Topic: [ANN][ICO] Ziber — Первый мобильный блокчейн оператор! - page 13. (Read 22085 times)
А я когда пробую позвонить постоянно выдаёт ошибку либо "сервис не доступен" либо "не найден", может это из-за того что я нахожусь в Крыму...
Привет, Русские Друзья!
Я хочу дать вам информацию для размышлений.
Мы столкнулись с нападением троллей.
Я хочу дать вам информацию для размышлений.
Мы столкнулись с нападением троллей.
Ребят, а в чём собственно проблема?
Покажите имена своих разработчиков, потому что - они ваш основной актив, а не Co-Founder, CEO и CTO.
Покажите исходный код под мобильные платформы до ICO, а не после.
Если у Вас всё нормально, то зачем эти неловкие попытки оправдаться и дискредитировать тех, кто выступает против Вас?
https://www.microsip.org/
И что это доказывает?
Снимите Privacy Protect и докажите реальное владение этим доменом.
Пока это выглядит так, что вы заплатили владельцам за надпись
Code:
We are developers of the Ziber. Revolutionary project based on blockchain technology. Ziber taking a huge part of the market, owned by Skype and Viber today.
В июне её не было, а в июле она чудесным образом появилась.
Не вижу никаких "неловких оправданий", лишь желание разработчика поставить в известность заинтересованное лояльное сообщество, что конкретно происходит.
Вижу также банальный FUD, точно такой же был с Patientory: за сутки-двое на реддите появился здоровенный "пост-разоблачение".
Вижу также банальный FUD, точно такой же был с Patientory: за сутки-двое на реддите появился здоровенный "пост-разоблачение".
Привет, Русские Друзья!
Я хочу дать вам информацию для размышлений.
Мы столкнулись с нападением троллей.
Я хочу дать вам информацию для размышлений.
Мы столкнулись с нападением троллей.
Ребят, а в чём собственно проблема?
Покажите имена своих разработчиков, потому что - они ваш основной актив, а не Co-Founder, CEO и CTO.
Покажите исходный код под мобильные платформы до ICO, а не после.
Если у Вас всё нормально, то зачем эти неловкие попытки оправдаться и дискредитировать тех, кто выступает против Вас?
https://www.microsip.org/
Привет, Русские Друзья!
Я хочу дать вам информацию для размышлений.
Мы столкнулись с нападением троллей.
Я хочу дать вам информацию для размышлений.
Мы столкнулись с нападением троллей.
Ребят, а в чём собственно проблема?
Покажите имена своих разработчиков, потому что - они ваш основной актив, а не Co-Founder, CEO и CTO.
Покажите исходный код под мобильные платформы до ICO, а не после.
Если у Вас всё нормально, то зачем эти неловкие попытки оправдаться и дискредитировать тех, кто выступает против Вас?
Организаторы проекта начинают оправдываться, что они не скам. Жалкое зрелище. Но нужно обратить внимание, что западным сообществом данный проект не то что не поддерживается, а именно критикуется.
Привет, Русские Друзья!
Я хочу дать вам информацию для размышлений.
Мы столкнулись с нападением троллей.
Greetings everyone!
Here are many detective stories' fans and soap opera lovers. I want to tell you one detective soap opera story too...
From the very beginning our project Ziber refused from using Bounty as a way to draw more attention to the project. We decided that it will be better to create a really working product in advance and let all the rest speak for us. We have visited 2 conferences in London - CryptoFinancing 2017 and Fintechweek on July 13. At these events we were greeted with a warm welcome and understanding.
At the same time we started to send emails to various news websites and projects doing ICO listings, in order to tell people about us. Also we tried to contact tokenmarket.net many times, but we didn't get any response at all. (Please pay attention to this point)
Everything was going well until a massive harassment campaign began, targeting us. It started from this post:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.20304037
"Hi
Just to clarify: the cofounder and CEO of TokenMarket is Ransu Salovaara
Thank you"
And simultaneously with it there was made a screenshot of this message and an unknown person published it in the Telegram chat icocountdown, with the comment "Ziber Scam". After that just a little time has passed before several people started to attack us on the forum by writing negative reviews, they willing to tear me to pieces for a single inaccurate word.
I gave them a link to our presentation - they say it is fake. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDIhEiqCqyQ
I gave them a link to our programmers (known since 2014) - they say it is also fake. https://www.microsip.org/
I gave them a link to our github profile where we have published the source code recently (note that the code was under development in private since 2016!) - and they were not
even able to compile the fully working code! And they say again that it is fake! https://github.com/ZiberLTD
So, what is the "cause" of claims?
Our website introduces several Ziber Team members:
Michael Cordy, as a Co-Founder and CEO Tokenmarket
Mark Braun, as a Founder and CEO
Michael Kaufman, as a Co-Founder and CTO
Jason White, as a Co-Founder Operations and Business.
