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Topic: [ANN][XCP] Counterparty - Pioneering Peer-to-Peer Finance - Official Thread - page 246. (Read 1276789 times)

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Announcement: Over the past few weeks, we've been doing a lot of work on the fee algorithm that Counterparty uses, and now transactions are effectively much cheaper than before. In particular, 'send' transactions can store all of their Counterparty metadata in a 40-byte OP_RETURN output, and you can now specify the exact fees paid for each transaction, as well as the default fee-per-KB amount, dust sizes, and so on. Multi-sig outputs need not be used, so no difficult-to-spend funds need to be sent back to your self at all.

This transaction is an example of a modern send transaction that cost only US $0.01 in fees, with a $0.03 output to the destination. It was constructed and broadcast with the following command: counterpartyd.py send --source=SOURCE --destination=DEST --quantity=1 --asset=XCP --encoding='opreturn' --fee=.00002, and it was confirmed almost immediately. If you're moving lots of assets around, or sending one asset to many users, you can use this script to automate the process and keep costs as low as possible.

So we are less likely now to be kicked out of Bitcoin protocol by its devs?

That was never a possibility.

Congratulations and just wowza. Impressed. Will be experimenting with this ASAP. Thank you Counterparty Team!
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Nice project.  Well done. Grin Huh
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Just wanted to let you all know that we now have an official Swarm thread.

Although I'll continue to check here from time to time I'd strongly recommend putting your specifically Swarm-related questions over on the Swarm thread for the sake of reducing clutter.

That said, there are a lot of counterparty related projects that we still want to push forward and want to hear ideas re: what the community sees as the highest priority.



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Announcement: Over the past few weeks, we've been doing a lot of work on the fee algorithm that Counterparty uses, and now transactions are effectively much cheaper than before. In particular, 'send' transactions can store all of their Counterparty metadata in a 40-byte OP_RETURN output, and you can now specify the exact fees paid for each transaction, as well as the default fee-per-KB amount, dust sizes, and so on. Multi-sig outputs need not be used, so no difficult-to-spend funds need to be sent back to your self at all.

This transaction is an example of a modern send transaction that cost only US $0.01 in fees, with a $0.03 output to the destination. It was constructed and broadcast with the following command: counterpartyd.py send --source=SOURCE --destination=DEST --quantity=1 --asset=XCP --encoding='opreturn' --fee=.00002, and it was confirmed almost immediately. If you're moving lots of assets around, or sending one asset to many users, you can use this script to automate the process and keep costs as low as possible.

Excellent news!

Is this already implemented in counterwallet ?
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So we are less likely now to be kicked out of Bitcoin protocol by its devs?

Counterparty was, and is fully safe. It was misinformation, FUD and sensationalist reporting.
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Announcement: Over the past few weeks, we've been doing a lot of work on the fee algorithm that Counterparty uses, and now transactions are effectively much cheaper than before. In particular, 'send' transactions can store all of their Counterparty metadata in a 40-byte OP_RETURN output, and you can now specify the exact fees paid for each transaction, as well as the default fee-per-KB amount, dust sizes, and so on. Multi-sig outputs need not be used, so no difficult-to-spend funds need to be sent back to your self at all.

This transaction is an example of a modern send transaction that cost only US $0.01 in fees, with a $0.03 output to the destination. It was constructed and broadcast with the following command: counterpartyd.py send --source=SOURCE --destination=DEST --quantity=1 --asset=XCP --encoding='opreturn' --fee=.00002, and it was confirmed almost immediately. If you're moving lots of assets around, or sending one asset to many users, you can use this script to automate the process and keep costs as low as possible.

So we are less likely now to be kicked out of Bitcoin protocol by its devs?

That was never a possibility.
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Announcement: Over the past few weeks, we've been doing a lot of work on the fee algorithm that Counterparty uses, and now transactions are effectively much cheaper than before. In particular, 'send' transactions can store all of their Counterparty metadata in a 40-byte OP_RETURN output, and you can now specify the exact fees paid for each transaction, as well as the default fee-per-KB amount, dust sizes, and so on. Multi-sig outputs need not be used, so no difficult-to-spend funds need to be sent back to your self at all.

