[announce] Namecoin - a distributed naming system based on Bitcoin - page 91.

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Quote from: vuce on May 28, 2011, 07:58:36 AM

Registered my first domain, have to say I'm impressed how easy it is. Awesome work! (spreading the word around...)

Yes. It would be even easier if there was a slightly modified bitcoin client GUI, i.e. a basic namecoin client GUI with an extension to include the capability to handle the new name commands (minimal set);

Code:

name_firstupdate   [] 
name_list []
name_new 
name_scan [] []
name_update   []

and we could trade namecoins like bitcoins to boot.

I can begin a pool bounty in namecoin for this work if someone wants to name their price.

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Registered my first domain, have to say I'm impressed how easy it is. Awesome work! (spreading the word around...)

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khal what do you think about theymos' bitDNS proposal? Wouldn't that be a Namecoin killer if it were implemented or is it technically limited enough to justify the existence of this block chain?

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maybe the old dragons already sitting on significant shares of the future money should register the worst domains for things like child pornography and racism to limit abuse. no doubt there will be plenty real bad domains with namecoin but at least they won't be as catchy.

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Quote from: JohnDoe on May 26, 2011, 06:49:35 PM

Yeah but the bitcoin fees are voluntary, the minimum fee is just a default of the official client. As far as I can tell the name_firstupdate fee is network-enforced, so it will become way harder to change if namecoin becomes widely used.

Anyway, still would like to know the reason why vinced decided to put that 0.01 NC minimum since the only purpose of that fee is to reduce domain squatting early on.

All name_* commands have a minimum fee to limit spam. name_firstupdate has a big one to limit the rush.
The 0.01 minimum fee will not become a problem suddenly, so updating the namecoin client will be done when necessary and in advance.

Quote from: JohnDoe on May 26, 2011, 06:49:35 PM

If the fee is left there then the money supply will begin to contract at some point when the block reward becomes less than the rate of destruction.

I think too that the namecoins should not be lost. If they are lost, we will use smaller and smaller namecoins amounts, will need to decrease the fee limit more often, etc. Give them to miners, they will be happy and offer more NC for same amount of BTC.

Quote from: JohnDoe on May 26, 2011, 06:49:35 PM

Btw, I read that there were plans to make a cross miner that can work on both block chains simultaneously at the same hashrate. Are people already working on this or is it still on brainstorm phase?

It's not an easy update :p. I've seen discussions about that on the bitcoin forum, i don't know at what stage is all this.

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Quote from: khal on May 26, 2011, 05:14:29 PM

This minimum can be changed if needed. Same applies to bitcoin : minimum fee will pass from 0.01BTC to 0.0005BTC.

Yeah but the bitcoin fees are voluntary, the minimum fee is just a default of the official client. As far as I can tell the name_firstupdate fee is network-enforced, so it will become way harder to change if namecoin becomes widely used. Anyway, still would like to know the reason why vinced decided to put that 0.01 NC minimum since the only purpose of that fee is to reduce domain squatting early on. If the fee is left there then the money supply will begin to contract at some point when the block reward becomes less than the rate of destruction.

Btw, I read that there were plans to make a cross miner that can work on both block chains simultaneously at the same hashrate. Are people already working on this or is it still on brainstorm phase?

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Quote from: phelix on May 26, 2011, 10:02:19 AM

I used "{\"map\": {\"\": \"10.0.0.1\"}} "

is the code it spits out on a name_firstupdate useful for anything?

what would be the easiest way to redirect .bit domains to old style domains without having a static IP at hand? I would like to try your DNS, khal. =)

Say your .bit domain is example.bit
Say your existing website is example.com.
example.com has ip 192.0.32.10
www.example.com has ip 192.0.32.10
example.com has ns A.IANA-SERVERS.NET & B.IANA-SERVERS.NET

You have two options to configure your domain :
A. put the ip address of your webserver directly for "" (for eindomain.bit :p) and www (for www.eindomain.bit)
* set json-value: "{\"map\": {\"\": \"192.0.32.10\"}, {\"www\": \"192.0.32.10\"}}"
* add example.bit in the same interface where you added example.com
If your web hosting provider don't accept unknown TLDs (.bit for ex :p), you must use another provider

B. put the same nameservers used by your other domain
* set json-value: "{\"map\": {\"\": {\"ns\": [\"A.IANA-SERVERS.NET\", \"B.IANA-SERVERS.NET\"]}}}"
* add example.bit in the same interface where you added example.com
If you can only add a domain by registering it, you can't use this method.

Then :
* if you want a redirect, add an html or php file to redirect to example.com
* if you want to browse directly on example.bit, configure it to point to the same folder as example.com

If you need to add your .bit domain on another web hosting to do a redirect, i can do it for 1BTC on my webserver :p

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Quote from: JohnDoe on May 26, 2011, 04:44:39 PM

Why is there a minimum name_firstupdate fee of 0.01 NC? Won't registrations become extremely expensive if namecoins rise too much in value?

This minimum can be changed if needed. Same applies to bitcoin : minimum fee will pass from 0.01BTC to 0.0005BTC.

Quote from: JohnDoe on May 26, 2011, 04:44:39 PM

Also why is this fee destroyed instead of given back to miners?

That's a good question i asked : http://dot-bit.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=31

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Why is there a minimum name_firstupdate fee of 0.01 NC? Won't registrations become extremely expensive if namecoins rise too much in value?

