[ANN][ICO] «Envion» Most Profitable Self-Expanding Crypto Infrastructure - page 18.

Roidz92

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Quote from: clixcoin on November 15, 2018, 03:12:28 AM

Quote from: Roidz92 on November 15, 2018, 03:05:09 AM

After some months that i dont read this thread, is there anyone that can make 1 phrase with what happened and if we ever get back our money? just 10-15 words, not much effort to just let us understand.

That is very complicated procedure to get our money back the investigation is still going on and nobody knows when it will get completed. We can keep hope one day we will get back our money this project but there is no time frame when it will happen.

Thank you for the answer. Hopefully we will hear something also with emails or contacts, because many of us can't follow this thread day by day, so hopefully, also within some years, there will be a partial refund automatic...

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Quote from: Untomabur on November 19, 2018, 10:50:36 AM

Quote from: Malamadre on November 19, 2018, 03:39:08 AM

Quote from: dr.cheema on November 15, 2018, 08:56:03 AM

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Laurent

I cannot make a statement about the near future because I don't know FInma's timeline. It could be the near future when they finish their investigation and it might not be.

The founders are committed to advancing the concept. There was never any plan to just use one design forever. Improved designs and customized minining units for special installations were already in development before we had to shut things down because Woestmann paralyzed the project.

The same plan for continued progress and mining development will be implemented if/when ownership is restored to the founders.

Founders still want to run this project! I think investigation will be finish after long time, next year.
Yeah CEO blast the project and he should be in jail Grin

But we are appreciated the work of founders, hope Hardwork will survive the project in near future.

Anyway, if this project will be run in future, I think it will have bad reputation. Envion team will have to work very hard for changing community assessment.

It is very difficult of course to change all that has happened because this project already has a bad reputation but if the team works hard maybe the project will be trusted again

for the gaining the trust of the community again envion team have to work hard on the project and bring something new in the project that attract community and new investors in the project. but first i need to know about the final decision of the team. did they win the case from the court ?
if yes then what happened with 100 million investments of people.

Untomabur

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Quote from: Malamadre on November 19, 2018, 03:39:08 AM

Quote from: dr.cheema on November 15, 2018, 08:56:03 AM

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Laurent

I cannot make a statement about the near future because I don't know FInma's timeline. It could be the near future when they finish their investigation and it might not be.

The founders are committed to advancing the concept. There was never any plan to just use one design forever. Improved designs and customized minining units for special installations were already in development before we had to shut things down because Woestmann paralyzed the project.

The same plan for continued progress and mining development will be implemented if/when ownership is restored to the founders.

Founders still want to run this project! I think investigation will be finish after long time, next year.
Yeah CEO blast the project and he should be in jail Grin

But we are appreciated the work of founders, hope Hardwork will survive the project in near future.

Anyway, if this project will be run in future, I think it will have bad reputation. Envion team will have to work very hard for changing community assessment.

It is very difficult of course to change all that has happened because this project already has a bad reputation but if the team works hard maybe the project will be trusted again

Hijom

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Pretty nice idea actually

XCNP

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Taking money back is not easy process as many of us think. I also have seen the form provided by the project which was used as reference. You have to provided information of everything in details like transactions, transfers and what what did since you purchased. It is very complicated process that's why I have less hopes of refunding for everyone.

dr.cheema

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Quote from: irsada on November 19, 2018, 05:59:57 AM

Quote from: pumz on November 19, 2018, 04:27:00 AM

Securities and exchange Commission has set good example which will set game rules for rest of the ICO's. That should be applied here as well without need of prolonging the case and may be court will seek help from the recent decision. Investors should not only be refunded but also compensated for the losses and being misguided. I expect interesting things ahead even still darkness but light is there.

This rule has just been made lately.
for this scams project if they want to return investors' money it seems that it is not difficult because they certainly have the data.
which became a problem they did not want to return and continue to lie with what actually happened.

Envion still investigated by FINMA but there is no more info about result, i think it will take long time to release the final statement.
Hope so investors will get their money or founders will run the project and hire new CEO and Fraud CEO will be punish by laws.

irsada

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Quote from: pumz on November 19, 2018, 04:27:00 AM

Securities and exchange Commission has set good example which will set game rules for rest of the ICO's. That should be applied here as well without need of prolonging the case and may be court will seek help from the recent decision. Investors should not only be refunded but also compensated for the losses and being misguided. I expect interesting things ahead even still darkness but light is there.

