Topic: [ANN][GRE] GreenCoin | On Bittrex now! (Read 83641 times)
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https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/anngre-greencoin-a-blockchain-based-social-carbon-ecosystem-957976
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Anyone can help with wallet?
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Any news from dev?
Today GRE hit $0.000550 (379.80%)
0.00000023 BTC (366.76%) on yobit of cours
but they temprorrary off GE wallet and I can not send my coins to Yobit WTF !!!!!
Today GRE hit $0.000550 (379.80%)
0.00000023 BTC (366.76%) on yobit of cours
but they temprorrary off GE wallet and I can not send my coins to Yobit WTF !!!!! 
Free 1000 GRE On yobit.net right now! click Free Coins tab and Claim GRE.
@AM when you say 'support us and invest' who is 'us'? what is your name? do you have a legal entity?
I am trying to work out whether this is a scam or not, and because I can't find out who exactly is behind this I am struggling! I assume you are a charity? Could you send me your charity number so I can look you up on Charities Commission.
Trevor
I am trying to work out whether this is a scam or not, and because I can't find out who exactly is behind this I am struggling! I assume you are a charity? Could you send me your charity number so I can look you up on Charities Commission.
Trevor
I've posted an updated OP here with some upgraded graphics and such:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/anngre-greencoin-a-blockchain-based-social-carbon-ecosystem-957976
Please join me on the new thread going forward
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/anngre-greencoin-a-blockchain-based-social-carbon-ecosystem-957976
Please join me on the new thread going forward
GreenCoin is experiencing a technical issue. For a short time now the Foundation has been receiving 20 coins from one or more of the pools instead of 1000. For example here is a list of the last 20 transactions from the Foundation wallet:
[It is important to note that all other aspects of the coin, including merged mining, transactions, average block time, etc are all working perfectly.]
The code above indicates the coins coming into the Foundation. The amount is either "20" or "1000". Sometimes there are more "1000's" than "20's" so it probably depends on the relative strength of the pools set up correctly versus the unsub pool. Without an operating block explorer I wasn't able to determine whether the coins were being burned inadvertently. However, the evidence on Bittrex suggest strongly that one of the pools is receiving 1,980 coins and only sending 20 to the Foundation, due to programmatic-looking selling on Bittrex often being in exact multiples of 1980. The fact we get 20 coins also looks a lot like a pool donation of 2%. So the unsub pool probably has somehow set up their mining incorrectly and they keep 1980 coins that go to their miners and the 2% that was meant to go to the pool as a fee comes to us. Whether this was intentionally done or not is less important than the fact that it's possible. I alerted ncsupanda to the issue but he has not responded. I do not personally have the technical ability to fully address the issue and come up with a technical solution. If there are others who have the ability to help we do have some financing available. Please PM me. We have 1 BTC - 1.5 BTC available for this depending on the workload. Step 1 would be to fully understand the issue and then Step 2 would be to come up with the proper solution and implement it. Also it would be very helpful to have a block explorer working again I am soliciting this again for 0.15 BTC.
As far as payouts have been going, the foundation has been consistently receiving about 350,000-500,000 coins so I have donated in the difference to represent a "full payout" (that is, to reach the total of ~1.4M per day). The coin is cheap enough that I can do this for now and maybe a bit longer but it is not a long term solution. The Foundation is mandated to distribute the coins it actually receives per day and so I may drop the payout down to the actual coins received if I can no longer donate in the difference.
If your pool is receiving 1,980 coins instead of 1,000 per block, if you could please shut down for now or attempt to correct your pool set-up on your end I would greatly appreciate it. Obviously the code should make it impossible to defeat the compulsory shared coinbase transaction to the Foundation, so we apologize for this and are looking into solutions.
My analysis:
Code:
$./greencoind listtransactions "" 20 0
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[It is important to note that all other aspects of the coin, including merged mining, transactions, average block time, etc are all working perfectly.]
The code above indicates the coins coming into the Foundation. The amount is either "20" or "1000". Sometimes there are more "1000's" than "20's" so it probably depends on the relative strength of the pools set up correctly versus the unsub pool. Without an operating block explorer I wasn't able to determine whether the coins were being burned inadvertently. However, the evidence on Bittrex suggest strongly that one of the pools is receiving 1,980 coins and only sending 20 to the Foundation, due to programmatic-looking selling on Bittrex often being in exact multiples of 1980. The fact we get 20 coins also looks a lot like a pool donation of 2%. So the unsub pool probably has somehow set up their mining incorrectly and they keep 1980 coins that go to their miners and the 2% that was meant to go to the pool as a fee comes to us. Whether this was intentionally done or not is less important than the fact that it's possible. I alerted ncsupanda to the issue but he has not responded. I do not personally have the technical ability to fully address the issue and come up with a technical solution. If there are others who have the ability to help we do have some financing available. Please PM me. We have 1 BTC - 1.5 BTC available for this depending on the workload. Step 1 would be to fully understand the issue and then Step 2 would be to come up with the proper solution and implement it. Also it would be very helpful to have a block explorer working again I am soliciting this again for 0.15 BTC.
