
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Chinese largest virtual currency trading platform BTC38 vote shelves have included a list of EMC2, please support EMC2: http://www.btc38.com/trade/vote_for_trade.html
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Does anyone have control over the twitter account?   That might help to "get the vote out" for the next pool.  If not, then those of us on twitter could tweet about the vote to help make more people aware.

Also, if the website is able to get back up in time, it would be good to have the voting info there too.

I always tweet emc2.. This is the problem with most coins is the community buys coins and sits back and trys to get rich.... Then you have coins that do great cause the community is vocal..


BECOME VOCAL!!!
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Does anyone have control over the twitter account?   That might help to "get the vote out" for the next pool.  If not, then those of us on twitter could tweet about the vote to help make more people aware.

Also, if the website is able to get back up in time, it would be good to have the voting info there too.
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Why is einsteinium.org website currently down?"Error establishing a database connection"

We are running into some RAM issues on our server. This will be fixed and back online ASAP. Sorry for the downtime.
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"The only real valuable thing is intuition."
Beware: we have tens of votes on the polls, but how many people are helding EMC2 actually? The majority of EMC2 holders may be unaware of our discussions here, not everybody spends their time on forums. To change the fundamentals of a coin is something to do with enormous care - it's a violation of the whole concept behind a cryptocurrency: no serious investor would easily put money in a coin which menaces to change it's way to be generated every time that it's value does not rise.
This being said, if the community nevertheless decides for a change, a mixed PoW/PoW would probably be the best way to go, because it would strenghten the network against possible attacks and in my view our community is still far too little for a successful PoS coin. I'm repeating my question: once we are pure PoS why would someone OUTSIDE our community sudenly wish to buy our coins? If you can explain it to yourself please explain it also to me, I still don't get it. But beware that if your argument then doesn't work that's the case of the value of the coin finally dropping to zero. I understand that the few tens of people who have voted the poll own all together most of the coins in circulation and they dream of becoming rich very fast - I share your same dream, but I am also a realist. Who would buy our coins once we are the only ones to produce them by the way of PoS? Come on, this is a quite childish expectation.

I'm repeating it once again: we are here to give life to a coin which has the embedded property of funding science, no matter which its market price is. If we will be able to achieve that, we will also end up being happy with the coins price. There are no other ways. To this regard, I must say I am not happy with the funding of science having been halted for a few epochs because the price is low, as well as I am not happy with the payments to the awarded scientific projects being delivered in dollars, as it happened in the past. We should ALWAYS send the EMC2 coins to the winners, no matter which their value is. We can explain to the winners how to transform their coins in dollars, if that is what they prefer, but we should exclusively deliver EMC2s. The coins are worth little? Then winners are unlucky, we'll suggest them to keep the coins until they will be worth more. If we deliver dollars instead of EMC2 we betray our own coin, we send out a strong message that EMC2's value is only in terms of dollars, it looks like we don't believe in our own coin, we show that we didn't really get the new paradigm behind cryptocurrencies, we basically just do it wrong. The proof of the validity of I say? If you think in terms of dollars, when the market price drops you'll end up stopping with the process of awarding coins to science, thus destroying the credibility of the whole project. The coin is less than 4 months old, so these mistakes can be still recovered, but if the community does not understand these basic things we'll more likely to go down, rather than up again.

Regarding the change, perhaps we could think at something which has not been done yet (as far as I know, but of course I may be wrong, there are so many coins out there), a mixed PoW/PoS system with the embedded feature of a slow transition to PoS, perhaps over a couple of years.
I agree that IN THE END PoS sounds a way to go for cryptocurrencies in general, because it's echological, doesn't feed an unsustainable "arm race" of ASICS, etc, but you really have to have a big and strong community to be successful in that. Mintcoin had a community much bigger than ours, was quite well branded, but nevertheless since it's PoS the coin's price is slowly fading away.
A mixed PoW/PoS system which slowly goes in the direction of PoS could be an interesting solution. At the beginning it would be mainly PoW, like now, with just a minimal component of PoS. The ratio between PoW and PoS could change with every Epoch. A bit of PoW could be kept even for a some decades, this way there would always be the possibility for mining entusiasts to get some coins this way. Perhaps someone could start doing a bit of math on this.


