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Quote from: kurniawan05 on November 03, 2018, 06:49:46 PM

Quote from: akdperry on November 03, 2018, 11:18:41 AM

I attempted with multiple emails to get ahold of ENVION. they had responded in the past, now no responses in last 4 months to multiple emails. corrupt, but a good early lesson for ICO's. unfortunately many will have trust issues now with an ICO

Envion was originally a big project with fund raised of ico more than $ 100 million, but unfortunately it seems that this project must end up here.

It's hard to predict a project like Envion, I used to consider Envion to have a bright future and it would be a big success but in reality Envion ended up like this and of course it was very unfortunate for everyone

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yea, you basically invested into lawyers, so the envion staff can sue each other. from outside business stopped completely. Still there are several mining units - guess what those are doing right now .. this was planned, the same way it was planned with affinity mining.

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it is a time ago since i visited this thread , i invested a little and forgot about it , now i am almost sure that this was one of my worst investments

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Quote from: akdperry on November 03, 2018, 11:18:41 AM

I attempted with multiple emails to get ahold of ENVION. they had responded in the past, now no responses in last 4 months to multiple emails. corrupt, but a good early lesson for ICO's. unfortunately many will have trust issues now with an ICO

Who exactly were you contacting? "Envion" is more or less divided as their CEO and founders clashed and sued each others. I think both parties are responding trough their lawyers now.

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Quote from: akdperry on November 03, 2018, 11:18:41 AM

I attempted with multiple emails to get ahold of ENVION. they had responded in the past, now no responses in last 4 months to multiple emails. corrupt, but a good early lesson for ICO's. unfortunately many will have trust issues now with an ICO

Envion was originally a big project with fund raised of ico more than $ 100 million, but unfortunately it seems that this project must end up here.

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I attempted with multiple emails to get ahold of ENVION. they had responded in the past, now no responses in last 4 months to multiple emails. corrupt, but a good early lesson for ICO's. unfortunately many will have trust issues now with an ICO

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Quote from: lunnatic on November 01, 2018, 10:16:24 AM

Quote from: naska21 on November 01, 2018, 09:40:03 AM

Quote from: mcfom on November 01, 2018, 05:54:07 AM

I would like to be proven wrong in future but based on my observation there is no chance of recovery as business after what has been here. Both parties hurt their investors badly and anyone would mind will not let his money in their hands or would want to trust again if they receive money back. Under same team and same banner they have done with the future of this already. Mining is profitable but mining farm as business has lot of question marks on it.

Frankly I'm already on point to bid farewell to my Envion investments. My painful experience with Envion has taught me that reckless investment comes at a price.

because it has become a risk and you have to accept it, Envion does seem to look good at the beginning, achieving their ico funds up to 100 million USD, big funds for an ICO, you have to be patient

100 million is very big amount and huge success for an ICO and its team
because envion raised that much big amount in ICO that's why i am still looking at envion and holding some shares of it
maybe some day good news will be out from envion team and they start work on the project again

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Quote from: naska21 on November 01, 2018, 09:40:03 AM

Quote from: mcfom on November 01, 2018, 05:54:07 AM

I would like to be proven wrong in future but based on my observation there is no chance of recovery as business after what has been here. Both parties hurt their investors badly and anyone would mind will not let his money in their hands or would want to trust again if they receive money back. Under same team and same banner they have done with the future of this already. Mining is profitable but mining farm as business has lot of question marks on it.

Frankly I'm already on point to bid farewell to my Envion investments. My painful experience with Envion has taught me that reckless investment comes at a price.

because it has become a risk and you have to accept it, Envion does seem to look good at the beginning, achieving their ico funds up to 100 million USD, big funds for an ICO, you have to be patient

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Quote from: mcfom on November 01, 2018, 05:54:07 AM

I would like to be proven wrong in future but based on my observation there is no chance of recovery as business after what has been here. Both parties hurt their investors badly and anyone would mind will not let his money in their hands or would want to trust again if they receive money back. Under same team and same banner they have done with the future of this already. Mining is profitable but mining farm as business has lot of question marks on it.

Frankly I'm already on point to bid farewell to my Envion investments. My painful experience with Envion has taught me that reckless investment comes at a price.

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I would like to be proven wrong in future but based on my observation there is no chance of recovery as business after what has been here. Both parties hurt their investors badly and anyone would mind will not let his money in their hands or would want to trust again if they receive money back. Under same team and same banner they have done with the future of this already. Mining is profitable but mining farm as business has lot of question marks on it.

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Quote from: zahidmoon on October 31, 2018, 02:08:21 PM

so in this situation mining is not profitable by my point of view.

They got free hardware (inverstors paid), they have extremely cheap electricity. Mining IS profitable for them, and I am pretty sure they do it anyway, there are lots of units ready (as they said) - don't think they will just stand around and collect dust ..

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Quote from: nobytes on October 31, 2018, 02:25:52 PM

Quote from: Zabivelli on October 29, 2018, 08:15:36 AM

Quote from: XCNP on October 29, 2018, 06:24:13 AM

There are running to save themselves from legal issues and are coming out with different solutions. This last post from telegram which is translated here to me doesn't impress at all. It was fight between two parties and still is their issue. Bitter reality is investors have lost their money and accept the facts and move on as nothing will good for investors here.

I still believe as soon as the project is in founders hands, that it will go on. Otherwise they would not get all the shit over them, day in and day out, on Telegram.