As far as payouts have been going, the foundation has been consistently receiving about 350,000-500,000 coins so I have donated in the difference to represent a "full payout" (that is, to reach the total of ~1.4M per day). The coin is cheap enough that I can do this for now and maybe a bit longer but it is not a long term solution. The Foundation is mandated to distribute the coins it actually receives per day and so I may drop the payout down to the actual coins received if I can no longer donate in the difference.
If your pool is receiving 1,980 coins instead of 1,000 per block, if you could please shut down for now or attempt to correct your pool set-up on your end I would greatly appreciate it. Obviously the code should make it impossible to defeat the compulsory shared coinbase transaction to the Foundation, so we apologize for this and are looking into solutions.
My analysis:
- The coin still works in the job it is trying to do as a carbon emission offset credit because the calculation is not dependent on the coin's split between the Foundation and the miners. Therefore, during the period where we are looking at solutions the coin can continue to operate as it currently does.
- This is a good time to look at all options on the table. For instance, (1) the coin could be forked with the coinbase tx code fix but also could contain any upgrades desired. (2) We could go to a PoS coin at this time and remove mining completely. The pros and cons of PoS versus PoW really need to be vetted first though. I think it matches out environmental imperative to have a coin that eliminates or minimizes PoW mining as much as possible, so eventually I think we should go in the PoS direction. Maybe given the current circumstances this is the right time to try it.
- I continue to be committed to this coin and if solutions are on the table I can raise the financing to implement them, within a reasonable amount.
Very happy to see GRE staying on Bittrex. Makes it WAY easier to have GRE as a payout coin on my multipool.
GRE has been bought a reprieve on Bittrex... seems like we are staying around a little longer... good job all you people who sent them an email..
Just put in my buy order on trex. Let's see where this one takes me 
Awesome a coin that has a purpose to help the world... Count me in tweet anything to me about this coin and i will retweet it https://twitter.com/AllCryptoAllDay
Love helping coins with purpose especially the environment any actual steps being taken to contact green peace or any of the big enviro players?
Love helping coins with purpose especially the environment any actual steps being taken to contact green peace or any of the big enviro players?
Thanks AllCrypto -- I'll send you some tweets. We're happy you share our enthusiasm for making a difference for the environment. It means a lot to us to help with our imperative. We've talked to Sierra Club and a few other players and are building a little bit of traction.
Awesome man I'm down if people like us don't make a difference who will?
I hear ya, hopefully some people will, but at least we are trying! It's a start!
Awesome a coin that has a purpose to help the world... Count me in tweet anything to me about this coin and i will retweet it https://twitter.com/AllCryptoAllDay
Love helping coins with purpose especially the environment any actual steps being taken to contact green peace or any of the big enviro players?
Love helping coins with purpose especially the environment any actual steps being taken to contact green peace or any of the big enviro players?
Thanks AllCrypto -- I'll send you some tweets. We're happy you share our enthusiasm for making a difference for the environment. It means a lot to us to help with our imperative. We've talked to Sierra Club and a few other players and are building a little bit of traction.
Awesome man I'm down if people like us don't make a difference who will?
Awesome a coin that has a purpose to help the world... Count me in tweet anything to me about this coin and i will retweet it https://twitter.com/AllCryptoAllDay
Love helping coins with purpose especially the environment any actual steps being taken to contact green peace or any of the big enviro players?
Love helping coins with purpose especially the environment any actual steps being taken to contact green peace or any of the big enviro players?
Thanks AllCrypto -- I'll send you some tweets. We're happy you share our enthusiasm for making a difference for the environment. It means a lot to us to help with our imperative. We've talked to Sierra Club and a few other players and are building a little bit of traction.
Awesome a coin that has a purpose to help the world... Count me in tweet anything to me about this coin and i will retweet it https://twitter.com/AllCryptoAllDay
Love helping coins with purpose especially the environment any actual steps being taken to contact green peace or any of the big enviro players?
Love helping coins with purpose especially the environment any actual steps being taken to contact green peace or any of the big enviro players?