This rule has just been made lately.
for this scams project if they want to return investors' money it seems that it is not difficult because they certainly have the data.
which became a problem they did not want to return and continue to lie with what actually happened.

pumz

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Securities and exchange Commission has set good example which will set game rules for rest of the ICO's. That should be applied here as well without need of prolonging the case and may be court will seek help from the recent decision. Investors should not only be refunded but also compensated for the losses and being misguided. I expect interesting things ahead even still darkness but light is there.

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Quote from: dr.cheema on November 15, 2018, 08:56:03 AM

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Laurent

I cannot make a statement about the near future because I don't know FInma's timeline. It could be the near future when they finish their investigation and it might not be.

The founders are committed to advancing the concept. There was never any plan to just use one design forever. Improved designs and customized minining units for special installations were already in development before we had to shut things down because Woestmann paralyzed the project.

The same plan for continued progress and mining development will be implemented if/when ownership is restored to the founders.

Founders still want to run this project! I think investigation will be finish after long time, next year.
Yeah CEO blast the project and he should be in jail Grin

But we are appreciated the work of founders, hope Hardwork will survive the project in near future.

Anyway, if this project will be run in future, I think it will have bad reputation. Envion team will have to work very hard for changing community assessment.

Bridgebuilder

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Laurent

I cannot make a statement about the near future because I don't know FInma's timeline. It could be the near future when they finish their investigation and it might not be.

The founders are committed to advancing the concept. There was never any plan to just use one design forever. Improved designs and customized minining units for special installations were already in development before we had to shut things down because Woestmann paralyzed the project.

The same plan for continued progress and mining development will be implemented if/when ownership is restored to the founders.

Laurent has been lying to investors dozens of times, it's well documented and obvious to anyone who is willing to face the sad reality.
He is complicit in this fraud and produced a lot of evidence being used lawsuits in Germany, by investors and prosecutors.
There us 0 reason to believe a notorious liar and spin-doctor.

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the design of the units is not the problem. the outdated hardware is. envions selling point never really were the units themselves (there are several other container rigs around, each with different design goals and I've seen pretty nice designed ones, partly much better than what we saw from envion, but I don't want to judge on just some images) - envions point was aquiring cheap energy and bring the units there, which is basically a good idea. As we manage several farms and use our inhouse software (which basically puts those farms on autopilot), we know, that it mostly comes down to reliable software to keep maintainance interaction low.

I actually wonder more, why they said, they produced units but none of them were productive and noone ever confirmed any payout. AFAIK envion was running for several months with no outcome at all. sounds very strange to me from a business side and is not very convincing. Even if the mining craze of last year would still be going on, they would've never ever met their promised goal of 165% (or whatever it was), they also had some pretty foolish and naiv calculations done, as they calculated it like the units were all instant productive, which wasn't even remotly the case.

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Quote from: mehar_gee on November 14, 2018, 07:12:28 PM

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Laurent

I cannot make a statement about the near future because I don't know FInma's timeline. It could be the near future when they finish their investigation and it might not be.

The founders are committed to advancing the concept. There was never any plan to just use one design forever. Improved designs and customized minining units for special installations were already in development before we had to shut things down because Woestmann paralyzed the project.

The same plan for continued progress and mining development will be implemented if/when ownership is restored to the founders.

anything could be happen in future but yes for now its totally unpredictable that this project will go on or stay dead
right now the mining is totally changed due to the low prices of crypto
let's what envion team will do for future plans and developments if they make minds to do work on this project
100 million $ is alot of money the team raised in ICO. team should start work after the court final decision and make this project successful

It doesn't matter that mining changed, as you can read what Laurent said, they have multiple designs and different options to choose from, if the project goes on.

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Quote from: clixcoin on November 15, 2018, 03:12:28 AM

Quote from: Roidz92 on November 15, 2018, 03:05:09 AM

After some months that i dont read this thread, is there anyone that can make 1 phrase with what happened and if we ever get back our money? just 10-15 words, not much effort to just let us understand.

That is very complicated procedure to get our money back the investigation is still going on and nobody knows when it will get completed. We can keep hope one day we will get back our money this project but there is no time frame when it will happen.

the investigation will not be completed !, and there is no hope for your money back, we just give it up,
because the risk must be there when you start a business!

dr.cheema

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Laurent

I cannot make a statement about the near future because I don't know FInma's timeline. It could be the near future when they finish their investigation and it might not be.

The founders are committed to advancing the concept. There was never any plan to just use one design forever. Improved designs and customized minining units for special installations were already in development before we had to shut things down because Woestmann paralyzed the project.