Michael Cordy has came up with the "CEO Tokenmarket" title by himself, it was meant as a "CEO of Token marketing" and has nothing to do with the tokenmarket.net.
However it became a reason for accusing us of fraud, stating that we have intentionally used the "Tokenmarket.net" name. (Kinda dodgy enterprise I'd say, will tell why below)
If Tokenmarket.net did not like this ambiguous title they could just send us the email and we would fix this misunderstanding immediately. Instead of it they started a targeted harassment campaign with the help of professional trolls, haters, hacked and newly registered accounts.
However I could not claim that all the haters that were against us are fake - it is very likely that normal users could succumb to the influence of such a manipulator as Tokenmarket.net.
Let's dig deeper - why would Tokenmarket.net attack us? What is the root cause?
And the reason is: https://www.dentcoin.com – the idea is similar to Ziber, but they sell p2p traffic instead of voice calls.
The start of their fundraising program accidentally coincided with the Ziber project launch. And they gathered only 21k ETH from the planned 180k. Many people seem to decide to wait and invest their money into a really working product with the real people behind it!
So I think that we have ruined their ICO. Because we have presented more versatile product which is already implemented and can be used right away, while they will have to spend time to implement their product. This caused the hatred and the desire of revenge. To drive us out from the market and destroy us. And they chose very dirty ways to do it.
What is the Tokenmarket.net?
LATO: Liquidity Asset Token https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.20051508
Exchange Union Coin: Bridging Digital Currency Exchanges Globally https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.20204617
Topic: ANN [RCC] Reality Clash - First ARG Mobile Game with ERC-20 Armory https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2036661.20
And lots of others. Most of these projects don't have a working product! And their teams have never appeared anywhere in the public! It is most likely that Tokenmarket.net
creates all these projects itself, as even the CMS of many projects' websites is the same.
The only goal of these projects is to raise as much funds as possible!
Undoubtedly they take well-known projects and mask own nefarious purposes under them.
That's why they got so mad at us. Because we, the young team previously unknown to anyone here, suddenly appeared and ruined their ICO of Dentcoin. And we ruined it not by a heinous lies and intrigues but by presenting the quality product!
Who these trolls/manipulators are?
The major representative of the haters crowd is misterbones. Let's take a closer look at his messages:
---
rise
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.18330471
Price at the moment of misterbones' evaluation: 0,004647 $
Price now: 0,077573 $
-----
Humaniq
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.18552426
Price at the moment of misterbones' evaluation:0,071905 $
Price now:0,163951 $
-------------
Cryptoforecast
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.18596414
Price at the moment of misterbones' evaluation:0,020473 $
Price now:0,17814$
-------------
His predictions come exactly the opposite - projects described as scam by misterbones in fact raise tenfold.
====
Gleb Gamov
1. Gleb stole the identity of a deceased person, Bruno, and posts everywhere the photo with a paper. Later the information appears that he was arrested for driving without a
license, also he has confirmed that he was convicted of rape of 14 years old girl.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10987160
2. Gleb has third account. This Gamov has scammed someone, and later got scammed himself as far as I understand.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/gleb-gamow-bruno-kucinskas-is-a-scammer-a-thief-a-liar-and-an-extortionist-1012713
3. a few more of his cases + his message about the racketeering by Bruno.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/gleb-gamow-bruno-kucinskas-is-a-scammer-a-thief-a-liar-and-an-extortionist-1012713
4. again about the racketeering, and advices on how to counter this Gamov, i.e. act like he does, collect any information possible, make screenshots, etc.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/gleb-gamow-bruno-kucinskas-is-a-scammer-a-thief-a-liar-and-an-extortionist-1012713
5. Leroy accused of scamming here. Someone paid to him and Gamov wrote that he is a scammer. Before that there were no single negative comment about Leroy - the claims were completely made up.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/gleb-gamow-bruno-kucinskas-is-a-scammer-a-thief-a-liar-and-an-extortionist-1012713
6. about another Bruno's account. This man wrote that he is a paid troll, fouls up any project.
https://bitcoinscamphinnaeusgage.blogspot.de/2014/08/phinnaeus-gage-story-of-internet-troll.html
=========================
I just wanted to tell: think for yourself, don't make a decision under anyone's manipulations. Check everything up by yourself!
We are being attacked here, but I'm sure that we have created a great product and soon it will become as famous as Skype. Just let us some time!
Я хочу дать вам информацию для размышлений.
Мы столкнулись с нападением троллей.
Greetings everyone!
Here are many detective stories' fans and soap opera lovers. I want to tell you one detective soap opera story too...
