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Quote from: pnoch on October 11, 2017, 12:56:50 PM

Dear all,

vTorrent dev contacted me that they are having difficulties logging into this forum since they are working in Korea/China weeks ago.

And for some reason, the email linked to the account have been changed.

So during this time, please don't trust any PMs or messages post by 'vtorrent' account.

If anyone need to contact the dev team, please email them directly at [email protected]

Cheers,
pnoch

edit: I never started any ICOs, and my recommendation is to stay clear from any new ICOs related to torrent (or file-sharing) especially those claiming to have near finish product.

Ok thanks for the information.

What's the status of this project then?

I emailed him several months ago on that exact email address and never got any form of response. He hasn't posted here, he hasn't responded to any PMs, no one knows what the hell is going on with this project.

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Dear all,

vTorrent dev contacted me that they are having difficulties logging into this forum since they are working in Korea/China weeks ago.

And for some reason, the email linked to the account have been changed.

So during this time, please don't trust any PMs or messages post by 'vtorrent' account.

If anyone need to contact the dev team, please email them directly at [email protected]

Cheers,
pnoch

edit: I never started any ICOs, and my recommendation is to stay clear from any new ICOs related to torrent (or file-sharing) especially those claiming to have near finish product.

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Quote from: DogTheHunter on October 11, 2017, 10:27:23 AM

Quote from: ik_do on October 11, 2017, 09:35:43 AM

Quote from: DogTheHunter on October 11, 2017, 09:06:26 AM

Quote from: ik_do on October 11, 2017, 07:01:36 AM

Just an FYI that I'm available on slack most of the time and you can also PM me through the forums if you wish.

ETH > ETC
BTC > BCH

VTR > WTR

Please create your own thread and otherwise, best of luck. I look forward to holding two sets of coins from the fork. One or both might be worth something.

Bye.

As stated in the above post I'm waiting until things have settled down before doing anything myself.

This is great news.

You're going to fork-off.

Even if you don't, which I really hope you do, we'll hear the end of this artificial FUD storm that's impacted confidence and the price recently. And evidently the increased emails and DMs have pissed off the dev enough to remove his email address. Something he did before when there was a commotion and when it died down he put his email back so people with genuine support requests could get in contact with him.

Like I said, bye bye.

Actually, this is an unmoderated thread, so even if the VTR dev disagreed with what I'm posting he can't really do much about it.
Also, his email address (from what I know) was never removed, there was speculation that it was, but when you view profiles when not logged-in it doesn't show the email address. I could be wrong on that point, however, I don't recall this ever being confirmed.

"You're going to fork-off."
Quite a nice play on words, however, I suggest you re-read what I wrote. It may not be a fork as you expect even if something does happen.

If the dev were around and actively doing or saying anything then I'd be more polite and considerate about posting on this same thread all the time, but with the current status of this project I will continue to post here until there is some game plan going forward. There won't be another thread until we reach that time.

Please also note the number of other people who are agreeing with your sentiment about what I've posted so far. You're obviously free to do and say as you please, and I can understand your reasons for doing so, but I sincerely hope you're not being as monumentally naive as you sound right now about this.

It's also very important to comprehend how divisive things are getting right now without the developer's response. Any developer with an actual interest in their own project would be immediately acting to clear the air.

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Quote from: ik_do on October 11, 2017, 09:35:43 AM

Quote from: DogTheHunter on October 11, 2017, 09:06:26 AM

Quote from: ik_do on October 11, 2017, 07:01:36 AM

Just an FYI that I'm available on slack most of the time and you can also PM me through the forums if you wish.

ETH > ETC
BTC > BCH

VTR > WTR

Please create your own thread and otherwise, best of luck. I look forward to holding two sets of coins from the fork. One or both might be worth something.

Bye.

As stated in the above post I'm waiting until things have settled down before doing anything myself.

This is great news.

You're going to fork-off.

Even if you don't, which I really hope you do, we'll hear the end of this artificial FUD storm that's impacted confidence and the price recently. And evidently the increased emails and DMs have pissed off the dev enough to remove his email address. Something he did before when there was a commotion and when it died down he put his email back so people with genuine support requests could get in contact with him.

Like I said, bye bye.

