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Influence sure but ultimately control belongs to the people who own the coins. because the people who own the coins are the people who own Karma and the network. in any network these are the people who decide by consensus which way the network will go.

people assume that Developers make all the decisions but in reality updating your wallet is completely voluntary so a community can reject any changes simply by not updating their wallets.

of course in the situation of a small coin, exchanges have the most power because that's where most of the coins are so they control most of the coins.

I agree with you that nothing stops these people from getting involved except for their own desire to have control first. to those people I would say... if you want control then buy become the largest stakeholder first then you have control.. if not then your idea of control is just an illusion.

Ahhh thanks p4r4m0un7 -- I almost feel a "group hug" coming on - LOL

Please do not misunderstand my seemingly lack of passion for Karma -- I'm not happy with where it is today but I am VERY excited about what it could be, with some fixes AND a sense of purpose and some semblance of accountability.

I'm totally open to the idea of a "community edition" of a purely transactional coin if that's what you guys want to keep doing.  I just do not think that a "miner & investor" centric value proposition is either compelling nor sustainable.

You're going to get tired of me saying this, but the coinbase must solve a problem that consumers readily acknowledge.

There are only so many VEBLEN GOODS in the world -- things that people value and hold because of the name -- even a Rolex watch offers utility.

-dvd

there is two things your both bringing to the table.

1. Helping out by taking over the services so everything can go back online
2. Plans on how to use Karma in your projects



This is my issue. While we are lacking the speed(as always) to find the proper party to step one. You're both more then welcome to bring your plans on how you would go about your step 2 plans.

I don't see how part one is important for part 2. that is what i am trying to get at.

I am sure the community will be extremely happy to see both of you bring projects to karma. I know i would be. As more the plans are reveiled the more the whole community would back your plans.

If it was my choice i would also ask Kosmost to bring back Lill.com. Only this time i do not expect anyone of us to "own" lill.com as we foolishly thought we did. I would only require some kind of legal proof that Karma would be lill.com's primary coin. Not expecting any pay out from lill.com at all. All i would love to see is a contract that karma coin will be used. That's all. Something that would prove that as we help him we will guaranteed to use karma coin. If he gains any revenue from lill.com it should be all his. No dividends or anything expected. No , %10 will go to support Karma. Well unless he wants to offer it himself.  


That's my point. The more projects get involved the better it is for all of us.

You all do not need to have control of Step 1. But you sure will have a major saying in any future Karma coins. In example : changing Algo. If we want to reconsider changing algo , then if you are part of any of this projects then you will have a huge influence in making that decision as it will affect your project alot.

+1

TheLittleDuke is not a bad guy. I have tried to provoke him several times and he didn`t fall into the trap. Though I am not very happy about his lack of passion about Karma, I think it is very good to have someone like him with a different point of view. But we all know now that no one from now on should ever have total control and total responsibility of the core Karma services and Karma trademark. Maybe even if Kos agree, it will be nice of him to continue to hold the trademark, until final agreement is reached about how to split the holding of the Trademark to several community members. Step by step, all services will be running again, and all bad words will be forgotten, and I hope lessons will be learned. It will just take more time than we think. And no more big promises please.

I like the passion of this group.  That's good capital if you ask me!

Obviously if I wanted to or need to pursue a Reputation system without the current Karmacoin I certainly could and will.

I just think that it would be so much more rewarding if we made a party out of it ;-)

At the moment I have a ton of resources including servers, developers, a non-profit and a compatible Givecoin that I think in spirit supports the original tenets of Karma. 

I didn't get where I am by expecting that everyone will like me -- that's not important -- what is important is whether or not you believe I can execute to a plan.  Generally speaking most people do not like "management" -- but that is something this coinbase desperately needs at the moment.

-dvd

I tired to read your goals. I don't think i understand them well. but do i need to at this moment?

Except for us having to make a hard choice on who is best to run our site that our beloved Kosmost used to run, you really do not need our decision on how you want to use Karma. Karma use is not controlled by any of us. We just want to be able to have control of current services to make sure no one messes with them. Who ever this party is that will run this it will be on the consensus that they are doing to help karma community and they do not own them. If the community feels like they are not being used properly we deserve the right to have them back.

No one needs them to create a project with Karma. I dont know if anyone can stop anyone from creating a karma service. As long as your service is in good intention and not designed to hurt Karma coin image then i believe you will get the community support and thanks

You have both brought up some good points. Excited to see both of these offers.

What we learned from our effort to make something of the LLC is that people took those effort as the only path for karma.

Why can't more then one projects give it a shot. Community should really thing hard about this now and start making some decisions.


i am ecstatic to see you finally get involved. i had a feeling your were up to something Perhan!!

