I think you make a valid point, and have done some good research.
a couple of things come to mind in comment:
1. It really doesn't matter to me if they glue a couple of bamboo sticks together. if it gets 40Gh and the hashes are accepted by pools, i will buy it.
2. It sounds like you may be able to compete with BFL. Can you?
JIm
Topic: [Announcement] Butterfly Labs - page 26. (Read 64445 times)
He who does not know he is a hardcopy report is a bit before saying that no matter the difference between an ASIC and a hardcopy.
The hardcopy is the same bitstream that BFL is now using a cheaper chip with less transistors, surely the idea is to use many of these chips to reach the promised powers.
Nobody has asked if they have developed a single processor ASIC, as can sell a circuit with 3.2 GH / s and another with 40GH / s?
?
That means that of 40GH / s use more than one processor, and probably will be small processors that use hardcopy of StratixIII now.
Basically the difference in announcing a Full Custom ASIC and sell a Hardscopy you is not going to do the same function or a lot less, consumption and profitability or performance or approach.
Not trying to convince anyone, I know there's a lot devotee with faith in this forum, it seems increasingly a religion and not a technology forum, hopefully not end up in the Inquisition ...
The hardcopy is the same bitstream that BFL is now using a cheaper chip with less transistors, surely the idea is to use many of these chips to reach the promised powers.
Nobody has asked if they have developed a single processor ASIC, as can sell a circuit with 3.2 GH / s and another with 40GH / s?
?That means that of 40GH / s use more than one processor, and probably will be small processors that use hardcopy of StratixIII now.
Basically the difference in announcing a Full Custom ASIC and sell a Hardscopy you is not going to do the same function or a lot less, consumption and profitability or performance or approach.
Not trying to convince anyone, I know there's a lot devotee with faith in this forum, it seems increasingly a religion and not a technology forum, hopefully not end up in the Inquisition ...
Sorry if I sound like an ass, but I had to read that like 5 times to get what you're saying.
You think they advertised it as a "Full Custom ASIC", but it's really not?
Sorry, English is not my native language ...
The fact is that we know that BFL uses an Altera FPGA StratixIII more specifically as the friend ngzhang made clear in this thread https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ok-i-confirmed-the-model-of-fpga-they-are-using-in-bfl-single-79825
After BFL know that you're running this processor providing cheap as explained ngzhand forum and it turns Altera offers the option to create your own chip from StratixIII bitstream ,do not know why they call this ASIC in Altera http://www.altera.com/products/devices/hardcopy-asics/hardcopy-stratix/hst-index.jsp page when ASIC really not a hardware but a conversion in a bitstream of an FPGA, is much cheaper to produce (about € 300,000) and the result is a chip cheaper than a FPGA and less consumption but with the same performance.
This would solve the lack of supply StratixIII for BFL and would open the door to announce that it is the first manufacturer of ASICs for BTC when Altera misleading advertising is simply a hardcopy of a lifetime.
Personal Opinion ...
He who does not know he is a hardcopy report is a bit before saying that no matter the difference between an ASIC and a hardcopy.
The hardcopy is the same bitstream that BFL is now using a cheaper chip with less transistors, surely the idea is to use many of these chips to reach the promised powers.
Nobody has asked if they have developed a single processor ASIC, as can sell a circuit with 3.2 GH / s and another with 40GH / s??
That means that of 40GH / s use more than one processor, and probably will be small processors that use hardcopy of StratixIII now.
Basically the difference in announcing a Full Custom ASIC and sell a Hardscopy you is not going to do the same function or a lot less, consumption and profitability or performance or approach.
Not trying to convince anyone, I know there's a lot devotee with faith in this forum, it seems increasingly a religion and not a technology forum, hopefully not end up in the Inquisition ...
The hardcopy is the same bitstream that BFL is now using a cheaper chip with less transistors, surely the idea is to use many of these chips to reach the promised powers.
Nobody has asked if they have developed a single processor ASIC, as can sell a circuit with 3.2 GH / s and another with 40GH / s?
?That means that of 40GH / s use more than one processor, and probably will be small processors that use hardcopy of StratixIII now.
Basically the difference in announcing a Full Custom ASIC and sell a Hardscopy you is not going to do the same function or a lot less, consumption and profitability or performance or approach.
Not trying to convince anyone, I know there's a lot devotee with faith in this forum, it seems increasingly a religion and not a technology forum, hopefully not end up in the Inquisition ...
Sorry if I sound like an ass, but I had to read that like 5 times to get what you're saying.
You think they advertised it as a "Full Custom ASIC", but it's really not?
He who does not know he is a hardcopy report is a bit before saying that no matter the difference between an ASIC and a hardcopy.
The hardcopy is the same bitstream that BFL is now using a cheaper chip with less transistors, surely the idea is to use many of these chips to reach the promised powers.
Nobody has asked if they have developed a single processor ASIC, as can sell a circuit with 3.2 GH / s and another with 40GH / s??
That means that of 40GH / s use more than one processor, and probably will be small processors that use hardcopy of StratixIII now.
Basically the difference in announcing a Full Custom ASIC and sell a Hardscopy you is not going to do the same function or a lot less, consumption and profitability or performance or approach.
Not trying to convince anyone, I know there's a lot devotee with faith in this forum, it seems increasingly a religion and not a technology forum, hopefully not end up in the Inquisition ...
The hardcopy is the same bitstream that BFL is now using a cheaper chip with less transistors, surely the idea is to use many of these chips to reach the promised powers.
Nobody has asked if they have developed a single processor ASIC, as can sell a circuit with 3.2 GH / s and another with 40GH / s?