From the very beginning our project Ziber refused from using Bounty as a way to draw more attention to the project. We decided that it will be better to create a really working product in advance and let all the rest speak for us. We have visited 2 conferences in London - CryptoFinancing 2017 and Fintechweek on July 13. At these events we were greeted with a warm welcome and understanding.
At the same time we started to send emails to various news websites and projects doing ICO listings, in order to tell people about us. Also we tried to contact tokenmarket.net many times, but we didn't get any response at all. (Please pay attention to this point)
Everything was going well until a massive harassment campaign began, targeting us. It started from this post:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.20304037
"Hi
Just to clarify: the cofounder and CEO of TokenMarket is Ransu Salovaara
Thank you"
And simultaneously with it there was made a screenshot of this message and an unknown person published it in the Telegram chat icocountdown, with the comment "Ziber Scam". After that just a little time has passed before several people started to attack us on the forum by writing negative reviews, they willing to tear me to pieces for a single inaccurate word.
I gave them a link to our presentation - they say it is fake. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDIhEiqCqyQ
I gave them a link to our programmers (known since 2014) - they say it is also fake. https://www.microsip.org/
I gave them a link to our github profile where we have published the source code recently (note that the code was under development in private since 2016!) - and they were not
even able to compile the fully working code! And they say again that it is fake! https://github.com/ZiberLTD
So, what is the "cause" of claims?
Our website introduces several Ziber Team members:
Michael Cordy, as a Co-Founder and CEO Tokenmarket
Mark Braun, as a Founder and CEO
Michael Kaufman, as a Co-Founder and CTO
Jason White, as a Co-Founder Operations and Business.
Michael Cordy has came up with the "CEO Tokenmarket" title by himself, it was meant as a "CEO of Token marketing" and has nothing to do with the tokenmarket.net.
However it became a reason for accusing us of fraud, stating that we have intentionally used the "Tokenmarket.net" name. (Kinda dodgy enterprise I'd say, will tell why below)
If Tokenmarket.net did not like this ambiguous title they could just send us the email and we would fix this misunderstanding immediately. Instead of it they started a targeted harassment campaign with the help of professional trolls, haters, hacked and newly registered accounts.
However I could not claim that all the haters that were against us are fake - it is very likely that normal users could succumb to the influence of such a manipulator as Tokenmarket.net.
Let's dig deeper - why would Tokenmarket.net attack us? What is the root cause?
And the reason is: https://www.dentcoin.com – the idea is similar to Ziber, but they sell p2p traffic instead of voice calls.
The start of their fundraising program accidentally coincided with the Ziber project launch. And they gathered only 21k ETH from the planned 180k. Many people seem to decide to wait and invest their money into a really working product with the real people behind it!
So I think that we have ruined their ICO. Because we have presented more versatile product which is already implemented and can be used right away, while they will have to spend time to implement their product. This caused the hatred and the desire of revenge. To drive us out from the market and destroy us. And they chose very dirty ways to do it.
What is the Tokenmarket.net?
LATO: Liquidity Asset Token https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.20051508
Exchange Union Coin: Bridging Digital Currency Exchanges Globally https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.20204617
Topic: ANN [RCC] Reality Clash - First ARG Mobile Game with ERC-20 Armory https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2036661.20
And lots of others. Most of these projects don't have a working product! And their teams have never appeared anywhere in the public! It is most likely that Tokenmarket.net
creates all these projects itself, as even the CMS of many projects' websites is the same.
The only goal of these projects is to raise as much funds as possible!
Undoubtedly they take well-known projects and mask own nefarious purposes under them.
That's why they got so mad at us. Because we, the young team previously unknown to anyone here, suddenly appeared and ruined their ICO of Dentcoin. And we ruined it not by a heinous lies and intrigues but by presenting the quality product!
Who these trolls/manipulators are?
The major representative of the haters crowd is misterbones. Let's take a closer look at his messages:
---
rise
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.18330471
Price at the moment of misterbones' evaluation: 0,004647 $
Price now: 0,077573 $
-----
Humaniq
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.18552426
Price at the moment of misterbones' evaluation:0,071905 $
Price now:0,163951 $
-------------
Cryptoforecast
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.18596414
Price at the moment of misterbones' evaluation:0,020473 $
Price now:0,17814$
-------------
His predictions come exactly the opposite - projects described as scam by misterbones in fact raise tenfold.
