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legendary
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Bitcoin: An Idea Worth Spending
I'm not here as a BFL rep

Sure you are. You even bid for advertising here.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2777728
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7 @ 3.75


I, too, Syke, once pointed out this very fact not too long ago. You can easily multiply that post by 100 posts similar to it, for there were close to 100 rounds to date with Inaba putting in multiple bids in many of the threads.

no we do not want to sell miners or chips to people who are more trouble than they are worth as far as customers go.


THERE IT IS FOLKS!


We want customers who give us their money and let us use it for 13+ months and when we eventually deliver them their useless paperweight they shut the fuck up and be happy they MAY have a chance to get their money back and nothing else.


Get your resume' polished Josh, once the last unit is delivered all that is left is the lawsuits and the layoffs.

I don't think Josh has to worry about future employment, even if he's not sitting in some jail cell with a juicy black dick up his ass. The fact of the matter is he's probably networked with enough people possessing the same elk, he'll have no problem finding future kneeling positions, and I don't mean of the Amen kind, albeit Amen! will be the mantra stemming from the dude not kneeling.
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Josh said...
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The signal to noise on this forum is so out of whack, it's completely immaterial what happens here - this subforum is no longer relevant as far as business goes,...

 This is the statement that was the catalyst for blowing up on Josh and having him punitively cancel my ASIC orders.

 

You are lucky!
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no we do not want to sell miners or chips to people who are more trouble than they are worth as far as customers go.


THERE IT IS FOLKS!


We want customers who give us their money and let us use it for 13+ months and when we eventually deliver them their useless paperweight they shut the fuck up and be happy they MAY have a chance to get their money back and nothing else.


Get your resume' polished Josh, once the last unit is delivered all that is left is the lawsuits and the layoffs.
legendary
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I'm not here as a BFL rep

Sure you are. You even bid for advertising here.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2777728
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7 @ 3.75
legendary
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Christian Antkow
Josh said...
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The signal to noise on this forum is so out of whack, it's completely immaterial what happens here - this subforum is no longer relevant as far as business goes,...

 This is the statement that was the catalyst for blowing up on Josh and having him punitively cancel my ASIC orders.

 I was a former customer of Butterfly Labs after discovering them on these very forums. Gave them over $5000 USD of my money for product. For him to question the relevancy of these very forums when it was responsible for a significant amount of exposure and advertising, points to a self-destructive pathology and a dangerously myopic view of public relations.
legendary
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No, I throw out insults because you're a a liar, get it straight!  I don't care about your spelling or grammatical errors, but they just serve to illustrate what an idiot you are.

Inaba, I only just recently got into the bitcointalk forums, even though I've been mining for a long time. I have to say I'm seriously confused about why you're acting this way.  Presumably you'd like to sell your chips and continue to sell miners, right? You're coming across as incredibly childish and immature here.  All you have to do to shut up all your critics is deliver, if you get your chips and your miners out there and they'll have nothing to say.

If I were looking to buy ASICs in bulk, I'd have serious reservations as it is - and there are a number of very credible competitors out there at this point.  If you're acting this way on forums it doesn't instill a lot of confidence in your company at all.  

Obviously I don't know the history - and clearly it goes back a long way with certain people.  But if you come in here and insult people, but then don't answer the pertinent questions people ask it does look bad.

Also, I think you should at least try to be more understanding with some of your angry customers.  I know delays happen with electronics, and normally it isn't that big of a deal. But if you'd delivered what you promised on time a lot of these people might be rich now.  With every day they don't have their product, they see that wealth slipping through their fingers.

I have to say I don't really get it.

You'll probably want to go back and read previous threads to catch up, then.  Lots of people similar to Jackrabiit like to make up lies and misinformation to smear BFL because they like the attention.  I'm not here as a BFL rep, so you get my opinion of the post content or the person posting, not BFL's.  The signal to noise on this forum is so out of whack, it's completely immaterial what happens here - this subforum is no longer relevant as far as business goes, as there is simply no way to separate the BS from the truth with people like PG, Jackrabiit, et al posting completely false information over and over in an attempt to confuse everyone because I hurt their wittle feewings.  

So to answer your question, no we do not want to sell miners or chips to people who are more trouble than they are worth as far as customers go.  People like Jackrabiit, Xian, Jordan, etc... cost more money to retain as customers than they generate in revenue, so they are a net loss and need to go, go go!  

I'm very understanding with angry customers.  I am not understanding with non-customers who make up false information or even customers who continually lie over and over in an attempt to get others to cancel their orders because they think it will make their orders more valuable, or simply for grins.  