Also why is this fee destroyed instead of given back to miners?

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yes I waited long enough. I found out what the problem was:

I used the json checker and it gave me the properly escaped json sequence for windows. The wiki is a little misleading for windows users because copy and paste does not work.

instead of '{"map": {"": "10.0.0.1"}}' I used "{\"map\": {\"\": \"10.0.0.1\"}} "

is the code it spits out on a name_firstupdate useful for anything?

what would be the easiest way to redirect .bit domains to old style domains without having a static IP at hand? I would like to try your DNS, khal. =)

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Quote from: phelix on May 26, 2011, 09:32:50 AM

I tried to firstupdate and got this (names changed; I made the name new 20 blocks ago):

namecoind name_firstupdate d/bitcoin 519eXXXXX005 eb554af3deb4XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX8e32beba99066988f8c685b '{"map": {"": "10.0.0.1"}}'
error: {"code":-1,"message":"name_firstupdate [] \nPerf
orm a first update after a name_new reservation.\nNote that the first update wil
l go into a block 12 blocks after the name_new, at the soonest."}

Is it trying to tell me my name_new did not work out?

Did you wait for 12 blocks after the name_new ?

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Quote from: khal on May 26, 2011, 07:06:09 AM

Quote from: phelix on May 26, 2011, 03:24:22 AM

what does it mean that I reserved a name?

When you reserve a name, other people don't know the domain name you reserved. This avoids another person to name_new the same domain as you 1 second after you.

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for how long will it stay reserved?

12'000 blocks too, after that, your name_new has expired. Other people can also do name_new. The first one to do the name_firstupdate gets the domain.

thanks, I see.

I tried to firstupdate and got this (names changed; I made the name new 20 blocks ago):

namecoind name_firstupdate d/bitcoin 519eXXXXX005 eb554af3deb4XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX8e32beba99066988f8c685b '{"map": {"": "10.0.0.1"}}'
error: {"code":-1,"message":"name_firstupdate [] \nPerf
orm a first update after a name_new reservation.\nNote that the first update wil
l go into a block 12 blocks after the name_new, at the soonest."}

Is it trying to tell me my name_new did not work out?

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Quote from: phelix on May 26, 2011, 03:24:22 AM

what does it mean that I reserved a name?

When you reserve a name, other people don't know the domain name you reserved. This avoids another person to name_new the same domain as you 1 second after you.

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for how long will it stay reserved?

12'000 blocks too, after that, your name_new has expired. Other people can also do name_new. The first one to do the name_firstupdate gets the domain.

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Quote from: phelix on May 26, 2011, 03:24:22 AM

what happens if I reserve without the d/ in front of the name? it seems to work fine.

It will not be recognized as a domain name, so you have basically just wasted some namecoins.

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Quote from: phelix on May 26, 2011, 03:24:22 AM

what happens if I reserve without the d/ in front of the name? it seems to work fine.

what does it mean that I reserved a name? for how long will it stay reserved? could I reserve a hundred names and lock them for everyone else? I hope not. >=]

After the

Code:

./namecoind name_firstupdate

the name stays reserved for 12,000 blocks (i think) at which point you can do a

Code:

./namecoind name_update

to keep it current ... cost (0.01NC)

We need to get the exact details extracted out of the forums, made explicit, and put up on the wiki ... bear with us.

http://dot-bit.org/HowToRegisterAndConfigureBitDomains#4._Other_updates

Edit: it is in the OP ... start there at least.
"Names expire after 12000 blocks unless renewed with an update"

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what happens if I reserve without the d/ in front of the name? it seems to work fine.

what does it mean that I reserved a name? for how long will it stay reserved? could I reserve a hundred names and lock them for everyone else? I hope not. >=]

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I mined with ~500mhash for 12hours and do not seem to have found anything. I tried the testnet flag to check the setup but it does not connect:

C:\phoenix>c:\phoenix\phoenix.exe -u http://xxxx:[email protected]:8336 -
k poclbm DEVICE=2 -v -q 3 -a 256 VECTORS BFI_INT AGGRESSION=10
[25/05/2011 22:37:01] Phoenix 1.48 starting...
MSG: Bitcoin is not connected!
[25/05/2011 22:37:01] Failed to connect, retrying...
[0 Khash/sec] [0 Accepted] [0 Rejected] [RPC]

the miners seem to work fine with normal use. I assume there is no testnet for namecoin yet, correct? (could not find this info).

-----------edit------------
I forgot they have to mature. using "namecoind.exe listtransactions" to find out how many I got... sweet I got a couple of blocks. I imagine this is a little bit similiar to when it all started, very nice.

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Quote from: phathash on May 25, 2011, 10:39:06 AM

for listtractions I get -

error: {"code";-32601,"message":"Method not found"}

I am using the Windows exe.

Do I need to list the account?

spelling fail.

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Quote from: phathash on May 25, 2011, 10:39:06 AM

for listtractions I get -

error: {"code";-32601,"message":"Method not found"}

I am using the Windows exe.

Do I need to list the account?

Not listtractions, but listtransactions

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When I try to do name_update I get this message:

error: {"code":-1,"message":"there are pending operations on that name"}

I have waited for a day and still get the message. I only get this message for a name I name_firstupdate'd with an older version of namecoin. I doubled checked in my transaction history that I really firstupdate'd this name. For all other names I own, name_update works fine. Using linux 32 binary.

Any idea what could be the problem? Help much appreciated.

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