Topic: [ANN][SLR] SolarCoin | PoW to PoS v. 2.0 | Solar Proof of Generation (§1 = 1MWh) - page 243. (Read 466822 times)

Luke. firstly, super cool you are doing this.  Let us know how we can help.  Do you want solar installs? users? etc. Francois' and Marios' estimate 6m potential claimants, which is a number that is growing fast.  I have CC:d others building sites in N&S America and Europe who may provide their estimates for market sizing and their own goals. 

Let it rain paper wallets with solarcoin in them to the crowd. It sounds funny but seriouse would be a good idea / Attention getter.

Hi all,

We have a lot going on under the hood for solcrypto.

Firstly, a way to make generators display that they have produced X many SLR. Talking to 2 manufacturers to be their distributers of these specialist pieces of equipment.
Secondly, making apps for the site.

Thirdly, SLUSH Asia pitching contest. http://asia.slush.org/ in Tokyo on April 24th. We will describe Solcrypto, but it also requires an amazing and easy to understand description of SolarCoin.

Community- we value your expert opinion so much: PLEASE send (1) useful (2) and timely suggestions for the slush asia pitch.

a) Current market size (global)
b) Future market size (global) and then per region (Europe, USA, Asia and ROTW)
c) Other ideas

Thanks,
yours in the light
-lfloorwalker

I agree with you 100% that we should also be distributing coins to PV generators, however something tells me that there are already way too many coins on the market to simply fix this issue by distributing coins to those who claim solar.

I am NOT saying that we should simply burn coins, I am saying that we should add the burn strategy ALONG with re-distributing mined coins to those who actually capture solar energy.... This way the coins would increase in value, And also the number of individuals who hold the coins will increase as well and that would also increase the value. This isn't an all or nothing strategy, it is simply a short term fix to bump up the price a bit so we will have both solar investors AND solar users in the group because as of right now even the people I have talked to who own PV systems wouldn't care if I gave them 1,000,000 coins because the coins arent worth jack squat.


If you want to bring more claimants into the space the coin must be worth some money so the claimants will actually have a reason to claim, otherwise they will not care enough to even download the wallet or visit the website because it is a complete waste of time.

Everyone who cares about SLR should try to burn a few coins, distribute some coins to photovoltaic users, and also do a little bit of promotion as well... This would be a perfect trifecta to help skyrocket interest in general across the SLR space!!!   ( hope that makes sense  )

Correct me if i am wrong, we are not supposed to distribute SLR  instead of reducing SLR What you suggest is to invert the goal of this project ; the 1st goal of this project is to support solar production , not to support solar investment, it s a plus for investors if it succeeds. This SLR coin is not like the other, i like it

I believe you misunderstand me, I'm not suggesting that people buy coins off the market and burn them, rather that they take some of the supply which they mined into existence in burns that instead.

Also, if you don't think that removing coins from a market wouldn't increase the price per coin then you clearly do not understand economics as an increase in rarity is also followed by an increase in price in any situation.

The less coins there are on the market, the closer each coin will be to pricing at the marginal cost of 1 MWh of captured PV power which is intended in its value.



I'll tell you what is not capitalistic and will not raise price, A whole bunch of people holding onto coins that they are only supposed to have through capturing photovoltaic energy when in fact all they have done is paid a few dollars war turned a few computers to a specific mining pool.

Go read up on economics or study any type of monetary policy and you will see that everything I've said is very true and it is not easy to argue against it so good luck with that.

Burning coins is not going to raise the price. Buy some and see if that works.

I forgot talk is cheap that would cost $

Explain to me how what I just described is not capitalistic? I just gave you a way to raise price thus making you money and also to eliminate coins which were distributed in a very non-capitalistic way in comparison with how the SLR coin is supposed to function.

Clearly you don't want to participate because you don't have the brass to do it just the same as most of the other people in this coin space, but that's okay just keep holding on to coins that you did not rightfully earned through caching solar and the value should magically appear on its own anyway right? 

Its called capitalism.

Soler is the new revulsion in our latest technology systems...

Give me one good reason why people shouldn't do this? Oh because you dont want to give up a small % of your precious coin that isnt worth jack sh#t?   

Lets not and say we did.

Do you want to know how you can raise the price of this coin without having to do anything drastic or make crazy changes to the coin itself?

>> DONATE SOME OF YOUR COINS BACK TO THE GENERATOR POOLS  << it is the only real way to publicly and verifiably burn/remove useless coins from the market, thus raising fiat pricing per coin left on the market.... this has only one outcome and that is to attract more public attention and resources.


Gen pool 1 address : 8Lv6jBL1AZ4Emdeaen8Q7aUp9XrJjChzRo
Gen pool 2 address : 8Kau7tve5QoGKNMHomDr2tHcAMmqUN2zYu


We all know that there have been about 33,000,000 coins handed out that have ZERO actual solar claims backing their existence… These coins are worth nothing and bring down the price because they don’t represent real value added to the system from real Solar participation as was intended by the coin's creators.

If all who read this decided to burn some of what they have mined/stored, prices would rise & that would solve MOST ISSUES >>>  decrease SLR supply = ^ price per coin = more claimants = more companies = more programmers = more media =  more actual public interest


Bottom line: Don’t be selfish, I have personally “burned” over 70k SLR in the gen pool to make up for what I mined and I know you can do the same. No one cares about anything but money so why not take some actions to raise the rarity of the coin and therefore bring more money to the table so others will get onboard instead of holding too many coins worth less than .004 cents each?