Did ncsupanda go for his winter sleep?
I'm working patiently.
Be excited.
Did ncsupanda go for his winter sleep?
Nice website ideas! It shows the relationship well between the two values. It kind of fails the honey test though, you know, “honey, I bought you some CO2 for Christmas” “Thanks dear, but I wish you would quit smoking all that carbon I think its addled your brain”. Maybe it is just me but I'm kind of confused about the whole concept of buying carbon to pay for carbon offsets? Say I bought $20 of GRE at 16 sat and now it is worth 1 sat, where did the $20 go?
Sounds like the perfect Xmas gift to me! 
For the record carbon and carbon offsets are the same thing - you're buying the offset. I sometimes use these terms interchangeably. If the price goes up or down you have a capital gain or loss (like a stock). In your example you could also buy at 1 satoshi and sell at 16 as well, though we haven't seen the price going up lately unfortunately. Adoption will help IMO.But I do think you're right in that there is a huge untapped market waiting for this but I'm thinking it could be mostly from larger non-profit institutions and government agencies unless the benefits can be explained very simply and clearly. These tend to be the antithesis of anarchist coin mining rebels, “Vive la distributed autonomous processes! Down with the plutocracy!”.
Larger for-profits, non-profits and even gov's could eventually be buyers, however the coin is definitely designed to be empowerment for the little people. It's for the small solar guys and biofuels upstarts that need carbon credits that big entities trade with each other (albeit the gov makes them, which ultimately is a non-starter). No one can really control you owning it (like bitcoin) or trading it between each other, or holding a 5M winner-take-all poker night with your friends. Some good marketing support could really be helpful. “Love your planet dude, buy some carbon” Unfortunately I try to be helpful but lack a certain “tact?” that marketing requires, hopefully I haven't done more harm than good, my intentions are to be of help.
Good marketing: I cannot agree more. It will be tough to figure out how to "message" carbon and then one day it will suddenly be super easy. That day has not yet arrived.Just putting some suggestions out there, changing the coin structure (adding CPU mining and PoS) worked well for the magic coin community as XMG has really taken off where as the original scrypt only mined coin nearly lost all value when the asics hit the market. If a coin swap is done correctly you can certainly benefit your core supporters as their value will grow if the new coin structure does well. My reasoning for possibly doing a coin swap is from figuring that you will need some way of funding the foundation if you are not getting coins from the block rewards but certainly a hard fork of the coin is an easier thing to accomplish.
I think PoS is a definite eventuality. It is not in my wheelhouse to do such things though so I would need to reach out and find someone interested in consulting on the project (if you know anyone send them my way).As always just my 2 cents worth, I hope I'm not way off base with what your trying to do.
Good stuff, keep it coming, and glad you're interested.
Nice website ideas! It shows the relationship well between the two values.
It kind of fails the honey test though, you know, “honey, I bought you some CO2 for Christmas”
“Thanks dear, but I wish you would quit smoking all that carbon I think its addled your brain”. 
Maybe it is just me but I'm kind of confused about the whole concept of buying carbon to pay for carbon offsets? Say I bought $20 of GRE at 16 sat and now it is worth 1 sat, where did the $20 go?
But I do think your right in that there is a huge untapped market waiting for this but I'm thinking it could be mostly from larger non-profit institutions and government agencies unless the benefits can be explained very simply and clearly. These tend to be the antithesis of anarchist coin mining rebels, “Vive la distributed autonomous processes! Down with the plutocracy!”.
Some good marketing support could really be helpful. “Love your planet dude, buy some carbon” Unfortunately I try to be helpful but lack a certain “tact?” that marketing requires, hopefully I haven't done more harm than good, my intentions are to be of help.
Just putting some suggestions out there, changing the coin structure (adding CPU mining and PoS) worked well for the magic coin community as XMG has really taken off where as the original scrypt only mined coin nearly lost all value when the asics hit the market. If a coin swap is done correctly you can certainly benefit your core supporters as their value will grow if the new coin structure does well. My reasoning for possibly doing a coin swap is from figuring that you will need some way of funding the foundation if you are not getting coins from the block rewards but certainly a hard fork of the coin is an easier thing to accomplish.
As always just my 2 cents worth, I hope I'm not way off base with what your trying to do.