First of all, I appreciate the time you've spent creating such a passionate and poignant post about the voting issue. I am also somewhat disappointed with the lack of vote count. To answer your question "Why would someone outside of our community want to buy our coin?" - The answer would be, because we are going to introduce a new system for donating to science that will increase the value of coins you hold. To invest in the future of science as well as your own financial future. That new system is much more necessary than a change of algorithm but it will take longer to flesh-out and implement. That being said, it is a priority of mine to introduce the new system as soon as possible. I've been brainstorming a lot but I would also like to hear yours and everyone else's input as well.

I'll be running a new poll for PoS, PoW, or PoW / PoS soon. If there are any other new innovative ideas to be put on the table please let me know ASAP.

Thanks again for your input.
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Why is einsteinium.org website currently down?"Error establishing a database connection"
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Now that you have decided to use the ballot to decide the future of the coin, then I will respect the outcome of the referendum, what is there in this discussion?
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Beware: we have tens of votes on the polls, but how many people are helding EMC2 actually? The majority of EMC2 holders may be unaware of our discussions here, not everybody spends their time on forums. To change the fundamentals of a coin is something to do with enormous care - it's a violation of the whole concept behind a cryptocurrency: no serious investor would easily put money in a coin which menaces to change it's way to be generated every time that it's value does not rise.
This being said, if the community nevertheless decides for a change, a mixed PoW/PoW would probably be the best way to go, because it would strenghten the network against possible attacks and in my view our community is still far too little for a successful PoS coin. I'm repeating my question: once we are pure PoS why would someone OUTSIDE our community sudenly wish to buy our coins? If you can explain it to yourself please explain it also to me, I still don't get it. But beware that if your argument then doesn't work that's the case of the value of the coin finally dropping to zero. I understand that the few tens of people who have voted the poll own all together most of the coins in circulation and they dream of becoming rich very fast - I share your same dream, but I am also a realist. Who would buy our coins once we are the only ones to produce them by the way of PoS? Come on, this is a quite childish expectation.

I'm repeating it once again: we are here to give life to a coin which has the embedded property of funding science, no matter which its market price is. If we will be able to achieve that, we will also end up being happy with the coins price. There are no other ways. To this regard, I must say I am not happy with the funding of science having been halted for a few epochs because the price is low, as well as I am not happy with the payments to the awarded scientific projects being delivered in dollars, as it happened in the past. We should ALWAYS send the EMC2 coins to the winners, no matter which their value is. We can explain to the winners how to transform their coins in dollars, if that is what they prefer, but we should exclusively deliver EMC2s. The coins are worth little? Then winners are unlucky, we'll suggest them to keep the coins until they will be worth more. If we deliver dollars instead of EMC2 we betray our own coin, we send out a strong message that EMC2's value is only in terms of dollars, it looks like we don't believe in our own coin, we show that we didn't really get the new paradigm behind cryptocurrencies, we basically just do it wrong. The proof of the validity of I say? If you think in terms of dollars, when the market price drops you'll end up stopping with the process of awarding coins to science, thus destroying the credibility of the whole project. The coin is less than 4 months old, so these mistakes can be still recovered, but if the community does not understand these basic things we'll more likely to go down, rather than up again.

Regarding the change, perhaps we could think at something which has not been done yet (as far as I know, but of course I may be wrong, there are so many coins out there), a mixed PoW/PoS system with the embedded feature of a slow transition to PoS, perhaps over a couple of years.
I agree that IN THE END PoS sounds a way to go for cryptocurrencies in general, because it's echological, doesn't feed an unsustainable "arm race" of ASICS, etc, but you really have to have a big and strong community to be successful in that. Mintcoin had a community much bigger than ours, was quite well branded, but nevertheless since it's PoS the coin's price is slowly fading away.
A mixed PoW/PoS system which slowly goes in the direction of PoS could be an interesting solution. At the beginning it would be mainly PoW, like now, with just a minimal component of PoS. The ratio between PoW and PoS could change with every Epoch. A bit of PoW could be kept even for a some decades, this way there would always be the possibility for mining entusiasts to get some coins this way. Perhaps someone could start doing a bit of math on this.