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Quote from: DogTheHunter on October 11, 2017, 09:06:26 AM

Quote from: ik_do on October 11, 2017, 07:01:36 AM

Just an FYI that I'm available on slack most of the time and you can also PM me through the forums if you wish.

ETH > ETC
BTC > BCH

VTR > WTR

Please create your own thread and otherwise, best of luck. I look forward to holding two sets of coins from the fork. One or both might be worth something.

Bye.

As stated in the above post I'm waiting until things have settled down before doing anything myself.

I would express strongly upon you and anyone else thinking this is the greatest news since sliced bread in practicing caution with all of your investments and never investing more than you're willing to lose. Especially when it comes to cryptocurrency. This is your own responsibility and no one else's so I am just trying to provide the same advice I do to anyone.

To spell it out very, very clearly:
There is no promise or guarantee that anything will happen with the current dev.
There is no promise or guarantee that anything will happen to 'fork' this project to a new development team.
There is no promise or guarantee that anything that does happen will guarantee anyone a chainswap or similar; the mechanism by which the project could move forward (which again, is not promised or guaranteed at all) may or may not involve a chain swap. It may be an effort to take over the current project and current blockchain and 'continue' development from then onwards, it may be an effort to create a new project from the existing chain (i.e. a hardfork). But most importantly I want to impress upon you and anyone else who is excited that it may be nothing.
There is no promise or guarantee that even if anything did happen that the community would agree to it.
There is no promise or guarantee that some other project won't come along in 6.3 minutes time and deliver a fully working project with the same ideas/scope.
There is no promise or guarantee that this project or any other will remain listed or be guaranteed listing on any exchange.

Everything is up in the air, everything is subject to question and nothing at all is set in stone.

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Quote from: ik_do on October 11, 2017, 07:01:36 AM

Just an FYI that I'm available on slack most of the time and you can also PM me through the forums if you wish.

ETH > ETC
BTC > BCH

VTR > WTR

Please create your own thread and otherwise, best of luck. I look forward to holding two sets of coins from the fork. One or both might be worth something.

Bye.

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Quote from: hughbt on October 11, 2017, 08:18:29 AM

Ask pnoch... ohh wait he is not going to answer. Probably sold his code and made quick buck.

Yeah, let's name, shame and otherwise defame, like that is really going to make people want to work for you - for free.

Idiot. You're just helping to nail the coffin shut.

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Ask pnoch... ohh wait he is not going to answer. Probably sold his code and made quick buck.

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Everything's a bubble, idiot

Doesn't make sense to switch from your own chain with privacy features to the ethereum network. Dev's skills are in Bitcoin, not Eth.

Also that project has only 50 eth invested, so I wouldn't be too excited. What are they going to do with that?

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Quote from: CoinFarmer on October 10, 2017, 09:26:21 PM

Very confident. We are on track and fully expect to have the alpha/beta versions of the app released this year into the new year, with the official release planned for early-mid next year.

They came out of nowhere and supposedly have the client ready.

Quote from: CoinFarmer on October 08, 2017, 11:44:39 PM

Quote from: temple on October 06, 2017, 02:13:09 AM

I think it was a no brainer that someone goes for decentralized file sharing, but there is likely other projects trying to do this to or not? Apart from that, your success over time probably depends a lot on Ethereum's success over time in terms of scaling correct?

There are currently no other projects trying to do this right now, we are unique . In terms of scaling, we're not too concerned that the Ethereum devs will take care of it. Token transactions can be completed very quickly even right now with all the projects out there.

Dev knows best because now he is working for upfiring.

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I love this vaporware!

Sold my 200k VTR almost at top price wich I purchased back in 2015. Thanks!

Good luck guys Cool

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Hello all,
Today (11th October, 2017) at approximately 10:30 AM UTC the developer (username: vtorrent) logged in for a period of approximately 11 minutes.

During this time he changed his bitcointalk profile to hide his email address from public appearance (email address is [email protected]). Besides this change to their profile (which has been confirmed by multiple independent members of the VTR slack) they did not post any updates or respond to any private messages (to the best of my knowledge). It doesn't appear they edited the announcement post either.

Further to my previous post (link) I'm still in active discussion with numerous people who have been following this project. There is so far no clear decision or path forward, however, given the current events it is my ambition that we come to some form of consensus about how to move this project forward without the current developer who appears to have abandoned the project.

