Topic: [Announcement] Butterfly Labs - page 15. (Read 64445 times)

This is what worries me about this whole situation. Lets say someone thinks it's a scam and decides to contact the District of south cali and inform the parole/probation officer of what is happening, "Because funds are being solicited."

Now lets say this is a venture that started with no malice and is part of every intent to release a valid product goes sour because of that contact.. What would stop him from wanting to clear out accounts in fear of possibly doing something wrong that there was no intentions of doing anything wrong and then high tailing it out of town in fear of jail time again?

you back a dog in a corner its gonna fight to get out and do what ever it has to do to get out.

I do think some is blown out of porportion in this situation, but sonny, not josh is the one who needs to adress the community cause this isnt about josh and I do think he's getting more slack then what he deserves.

Something did strike me funny about the msg that sonny posted, it sorta felt like I was reading one oif them Hello I jusst inhereritd a large some of money emails and I want to deposit it into your account.
sorta as if it was rehersed. it still doesnt change the fact that they have released a product in the past which many are using right now.

I guess ill take the time and see what transpires, between the forums and what sonny has to say,
maybe a IRC chat channel with sonny and only a monitor and the monitor take pm's of questions to be asked only by the monitor to let only sonny reply them. there is to many questions here for someone to ready over and try to reply in one day and to much speculation for someone to wanna try if they are legit.

thats just my 1 cent

Of course there is.

But for now i have not heard **ANY** real explanation from them. "I would leave if it would be a scam" is simply NOT any kind of explanation.

Dear ShadowOfHarbringer,

Usually I don't respond to unfriendly posts, but maybe this one needs a bit of addressing. We've had the honor of having Sonny in our corporation
for the past year. He is a bright and honorable person who had come face to face with strong forces behind the scenes without knowing. Many movies
have been made to try and demonstrate how governments and lobbying powers operate. They can kill, sabotage, prosecute or pretty much do anything
they desire without consequences as they have the power, money and weapons to make their point.

The United States Government does not recognize international bounderies when it comes to its interests and demands. The attack on the PirateBay
servers in Sweden is a good instance. Should the owners of PirateBay been Americans, I'm sure they'd already been serving for life in some prison in USA,
under charges of money-laundry, tax evasion (ads on the site), child pornography and so on and so forth. It's easy to hurt people who are powerless.
Even in France this may happen, eventhough on a much smaller scale ( I can't recall any at this point ).

Regarding whether we are a scam or not, the several thousand shipped units can speak for itself. We've used the experience gained in mass production
of our singles in our SC production cycle (we've got a MyData Pick-And-Place and an Oven for high-speed and high-volume inhouse assembly). Someone
mentioned the backlog is already 5,000. On a production speed of 500 units a day for instance, 5,000 will only take 10 days. We've already prepared the
infratructue for very high volume production, since the great portion of the orders will come in after the SC is released to the public. 5,000 units is not much
compared to orders we expect to receive after SC release, so we're very ready for it.

I hope this message has addressed some of your questions.


Regards,
Nasser

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/hi-my-name-is-sonny-vleisides-110868

not good enough != not answered
would there be any answer you would accept? i guess no.

Not good enough.

Also, what about the other guy which (was ?) involved in 25M fraud ?

the official answer from BFL_Josh was that he would leave if it would be a scam.
as he didn't leave: it is answered.

You mean that they draw more power than your current models, don't you?
If not, and the Avalon draws less/same power or has more GH/s/$ than the Single SC, then we have a problem. I hope you have something in your bag in that case, at least something like a commercial gesture for your loyal pre-order customers.

We are only in September 2012, and we already have competitive offers against BFL. The ASIC competition might be stronger than we thought...
The difficulty throughout 2013 is gonna be scary.

Because the 7970 was the first of a new generation of GPUs. It debuted at $550. However, once the 680 dropped the price of the 7970 plunged.

Similarly, the marginal cost of an SC Single is not $1300. BFL is really the Intel of the FPGA (and now ASIC) scene. They have way more latitude to adjust prices than their competitors.

The same or less than our current models.

And how much power do they take?

From what I know of the Avalon, the power requirements are going to make it only interesting to those that don't have to pay for power. Our units are optimized for power efficiency as well as performance, not just one or the other.

They haven't ever dropped the price of their current Single, have they?

Why the heck would you drop a 7970 for comparison here

Yeah, but when the Avalon is released it will have recovered 0% of its NRE. I don't know BFL's books but estimates on here place the value of their preorders at over US$1M, they're going to have significantly more leeway to adjust prices than anyone else. Even if the Avalon starts becoming available for immediate shipment at 60GH/s @ $1299, nothing says that the Single won't be dropped to $800. The 7970 isn't $500 anymore, either.

Because it offers 50% more speed for the same price. However, those numbers are only for the first 300 preorders. Once they get into the full swing of things, the price will go up to $1999, which puts it right in line with BFL's GHs/1kUSD. I see nothing for them to be "afraid" of.

Why would BFL be afraid of the Avalon ASIC?

@Inaba/BFL_Josh:
What's your current plan to counter the new Avalon ASIC giving 60 GH/s @ $1299?
Are you not afraid?