Very good arguments. +1
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Beware: we have tens of votes on the polls, but how many people are helding EMC2 actually? The majority of EMC2 holders may be unaware of our discussions here, not everybody spends their time on forums. To change the fundamentals of a coin is something to do with enormous care - it's a violation of the whole concept behind a cryptocurrency: no serious investor would easily put money in a coin which menaces to change it's way to be generated every time that it's value does not rise.
This being said, if the community nevertheless decides for a change, a mixed PoW/PoW would probably be the best way to go, because it would strenghten the network against possible attacks and in my view our community is still far too little for a successful PoS coin. I'm repeating my question: once we are pure PoS why would someone OUTSIDE our community sudenly wish to buy our coins? If you can explain it to yourself please explain it also to me, I still don't get it. But beware that if your argument then doesn't work that's the case of the value of the coin finally dropping to zero. I understand that the few tens of people who have voted the poll own all together most of the coins in circulation and they dream of becoming rich very fast - I share your same dream, but I am also a realist. Who would buy our coins once we are the only ones to produce them by the way of PoS? Come on, this is a quite childish expectation.

I'm repeating it once again: we are here to give life to a coin which has the embedded property of funding science, no matter which its market price is. If we will be able to achieve that, we will also end up being happy with the coins price. There are no other ways. To this regard, I must say I am not happy with the funding of science having been halted for a few epochs because the price is low, as well as I am not happy with the payments to the awarded scientific projects being delivered in dollars, as it happened in the past. We should ALWAYS send the EMC2 coins to the winners, no matter which their value is. We can explain to the winners how to transform their coins in dollars, if that is what they prefer, but we should exclusively deliver EMC2s. The coins are worth little? Then winners are unlucky, we'll suggest them to keep the coins until they will be worth more. If we deliver dollars instead of EMC2 we betray our own coin, we send out a strong message that EMC2's value is only in terms of dollars, it looks like we don't believe in our own coin, we show that we didn't really get the new paradigm behind cryptocurrencies, we basically just do it wrong. The proof of the validity of I say? If you think in terms of dollars, when the market price drops you'll end up stopping with the process of awarding coins to science, thus destroying the credibility of the whole project. The coin is less than 4 months old, so these mistakes can be still recovered, but if the community does not understand these basic things we'll more likely to go down, rather than up again.

Regarding the change, perhaps we could think at something which has not been done yet (as far as I know, but of course I may be wrong, there are so many coins out there), a mixed PoW/PoS system with the embedded feature of a slow transition to PoS, perhaps over a couple of years.
I agree that IN THE END PoS sounds a way to go for cryptocurrencies in general, because it's echological, doesn't feed an unsustainable "arm race" of ASICS, etc, but you really have to have a big and strong community to be successful in that. Mintcoin had a community much bigger than ours, was quite well branded, but nevertheless since it's PoS the coin's price is slowly fading away.
A mixed PoW/PoS system which slowly goes in the direction of PoS could be an interesting solution. At the beginning it would be mainly PoW, like now, with just a minimal component of PoS. The ratio between PoW and PoS could change with every Epoch. A bit of PoW could be kept even for a some decades, this way there would always be the possibility for mining entusiasts to get some coins this way. Perhaps someone could start doing a bit of math on this.
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Why is einsteinium.org website currently down?

"Error establishing a database connection" Huh

I've messaged Eddie and Lucas regarding this issue, it has been fixed. Thanks for notifying me.

You are part of the dcm team, why you dont do nothing? i hope you can be more presence on our topic too.
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"The only real valuable thing is intuition."
Why is einsteinium.org website currently down?

"Error establishing a database connection" Huh

I've messaged Eddie and Lucas regarding this issue, it has been fixed. Thanks for notifying me.
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