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Quote from: ghibly79 on April 07, 2014, 06:18:20 PM

Maybe you are right about the risk, but (omg.... again.... ) the point is legit devs aren't try to hide the risk making you believe the opposite and bla bla bla all the other things. That's what scammer devs do and end up getting tagged.

That's IF he's a scammer. Why can you not accept that he may be telling 100% truth?

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Quote from: hucker on April 07, 2014, 06:13:57 PM

Quote from: ghibly79 on April 07, 2014, 05:41:25 PM

Ofc, that's what I said: big trust issues involved. You are taking the risk with big companies, not with a nobody anonymous new member, who is acting shady to begin with (puts up a Ponzi as first action, answers "nobody is holding anything" when someone rises doubts about his "exchange", which ofc is false).

And, to remark once more, this problem is a plus, the system being a ponzi worded as secure investment is enough of a scam and the reason for my negative.

Probably no more risky than investing in any other coin.

And you really ought to try some pharmaceuticals that they won't give you in a pharmacy. Your mood is too serious.

Maybe you are right about the risk, but (omg.... again.... ) the point is legit devs aren't try to hide the risk making you believe the opposite and bla bla bla all the other things. That's what scammer devs do and end up getting tagged.

Maybe I'll take your advice about drugs, having to repeat the same obvious point for like 10 times is getting to me Wink

Out, going to get some of that good stuff you mentioned.

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Quote from: ghibly79 on April 07, 2014, 05:41:25 PM

Ofc, that's what I said: big trust issues involved. You are taking the risk with big companies, not with a nobody anonymous new member, who is acting shady to begin with (puts up a Ponzi as first action, answers "nobody is holding anything" when someone rises doubts about his "exchange", which ofc is false).

And, to remark once more, this problem is a plus, the system being a ponzi worded as secure investment is enough of a scam and the reason for my negative.

Probably no more risky than investing in any other coin.

And you really ought to try some pharmaceuticals that they won't give you in a pharmacy. Your mood is too serious.

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Quote from: ghibly79 on April 07, 2014, 06:03:48 PM

Just my personal hate vs scammers: they make everything harder for everyone dwelling in this community.

And for the last time (then even a die hard arguer like me is giving up xD): the point is not if the coin will succeed or not, or if some are making a profit or not.
A fraud can succeed and even go on for a long time and some people may profit (definetly the dev will, for example xD xD) but it's still a fraud, manipulating people into thinking it's a surefire investement (some will realize, like you, many will not, or even won't believe until too late).

And the proposer of a fraud is a scammer, and gets the deserved tag (this was the central point of the "flame").
Then you are free to try to ride the ponzi, or whatever you want.

Too late for me, the milk is spilt! Cheesy

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Just my personal hate vs scammers: they make everything harder for everyone dwelling in this community.

And for the last time (then even a die hard arguer like me is giving up xD): the point is not if the coin will succeed or not, or if some are making a profit or not.
A fraud can succeed and even go on for a long time and some people may profit (definetly the dev will, for example xD xD) but it's still a fraud, manipulating people into thinking it's a surefire investement (some will realize, like you, many will not, or even won't believe until too late).

And the proposer of a fraud is a scammer, and gets the deserved tag (this was the central point of the "flame").
Then you are free to try to ride the ponzi, or whatever you want.

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such hate. many arguments. wow.

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Quote from: ghibly79 on April 07, 2014, 05:48:49 PM

Quote from: Rainer4256 on April 07, 2014, 05:45:37 PM

Betting 120$ is simply my business, whenever, wherever.

Agreed. Dev trying to scam people, however, is another matter and that's what led us tagging him. Not what you do with your money Wink

As for banks being a ponzi: some may agree some others not but that's totally OT as we are not discussing in a thread opened by some JP Morgan's ceo.

I don't know what is driving you to repeatedly warn the people of this coin. I presume your intents are honest.
But for my part, I'm not going to give this coin a bad rating IN ADVANCE. Let's see if it succeeds or fails. In the latter case I will rate it like you, be sure.

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Quote from: Rainer4256 on April 07, 2014, 05:45:37 PM

Betting 120$ is simply my business, whenever, wherever.

Agreed. Dev trying to scam people, however, is another matter and that's what led us tagging him. Not what you do with your money Wink

As for banks being a ponzi: some may agree some others not but that's totally OT as we are not discussing in a thread opened by some JP Morgan's ceo.

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Quote from: ghibly79 on April 07, 2014, 05:41:25 PM

Ofc, that's what I said: big trust issues involved. You are taking the risk with big companies, not with a nobody anonymous new member, who is acting shady to begin with (puts up a Ponzi as first action, answers "nobody is holding anything" when someone rises doubts about his "exchange", which ofc is false).

And, to remark once more, this problem is a plus, the system being a ponzi worded as secure investment is enough of a scam and the reason for my negative.