?That means that of 40GH / s use more than one processor, and probably will be small processors that use hardcopy of StratixIII now.
Basically the difference in announcing a Full Custom ASIC and sell a Hardscopy you is not going to do the same function or a lot less, consumption and profitability or performance or approach.
Not trying to convince anyone, I know there's a lot devotee with faith in this forum, it seems increasingly a religion and not a technology forum, hopefully not end up in the Inquisition ...
Hi BFL_Josh,
Can you provide a copy of the Jalapeno specification?
Thanks.
Here ya go:Can you provide a copy of the Jalapeno specification?
Thanks.
http://news.yahoo.com/butterfly-labs-announces-next-generation-asic-lineup-054626776.html
"BitForce SC Jalapeno: a USB powered coffee warmer"
That press release also states:
1) BitForce SC Jalapeno: a USB powered coffee warmer providing 3.5 GH/s, priced at under $149
I don't know if you noticed that the pre-order price is: $149
So not everything in that press release is true...
I was to understand there would be cookies...
Sure.But they will be stale. (Less tasty than advertised.)
And delivered a day late. (four to six weeks == how the hell should I know when)
I was to understand there would be cookies...
Hi BFL_Josh,
Can you provide a copy of the Jalapeno specification?
Thanks.
Here ya go:Can you provide a copy of the Jalapeno specification?
Thanks.
http://news.yahoo.com/butterfly-labs-announces-next-generation-asic-lineup-054626776.html
"BitForce SC Jalapeno: a USB powered coffee warmer"
That press release also states:
1) BitForce SC Jalapeno: a USB powered coffee warmer providing 3.5 GH/s, priced at under $149
I don't know if you noticed that the pre-order price is: $149
So not everything in that press release is true...
So not everything in that press release is true...
You mean BFL made a statement which subsequently turned out to be, um, less than accurate?I don't know if I can go on living after such a disillusionment.
Perhaps I'll have to check myself into a rehab center to get over it.
Four to six weeks should be sufficient.
See you in Q1 2013
So not everything in that press release is true...
You mean BFL made a statement which subsequently turned out to be, um, less than accurate?I don't know if I can go on living after such a disillusionment.
Perhaps I'll have to check myself into a rehab center to get over it.
Four to six weeks should be sufficient.
Hi BFL_Josh,
Can you provide a copy of the Jalapeno specification?
Thanks.
Here ya go:Can you provide a copy of the Jalapeno specification?
Thanks.
http://news.yahoo.com/butterfly-labs-announces-next-generation-asic-lineup-054626776.html
"BitForce SC Jalapeno: a USB powered coffee warmer"
That press release also states:
1) BitForce SC Jalapeno: a USB powered coffee warmer providing 3.5 GH/s, priced at under $149
I don't know if you noticed that the pre-order price is: $149
So not everything in that press release is true...
Hi BFL_Josh,
Can you provide a copy of the Jalapeno specification?
Thanks.
Here ya go:Can you provide a copy of the Jalapeno specification?
Thanks.
http://news.yahoo.com/butterfly-labs-announces-next-generation-asic-lineup-054626776.html
"BitForce SC Jalapeno: a USB powered coffee warmer"
That press release also states:
1) BitForce SC Jalapeno: a USB powered coffee warmer providing 3.5 GH/s, priced at under $149
I don't know if you noticed that the pre-order price is: $149
So not everything in that press release is true...
Oh Yahoo said so, so it must be true...
Hi BFL_Josh,
Can you provide a copy of the Jalapeno specification?
Thanks.
Here ya go:Can you provide a copy of the Jalapeno specification?
Thanks.
http://news.yahoo.com/butterfly-labs-announces-next-generation-asic-lineup-054626776.html
"BitForce SC Jalapeno: a USB powered coffee warmer"
Hi BFL_Josh,
Can you provide a copy of the Jalapeno specification?
Thanks.
They have to make one first ... Can you provide a copy of the Jalapeno specification?
Thanks.
Hi BFL_Josh,
Can you provide a copy of the Jalapeno specification?
Thanks.
Can you provide a copy of the Jalapeno specification?
Thanks.
Good luck with that.
Hi BFL_Josh,
Can you provide a copy of the Jalapeno specification?
Thanks.
Can you provide a copy of the Jalapeno specification?
Thanks.
Why is that important? What does it matter to you?
If they supply a device which you are willing to pay for, it doesn't matter if it is made with hand soldered discrete transistors on a perf board.
If you buy a BMW and you will deliver a Dacia say the same?If they supply a device which you are willing to pay for, it doesn't matter if it is made with hand soldered discrete transistors on a perf board.
as long as it preformed to my expectations, it wouldn't matter how it did so. of course, for a dacia to meet the expectations of a BMW... well, the basic functionality might be the same, but not the OTHER expectations.
but an alterra hardcopy with the announced stats vs a true full custom ASIC with the stats? i really don't see the difference. course based on what i've read around these forums, i gather those stats wouldn't be possibly with a hardcopy.
Why is that important? What does it matter to you?
If they supply a device which you are willing to pay for, it doesn't matter if it is made with hand soldered discrete transistors on a perf board.
If you buy a BMW and you will deliver a Dacia say the same?If they supply a device which you are willing to pay for, it doesn't matter if it is made with hand soldered discrete transistors on a perf board.
aTg,
Dacia is a very good car!!!
Why is that important? What does it matter to you?
If they supply a device which you are willing to pay for, it doesn't matter if it is made with hand soldered discrete transistors on a perf board.
If you buy a BMW and you will deliver a Dacia say the same?If they supply a device which you are willing to pay for, it doesn't matter if it is made with hand soldered discrete transistors on a perf board.
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