If you want adult conversation and not a bunch of children bitching and moaning about how sad they are and acting like a bunch of mentally handicapped emo-teens, I suggest the BFL forums, where the riff-raff and trolls are kept at bay fairly well.


I'm glad I got the chance to quote this post before its disappearance.

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I'm not here as a BFL rep, so you get my opinion of the post content or the person posting, not BFL's.

This is exactly what he meant when he posted under the username BFL_Josh stating that when he posts under that account, it's BFL related, whereupon posting under the username Inaba, it is not BFL related.

Therefore, each time from that point forward to today, each time Inaba posted in the capacity of BFL he was in effect lying, for he knew full well that he couldn't do such according to his own omission then, reiterating now.

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The signal to noise on this forum is so out of whack, it's completely immaterial what happens here - this subforum is no longer relevant as far as business goes,...

And this, my friends, is where I drew the line, and started to stick it up Josh's and BFL's ass every motherfuckin' time I can. This, and his "monumental assholes" post really gets my goat (apologies to Goat).

Here we have not one, but two examples--Josh and BFL--coming to this very forum, humbly introducing themselves, playing nice, then for doing such, start garnering funds in a professional manner. But once the cocksuckers... Let me rephrase that! Once the COCKSUCKERS got a little bit ahead of the game (read financially), they opted to stick it up the very asses of those who were kind enough to order from them.

No where else... I repeat... NO MOTHERFUCKIN' WHERE ELSE on the entire internet would they been able to sell even 1% of their services and produces. Only on BitcoinTalk! Later, yes, due to the efforts or a slew of their customer base getting the word out in the wild. Once they received millions--READ MILLIONS--in their once empty coffers, we--READ ALL OF US--were nothing more than MONUMENTAL ASSHOLES.

Money left the hands from those who many probably had to do without for a spell and entered the hands of a felon who just got outta prison so that he could then provide handsomely for his wife/girlfriend and new baby. He got his, as Sonny always has in the past made sure that he did, now fuck yous! You'll get your unit if and when they get around to it, and not one second sooner, for he clearly doesn't have any time for monumental assholes.

In one of the two posts Sonny was kind enough to provide on this lovely forum, he stated that he's changed. I've yet to see a single instance of that change, in fact I've seen the opposite--the same ol' Sonny operating in exactly the same ol' fashion he did when he fleeced millions from the elderly. It takes one sick bastard to be able to pull that off, and the mind doesn't cure itself while sitting in an Italian jail cell, nor in a US cell with a dick up one's ass.

Do you think for one motherfuckin' second Sonny embraced Bitcoin for the betterment of the world, or do you believe he saw an opportunity to once again fleece people, this time mainly geeks, thinking incorrectly that not only do they deserve it, but he could possible get away with it. He saw firsthand what Tom Williams did and couldn't stand it. Sonny Vleisides, the bastard child of James Ray Houston, could do better. All he needed was a team, one easily found on the internet. To this day, Sonny jacks off in rewarding himself in finding Josh. What were the odds that the man-boy he dreamt about hoping to procure was located directly across the street from the address BF Labs Inc. was using in Kansas City? Q couldn't have been able to predict that.

In closing, a simple question, Josh: What is your shoe size?
legendary
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Okey Dokey Lokey
I claimed that you were somehow selling shares- Yeah I fucked up big time there.
Reading comprehension failure- I didnt read the thread, I was linked into it, So i'd say that this is a moot failure on my part

Yeah, you did.  So you wonder why you get an insulting response?  Really?  That's my point, you didn't read the thread and then you went on to make accusations and comment on something you knew absolutely nothing about.  That hardly makes it moot, as that's the entire premise of your argument.

Then there's this little gem:

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BFL's COO/CFO/CEO/Guy spearheading the company is a Convicted Fraudster. Get a refund ASAP!

This just makes you a lying asshole.  Case closed.

in regards to my signature im talking about this https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/re-butterfly-labs-ceo-25-million-usd-mail-fraud-a-concise-summary-of-evidence-110805
legendary
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Christian Antkow
People like Jackrabiit, Xian, Jordan, etc... cost more money to retain as customers than they generate in revenue, so they are a net loss and need to go, go go!  

 Logic failure.

 You no longer have the money we loaned you, destroyed any loyalty, have earned the scorn of a significant portion of this community (your potential customers, I might add), and we're still here talking as we always have, shining the light on your behavior and your companies tribulations, and informing the newbies of your history where needed.

 You have accomplished nothing by "firing us" other than creating more ill-will with a community rather than turning our negative experiences around into a positive for your company, and have ensured that the "malcontents" will continue to underline your poor behavior on principle.

 Your attempts to shut us up have failed. Miserably.

 How exactly is firing us helping you generate more revenue ? Nothing has changed except you've pissed a lot more people off on these forums, and the flood of negativity towards your company is beginning to reach a fevered pitch on both these forums and your own.

 Do you fail to see this ?
legendary
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Ridiculous? How is it ridiculous to assume that you're mining BTC on equipment before shipping it out, makes sense to earn the extra profit does it no?

Really?  Dude, go back and read what you wrote.  You are making an assumption based on ZERO evidence and in fact there is evidence to the contrary that refutes your assumption fairly handily.  So either you're just too ignorant to understand the simple evidence in front of you or you are maliciously posting false information.  If the former, you should not be posting (yet you are, so you're wrong) or you are just an asshole.  In either case, that makes you an asshole for posting about things you have no qualifications to comment on or ability to understand or you're just posting to be an asshole.

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I claimed that you were somehow selling shares- Yeah I fucked up big time there.
Reading comprehension failure- I didnt read the thread, I was linked into it, So i'd say that this is a moot failure on my part

Yeah, you did.  So you wonder why you get an insulting response?  Really?  That's my point, you didn't read the thread and then you went on to make accusations and comment on something you knew absolutely nothing about.  That hardly makes it moot, as that's the entire premise of your argument.

Then there's this little gem:

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BFL's COO/CFO/CEO/Guy spearheading the company is a Convicted Fraudster. Get a refund ASAP!

This just makes you a lying asshole.  Case closed.
legendary
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No, I throw out insults because you're a a liar, get it straight!  I don't care about your spelling or grammatical errors, but they just serve to illustrate what an idiot you are.

Inaba, I only just recently got into the bitcointalk forums, even though I've been mining for a long time. I have to say I'm seriously confused about why you're acting this way.  Presumably you'd like to sell your chips and continue to sell miners, right? You're coming across as incredibly childish and immature here.  All you have to do to shut up all your critics is deliver, if you get your chips and your miners out there and they'll have nothing to say.

If I were looking to buy ASICs in bulk, I'd have serious reservations as it is - and there are a number of very credible competitors out there at this point.  If you're acting this way on forums it doesn't instill a lot of confidence in your company at all.  

Obviously I don't know the history - and clearly it goes back a long way with certain people.  But if you come in here and insult people, but then don't answer the pertinent questions people ask it does look bad.

Also, I think you should at least try to be more understanding with some of your angry customers.  I know delays happen with electronics, and normally it isn't that big of a deal. But if you'd delivered what you promised on time a lot of these people might be rich now.  With every day they don't have their product, they see that wealth slipping through their fingers.

I have to say I don't really get it.

You'll probably want to go back and read previous threads to catch up, then.  Lots of people similar to Jackrabiit like to make up lies and misinformation to smear BFL because they like the attention.  I'm not here as a BFL rep, so you get my opinion of the post content or the person posting, not BFL's.  The signal to noise on this forum is so out of whack, it's completely immaterial what happens here - this subforum is no longer relevant as far as business goes, as there is simply no way to separate the BS from the truth with people like PG, Jackrabiit, et al posting completely false information over and over in an attempt to confuse everyone because I hurt their wittle feewings.  

So to answer your question, no we do not want to sell miners or chips to people who are more trouble than they are worth as far as customers go.  People like Jackrabiit, Xian, Jordan, etc... cost more money to retain as customers than they generate in revenue, so they are a net loss and need to go, go go!  

I'm very understanding with angry customers.  I am not understanding with non-customers who make up false information or even customers who continually lie over and over in an attempt to get others to cancel their orders because they think it will make their orders more valuable, or simply for grins.  

If you want adult conversation and not a bunch of children bitching and moaning about how sad they are and acting like a bunch of mentally handicapped emo-teens, I suggest the BFL forums, where the riff-raff and trolls are kept at bay fairly well.
legendary
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Okey Dokey Lokey
No, I throw out insults because you're a a liar, get it straight!  I don't care about your spelling or grammatical errors, but they just serve to illustrate what an idiot you are.  If you're going to lie and attack someone or some thing, you should at least put some effort into appearing intelligent.  You failed, so I figured I'd point out the fact that no only are you lying, but you're doing it poorly and you look like an idiot in the process.

Your claim that BFL is mining with customer equipment and not sending it out is patently ridiculous.  Your claim that somehow I am selling shares, paying shareholders and keeping the equipment is patently ridiculous and in fact just the opposite has been stated in the threads you failed to be able to read and understand (Hence the reading comprehension fail).

You want to post negative information about me or BFL?  By all means, go ahead.  You'll notice the only people I have a problem with are the ones who are lying sacks o' crap, such as yourself.  Stick to facts and be honest and you'll get no problem from me.

(Top paragraph skipped, theres no conversation to be had there)

Ridiculous? How is it ridiculous to assume that you're mining BTC on equipment before shipping it out, makes sense to earn the extra profit does it no?
I claimed that you were somehow selling shares- Yeah I fucked up big time there.
Reading comprehension failure- I didnt read the thread, I was linked into it, So i'd say that this is a moot failure on my part
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No, I throw out insults because you're a a liar, get it straight!  I don't care about your spelling or grammatical errors, but they just serve to illustrate what an idiot you are. 

Inaba, I only just recently got into the bitcointalk forums, even though I've been mining for a long time. I have to say I'm seriously confused about why you're acting this way.  Presumably you'd like to sell your chips and continue to sell miners, right? You're coming across as incredibly childish and immature here.  All you have to do to shut up all your critics is deliver, if you get your chips and your miners out there and they'll have nothing to say.

If I were looking to buy ASICs in bulk, I'd have serious reservations as it is - and there are a number of very credible competitors out there at this point.  If you're acting this way on forums it doesn't instill a lot of confidence in your company at all.  

Obviously I don't know the history - and clearly it goes back a long way with certain people.  But if you come in here and insult people, but then don't answer the pertinent questions people ask it does look bad.

Also, I think you should at least try to be more understanding with some of your angry customers.  I know delays happen with electronics, and normally it isn't that big of a deal. But if you'd delivered what you promised on time a lot of these people might be rich now.  With every day they don't have their product, they see that wealth slipping through their fingers.

I have to say I don't really get it.
legendary
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Christian Antkow
You'll notice the only people I have a problem with are the ones who are lying sacks o' crap, such as yourself.  Stick to facts and be honest and you'll get no problem from me.

 *requisite mention of Pot Kettle Black*

 So, serious question, does this mean that you are recognizing that you have a problem with yourself ?!

 It's some staggering cognitive dissonance seeing you using the word "honest" in a self-referential manner, Abe.
legendary
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No, I throw out insults because you're a a liar, get it straight!  I don't care about your spelling or grammatical errors, but they just serve to illustrate what an idiot you are.  If you're going to lie and attack someone or some thing, you should at least put some effort into appearing intelligent.  You failed, so I figured I'd point out the fact that no only are you lying, but you're doing it poorly and you look like an idiot in the process.

Your claim that BFL is mining with customer equipment and not sending it out is patently ridiculous.  Your claim that somehow I am selling shares, paying shareholders and keeping the equipment is patently ridiculous and in fact just the opposite has been stated in the threads you failed to be able to read and understand (Hence the reading comprehension fail).

You want to post negative information about me or BFL?  By all means, go ahead.  You'll notice the only people I have a problem with are the ones who are lying sacks o' crap, such as yourself.  Stick to facts and be honest and you'll get no problem from me.
legendary
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Okey Dokey Lokey
...  This is why we no longer give a shit about this forum;  Everyone here is monumental assholes, no matter how accommodating one tries to be.

That is the vital info that is concerning me.  If the employees have large hashrate positions of their own, then it would be in their best interest to not ship orders until China takes the difficulty through the roof.

Does this help?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/glbse-bflsrig-bfl-hardware-mining-sales-89902


Mining on customers paid hardware who you conned into being investors of the product they paied for half a year in advance of thier creation AND selling shares from those Conned Customers (INVESTORS) devices?

Wow, Just fucking wow. If you have paied for a BFL device and havent recived it yet, Odds are that its because bfl is mining coins off of it and selling people shares of the coins in pulls in

In addition to spelling and grammar problems, it's clear you also have reading comprehension problems.  You have the trifecta going on, there.  The hat trick of stupidity, as it were.  I'd give you a quarter to go buy a clue, but you might as well take it from Bryan, he's never used it.

What are you a spellcheck bot? Do you just look for mistyped words so you can dodge the statement of the poster?
Here, i'll underline any of my grammatical errors just to show that you're a dick, most humans dont care SO MUCH about spelling and grammar, The english language itself is Fucked!
So here in my post we have, One misspelled word occuring twice (paied instead of payed), the word Their, with the ie reversed due to finger-to-keyboard timing inaccuracy (due to pace and speed of typing) and a Capital O on Odds when it should have been a lowercase.
Oh, and I forgot to place a period.

So i've done what wrong exactly? I've messed up during my typing and that makes you state that I have reading comprehension problems, that I have spelling and grammar issues (wich are rather simmilar in my case) that causes you to insult me repeatedly.
Wanna count? "in addtion to spelling and grammar problems"
"have reading comprehension problems" thats another insult
"You have the trifecta going on, there." Bashing in the insults
"hat trick of stupidity you have there" Bashing in on the same insults that you've already "capped off"
"I'd give you a quarter to go buy a clue" We all know where and when that massive insult was handed out, You choose to repeat yourself, implying that I am simmilarily idiotic to Bryan

You throw out this many insults over one double spelling error, two typos and a wrongful uppercase letter? (oh and the missed period, almost forgot that, like a human would)
Defensive much?
Proove to the people with outstanding preorders (months late) that you are not mining on A SINGLE fucking BFL unit that a customer has funded the creation of, because I am pretty damn certain that some people with order numbers have thier unit being hashing away at blocks, sitting in your "labs" earning you some profit as part of "testing" 
Do so and I will be HAPPY to delete my post that contains "wrongful" information, Because I will have been wrong.
legendary
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...  This is why we no longer give a shit about this forum;  Everyone here is monumental assholes, no matter how accommodating one tries to be.

That is the vital info that is concerning me.  If the employees have large hashrate positions of their own, then it would be in their best interest to not ship orders until China takes the difficulty through the roof.

Does this help?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/glbse-bflsrig-bfl-hardware-mining-sales-89902


Mining on customers paid hardware who you conned into being investors of the product they paied for half a year in advance of thier creation AND selling shares from those Conned Customers (INVESTORS) devices?

Wow, Just fucking wow. If you have paied for a BFL device and havent recived it yet, Odds are that its because bfl is mining coins off of it and selling people shares of the coins in pulls in

In addition to spelling and grammar problems, it's clear you also have reading comprehension problems.  You have the trifecta going on, there.  The hat trick of stupidity, as it were.  I'd give you a quarter to go buy a clue, but you might as well take it from Bryan, he's never used it.


legendary
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Okey Dokey Lokey
...  This is why we no longer give a shit about this forum;  Everyone here is monumental assholes, no matter how accommodating one tries to be.

That is the vital info that is concerning me.  If the employees have large hashrate positions of their own, then it would be in their best interest to not ship orders until China takes the difficulty through the roof.

Does this help?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/glbse-bflsrig-bfl-hardware-mining-sales-89902


Mining on customers paid hardware who you conned into being investors of the product they paied for half a year in advance of thier creation AND selling shares from those Conned Customers (INVESTORS) devices?

Wow, Just fucking wow. If you have paied for a BFL device and havent recived it yet, Odds are that its because bfl is mining coins off of it and selling people shares of the coins in pulls in
legendary
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Verified Bernie Bro - Feel The Bern!
...  This is why we no longer give a shit about this forum;  Everyone here is monumental assholes, no matter how accommodating one tries to be.

That is the vital info that is concerning me.  If the employees have large hashrate positions of their own, then it would be in their best interest to not ship orders until China takes the difficulty through the roof.

Does this help?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/glbse-bflsrig-bfl-hardware-mining-sales-89902

legendary
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They already shipped some little singles this week according to Jodys blog. Now they stoppen on ordering date Jun 25th.
what does this mean for me Fulfilled?
Code:
Order # 	Date 	Ship To 	Order Total 	Order Status 	 
43xx         8/1/12 xxx yyy $924.00 Fulfilled
I have not got my LS...
(and no email, no shipping information)
hero member
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...  This is why we no longer give a shit about this forum;  Everyone here is monumental assholes, no matter how accommodating one tries to be.

But he has customers on this forum?  No matter how rude people are to him this should never be said.  People gave them a lot of money for being a professional.

If they wanted to be "accommodating", then they should let people know who the Chicago facility is and other details like the amount of hashrate for each pay date, amount of orders for each pay date.  The amount of orders going out each day.

That is the vital info that is concerning me.  If the employees have large hashrate positions of their own, then it would be in their best interest to not ship orders until China takes the difficulty through the roof.

It feels like these companies are trying to time it now in the market.  I wonder if they are waiting on Bitfury to release their $18K 400GH orders?

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