====
Gleb Gamov
1. Gleb stole the identity of a deceased person, Bruno, and posts everywhere the photo with a paper. Later the information appears that he was arrested for driving without a
license, also he has confirmed that he was convicted of rape of 14 years old girl.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10987160
2. Gleb has third account. This Gamov has scammed someone, and later got scammed himself as far as I understand.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/gleb-gamow-bruno-kucinskas-is-a-scammer-a-thief-a-liar-and-an-extortionist-1012713
3. a few more of his cases + his message about the racketeering by Bruno.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/gleb-gamow-bruno-kucinskas-is-a-scammer-a-thief-a-liar-and-an-extortionist-1012713
4. again about the racketeering, and advices on how to counter this Gamov, i.e. act like he does, collect any information possible, make screenshots, etc.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/gleb-gamow-bruno-kucinskas-is-a-scammer-a-thief-a-liar-and-an-extortionist-1012713
5. Leroy accused of scamming here. Someone paid to him and Gamov wrote that he is a scammer. Before that there were no single negative comment about Leroy - the claims were completely made up.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/gleb-gamow-bruno-kucinskas-is-a-scammer-a-thief-a-liar-and-an-extortionist-1012713
6. about another Bruno's account. This man wrote that he is a paid troll, fouls up any project.
https://bitcoinscamphinnaeusgage.blogspot.de/2014/08/phinnaeus-gage-story-of-internet-troll.html
=========================
I just wanted to tell: think for yourself, don't make a decision under anyone's manipulations. Check everything up by yourself!
We are being attacked here, but I'm sure that we have created a great product and soon it will become as famous as Skype. Just let us some time!
ICO на носу уже. посмотрим чего вы стоите Ziber 
Вроде подтверждений никаких нет... как я понял, просто регаешь свой кошелёк эфириума в скачанном клиенте и всё.
У меня никаких подтверждений не было, ввёл публичный ключ и звонил.
Вроде подтверждений никаких нет... как я понял, просто регаешь свой кошелёк эфириума в скачанном клиенте и всё.
У меня никаких подтверждений не было, ввёл публичный ключ и звонил.Вроде подтверждений никаких нет... как я понял, просто регаешь свой кошелёк эфириума в скачанном клиенте и всё.
У меня никаких подтверждений не было, ввёл публичный ключ и звонил.Да,снимать снимок блокчейна они будут сейчас. Вот как написано в белой бумаге:
The snapshot of the Bitcoin Ethereum blockchain will be made on July 26, 2017 12:00 GMT.
Based on this snapshot a binding will be performed.
Я как назло на биржу все перекинул, забыл.
Та я видел, писал несколько постов назад, что тоже не особо понимаю
( Непорядок с датами какой то . 
Вроде подтверждений никаких нет... как я понял, просто регаешь свой кошелёк эфириума в скачанном клиенте и всё.
У меня никаких подтверждений не было, ввёл публичный ключ и звонил.Да,снимать снимок блокчейна они будут сейчас. Вот как написано в белой бумаге:
The snapshot of the Bitcoin Ethereum blockchain will be made on July 26, 2017 12:00 GMT.
Based on this snapshot a binding will be performed.
Я как назло на биржу все перекинул, забыл.
Вроде подтверждений никаких нет... как я понял, просто регаешь свой кошелёк эфириума в скачанном клиенте и всё.
У меня никаких подтверждений не было, ввёл публичный ключ и звонил.Да,снимать снимок блокчейна они будут сейчас. Вот как написано в белой бумаге:
The snapshot of the Bitcoin Ethereum blockchain will be made on July 26, 2017 12:00 GMT.
Based on this snapshot a binding will be performed.
Я как назло на биржу все перекинул, забыл.
Вроде подтверждений никаких нет... как я понял, просто регаешь свой кошелёк эфириума в скачанном клиенте и всё.
У меня никаких подтверждений не было, ввёл публичный ключ и звонил.Вроде подтверждений никаких нет... как я понял, просто регаешь свой кошелёк эфириума в скачанном клиенте и всё.
У меня никаких подтверждений не было, ввёл публичный ключ и звонил.
Вроде подтверждений никаких нет... как я понял, просто регаешь свой кошелёк эфириума в скачанном клиенте и всё.
Напомните еще раз, как получить токены через снапшот (или скриншот) эфира. И когда он будет, 26 числа вечером? Просто я скачал приложение, попробовал зарегистрироваться, а там написало что рега на бонус доступна с 27 числа будет. Т.е. когда начнется ico? Ну а скриншот будет именно сегодня 26 вечером? И там надо будет подтвердить кошель каким-то сообщением или достаточно будет только зарегиться?
когда можно будет на Макбук поставить 
ЗЫ судя по дорожной карте в первом посте в августе. верно понимаю?
Вместе с клиентами для Android и iOS надо полагать ЗЫ судя по дорожной карте в первом посте в августе. верно понимаю?
когда можно будет на Макбук поставить
ЗЫ судя по дорожной карте в первом посте в августе. верно понимаю?
ЗЫ судя по дорожной карте в первом посте в августе. верно понимаю?
Заинтересовался проектом, буду следить - авось и зайдёт. Вопрос, опять же, в качестве и стабильности связи при увеличении нагрузок, но тут только время рассудит.
Поддерживаю коллег. Буду следить за проектом. Jump to: