Hello Karmanians,
My Name is André and I am Perica's (perham007) Business Partner and Friend. I had no intention in posting here as I am known for someone who is rather not diplomatic at times and speaks his mind too freely. That of course can be perceived very easily as hostile and aggressive, especially if you just read it instead of sitting opposite of me and talking about it. I hate to waste time, so let me speak my Mind...
First:
I like everyone who is actually voicing any requests or demands to introduce himself, anyone who calls himself a Karma-Core Tech/Developer/Inner-Circle Manager/ Decision Maker please make yourself know.
My Name is André and I am Perica's (perham007) Business Partner and Friend. I had no intention in posting here as I am known for someone who is rather not diplomatic at times and speaks his mind too freely. That of course can be perceived very easily as hostile and aggressive, especially if you just read it instead of sitting opposite of me and talking about it. I hate to waste time, so let me speak my Mind...
First:
I like everyone who is actually voicing any requests or demands to introduce himself, anyone who calls himself a Karma-Core Tech/Developer/Inner-Circle Manager/ Decision Maker please make yourself know.
Hello,
Nice to see you come forward. wished you both had come out earlier. It doesn't make sense when people say we sat and watched Kosmost do his thing. Hope that we can start to understand as a community we are all need to do out part. There shouldn't be one group of people trying something , why others watch. The more projects try to give it a shot the better is for karma
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Name: Who (real name is irrelevant)
Age: not bellow 30
City of Residence: BTT , r/karmateam and any other karma related place. 24/7 my icon is always green for karma!
Function: One of the 5 people who took over the coin from old dev. Together with Kosmost , i helped brainstorm and seek out talent to execute our changes. Now with kosmost out, i oversee the password to the github account (source code) , This BTT thread , one of the twitters, mod of r/karmateam , admin in trello , gmail account( where most of these services were register with), admin in most facebook groups. Still need access from kosmost to main facebook account. Most of the times there is 3-4 people who share this info. it used to be me kosmost , javi and Shawn. At this moment it is me and East. Ryan too if he had not gone vacation and stayed MIA.
Total Value of Karma Coins: roughly anywhere between 300 - 500 mills.
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I like to know who I am talking to, I believe that if you have genuine intentions for Karma's future it is a reasonable request considering that everyone is hiding currently behind pseudonym here.
I am known as "Who" ever since i got involved with karma. I don't see how important it is to prove your real life identity in this part of the crypto world. Don't get me wrong, it is nice to have that comfort feeling you know some one identity but to me that should not give you 5 stars. Here is what i mean :
If community does pick you to host the main www.Karmacoin.me site and a week later you go MIA there is nothing i can do. knowing your full name and all. I will be practically impossible to prove that that was you posting here all this time . Not to mention you're giving us your word. Anyways,dont mean to go off topic and i am not looking to say having real names doesn't mean a lot. If us karmanians learned anything from the whole LLC fiasco is that if it is not on paper it doesn't meant anything. Since there is no legal way a piece of paper could protect a community such as ours then there is not a whole lot of protection we can get knowing one's real name. I could be wrong but i don't see something like "i,joe doe , promise to always keep this site online for Karma coin and its community" as i don't see how anyone can legally represent karma community or the coin. The coin is open source so there is no "owners"
The only good thing having some one real name is that you can Google them to validate their experience. Also the matter that when some one reveals their name it would be on their best interest to not do something to hurt the community or they can be stalked and harassed both socially and in real life. This would be strong indicator that this person is not out to scam.
So most of the times , for what we do in this side of the world, some one name is irrelevant, because that person is not accountable for the whole coins success. This is why the kind of services we should strive for should be services that are trustless. As little as much to be influence by human and human errors.
For example, most of the people i worked and still work about karma, i did not know their name nor did i care for them because to me what counted is that they did the work. The only time some one name help me is when i can check their credentials and not worry if what they say its true.
Again i dont mean to start a whole topic of why or why not some one name is important , but for what we are trying to do here it is not necessary.
Here is what I am interested in:
As one of the Biggest Stakeholders in Karmacoins I believe we can make such a request considering that our Company has openly showed interest to help out here on our own cost. Perica was very clear on the fact that we do not want to own Karma, but ensure it goes back to a state where it is able to attract Investors else this is just another dead pile of bytes.
David (TheLittleDuck) made also a lot of very good points and it is clear that with like any other Business there has to be a Management line looking after the Interest of the Stakeholders. It is a Community driven Project
and as such it has to be driven. But it need clear insurance that such a disaster does not repeat itself. Whoever is taking charge and stepping up as Godfather of Karmacoin will have the responsibility to ensure the Services continue without major interruptions for the future.
This should be the first and only Task we are discussing at this point in time on this Thread. All other discussions about new Services, Ideas, Actions etc. should be placed in its own Karma-Forum.
Lets not waste any more time with chitchat and this childish flame/blame accusation threads because that only shows immaturity and makes clear that your Mind is way to young to have a seat on the board.
Sincerely
André
As one of the Biggest Stakeholders in Karmacoins I believe we can make such a request considering that our Company has openly showed interest to help out here on our own cost. Perica was very clear on the fact that we do not want to own Karma, but ensure it goes back to a state where it is able to attract Investors else this is just another dead pile of bytes.
David (TheLittleDuck) made also a lot of very good points and it is clear that with like any other Business there has to be a Management line looking after the Interest of the Stakeholders. It is a Community driven Project
and as such it has to be driven. But it need clear insurance that such a disaster does not repeat itself. Whoever is taking charge and stepping up as Godfather of Karmacoin will have the responsibility to ensure the Services continue without major interruptions for the future.
This should be the first and only Task we are discussing at this point in time on this Thread. All other discussions about new Services, Ideas, Actions etc. should be placed in its own Karma-Forum.
Lets not waste any more time with chitchat and this childish flame/blame accusation threads because that only shows immaturity and makes clear that your Mind is way to young to have a seat on the board.
Sincerely
André
It is clearer now on this post. thank you. i wished you and your partner post some more. You can not expect us to hand over things from only two post made by one and one from you.
I am very happy to see both of yous and David show interest. I am exhausted trying to push for this coin. Its so hard to do something when there are less then 10 active people and only 2 show up daily. Not sure how Kosmost kept his cool for so long. he was a go getter. I'm .. understanding kind of person.
Here is the deal :
Its seems to me that you and Perica, are not ready to provide information on what kind of projects you want to implement karma with. At this time you just want to host the site/services that are offline to help karma out. Also since you will be the one hosting them , you will feel very comfortable because it will mean they will be at a secure place and won't go offline again. This is good to hear but also note that Kosmost did say the same. or maybe he didnt we just assumed so... Either way , you must understand why no one is jumping from joy. At this moment the community has raised their shield to anyone promising sweet talk. it is best you guys become very active and post your thoughts so they can get to know you more and feel comfortable. thoughts not only on who should host but all kind of topics that get brought up here.
What do i mean by that? well because it wont matter who host who. It is the community who will decided where to go and whom to support. You can create brand new ones and lunch them but unless you become an active member, not a lot of people will follow you. In the end is the community that decides to use them or not. As an example , Trello and telegram. We have been asking people to join for weeks and not a lot are doing it. We can say "official" as much as we want but unless most of them come on board then it is not useful to us.
So where do we stand. Well, i dont see any problems about you guys hosting the sites but you both do need to start becoming more active. That means get in touch with me and East and also post more here so members can get a feel of how you will react to different topics. Will you be tolerate to criticism? will you be aggressive? etc. You will need to create that bond with the members here if you wish to have them help you with your plans. Especially the more active members . they are the ones who pretty much vote or voice their opinions. it is them you should try to engage with. You can find them here , on trello and telegram. Hopefully in the karma forum as well.
i agree that we should stop wasting anymore time with this issue. there has been to much lack of attention on moving forward. In reality is that we tried to wait for community to intervene and help us decide the best solution. Again, most of the members just like to watch. they don't like to do a lot of thing or help with decision but they love to come here and criticize when a decision is chosen.
I think we all should have a group chat. Me ,east, chargin , you two , David , Komost and who ever else bothers to come to the meeting. Lets us all get together and figure out the perfect solution to this and lets move forward to more important things.