This is THE fastest and easiest way to attain growth, bar-none. Most other cryptos don't have this gen-pool option so it isn't something we see every day, but mark my words that if a large % of the mined coins were to end up back in the pool that would solve a lot of pricing issues and thus galvanize interest and growth. No one can steal or manipulate your coins if you donate to either of the authentic Solar Generator pools as those are public, those coins are just taken off the market and locked away for only Claimants to bring them out again through the proper 1MWH = 1SLR method... end of story!!!!


Got a better or more simple idea you can implement system-wide? I doubt it  

We are only 1 year in give it time just like bitcoin took years. Best part yet solar hasn't even had a pump and dump yet fun times ahead.

Reading this article, I think we should be more excited about being able to measure SolarCoin generation from a small integrated measurement chips with Moore's law 3.0.
Similarly, Swanson's law http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swanson%27s_law applies to Solar Energy production costs in a similar way to how Moore's Law 1.0 and 2.0 worked.

FYI - 50 years - in Electronics:
http://spectrum.ieee.org/semiconductors/processors/the-multiple-lives-of-moores-law

I tried to help this coin.

What you really need to say is... "In 40 Years Solar Coin will Replace FIAT / Money / BitCoin!" Then only time will tell and that would be the only time SLR will work at all, when it doesn't leave the SLR economy as BitCoin.

Example of Solar Coin Model:

1. Own Solar Equipment= You Pay $ for your equipment lets say $20,000 and put it on your roof. (Who Made Who scenario since you could buy SLR and use SLR to buy Solar but you are buying with BitCoin, and if you don't own BitCoin you have to buy BitCoin with FIAT to pay for SLR and then use the SLR to buy the Solar Panels). This will be the same amount but take many more steps just to BUY your SLR coin. When people can just go BUY Solar Panels and Claim Credits.
2. Solar reduces your costs as it feeds back to the Grid= You save a percentage based on Output of your Solar Panels= ROI (Return On Investment) This is why you bought your Solar Panels in the first place. Since it costs money it must make money for you.
3. Claim your Credits of SLR= This doesn't matter what the amount is but whatever it is to be enough to entice people to claim them.
4. Claim creates More Coin vs Cost per coin creating less worth. If you have 33,000,000 coins at .00002345 and suddenly now there are 100,000,000 supply your market cap is lower not higher. This means each share you hold is worth less not more. But that is based on demand from buyers.

You can choose 3 options at this point 5A. 5B. 5C.
5A. Sell your claimed SLR to BitCoin and pay back some of your ROI on the solar panel purchase.
5B. Buy Something with the coins=Merchant transaction=Sells to BitCoin again.
5C. Hold your coin until you either sell it or buy something with it.

6. 5A and 5B causes sell off requires demand for people buying. 5C creates the same as 5A and 5B but waits to make the most bang for the buck.

Even if you gave away Solar Panels for people to buy them with SLR, the Merchants in your economy would be forced to Sell the SLR they accepted for their products going back to BitCoin to pay their employees or their rent.

Lets take that Island of 1,500 people as an example, they are solar powered, they have already paid for their Solar by Selling Stamps. Now you give them SLR for their Solar Output. They decide each person wants to buy Groceries with SLR. They take their SLR to the Grocer and the Grocer puts all the SLR that he gets into a Safe each day. Soon after a few months the Grocer owns all of the SLR but more gets generated each month. So the Grocer now takes all of that SLR too.

What does the Grocer do with all of this SLR? The people need food but they don't have to work to get the SLR so he can't even pay them SLR to get them to do anything for him. Yet the grocer still accepts SLR and in 40 years the grocer now holds the islands massive pool of generated SLR and decides to finally do something with the SLR. It is 98,000,000,000 total. The grocer tries to sell SLR to other countries, yet those countries say we can not order goods from your store since you are on an Island and costs to ship are high. But we will buy from you for .00000002 take it or leave it.

Well this angers the grocer, and the grocer says I gave all my food away for 40 years and you will only give me .00000002 per coin? No one else in the world gives the grocer a better offer so he takes it, anything is better than nothing. So the grocer now has enough money to buy the Sports Car of his dreams and a huge mansion on the hill. Finally this is what that guy y_virtual on BitCoinTalk.org was talking about!!!  The Grocer is living the SLR Dream!!!

Now the country that bought the 98B SLR owns all of it, other than what is generated every month by claims. So they devise a plan, now that they own all of the SLR, where they can exploit the Islands natural resources. They took all of the debt from the Grocer and now buy all of his goods with the SLR being that it is the only currency he takes for the entire island. The Island panics as all of the food is gone!

To save costs the company that bought the 98B SLR just opens a huge warehouse on the island and raise the prices in SLR to sell products back to the island. They do this until they put the Grocer out of business and take over. The Grocer doesn't care either since he has a Mansion and Sports Car and he can also afford to buy food from the country who owns all the SLR. Now the costs of food are more than what the Islanders can generate about 10Million SLR for shaved ice and a fish taco. So the Country that put the Grocer out of business, puts the Islanders to work and pays them with the SLR he bought for .00000002. The Islanders are outraged! But they could starve so they go and work.

The Island is now forced to become industrialized and they need more power so they install Nuclear Reactors for Power to build military products and forge steel with huge foundries.  

Suddenly all of the Islanders say forget it, we can just go back to selling stamps and they lick the problem once and for all.

+3!

At least show up out of nowhere in here and try to show some human decency and respect.  You're basically calling every person that has ever supported this project and idiot, all while you work SO hard to try and sound intelligent?!

Sure as the hell seems like a planned and collaborated attack to me, which if correct....makes you not only idiots yourselves.....but also indecent, disrespectful jerks!

http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2015/03/29/interest-in-bitcoin-grows-on-wall-street/