Isn't even the banking system a Ponzi? And ~90% of the people have a bank account? Betting 120$ is simply my business, whenever, wherever.

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Ofc, that's what I said: big trust issues involved. You are taking the risk with big companies, not with a nobody anonymous new member, who is acting shady to begin with (puts up a Ponzi as first action, answers "nobody is holding anything" when someone rises doubts about his "exchange", which ofc is false).

And, to remark once more, this problem is a plus, the system being a ponzi worded as secure investment is enough of a scam and the reason for my negative.

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Aren't all exchanges centralized?

Sure they are. But in this case the dev is trying to bring STD to another exchange, Bittrex.

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Quote from: ghibly79 on April 07, 2014, 05:15:13 PM

You (two) are missing the point, or pretending to: he's (trying to) deceive people to invest into a pretended secure investment, where you cannot lose. While it's not the case. This is the very definition of a Ponzi scheme.
His wording is clear.
All cryptos are risky investments, kind of gambling too if you want, but nobody is telling you "ehy invest in my coin cause you cannot lose, cause I invented a system where you cannot lose, nobody ever thought about that!" (which is ofc a joke, and a scammy claim).

If you realized it's actually just a gamble good for you, but this doesn't cancel out he's attempting to deceive people to scam them. And by the way judging from the replies, many people are not even realizing (or pretending not to..).

Moreover there is the centralized "exchange" owned solely by him and the big trust issue involved. But that's just a nice "plus" xD
Half of this is enough to give him plenty of negative feedbacks. That's why we gave him.

Aren't all exchanges centralized?

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Quote from: Rainer4256 on April 07, 2014, 05:23:06 PM

It isn't my first investment and it won't be my last one. I spent 120$ hoping for a profit. If I'm going to lose who cares?

I'm not trying to bash your bet (don't call it investment xD). You can go play all your money on Just-dice or the like if you want. The point is different, as explained thoroughly. I think it's enough for this round. See ya Wink

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It isn't my first investment and it won't be my last one. I spent 120$ hoping for a profit. If I'm going to lose who cares?

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You (two) are missing the point, or pretending to: he's (trying to) deceive people to invest into a pretended secure investment, where you cannot lose. While it's not the case. This is the very definition of a Ponzi scheme.
His wording is clear.
All cryptos are risky investments, kind of gambling too if you want, but nobody is telling you "ehy invest in my coin cause you cannot lose, cause I invented a system where you cannot lose, nobody ever thought about that!" (which is ofc a joke, and a scammy claim).

If you realized it's actually just a gamble good for you, but this doesn't cancel out he's attempting to deceive people to scam them. And by the way judging from the replies, many people are not even realizing (or pretending not to..).

Moreover there is the centralized "exchange" owned solely by him and the big trust issue involved. But that's just a nice "plus" xD
Half of this is enough to give him plenty of negative feedbacks. That's why we gave him.

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Quote from: Rainer4256 on April 07, 2014, 05:05:23 PM

Nobody forced me to invest. I'm fully responsible for either the wins and the losses. Most people here know what they are doing.

Agreed, someone on here needs to lighten up.

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Quote from: ghibly79 on April 07, 2014, 05:01:40 PM

P.s: And to clarify YES you can make a profit, like in all Ponzis, if you are not the last holding the bag, but it's GAMBLING and the risk should be made clear and the thread posted in the gambling section (there are some "legit" ponzis in the gambling section of this forum, in fact, where all of this is clearly stated).
Trying to pass a Ponzi gamble as a secure investement is a deceiving SCAM. Holding 100% of the premine and practically forcing to buy the coin directly from him only adds more shady layers to the scam.
Hope I have made it completely clear by now.

Nobody forced me to invest. I'm fully responsible for either the wins and the losses. Most people here know what they are doing.

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So where's the difference? Even in a free market prizes can rise and fall.

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P.s: And to clarify YES you can make a profit, like in all Ponzis, if you are not the last holding the bag, but it's GAMBLING and the risk should be made clear and the thread posted in the gambling section (there are some "legit" ponzis in the gambling section of this forum, in fact, where all of this is clearly stated. And in many cases owners of those games have run with the money at some point, not surprisingly, also).
Trying to pass a Ponzi gamble as a secure investement is a deceiving SCAM. Holding 100% of the (heavy) premine and practically forcing to buy the coin directly from him only adds more shady layers to the scam.
Hope I've made it completely clear by now.

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Quote from: Rainer4256 on April 07, 2014, 04:44:43 PM

I just gave it a try. If the coin succeeds I'll take the profit. If it flops I can easiy afford it. That's trading.

Wrong: trading is free market, price can rise AND drop and you are exchanging coins peer to peer, nobody is holding your btc to buy back someday, using investors money to artificially keep the price high (as long as new investors come, if not... boom).

BIG difference.

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