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newbie
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Hi guys, I am on the whitelist to invest in Envion, the sale i belief start on the 15th of December.

It looks really good, although there are few red flags as well, I was just wondering who is going invest in this ICO? Who thinks this will be a worthwhile venture to invest into?

Thanks

Rock
newbie
Activity: 35
Merit: 0
Nice project! I read about dual currency mining, which currencies are you guys planning to mine? who decides which coin is going to be mined? And what is the problem solver when the difficulty goes up for specific coins?

Currently it will mine Bitcoin and Ethereum. The software decides what is profitable and switches automated in case one of those coins are not profitable anymore. The MMUs scale up over time so the difficulty shouldn't be much of a problem.

Can you explain how you will pay 161% in profits to all tokenholders starting January and at the same time building up your facilities over time ?

I thought this is either or ?

Because if you do not build up and have it running by say January, you will need to pay dividens from your capital and then what you become is a ponzi scheme, If you only raise 10 Mio USD, you will need for example 6000 s9 miners delivered in January, in order to do so, you must have paid and ordered them back in October, otherwise you need to buy on the secondary market for double the price, then the calculation does not work anymore.

SO MY QUESTION IS:

1) HOW DO YOU BUILD UP OVER TIME AND IMMEDIATLY AT THE SAME MOMENT
2) HOW MANY S9 HAVE YOU ORDERED AND PAID BY NOW ?

newbie
Activity: 35
Merit: 0
I really appreciate the effort.Everyone should go through your finding before Investing.

We would actually appreciate a bit more of an effort before people start making accusations. 

The OP did not do a simple Google search on incorporating a company in Switzerland before insinuating that we are operating dishonestly.

Here's the first Google result for me: https://startups.ch/en/inform/foreignentrepreneurs/faq/

You will see that CHF 150,000 were invested because that's the amount required for a public limited company.  The ICO cost is estimated at $1.5 million which has mostly been raised already. Details in the WP.

Our CEO was indeed a journalist and has since had a two-decade career in the energy industry and runs an energy investment firm: http://www.quadrat-capital.com/management/

He has a very public profile and has helped lead many startups to success in the energy industry.

We have filed for a patent for our high-efficiency air cooling system. Our legal team estimates that it will be processed and available for your confirmation on the DPMA registration site in the next week or two. Patent filing number: 102017125540.0.  We did not develop this technology in one month, but over the course of many months of R&D.

Operating in stealth mode during R&D and product development is a normal process—especially in the hardware business—to protect the intellectual property of the company and the negotiations with suppliers and customers until they are finalized.  Envion was made public when it made business sense to do so and our website, LinkedIn profiles, etc reflect that.  We know that anyone knowledgeable about startups and business understands how secrecy during the incubation period can be essential to success.

Now that we are public, we are operating with full transparency and we would encourage everyone to investigate and question our business.  However, we would also like the opportunity to engage directly with everyone so that we can answer questions before any accusations of dishonesty.  The OP has shown a complete unwillingness to engage in dialogue with us.  I hope you do your research and see how we have responded and go through ALL the public information on envion.  Please also do us the courtesy of informing yourself on the normal requirements and practices for businesses in our industry.

Lastly, envion's success is dependent on contracts with major energy industry customers.  Regulation is the norm in that industry and it is certainly normal for our team.  We operate transparently and in full compliance with financial and business regulations, not just because those are our values and we should do so to protect the investments of ICO participants, but also because one cannot operate in the energy industry if one is not in full compliance. 

We don't know how ICO scams operate and we have no interest in it.  We are offering a security token that is already complaint with SEC and Swiss financial authority regulations.  Envion is working to be traded on regulated exchanges.  We have outside auditors and partnerships with public research institutions.  It's shameful that unknown people with no social proof of identity can make accusations and threats about our business and that their claims are accepted with no scrutiny.  Please do your due diligence before amplifying their message.
 

hi envion (or AzakeB or Sparky71),

i'm just catching up on all the information about envion...in your above post from about a month ago...you mentioned that "We have filed for a patent for our high-efficiency air cooling system. Our legal team estimates that it will be processed and available for your confirmation on the DPMA registration site in the next week or two. Patent filing number: 102017125540.0.  We did not develop this technology in one month, but over the course of many months of R&D."...