It kind of fails the honey test though, you know, “honey, I bought you some CO2 for Christmas”
“Thanks dear, but I wish you would quit smoking all that carbon I think its addled your brain”. Maybe it is just me but I'm kind of confused about the whole concept of buying carbon to pay for carbon offsets? Say I bought $20 of GRE at 16 sat and now it is worth 1 sat, where did the $20 go?But I do think your right in that there is a huge untapped market waiting for this but I'm thinking it could be mostly from larger non-profit institutions and government agencies unless the benefits can be explained very simply and clearly. These tend to be the antithesis of anarchist coin mining rebels, “Vive la distributed autonomous processes! Down with the plutocracy!”.
Some good marketing support could really be helpful. “Love your planet dude, buy some carbon” Unfortunately I try to be helpful but lack a certain “tact?” that marketing requires, hopefully I haven't done more harm than good, my intentions are to be of help.
Just putting some suggestions out there, changing the coin structure (adding CPU mining and PoS) worked well for the magic coin community as XMG has really taken off where as the original scrypt only mined coin nearly lost all value when the asics hit the market. If a coin swap is done correctly you can certainly benefit your core supporters as their value will grow if the new coin structure does well. My reasoning for possibly doing a coin swap is from figuring that you will need some way of funding the foundation if you are not getting coins from the block rewards but certainly a hard fork of the coin is an easier thing to accomplish.
As always just my 2 cents worth, I hope I'm not way off base with what your trying to do.
GreenCoin being backed in carbon means you can trade it like carbon and not just this altcoin nonsense. for example, here is the Allcoin market:
And here is what the exact same trading data could look like as part of a carbon trading website:
A site like this is a first: it's basically coin-agnostic. Users trade carbon not coins (and greencoin becomes the backend mechanism the carbon exchanging runs on top of). Note that all this takes is using the Allcoin data and multiplying BTC by the exchange rate to get $ amount, and the GreenCoin / Carbon exchange rate to get the amount of carbon (currently 31323.95 GRE per kg CO2). Otherwise it is the exact same data. To some extent I agree with Lightsplasher that Bittrex ultimately isn't really necessary, and they would actually be a competitor. But it is nice to have an exchange now so folks can buy now if they like the coin or the overall idea and there can be some adoption of the coin throughout the altcoin community (which hasn't happened much to date).
An open market, private-ownership peer-to-peer carbon offset asset currently exists exactly nowhere in the world today. I'm drinking my own kool-aid, so take that as a caveat, but in my opinion, there is a HUGE, untapped phantom market bursting at the seams to get their hands on something like this credit. And for me? I don't really care if someone else did it, I'll just run the Foundation and make sure the coin has the necessary carbon integrity. Somebody could make a lot of money or an exchange or carbon service like this: somebody with a good web dev team (integrating the customer experience with the carbon story is critical) and really crafty marketing.
Also, the mining conundrum was always an element we thought starting out would be broached downstream; either go PoS or some other solution, depending on the risks versus rewards (PoS does have some double spending concerns I've read right?). I don't feel a coin reboot is necessary. The folks that have been involved up until now deserve their stake for their effort and time, and given the size of the ecosystem. forking in some code changes would be acceptable. We did this back at block 150k when panda added merged mining.
And here is what the exact same trading data could look like as part of a carbon trading website:
A site like this is a first: it's basically coin-agnostic. Users trade carbon not coins (and greencoin becomes the backend mechanism the carbon exchanging runs on top of). Note that all this takes is using the Allcoin data and multiplying BTC by the exchange rate to get $ amount, and the GreenCoin / Carbon exchange rate to get the amount of carbon (currently 31323.95 GRE per kg CO2). Otherwise it is the exact same data. To some extent I agree with Lightsplasher that Bittrex ultimately isn't really necessary, and they would actually be a competitor. But it is nice to have an exchange now so folks can buy now if they like the coin or the overall idea and there can be some adoption of the coin throughout the altcoin community (which hasn't happened much to date).
An open market, private-ownership peer-to-peer carbon offset asset currently exists exactly nowhere in the world today. I'm drinking my own kool-aid, so take that as a caveat, but in my opinion, there is a HUGE, untapped phantom market bursting at the seams to get their hands on something like this credit. And for me? I don't really care if someone else did it, I'll just run the Foundation and make sure the coin has the necessary carbon integrity. Somebody could make a lot of money or an exchange or carbon service like this: somebody with a good web dev team (integrating the customer experience with the carbon story is critical) and really crafty marketing.
Also, the mining conundrum was always an element we thought starting out would be broached downstream; either go PoS or some other solution, depending on the risks versus rewards (PoS does have some double spending concerns I've read right?). I don't feel a coin reboot is necessary. The folks that have been involved up until now deserve their stake for their effort and time, and given the size of the ecosystem. forking in some code changes would be acceptable. We did this back at block 150k when panda added merged mining.
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