The same plan for continued progress and mining development will be implemented if/when ownership is restored to the founders.

Founders still want to run this project! I think investigation will be finish after long time, next year.
Yeah CEO blast the project and he should be in jail Grin

But we are appreciated the work of founders, hope Hardwork will survive the project in near future.

clixcoin

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Quote from: Roidz92 on November 15, 2018, 03:05:09 AM

After some months that i dont read this thread, is there anyone that can make 1 phrase with what happened and if we ever get back our money? just 10-15 words, not much effort to just let us understand.

That is very complicated procedure to get our money back the investigation is still going on and nobody knows when it will get completed. We can keep hope one day we will get back our money this project but there is no time frame when it will happen.

Roidz92

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After some months that i dont read this thread, is there anyone that can make 1 phrase with what happened and if we ever get back our money? just 10-15 words, not much effort to just let us understand.

mehar_gee

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Laurent

I cannot make a statement about the near future because I don't know FInma's timeline. It could be the near future when they finish their investigation and it might not be.

The founders are committed to advancing the concept. There was never any plan to just use one design forever. Improved designs and customized minining units for special installations were already in development before we had to shut things down because Woestmann paralyzed the project.

The same plan for continued progress and mining development will be implemented if/when ownership is restored to the founders.

anything could be happen in future but yes for now its totally unpredictable that this project will go on or stay dead
right now the mining is totally changed due to the low prices of crypto
let's what envion team will do for future plans and developments if they make minds to do work on this project
100 million $ is alot of money the team raised in ICO. team should start work after the court final decision and make this project successful

Zabivelli

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Quote from: majestymage on November 08, 2018, 05:59:42 PM

Quote from: Zabivelli on November 08, 2018, 05:41:17 PM

Quote from: o48o on November 08, 2018, 06:16:16 AM

I wonder how much different situation this would be if the investors had bought the shares of the company instead.

I'm actually interested in a project that offers it's shares for crypto. Like every coin representing a share into the company. Didn't see a project like that so far!

well there are some...the most clean one is the exchange nex. there is still polymath and ravencoin that are getting close but not what they should be. polymath is a securities issuing platform but their token is a utility. damn stupids.

I don't think any of them offer real shares in company.

Zabivelli

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Quote from: akdperry on November 08, 2018, 11:35:45 PM

Quote from: Zabivelli on November 07, 2018, 04:44:23 PM

Quote from: Untomabur on November 01, 2018, 04:50:19 AM

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Quote from: XCNP on October 29, 2018, 06:24:13 AM

There are running to save themselves from legal issues and are coming out with different solutions. This last post from telegram which is translated here to me doesn't impress at all. It was fight between two parties and still is their issue. Bitter reality is investors have lost their money and accept the facts and move on as nothing will good for investors here.

I still believe as soon as the project is in founders hands, that it will go on. Otherwise they would not get all the shit over them, day in and day out, on Telegram.

Soon as it is in founders hands? Quite an optimistic view. But i share that because imho all other options would be poor choices. But it's all in Finma's hands and who knows what they think is for the best.

it's useless to hope for a dead project, and I'm confused why today's Envion price has risen to 9%, is there hope?

Just send all your EVN tokens to your private wallet and forget about it for a year. We should hear something in a year time.

that's been the plan. at this point even with a decent chunk they're damn near worthless. I like the idea seemed legit and obviously so many of us fell for it considering they hit 100m ICO. If they get their shit together perhaps I'll see a return in a few years

Laurent:

I cannot make a statement about the near future because I don't know FInma's timeline. It could be the near future when they finish their investigation and it might not be.

The founders are committed to advancing the concept. There was never any plan to just use one design forever. Improved designs and customized minining units for special installations were already in development before we had to shut things down because Woestmann paralyzed the project.

The same plan for continued progress and mining development will be implemented if/when ownership is restored to the founders.

miningguru

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Quote from: Dextroboy on November 08, 2018, 06:24:44 AM

Quote from: o48o on November 08, 2018, 06:16:16 AM

I wonder how much different situation this would be if the investors had bought the shares of the company instead.

it has been very gloomy and cannot be expected for Envion, envion was indeed very good, with projects that carry healthy mining, Envion was able to gain more than 100 million USD, it is unfortunate indeed, Envion ended like this!

People have kept a lot of expectation on this project because they gain huge trust in the market by showing their potential attitude but at last, they ended like this. Which people have kept lot of expectation about the Envion coin that's why they invested hugely into this coin because of dividends.

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