i tried going to the DPMA registration site to find out more about this but perhaps i wasn't doing it right...i was unable to find the relevant information...

is this the right place to go to https://depatisnet.dpma.de/DepatisNet/depatisnet?action=einsteiger?

it will be great if you can advise how i can search for the Patent filing number: 102017125540.0.

thanks,
tommy

Apparently it takes a while for this information to show up on the DPMA web portal. If you really wish to verify the existence of the patent, then you must call DPMA directly to inquire about it.

No idea where to find it, maybe someone from envion can offer a link for that claim.

What is MUCH MIRE INTERESTING is that the name ENVION is Trademarked, also in Electrical Appliances etc. under 4264383 to be found at WIPO, so probably they must change their name pretty soon.
Its the same company that can be found at envion.com
newbie
Activity: 56
Merit: 0
I really appreciate the effort.Everyone should go through your finding before Investing.

We would actually appreciate a bit more of an effort before people start making accusations. 

The OP did not do a simple Google search on incorporating a company in Switzerland before insinuating that we are operating dishonestly.

Here's the first Google result for me: https://startups.ch/en/inform/foreignentrepreneurs/faq/

You will see that CHF 150,000 were invested because that's the amount required for a public limited company.  The ICO cost is estimated at $1.5 million which has mostly been raised already. Details in the WP.

Our CEO was indeed a journalist and has since had a two-decade career in the energy industry and runs an energy investment firm: http://www.quadrat-capital.com/management/

He has a very public profile and has helped lead many startups to success in the energy industry.

We have filed for a patent for our high-efficiency air cooling system. Our legal team estimates that it will be processed and available for your confirmation on the DPMA registration site in the next week or two. Patent filing number: 102017125540.0.  We did not develop this technology in one month, but over the course of many months of R&D.

Operating in stealth mode during R&D and product development is a normal process—especially in the hardware business—to protect the intellectual property of the company and the negotiations with suppliers and customers until they are finalized.  Envion was made public when it made business sense to do so and our website, LinkedIn profiles, etc reflect that.  We know that anyone knowledgeable about startups and business understands how secrecy during the incubation period can be essential to success.

Now that we are public, we are operating with full transparency and we would encourage everyone to investigate and question our business.  However, we would also like the opportunity to engage directly with everyone so that we can answer questions before any accusations of dishonesty.  The OP has shown a complete unwillingness to engage in dialogue with us.  I hope you do your research and see how we have responded and go through ALL the public information on envion.  Please also do us the courtesy of informing yourself on the normal requirements and practices for businesses in our industry.

Lastly, envion's success is dependent on contracts with major energy industry customers.  Regulation is the norm in that industry and it is certainly normal for our team.  We operate transparently and in full compliance with financial and business regulations, not just because those are our values and we should do so to protect the investments of ICO participants, but also because one cannot operate in the energy industry if one is not in full compliance. 

We don't know how ICO scams operate and we have no interest in it.  We are offering a security token that is already complaint with SEC and Swiss financial authority regulations.  Envion is working to be traded on regulated exchanges.  We have outside auditors and partnerships with public research institutions.  It's shameful that unknown people with no social proof of identity can make accusations and threats about our business and that their claims are accepted with no scrutiny.  Please do your due diligence before amplifying their message.
 

hi envion (or AzakeB or Sparky71),

i'm just catching up on all the information about envion...in your above post from about a month ago...you mentioned that "We have filed for a patent for our high-efficiency air cooling system. Our legal team estimates that it will be processed and available for your confirmation on the DPMA registration site in the next week or two. Patent filing number: 102017125540.0.  We did not develop this technology in one month, but over the course of many months of R&D."...

i tried going to the DPMA registration site to find out more about this but perhaps i wasn't doing it right...i was unable to find the relevant information...

is this the right place to go to https://depatisnet.dpma.de/DepatisNet/depatisnet?action=einsteiger?

it will be great if you can advise how i can search for the Patent filing number: 102017125540.0.

thanks,
tommy

Apparently it takes a while for this information to show up on the DPMA web portal. If you really wish to verify the existence of the patent, then you must call DPMA directly to inquire about it.
newbie
Activity: 56
Merit: 0
Looks very interesting and promising.We will buy tokens and the investment will be used to fund a mobile mining company. Will investors receive any dividend down the road? Or they just profit off by selling their coins to potential buyers in future?