At this time I would kindly ask the community the following:

Please try to keep the discussion civil, sometimes things just happen. This is obviously not an ideal situation for anyone, some of us had true hope that this project would release one day and some people have invested a large amount of money and time in the hope that they'd make a return on their investment.
In the cryptocurrency space, this isn't a rare occurrence, numerous projects have had major setbacks by developers abandoning projects, having health/real life issues and so on. The world is an imperfect place, the main thing we should focus on is trying to work our best (if you agree of course) with trying to salvage what we can.
Please keep an eye out for any torrent projects that pop up as this would be of interest for not only the obvious reasons (i.e. dev running away and setting up another project) but also may be of interest from a technological perspective.

At the moment I am personally just taking on the role of a kind of spokesperson to try and do something with this project. I can't speak officially for the dev or the current project. I also am apprehensive to take on the full role of working with the future of this project, for sure I'd like to play a part in some sort of advisory role and invest money in development (depending on game plan and primarily depending on market conditions) but this would be a team effort. It would also require a significant amount of patience from everyone. There will be things that take time, effort and funds and like all projects in the cryptocurrency space there are no promises or guarantees in any way/shape/form.

Just an FYI that I'm available on slack most of the time and you can also PM me through the forums if you wish.

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I am human

This project has a lot of potential, I will watch it closely.
Nice work!

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Quote from: DogTheHunter on October 11, 2017, 03:25:30 AM

Quote from: vtorrent on May 29, 2017, 07:22:47 PM

Dear all,

This project is indeed still being actively developed.

Due to nature of BitTorrent sharing, we have been experimenting with the possibility of migrating ZEC's zero-knowledge to VTR core to improve users anonymity and try to do without needing of reseting the current chain.

vTorrent 0.9.1z will be the first version to incorporate the zero-knowledge protocol and if resetting the chain is needed, there could possibly be a fork of vTorrent-Classic running by community keeping the 0.8.x chain.

There are some other plan along with this new chain, which is still being in discussion in our team.

Regards,
vTorrent

The dev actually responded positively to the classic idea.

Buy one, get one free.

I'm personally totally welcome to the dev showing up right about now and giving his 2 cents on a chainswap/project redirection.

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Quote from: Big Naturals on October 10, 2017, 09:44:56 PM

Quote from: coins101 on May 28, 2017, 09:57:55 AM

@Dev

Just so you are aware, when JoyStream goes open source, we'll be forking it and merging it with vTorrent coin holders.

There is a developer that is happy to maintain the new chain.

The new JoyStream fork will not be building new functionality. It will be a "JoyStrem Classic" which will keep up with JoyStream releases and just merge changes as and when they are open sourced.

We'll probably have the same number of coins as vTorrent. Anyone who has VTR's can claim the same number of JoyStream Classic coins.

JoyStream Classic will likely be a PoW coin, but we'll wait and see.

JoyStream themselves are focused on Bitcoin, so we are not competing with them on Bitcoin payments.

If at some point after the first 6 to 12 months, people want to actively develop the JoyStream Classic coin, we'll pick that up as a discussion point in the future.

* We are not forking vTorrent.
* We are not changing anything to do with vTorrent
* We are not competing with vTorrent
* JoyStream Classic is not going to be the final name
* As people who own vTorrent VTR coins will get to redeem the same number of JoyStream Classic coins, we are not competing with vTorrent.
* There is no ICO

JoyStream has said they are going open source, so someone will clone it, might as well be vTorrent holders.

PM if you want to coordinate anything on this idea. We'd like to discuss adding 2FA into JoyStream Classic as a separate side project. Also PM if you have any concerns and would rather we didn't do this.

If anyone else thinks its a bad idea and would rather we didn't do this, please come and have a chat in Slack, where we've been discussing it. Or you can PM me.

Just to confirm, nothing - repeat - nothing will happen to vTorrent and no-one is taking over vTorrent.

If people don't want to claim free JoyStream Classic coins, we'll give them to the JoyStream Classic maintainer and to the vTorrent devs.

So now everyone in this thread can wait for vTorrent to release torrents and JoyStream to release torrents.

