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sr. member
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December 01, 2014, 02:14:06 PM
But the main problem in widening the scope of this carbon offsetting is with the verification of this on the individual basis.
Anyone can fake a composting setup, unlike solar power system setup.
One solution for this is to appoint a central agency or person in each locality to identify and verify each nodes.
This kind of personal verification will help to nullify fake and duplicate nodes.

In my opinion having a person or central agency verify an individual compost producer or gardener could be a bit much.  Perhaps we could take a simpler route and have some visual record like a picture of the garden or compost pile be posted monthly for payments.  While it is true that these things can be easily faked, I think that it is better to trust people.  I don't think we are talking about major amounts of value for the individual compost producer and if it does turn into that in the future it would be a winning solution for the entire GreenCoin community so I doubt anyone would complain too vehemently. Smiley

In fact this type of thing is what we need to improve the earths ability to sustain us, which when you think about it is really the only value that any monetary system has as the bottom line anyway.

I hope that it will become easier for people to play along with the game rather than against it because verification will only go so far towards making real change.  Really the best progress comes from within by personal choice rather than by being forced outwardly by some system imho.
legendary
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December 01, 2014, 08:43:11 AM

WoW! This is an excellent push for Green Coin.
Possible crowd pulling in exchange markets are possible.
Also, the coin may get listed in all major exchanges just because of this.
On the other side, can't resist a coin value appreciation to a higher degree.

That Article is from back in June and isnt related to GreenCoin in any way. They tried to create a cryptocurrency, it crashed, but they had already created a number of articles to make it seem valuable. Pretty straightforward stuff, but it's irrelevant.
hero member
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December 01, 2014, 03:49:44 AM

WoW! This is an excellent push for Green Coin.
Possible crowd pulling in exchange markets are possible.
Also, the coin may get listed in all major exchanges just because of this.
On the other side, can't resist a coin value appreciation to a higher degree.
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December 01, 2014, 03:46:50 AM
But the main problem in widening the scope of this carbon offsetting is with the verification of this on the individual basis.
Anyone can fake a composting setup, unlike solar power system setup.
One solution for this is to appoint a central agency or person in each locality to identify and verify each nodes.
This kind of personal verification will help to nullify fake and duplicate nodes.
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December 01, 2014, 03:33:33 AM
i thought so, thanks for the clarification ...
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CoinQuacker
December 01, 2014, 02:23:55 AM

are these the same coins? the subject of this thread seems to be a lot different to what is outlined in the link that has been shared above?


it's a different thing entirely
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December 01, 2014, 02:00:12 AM

are these the same coins? the subject of this thread seems to be a lot different to what is outlined in the link that has been shared above?
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Uro: 1 URO = 1 metric tonne of Urea N46 fertilizer
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December 01, 2014, 12:38:57 AM
I think it is a great idea to target individuals and add composting and perhaps even home gardening to the mix of technologies supported by GreenCoin.  There are some intangible benefits to thinking along the lines of “waste is food” that composting supports, kind of like the “cradle to cradle” design initiative.  These things feel good to me.

We are just a family of three so there is not that much compost being produced but it keeps the amount of garbage down and helps us grow organic food.  Much of the compost washes down into the berry patch from the rain so it is difficult to measure it.  We get many jars of blackberry preserves, raspberries, blueberries, and potatoes as well as other garden veggies from our yard – it would be easier to measure how much of this we produce. 

Producing yourself or buying locally helps to reduce the carbon footprint made from shipping goods long distances by large container ships.  Keeping trash out out the landfills reduces the amount of work needed to transport and bury this trash and I think it reduces the amount of methane produced when things decompose without enough oxygen.

I have know idea how to measure this but maybe some value based on number of family members and how the compost is used as well as if additional materials are gathered from the neighbours.  I've occasionally composted the neighbours leaves, branches and horse manurer to get the pile heating up more.  There must be some data on how much compostable garbage a typical family makes and maybe some figures on how much carbon it takes to ship food many miles to the table.

One other reminder - the week long PoB GreenCoin campaign starts tomorrow so please sign up if you want to ride for the coins!
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November 30, 2014, 11:06:02 PM
hi, just been reading through some of the info, a lot to read but far too much FUD and change the algo chat. well done getting through to this stage of development with the additions of other CO2 reduction incentives.
home composting is great idea to read.

wondering if there are any pools other than the ones listed in the OP and if anyone has a mining profitability calculator as not listed in coinwarz.
legendary
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November 30, 2014, 08:12:31 PM
Was away for the last few days traveling for Thanksgiving.

Am back now - I'll read through the above discussion and list opinions later tonight/tomorrow.
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November 29, 2014, 02:27:59 PM
So, you are putting composting to the Green Coin.
When will it be started? My compost yard is on the making for my farm.

we could start it fairly soon but I definitely want some feedback on the methodology and such.

As for you, how much compost do you think you make in a year?