I would like to advise you to join the telegram chat and read the whitepaper. It seems you didn't do much research.

In short: Tokens are real-asset backed and you buy your rights to earn a share of their profits paid in dividends on a weekly basis in eth.
So if you hold 10k EVN you receive 10k/150.000k shared dividends.
ROI is 161% based on the original $1 per Token. Even if tokens will be traded you still get the same ROI of the orignal amount you have invested.


But if you sell the tokens in the future, then you stop being entitled to receive dividends, and from that moment the new buyer acquires that right, I'm right?

The payouts are linked directly to EVN tokens via smart contract. Therefore, if you sell the tokens, you are no longer entitled to the dividends. The buyer indeed acquires this right.
newbie
Activity: 1
Merit: 0
Looks very interesting and promising.We will buy tokens and the investment will be used to fund a mobile mining company. Will investors receive any dividend down the road? Or they just profit off by selling their coins to potential buyers in future?

I would like to advise you to join the telegram chat and read the whitepaper. It seems you didn't do much research.

In short: Tokens are real-asset backed and you buy your rights to earn a share of their profits paid in dividends on a weekly basis in eth.
So if you hold 10k EVN you receive 10k/150.000k shared dividends.
ROI is 161% based on the original $1 per Token. Even if tokens will be traded you still get the same ROI of the orignal amount you have invested.


But if you sell the tokens in the future, then you stop being entitled to receive dividends, and from that moment the new buyer acquires that right, I'm right?
newbie
Activity: 3
Merit: 0
I really appreciate the effort.Everyone should go through your finding before Investing.

We would actually appreciate a bit more of an effort before people start making accusations. 

The OP did not do a simple Google search on incorporating a company in Switzerland before insinuating that we are operating dishonestly.

Here's the first Google result for me: https://startups.ch/en/inform/foreignentrepreneurs/faq/

You will see that CHF 150,000 were invested because that's the amount required for a public limited company.  The ICO cost is estimated at $1.5 million which has mostly been raised already. Details in the WP.

Our CEO was indeed a journalist and has since had a two-decade career in the energy industry and runs an energy investment firm: http://www.quadrat-capital.com/management/

He has a very public profile and has helped lead many startups to success in the energy industry.

We have filed for a patent for our high-efficiency air cooling system. Our legal team estimates that it will be processed and available for your confirmation on the DPMA registration site in the next week or two. Patent filing number: 102017125540.0.  We did not develop this technology in one month, but over the course of many months of R&D.

Operating in stealth mode during R&D and product development is a normal process—especially in the hardware business—to protect the intellectual property of the company and the negotiations with suppliers and customers until they are finalized.  Envion was made public when it made business sense to do so and our website, LinkedIn profiles, etc reflect that.  We know that anyone knowledgeable about startups and business understands how secrecy during the incubation period can be essential to success.

Now that we are public, we are operating with full transparency and we would encourage everyone to investigate and question our business.  However, we would also like the opportunity to engage directly with everyone so that we can answer questions before any accusations of dishonesty.  The OP has shown a complete unwillingness to engage in dialogue with us.  I hope you do your research and see how we have responded and go through ALL the public information on envion.  Please also do us the courtesy of informing yourself on the normal requirements and practices for businesses in our industry.

Lastly, envion's success is dependent on contracts with major energy industry customers.  Regulation is the norm in that industry and it is certainly normal for our team.  We operate transparently and in full compliance with financial and business regulations, not just because those are our values and we should do so to protect the investments of ICO participants, but also because one cannot operate in the energy industry if one is not in full compliance. 

We don't know how ICO scams operate and we have no interest in it.  We are offering a security token that is already complaint with SEC and Swiss financial authority regulations.  Envion is working to be traded on regulated exchanges.  We have outside auditors and partnerships with public research institutions.  It's shameful that unknown people with no social proof of identity can make accusations and threats about our business and that their claims are accepted with no scrutiny.  Please do your due diligence before amplifying their message.
 

hi envion (or AzakeB or Sparky71),

i'm just catching up on all the information about envion...in your above post from about a month ago...you mentioned that "We have filed for a patent for our high-efficiency air cooling system. Our legal team estimates that it will be processed and available for your confirmation on the DPMA registration site in the next week or two. Patent filing number: 102017125540.0.  We did not develop this technology in one month, but over the course of many months of R&D."...

i tried going to the DPMA registration site to find out more about this but perhaps i wasn't doing it right...i was unable to find the relevant information...

is this the right place to go to https://depatisnet.dpma.de/DepatisNet/depatisnet?action=einsteiger?

it will be great if you can advise how i can search for the Patent filing number: 102017125540.0.

thanks,
tommy
member
Activity: 140
Merit: 12
Highest ROI crypto infrastructure
Awesome!

Laurent will welcome you. He can answer every question.
Study the whitepaper and ask whatever you want.

https://t.me/Envion

Summing up some FAQ:

- ROI is always based on the initial 1$ per Token. No matter how far the tokens dropping when hitting exchanges (they won't) you will receive the same ROI
- Tokens considered to be the first real security. BaFin and SEC compliant.
- Neither Tokens will give you shares of the company nor you possess parts of the hardware.
- The tokens will give the right to get profits from the mining. Based on how much tokens you are holding envion will pay you dividends (profit of the mining)
- These dividends will be paid in ETH. So you basically give Envion your ETH public wallet address and ENVION will pay dividends automatically through a smart contract


how offten they will payout?

Dividends payout will start end of january 2018 and then on a weekly basis in ETH.
They don't promise a ROI of 161% on the weekly payout but over the period of a year you will get your ROI of 161%.
full member
Activity: 364
Merit: 101
Awesome!

Laurent will welcome you. He can answer every question.
Study the whitepaper and ask whatever you want.

https://t.me/Envion

Summing up some FAQ:

- ROI is always based on the initial 1$ per Token. No matter how far the tokens dropping when hitting exchanges (they won't) you will receive the same ROI
- Tokens considered to be the first real security. BaFin and SEC compliant.
- Neither Tokens will give you shares of the company nor you possess parts of the hardware.
- The tokens will give the right to get profits from the mining. Based on how much tokens you are holding envion will pay you dividends (profit of the mining)
- These dividends will be paid in ETH. So you basically give Envion your ETH public wallet address and ENVION will pay dividends automatically through a smart contract


how offten they will payout?

Every week you will get your payout. Payout will begin at the end of january 2018.
member
Activity: 149
Merit: 10
Awesome!

Laurent will welcome you. He can answer every question.
Study the whitepaper and ask whatever you want.

https://t.me/Envion

Summing up some FAQ:

- ROI is always based on the initial 1$ per Token. No matter how far the tokens dropping when hitting exchanges (they won't) you will receive the same ROI
- Tokens considered to be the first real security. BaFin and SEC compliant.
- Neither Tokens will give you shares of the company nor you possess parts of the hardware.
- The tokens will give the right to get profits from the mining. Based on how much tokens you are holding envion will pay you dividends (profit of the mining)
- These dividends will be paid in ETH. So you basically give Envion your ETH public wallet address and ENVION will pay dividends automatically through a smart contract


how offten they will payout?
full member
Activity: 364
Merit: 101
I have a couple questions about the third party MMU's. Is there a limit to how many you will sell and are third parties prepaying for these units or are ICO funds being used to build them?

Thank you

There is no limit. No ICO funds are being used for third party organizations. All ICO funds are only for MMUs build for token holders and coming first. AFTER that the third parties being served.
newbie
Activity: 56
Merit: 0
Guys pay attention where you put your money.

I don't think they are a scam, but for me lacks substance on the project.

For now, it's just a concept from a team of designing and marketing guys...

I don't want to be rude, but this project looks like a college project.

Where is the business plan, where is the forecast?