This transaction is an example of a modern send transaction that cost only US $0.01 in fees, with a $0.03 output to the destination. It was constructed and broadcast with the following command: counterpartyd.py send --source=SOURCE --destination=DEST --quantity=1 --asset=XCP --encoding='opreturn' --fee=.00002, and it was confirmed almost immediately. If you're moving lots of assets around, or sending one asset to many users, you can use this script to automate the process and keep costs as low as possible.

So we are less likely now to be kicked out of Bitcoin protocol by its devs?
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Swarm

What about just referring to Counterparty as a platform for building p2p financial products on top of?

Then you can talk about the various examples (i.e. show don't tell).
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Just collecting basic answers and facts for OP or for a wiki.
Please modify, erase, complete, and help !

The 1st post on thread and homepage on website should have EASY TO UNDERSTAND paragraphs on each below:

1) What is counterparty ? [ in tech and easy speak]

For people who are dissatisfied with centralized financial solutions and institutions, Counterparty is a peer-to-peer financial market which provides a medium for secure transactions that do not require a trusted third party. Unlike Wall Street, we have assembled a free to use software platform that allows everyone access to financial instruments that were previously cost prohibitive or not available.

eg. A



eg. B



eg. C


2) Why should I be interested in counterparty ? [with real and potential simple examples]

Non economical / Fundamentals :
+ top devs (competent, publicly known AND totally honnests, remember how they handled losts, paid from their own pockets)
+ unique technology,
+ First Proof of Burn, means the most fair and optimized distribution, with no instamine or premine possible
+ gigantic market (Assets, CFD...)
+ unique community,
+ betting function, betting site perfectly working : xbet.io,
+ No direct competitors
+ Private
+ blockscan
+ Code inspected by XXX

Financial
+ Only 2M coins. It will never rise (On the contrary with burnings for assets)
+ XCP is already a success and already made 4X
+ First big IPO with Swarm - X,000 BTC
+ X assets, and growing. List of (real) assets here :
+ Trading with XCP on the distributed exchange is (and always will be) cheaper and 700 % faster than with BTC
+ You can use only XCP for making bets, CFDs and asset callbacks. Forthcoming complex features and financial instruments will also likely be restricted to denomination in XCP.
+ All future proof-of-stake voting, e.g. for protocol changes, voting functionality, DACs, etc. is determined by XCP holdings.

So Will XCP > 100$ ?
The main mantra is XCP is tied to BTC, the leader, which is going mainstream now. CP is the next logic natural step, not Litecoin, nor Peercoin, nor any substitute.

Why only 2$ now ?
- Never had marketing actions. Only starting marketing actions. link to the last news and events :
- Prefer to focus on Technology until now.
- Wallet online and not on windows for the moment. Perfectly working but a huge psychological hurdle for almost every investors ("Not really owning my money / it can disappear"). Nxt made 3X as soon as Windows was effective.

3) How do I buy XCP ? [ past[proof of burn,etc] & present way ]

4) How do I store XCP ? [ simple explanations of the 3 wallet types and again why one may need the entire bitcoin blockchain & qt ]

5) A quick outline of future plans for Counterparty including other ALT blockchain links, etc, etc

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Thank you. The site helped a bit as well as the first & last 20pages of the thread. I think the whole concept is brilliant yet after 40pages + extra reading I still dont feel I have a handle on what exactly Counterparty is and its potential. I can see 90% of people that end up here would never hang around. Its all very very confusing even to people with some technical ability. So you have some level of my ability.. my first computer was a TRS-80, I can do some basic C+ programming and I can compile in Linux. 90% of ALT coin users are windows based non technical users. I am surprised if even 10% of people that initially visit would hang around.  


Before we even get to slick videos, https://www.counterparty.co/get-started/ needs a total revamp for newbies. The 1st post on the thread also needs a total revamp. XCP is highly confusing for the newbie and spoon feeding is required for elementary things.