Totally agree!  I'm not anonymous ;-)

http://linkedin.com/in/dvduccini

It's time for Karma to figure out what wants to be.  IMHO that should be in a lazer focused Non-Profit organization as the steward.

Personally I think it could be used for a total Internet Reputation system as envisioned in:

Dear Karma community,

Let us take this opportunity to introduce ourselves and our company:

My name is Perica, I’m a 30 years old IT-lawyer from Zurich, Switzerland, working as a Legal Counsel for a US-software company and running an own company (“Swiss Cryptotech GmbH”) with my business partner and friend André. André has more than 20 years in-depth IT-experience and worked with several top 500 companies. Unlike other community members or self-proclaimed companies, we and our company do not hide behind pseudonyms. The company is listed with the commercial register of Canton Lucerne with our full names, address, a real office and a paid in share capital to the equivalent of 22.000 U$D:

http://lu.powernet.ch/webservices/inet/HRG/HRG.asmx/getHRGHTML?chnr=1004798147&amt=100&toBeModified=0&validOnly=0&lang=4&sort=0

What our company currently does and offers:
- Online-Shop offering products related to cryptocurrencies
- Buying and trading cryptocurrencies on behalf of larger investors, that wish to remain anonymous or don’t want to spend too much time
- Housing ASICs and other miners
- Accompany start-ups on their way and introduction of their own services into the cryptocurrency world (choice of the right corporate form, articles of association, website, online-shop, IP matters, employment contracts, immigration law/working permits etc.)
- Investments in selected crypto-markets.

Have a look at our website to find out more:
www.swisscryptote.ch

Due to our local focus, the only currently available language is German. Additional languages will follow.

The first currency we selected to invest was Karma. Our goal was to stay in the background and see what “kosmost” and the team would be able to create. Our portfolio includes 3.100.000.000 Karma and we have no intention of investing more as we want to prevent too much concentration. On the other hand, please note that to date - even during the crash - we did not sell a single Karma.

As we all know, the Karmashares project turned out to be unsuccessful, the future of Karma is uncertain and being passive was a mistake. We are rather sorry about that.
To avoid the project to fall apart and slowly die, Swiss Cryptotech GmbH would like to offer to back up Karma:

This would include getting all existing IP and similar rights and assign agreements and logins related to Karma and Karmashares (subject to a prior due diligence), doing the hosting of the relevant websites (including a block explorer), running at least one stable pool at our own costs, coordinating the further development of new features, services and products as well as investing some of our company’s money and offering our man power and legal/technical skills. We also plan to finance extensive advertising measures in social and classic media and organize meaningful giveaways.

Next to the mandatory Bitcoin, it is the intention to make Karma the flagship of our company. As we are currently negotiating with local companies about the implementation of Bitcoin-payment systems in their online-shops and/or placing Bitcoin-ATMs in their coffees/ bars and stores, Karma could be the next step in this development. Of course, the whole project would depend on the capacities and the enthusiasm of the community and (mostly) voluntary work as we are not able to spend 100% of our time on that. We cannot promise to make the turnaround but what we can do is make sure that no content simply “disappears” overnight and secure the long-term viability of Karma.
We have had enough of all the anonymous pseudo Messiah! It’s time to provide Karma with a real face and a strong basis.

Please, dear community, let us know whether you think that our offer could me interesting for you and we will see what we can do to make the vision happen.

Many thanks.

Best regards

Perica
Founder, Partner and Manager of Swiss Cryptotech GmbH

André
Founder, Partner and President of the Management of Swiss Cryptotech GmbH

LOL -- here's something I teach my students (I do adjunct work for a couple of universities) -- it's a powerful technique for surfacing unmet needs...

1. That's a good question!
2. I guess it depends....
3. What do YOU think?

:-)

This is an especially good pattern to use when you're in job interviews -- you know those annoying times when you think someone is trying to trick you or trip you up.  Those annoying questions like:

"Which is better?  Java or .NET?"

1. Start by validating the speaker.  People like to know that they are smart ;-)

2. Obviously "it depends"

   a. What are you using today?
   b. What challenges are you having?
   c. Practically speaking, is there a need to consider an alternate platform?
   d. Why limit the conversation to just "either/or"

3. If you can, get the speaker to elucidate what's already on their mind.  For those not aware of this pattern they will wax philosophic, do most of the talking and by the end of the conversation think you're the smartest person in the room ;-)


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Joking aside...

We already have an API built that interacts with our vault system, but that's not a general purpose need.

Looking around we already have good examples to leverage, like the one built into the ABE explorer and the ones at exchanges like Bittrex et al.