Around 800 to 1000Kg. Unit is on setup work.
Another large scale is on the channel and will start from Jan 2015.
Large scale one is not yet finalised.
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CoinQuacker
November 29, 2014, 02:17:19 PM
So, you are putting composting to the Green Coin.
When will it be started? My compost yard is on the making for my farm.

we could start it fairly soon but I definitely want some feedback on the methodology and such.

As for you, how much compost do you think you make in a year?
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November 29, 2014, 02:12:01 PM
So, you are putting composting to the Green Coin.
When will it be started? My compost yard is on the making for my farm.
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CoinQuacker
November 29, 2014, 02:02:49 PM
I would like to open the floor for ideas on getting composting added to GreenCoin. The most significant "final answer" is to get to a net weight of CO2 that is ultimately sequestered per unit weight of compost.

Currently we have two distinct types of producers in the GreenCoin ecosystem: PV solar (electric power) and biodiesel (liquid/transportation fuel, waste-vegetable oil source)

  • For electrical the calculation is 0.527 kg CO2 [global average to produce 1 kWh of electricity) - 0.046 kg CO2 (PV solar equivalent to produce 1 kWh electricity) = 0.481 kg CO2 offset per kWh
  • Biodiesel (from WVO): 9.167 kg Co2/gallon petro-diesel impact - 1.969 kg CO2 biodiesel impact = 7.167 kg CO2 offset per gallon

We know that, eventually, GreenCoin will need to encompass agriculture, farming and forestry to have the total CO2 offset impact required in order to address the total carbon picture. So at some point we need to just dive in and get started. I've been reading some interesting information about composting and soil management benefits, existing carbon standards such as the ACR, and a bunch of other resources over the past couple of days. The trick is to come up with a good single number that relates compost CO2e to the same CO2e seen with the likes of PV solar.

The ACR published a report with a detailed calculation for compost added to rangeland here (pages 24-31). This is an EXTREMELY detailed calculation. The general pathology with these types of reports is to take a look at massive projects because, in general, these reports are for the benefit of governments (in this case the State of California) to make informed decisions on how to distribute carbon throughout their carbon tax or Cap & Trade system they have legislated, and therefore projects have a deminimus size to be considered useful.

With GreenCoin we like to take a more "bottom up" approach; looking at carbon from a small scale, like an individual user or small Producer, and then multiplying that effect across a large population set (should GreenCoin be considered useful and grow considerably, of course). There are several reasons for this:

- it is much simpler to calculate carbon offset effects
- the individual user is engaged much more easily. They can see what kind of difference they are actually making by the decisions they make
- Ultimately the responsibility of carbon belongs with everyone, and the global effect of climate change is exactly equal to [Everyone's Effect * Everybody], so engaging the end user individually is an absolute imperative, in our opinion

For me it is difficult to see how spreading compost over 1000 hectares in California and studying it over 40 years is really so great for the environment that it's worth paying for. It's just too abstract. And I'm a pretty smart guy when it comes to carbon, or at least I feel I am engaged and "paying attention" so to speak, so when I see other folks that take a look at these things and think "what a giant waste of taxpayer money, screw this carbon bullshit," I mean, I have a lot of sympathy for that. What we are really talking about here, for most of us anyway, is cost. So the dialogue now is what's the cost and how do pay for it? for which at GreenCoin we provide a potential answer: a distributed, market-based system of private ownership.

So with carbon as it relates to organic matter and recycling/reclamation, I was thinking of taking this opposite, bottom-up approach, and then determining if the result was at least theoretically similar to the likes of an ACR calculation, and a good agreement there means we have something that we could go to war with. I present a calculation below but will need to determine a mechanism for comparison to the ACR and update further.

Americans threw away 254 million tons of stuff in 2007 and 28.3% of that was organic matter ("green waste"). Food waste is particularly bad at being recovered, only 2.6%, and yard waste is pretty good at 64.1%.

  • 1 lb of food/green waste is about 70-80% water or a minimum of 0.2 lb organic matter
  • of the organic matter about 50% is molecular carbon (equal to about 0.1 lb C per pound of food)
  • 0.1 lb pure C is worth 0.367 lbs CO2e, or 0.167 kg CO2e*
  • Americans toss about 4.6 lbs of trash a day of which 1.25 lbs is food waste (per capita)
  • The average American daily impact from green waste (yard and food) is therefore 0.21 kg CO2e per day

* note, pure carbon (C) weighs 12 g/mol and CO2 weighs 44 g/mol. This is commonly known as CO2e (carbon dioxide equivalent) so folks are always comparing apples to apples on weight.
* These calculations are quite simple and "back-of-the-envelope." I present them to invite refinement and debate. Also, it helps to show simplicity to further highlight a key benefit of the GreenCoin model.

So that's about the same amount of carbon in green waste as generating 0.5 kWh per person, per day, of green power (such as solar). That's not a big impact but it's a real impact if you spread that across 300 M people. Also, it is a "tangible" impact. When you throw away a day's worth of food at home that would ultimately be landfilled, you threw away 0.5 kWh of green energy. That's 50 full cell phone charges. This is the type of impact I think people can relate too.

I feel significantly convinced that food and green waste presents substantial greenhouse gas reduction potential. I propose offering GreenCoin in the amount of 0.167 kg CO2 per lb of food or green waste. Since most people compost by unit volume, I think 1,000 lbs/yard is a good starting point, so that is 167 kg CO2 per yard of compost. A cubic yard is 202 gallons so 1 gallon of compost = 0.825 kg CO2e.

Reporting: For reporting purposes, a composter could simply report the compost unit weight (preferable) or volume once the the compost is finished. For folks at home who have food/yard pick-up, the GreenCoin credit should ultimately reside with the composter (the municipality, for example). Considering there is not a lot of municipal food waste pick-up in the US, we can push for backyard composting as being the big push. I would hope to make more of a dent in food waste where the recovery is quite pathetic.

When it comes to compost use, I was very happy to read about evidence for a kind of upward-spiraling, virtuous "carbon cycle," that I linked to above. This premature data of additional carbon sequestration, if true, won't be caught in the GreenCoin calc per se, but it does highlight an additional benefit of the power of people changing their carbon habits and mindset in small ways and how that may translate to future benefits toward our environment and climate future that are hard to predict with today's data. This gives an element of hope too; that we have the ability and power to make powerful changes in a meaningful timeframe, and with a lot of the doom-and-gloom type news coverage of climate inevitability, I like having that hope abound.
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November 29, 2014, 06:58:57 AM
Code:
ihashfury@ice:~$ greencoind getinfo
{
    "version" : 90100,
    "protocolversion" : 70006,
    "walletversion" : 60000,
    "balance" : 0.00000000,
    "blocks" : 238955,
    "timeoffset" : 0,
    "connections" : 19,
    "proxy" : "",
    "difficulty" : 119.96825056,
    "testnet" : false,
    "keypoololdest" : 1416412367,
    "keypoolsize" : 101,
    "paytxfee" : 0.00000000,
    "mininput" : 0.00001000,
    "errors" : ""
}

Running with 19 connections.

Code:
greencoind addnode 188.226.195.137:11036 add
to connect  Wink
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CoinQuacker
November 29, 2014, 03:40:37 AM
Hey guys, looking for some help with the greencoin deamon.  I cannot for the life of me get connections out of the latest version.  Since updating a while back it's been hit and miss for getting any sort of conenctions for the daemon to run.  The new version also seems to hang a LOT.  I've tried the addnodes in the OP and also the ones that were posted 3 pages back that were stated as stable with little result.

Anyone else run into these issues and how were they resolved.  I've deleted and reinstalled several times, new wallets, etc.

Please let me know because I cannot get the faucet to operate without the deamon getting blocks.  The Block Explorer is also lagging big time.

Looking forward to the chain coming back online. If you don't get it working with the addnode that iHashFury suggested feel free to message ncsupanda for help.
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November 28, 2014, 06:44:10 AM
Hey guys, looking for some help with the greencoin deamon.  I cannot for the life of me get connections out of the latest version.  Since updating a while back it's been hit and miss for getting any sort of conenctions for the daemon to run.  The new version also seems to hang a LOT.  I've tried the addnodes in the OP and also the ones that were posted 3 pages back that were stated as stable with little result.

Anyone else run into these issues and how were they resolved.  I've deleted and reinstalled several times, new wallets, etc.

Please let me know because I cannot get the faucet to operate without the deamon getting blocks.  The Block Explorer is also lagging big time.

Code:
greencoind addnode 188.226.195.137:11036 add
should work
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November 27, 2014, 04:07:42 PM
Hey guys, looking for some help with the greencoin deamon.  I cannot for the life of me get connections out of the latest version.  Since updating a while back it's been hit and miss for getting any sort of conenctions for the daemon to run.  The new version also seems to hang a LOT.  I've tried the addnodes in the OP and also the ones that were posted 3 pages back that were stated as stable with little result.

Anyone else run into these issues and how were they resolved.  I've deleted and reinstalled several times, new wallets, etc.

Please let me know because I cannot get the faucet to operate without the deamon getting blocks.  The Block Explorer is also lagging big time.
sr. member
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November 25, 2014, 05:28:51 PM
Someone stole my bike a few weeks ago  Angry

Have a good ride  Smiley

Sorry about your bike Stinky_Pete.  Hey, maybe Google will invent a self driven solar electric bike that we can communally use.  Just push a button and the closest bike not in use comes to you.  We might have to solve a small economic wealth distribution issue for that to work well though.  Grin

PoR is part of the program too.  Walk, run, bike... Thanks for comments all, it makes me happy to be a part of all this!
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