This thermal simulation is a joke, the only place that this simulation suit is in Iceland  Grin

I can do better using Autodesk Inventor in half day than the pictures that I saw on the website

Envion team, less marketing and more engineers on this project.

Bring to us the real numbers, for now, we just have frenzy!

Thanks
Vinicius Miguel

There is more than enough information on the whitepaper and Medium to create quite a detailed forecast. Seems like you haven't done enough homework on this one. Unless of course you expect other people to do the forecast for you so you don't have to?
newbie
Activity: 6
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I have a couple questions about the third party MMU's. Is there a limit to how many you will sell and are third parties prepaying for these units or are ICO funds being used to build them?

Thank you
jr. member
Activity: 61
Merit: 1
Just found out about you today, really like the idea.  Me and my brother were thinking about starting up a solar farm, then just a few week ago I thought about what I good idea it would be to run a mining rig off it.

Right, this is a very amazing poject.
member
Activity: 140
Merit: 12
Highest ROI crypto infrastructure
To add another information: They expect to have as much as 200 MMUs/month in production line. This is impressive and has to be adequately planned months before with supplier in order to realize this. And so they did!
This is just an impressive number
member
Activity: 140
Merit: 12
Highest ROI crypto infrastructure
Guys pay attention where you put your money.

I don't think they are a scam, but for me lacks substance on the project.

For now, it's just a concept from a team of designing and marketing guys...

I don't want to be rude, but this project looks like a college project.

Where is the business plan, where is the forecast?

This thermal simulation is a joke, the only place that this simulation suit is in Iceland  Grin

I can do better using Autodesk Inventor in half day than the pictures that I saw on the website

Envion team, less marketing and more engineers on this project.

Bring to us the real numbers, for now, we just have frenzy!

Thanks
Vinicius Miguel


Actually your assessment lacks of substance. You are just accusing or stating without providing any adequate reason.
Starting with: "more engineers" - For what?
If you would have done your homework you would know that they established a concept, which ensures MMUs are build with industry standards, ensuring almost no maintainance efforts, so you don't need an expert to change a rack or rig.
Using standards means also low production cost. Addtionally because of the huge amount of MMUs they save even more costs and manufactures and suppliers will deliver ready to use components.
Envion doesn't want to be a manufacturer. Envion wants to be the green energy, eco friendly, mobile mining company, which even supports decentralization of crypto mining.

But again..enlighten us! You seem to be an expert. I might consider investing into you rather than into envion, right?
newbie
Activity: 3
Merit: 0
Guys pay attention where you put your money.

I don't think they are a scam, but for me lacks substance on the project.

For now, it's just a concept from a team of designing and marketing guys...

I don't want to be rude, but this project looks like a college project.

Where is the business plan, where is the forecast?

This thermal simulation is a joke, the only place that this simulation suit is in Iceland  Grin

I can do better using Autodesk Inventor in half day than the pictures that I saw on the website

Envion team, less marketing and more engineers on this project.

Bring to us the real numbers, for now, we just have frenzy!

Thanks
Vinicius Miguel

Good for you. Then it's just for you to sit this one out. BTW I'd love to see your work after half a day on Autodesk Inventor!
newbie
Activity: 1
Merit: 0
Guys pay attention where you put your money.

I don't think they are a scam, but for me lacks substance on the project.

For now, it's just a concept from a team of designing and marketing guys...

I don't want to be rude, but this project looks like a college project.

Where is the business plan, where is the forecast?

This thermal simulation is a joke, the only place that this simulation suit is in Iceland  Grin

I can do better using Autodesk Inventor in half day than the pictures that I saw on the website

Envion team, less marketing and more engineers on this project.

Bring to us the real numbers, for now, we just have frenzy!

Thanks
Vinicius Miguel
member
Activity: 104
Merit: 10
In Telegram channel today it was shown that ENVION has a confirmed receipt of application for patent on its cooling technology.  One week to ICO open, and every little detail of information helps!!
member
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Merit: 10
Is there anywhere an information when at 15th December the Per-Sale does start ?
Just to be on time  Cool

Presale starts 12 pm GMT on 15 Dec.
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