I would think that having an authoritative source of "current pricing" much like the COINDESK index would be useful in helping members understand what the current value of their holdings might be worth.

But that's really a short lived need -- I would think things like "number of karma holders" -- transactional information -- if it becomes the coin of reputation then what does your Web of Trust currently favor?

Integration with WebCart would be top of mind for me...

In all sincerity...what do YOU think is needed?

I would approach this in SCRUM like fashion, take the needs, triage them, let a board of stakeholders decide the priority and then begin making assignments for "ANALYSIS -> IMPLEMENTATION -> VERIFICATION -> DISPOSITION"  

Not everything gets implemented and can be "CLOSED/RESOLVED, CANCELED, or WAIT FOR FUTURE RELEASE"



These are the simple states of a light-weight project management methodology I imported from my time at a large biomedical company and brought to Fortune 50 bank using the Atlassian Jira tool to handle the state-to-state transitions.   I've been using Redmine for https://doabitofgood.com so its basically tool agnostic.

This is how you bring order out of chaos...

Initially I would focus on a JSON based protocol allowing for a variety of implementations.  PHP and Python again are top of mind because that's what we're most familiar with...

-dvd

that's the spirit!

What kind of API service you have in mind?

Since we already do JSON based API work in PHP / Python for Givecoin we'd be more than happy to just donate that same work to Karma for free.

If you want to spend money please consider buying Google ad-words to build awareness for the coinbase.

-dvd

+1

Please join trello and telegram so we can brainwash you into loving karma and doing something for karma!


Hurry up and join trello. I think the room is giving free fruit punch!!

Hi guys.

I would love to see as many people as possible on the Telegram messenger. https://telegram.org/
here is the first random video search that reviews it   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_6Fy1loS6I

This is a great app. its fast and uses low ram. Since it is also an APP you can take it anywhere with you and you can receive notification alert. This is the main feature why we suggest you get the app. In case of emergency we will be able to alert everyone.

Like all the new messenger apps you will need to authorize your account by giving them you phone number where they send a text message with a code to authenticate that you are using a cell numbers you actually own. This is a one time authentication method only.

Here is the only problem with this is that it registers your account with your phone number. telegram gives you ability to change your username as you please but in order for us to add you in the group chat you will need to share the number you used to register with.

Since some of us do not feel comfortable with sharing personal details then i suggest using an online service that gives you a free number. I would recommend PINGER APP(www.pinger.com ). download the app on your mobile. with in two minutes you get a brand new CELL number where you can receive text messages. Remember , you will need an app that allows you to receive text messaging. the whole purpose is to receive the authentication code from telegram so you can authorize telegram app.


So here are the whole steps.

IF you do not want to use real mobile number :
step 1. Install an app that assigns you a new number and must be able to receive text msg. i recommend PINGER app
step 2. Install Telegram Messenger. Both the mobile app and desktop version for maximum browsing! https://telegram.org/
step 3. Use this new PHONE number from Step 1 to register with telegram. as part of authentication telegram will send a text msg with code.
Step 4. After you have received the code from the app us used in Step 1. Authenticate Telegram Messenger
Step 5. PM either me , eateagle13  or ryannyen here with the phone number you registered in Telegram Messenger.
Step 6. you will be added to the chat group!!!


IF you wish to use your real mobile number :
step 1. Install Telegram Messenger. Both the mobile app and desktop version for maximum browsing! https://telegram.org/
step 2. Use you mobile number to register with telegram. as part of authentication telegram will send a text msg with code.
Step 3. After you have received the code via text msg, authenticate Telegram Messenger
Step 4. PM either me , eateagle13  or ryannyen here with the phone number you registered in Telegram Messenger.
Step 5. you will be added to the chat group!!!

Welcome to the fun chat!! You will never miss a thing.


Then also join Trello.com and msg us and we will add you to karma board

can you create a PRAw scrypt that collects all the user names of people who have been active in /karmacoin . r/karmacoingood r/karmashares

trying to read up on it but i cant figure it out. I know you can collect all the usernames of people who have either posted once or opened a thread. 

if you get the list of them i will send them a msg letting them know of the new subreddit. r/karmateam. Unless you can make a automatic msg for this as well.


c'mon bud. just like the old times. lets help karma once more?

There are statements in this thread and on the old forum. In karmashares reddit, I think only Kos.

Who has access?

Maybe the best thing to do is to quote the words and posts of the one who closed it. Then post it there.

it would be nice if someone could maybe write some sort of explanation on the now private r/karmashares (which had the most activity of the subreddits) that the LLC has been closed down, and that people looking for karma-related stuff should go to karmateam or something.

or maybe just a link to a page explaining how the LLC is shut down etc.

https://www.reddit.com/r/karmashares