Soon as it is in founders hands? Quite an optimistic view. But i share that because imho all other options would be poor choices. But it's all in Finma's hands and who knows what they think is for the best.

it's useless to hope for a dead project, and I'm confused why today's Envion price has risen to 9%, is there hope?

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Quote from: nobytes on October 31, 2018, 02:25:52 PM

Quote from: Zabivelli on October 29, 2018, 08:15:36 AM

Quote from: XCNP on October 29, 2018, 06:24:13 AM

There are running to save themselves from legal issues and are coming out with different solutions. This last post from telegram which is translated here to me doesn't impress at all. It was fight between two parties and still is their issue. Bitter reality is investors have lost their money and accept the facts and move on as nothing will good for investors here.

I still believe as soon as the project is in founders hands, that it will go on. Otherwise they would not get all the shit over them, day in and day out, on Telegram.

Soon as it is in founders hands? Quite an optimistic view. But i share that because imho all other options would be poor choices. But it's all in Finma's hands and who knows what they think is for the best.

In founders hands indeed. That would be the best option for us all. In case of liquidation we won't get our full investment anyway.

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Quote from: zahidmoon on October 31, 2018, 02:08:21 PM

Quote from: Zabivelli on October 29, 2018, 08:15:36 AM

Quote from: XCNP on October 29, 2018, 06:24:13 AM

There are running to save themselves from legal issues and are coming out with different solutions. This last post from telegram which is translated here to me doesn't impress at all. It was fight between two parties and still is their issue. Bitter reality is investors have lost their money and accept the facts and move on as nothing will good for investors here.

I still believe as soon as the project is in founders hands, that it will go on. Otherwise they would not get all the shit over them, day in and day out, on Telegram.

well i think they can run the project still but need to resolves some serious issues.
also right now look at the prices of crypto. prices are too much down
so in this situation mining is not profitable by my point of view.
if we have faith in crypto then mine and hold mining rewards in our wallets. why we spend money on mining its better directly buy them cheap from exchange instead of mining

The price is something the companies can't control. Even if the project was going on, they would still mine.

Everything from mining would be a profit anyway.

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Quote from: Zabivelli on October 29, 2018, 08:15:36 AM

Quote from: XCNP on October 29, 2018, 06:24:13 AM

There are running to save themselves from legal issues and are coming out with different solutions. This last post from telegram which is translated here to me doesn't impress at all. It was fight between two parties and still is their issue. Bitter reality is investors have lost their money and accept the facts and move on as nothing will good for investors here.

I still believe as soon as the project is in founders hands, that it will go on. Otherwise they would not get all the shit over them, day in and day out, on Telegram.

Soon as it is in founders hands? Quite an optimistic view. But i share that because imho all other options would be poor choices. But it's all in Finma's hands and who knows what they think is for the best.

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Quote from: Zabivelli on October 29, 2018, 08:15:36 AM

Quote from: XCNP on October 29, 2018, 06:24:13 AM

There are running to save themselves from legal issues and are coming out with different solutions. This last post from telegram which is translated here to me doesn't impress at all. It was fight between two parties and still is their issue. Bitter reality is investors have lost their money and accept the facts and move on as nothing will good for investors here.

I still believe as soon as the project is in founders hands, that it will go on. Otherwise they would not get all the shit over them, day in and day out, on Telegram.

well i think they can run the project still but need to resolves some serious issues.
also right now look at the prices of crypto. prices are too much down
so in this situation mining is not profitable by my point of view.
if we have faith in crypto then mine and hold mining rewards in our wallets. why we spend money on mining its better directly buy them cheap from exchange instead of mining

Zabivelli

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Quote from: XCNP on October 29, 2018, 06:24:13 AM

There are running to save themselves from legal issues and are coming out with different solutions. This last post from telegram which is translated here to me doesn't impress at all. It was fight between two parties and still is their issue. Bitter reality is investors have lost their money and accept the facts and move on as nothing will good for investors here.

I still believe as soon as the project is in founders hands, that it will go on. Otherwise they would not get all the shit over them, day in and day out, on Telegram.

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everyone investing in envion would've been better of buying a mining rig instead back in last november - the rig would've been paid off and would still generate money for you (like our testrig is doing right now it was built last november and already paid itself) - highly automated software makes it a true passive income.

Guys - you really need to think about it - why would something like envion share the profits with you? They already had one container ready, they could've scaled up on their own with the earnings - why would they need your money? They weren't able to built the units in time anyway, so there was absolutely no reason to get investors money, when their operation would've been perfectly selfsustaining.

It was the same with Affinity-Mining - they just took your money, bought the hardware, tells you it fails and will slowly pay back (they basically got a free credit from investors and are now mining with them, while slowly paying back the "credit")

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There are running to save themselves from legal issues and are coming out with different solutions. This last post from telegram which is translated here to me doesn't impress at all. It was fight between two parties and still is their issue. Bitter reality is investors have lost their money and accept the facts and move on as nothing will good for investors here.

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Question to Laurent if the project will still go on after a positive FINMA decision and of the team is still around:

Laurent:

The founders have not gone anywhere. There's no need for outrage. I'm not active for envion. I work for the founders' entity, Trado. The founders intend to pursue the concept according to the whitepaper when ownership is restored to them. It is not possible to do work for operations. Michael is engaged with legal work. The others support that effort, but are mostly engaged elswhere.

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