I'm not doing anything beyond advising as Helium is my priority. But as it will be a simple fork, there is not much to do.

Is the JoyStream clone idea still a possibility?

At the moment everything is a possibility. All options are being considered and I'd invite everyone to suggest any bright ideas right about now too.

In terms of JoyStream, my own personal opinion is that due to them attempting to use the Bitcoin Blockchain for transactions it is unlikely to see wide success even if/when they launch. I'd say most likely they'll end up doing an ICO or launching some form of token or using a different network, purely based on the current Bitcoin network transaction fees. Could be wrong, but that's the only way I'm seeing for them to move forward.

That doesn't discount it as any sort of option, that's just my opinion on it. Because of the high transaction fee nature of Bitcoin it could actually make it a more attractive option.

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Quote from: vtorrent on May 29, 2017, 07:22:47 PM

Dear all,

This project is indeed still being actively developed.

Due to nature of BitTorrent sharing, we have been experimenting with the possibility of migrating ZEC's zero-knowledge to VTR core to improve users anonymity and try to do without needing of reseting the current chain.

vTorrent 0.9.1z will be the first version to incorporate the zero-knowledge protocol and if resetting the chain is needed, there could possibly be a fork of vTorrent-Classic running by community keeping the 0.8.x chain.

There are some other plan along with this new chain, which is still being in discussion in our team.

Regards,
vTorrent

The dev actually responded positively to the classic idea.

Buy one, get one free.

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Two coins for the price of one Grin

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Quote from: coins101 on May 28, 2017, 09:57:55 AM

@Dev

Just so you are aware, when JoyStream goes open source, we'll be forking it and merging it with vTorrent coin holders.

There is a developer that is happy to maintain the new chain.

The new JoyStream fork will not be building new functionality. It will be a "JoyStrem Classic" which will keep up with JoyStream releases and just merge changes as and when they are open sourced.

We'll probably have the same number of coins as vTorrent. Anyone who has VTR's can claim the same number of JoyStream Classic coins.

JoyStream Classic will likely be a PoW coin, but we'll wait and see.

JoyStream themselves are focused on Bitcoin, so we are not competing with them on Bitcoin payments.

If at some point after the first 6 to 12 months, people want to actively develop the JoyStream Classic coin, we'll pick that up as a discussion point in the future.

* We are not forking vTorrent.
* We are not changing anything to do with vTorrent
* We are not competing with vTorrent
* JoyStream Classic is not going to be the final name
* As people who own vTorrent VTR coins will get to redeem the same number of JoyStream Classic coins, we are not competing with vTorrent.
* There is no ICO

JoyStream has said they are going open source, so someone will clone it, might as well be vTorrent holders.

PM if you want to coordinate anything on this idea. We'd like to discuss adding 2FA into JoyStream Classic as a separate side project. Also PM if you have any concerns and would rather we didn't do this.

If anyone else thinks its a bad idea and would rather we didn't do this, please come and have a chat in Slack, where we've been discussing it. Or you can PM me.

Just to confirm, nothing - repeat - nothing will happen to vTorrent and no-one is taking over vTorrent.

If people don't want to claim free JoyStream Classic coins, we'll give them to the JoyStream Classic maintainer and to the vTorrent devs.

So now everyone in this thread can wait for vTorrent to release torrents and JoyStream to release torrents.

I'm not doing anything beyond advising as Helium is my priority. But as it will be a simple fork, there is not much to do.

Is the JoyStream clone idea still a possibility?

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Ok so news update time:
The dev logged in two or three times during prior to the deadline and didn't say a word on this thread or any other thread. He didn't answer any PMs (of which I'm aware).

This for all intents and purposes, from what I can understand, has no interest/ability in taking this project forward any further. I'd love to be wrong, but at the end of the day I'm just calling a spade a spade.

In the meantime, there have been a few discussions about using the same blockchain with a different developer and/or doing something different with this project. There is no solid news/information/promises there so there's nothing to share just yet.

I'm waiting to have further discussions with other parties over the coming weeks and hope to have an update. Most likely in November depending on how things go.

Sorry that we didn't get better news from this, but it at least lets us know what the actual status of this dev is. If he doesn't even want to pop up and say a single word (not even to pop up and tell me to go fuck myself) then we can see that he's probably never going to update us for the rest of eternity.

Moving on, I'm declaring myself the official spokesperson of the vTorrent project and seeing as the dev isn't going to come back anytime soon and dispute that my declaration is worth solid gold.

So to reiterate/FAQ:

Is the vTorrent project 'abandoned'?
The current dev appears to have no interest in updating us in any way/shape/form despite efforts to push him to do this. There is an effort to perhaps try and find another developer or development team and move the project forward using the same blockchain but no longer being dependent on the current dev.

All things considered, what does the current vTorrent client actually contain?
The vTorrent wallet is based off ShadowCoin and as such has some anonymity features as well as PoS. It has a 2FA feature that is closed source. It has no torrent features and no one that we are aware of was ever given access to any of the torrent features. The wallet contains no code directly pertaining to BitTorrent or file sharing.

What was the dev's roadmap?
The dev aimed to incorporate many features into the wallet including chat (based off riot.im), BitTorrent (namely pricing files based upon bandwidth), and in-wallet trading. He/she aimed to make the wallet a one-stop-shop / ecosystem for users who could download vTorrent and start using it with no expert cryptocurrency knowledge

What was the dev's schedule?
The dev said he was going to release a wallet soon quite a few months ago. In the time since then a lot has happened in the cryptocurrency scene including ShadowCash closing down, the Bitcoin hardfork etc. He never released this wallet

What evidence is there that there is actually a wallet that we just don't have access to?
There is a node running vTorrent 0.8.2.1 which is hosted on a Thai IP address that often shows up on the network. It is currently online, however, again no one has actual access to this wallet.

What complications would be involved with a chainswap?
We would need to discuss at length and also agree upon a newer kind of project to base this on. The dev did mention zCash at one point as being a potential option for this, but it would still need to be discussed.

But you can't do this! the dev is going to come back tomorrow
The dev has been given every opportunity and a huge amount of patience to deliver any kind of update. At the moment we're going on 3 years and have a wallet that has nothing

What about the dev's premine?
There was something like a 3% premine for the project that was intended as a bounty to anyone who could deliver a "Torrent on Blockchain" concept before the dev. This never happened.

Well surely someone out there must've made a BitTorrent/Bitcoin project, it's the most obvious project to do!!!
The only competing project which directly relates to BitTorrent on Blockchain is JoyStream which hasn't been updated in many months. They have investors and staff working on it however there is no clearly defined timeframe stating when they will deliver. As it is currently reliant on the Bitcoin blockchain it would also be a prohibatively expensive idea when it comes to thousands of small transactions. Beyond this there are no other projects. Kim.com's project uses other technologies and not specifically BitTorrent.

Ok, so what's the plan?
At the moment a few people who have been following this project for quite some time (myself included) are going to start discussing the possibilities of what we can do with the project. I've personally written off any idea of the dev returning or updating us at this point although I do not and cannot speak for anyone else. These discussions are going to take place over the coming weeks and I would hope to have an update or gameplan together before the end of the year at the latest. To be clear: there is no clear gameplan right now, there are no promises, its just a discussion with an aim of doing something with this project.

Ok, so you're going to be the boss of this project then?
No, at the moment there are no clearly defined roles for anything. I would probably invest some money in development (depending on how the current cryptocurency market goes) and give suggestions/thoughts, but there is no clear 'team'. I'm just acting as a spokesperson and trying to give everyone a clear idea of where we at when our developer doesn't seem to think its important.

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Quote from: cinogrin on October 09, 2017, 08:46:55 PM

Quote from: ik_do on October 09, 2017, 05:21:26 PM

There is a possibility of finding another developer and continuing this project with the same chain but making the previous dev a distant memory, however, there's nothing set in stone about that just yet. I'll be talking to a few of the people on slack and seeing what we can do.

I'm open to contributing towards a development fund depending on which way we proceed forward which would only be something that can be worked on in the next while. This of course assumes the dev doesn't pop up again and even say a hi or send a PM to anyone.

That's a much more reasonable position compared to an online petition declaring the project dead, and much more likely to have your intended result one way or another.

Well it's easy to call it reasonable now that the dev hasn't appeared or said a single word. Without trying to force him we would still be without any answer.

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