The 1st post on thread and homepage on website should have EASY TO UNDERSTAND paragraphs on each below:

1) What is counterparty ? [ in tech and easy speak]

2) Why should I be interested in counterparty ? [with real and potential simple examples]

3) How do I buy XCP ? [ past[proof of burn,etc] & present way ]

4) How do I store XCP ? [ simple explanations of the 3 wallet types and again why one may need the entire bitcoin blockchain & qt ]

5) A quick outline of future plans for Counterparty including other ALT blockchain links, etc, etc



The above is a basic start that would have maybe 50-75% of the people hanging around to maybe even try to understand the more complex issues like asset creation, etc


Welcome new and lucid member ! Totally agree, XCP is highly confusing for newbies and investors. A lot of basic or tangible questions remain unanswered. Community, please listen to newbies and investors now !


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Announcement: Over the past few weeks, we've been doing a lot of work on the fee algorithm that Counterparty uses, and now transactions are effectively much cheaper than before. In particular, 'send' transactions can store all of their Counterparty metadata in a 40-byte OP_RETURN output, and you can now specify the exact fees paid for each transaction, as well as the default fee-per-KB amount, dust sizes, and so on. Multi-sig outputs need not be used, so no difficult-to-spend funds need to be sent back to your self at all.

This transaction is an example of a modern send transaction that cost only US $0.01 in fees, with a $0.03 output to the destination. It was constructed and broadcast with the following command: counterpartyd.py send --source=SOURCE --destination=DEST --quantity=1 --asset=XCP --encoding='opreturn' --fee=.00002, and it was confirmed almost immediately. If you're moving lots of assets around, or sending one asset to many users, you can use this script to automate the process and keep costs as low as possible.

Nicely done, guys!

This is for sends only?  Other transactions types don’t fit?

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I transferred some btc to counter wallet, tried to exchange for XCP and no exchange but .028 BTC disappeared. It appears a commission was taken without performing the function of the currency exchange. Can anybody help? Around $16 at today's price but not very encouraging...

Maybe it was used to prime? and probably waiting for confirmations.
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I transferred some btc to counter wallet, tried to exchange for XCP and no exchange but .028 BTC disappeared. It appears a commission was taken without performing the function of the currency exchange. Can anybody help? Around $16 at today's price but not very encouraging...

There aren't any commisions in Counterwallet, though there are Bitcoin fees which are paid to miners. Please PM me with all of the details of your usage (addresses involved, transaction hashes, timestamps, etc.), so that we can figure out what exactly happened. It's quite possible the trade is still in progress, and it's just taking longer than you might expect.
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I transferred some btc to counter wallet, tried to exchange for XCP and no exchange but .028 BTC disappeared. It appears a commission was taken without performing the function of the currency exchange. Can anybody help? Around $16 at today's price but not very encouraging...
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Bitcoin is new, makes sense to hodl.
Announcement: Over the past few weeks, we've been doing a lot of work on the fee algorithm that Counterparty uses, and now transactions are effectively much cheaper than before. In particular, 'send' transactions can store all of their Counterparty metadata in a 40-byte OP_RETURN output, and you can now specify the exact fees paid for each transaction, as well as the default fee-per-KB amount, dust sizes, and so on. Multi-sig outputs need not be used, so no difficult-to-spend funds need to be sent back to your self at all.

This transaction is an example of a modern send transaction that cost only US $0.01 in fees, with a $0.03 output to the destination. It was constructed and broadcast with the following command: counterpartyd.py send --source=SOURCE --destination=DEST --quantity=1 --asset=XCP --encoding='opreturn' --fee=.00002, and it was confirmed almost immediately. If you're moving lots of assets around, or sending one asset to many users, you can use this script to automate the process and keep costs as low as possible.

WoW ! This is huge. Let's get it on reddit shall we ? http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/28xfxd/counterparty_transaction_has_finally_switched_to/
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thats great news ( I have no clue what it means ] but sounds all good.


Announcement: Over the past few weeks, we've been doing a lot of work on the fee algorithm that Counterparty uses, and now transactions are effectively much cheaper than before. In particular, 'send' transactions can store all of their Counterparty metadata in a 40-byte OP_RETURN output, and you cit sounds all good an now specify the exact fees paid for each transaction, as well as the default fee-per-KB amount, dust sizes, and so on. Multi-sig outputs need not be used, so no difficult-to-spend funds need to be sent back to your self at all.

This transaction is an example of a modern send transaction that cost only US $0.01 in fees, with a $0.03 output to the destination. It was constructed and broadcast with the following command: counterpartyd.py send --source=SOURCE --destination=DEST --quantity=1 --asset=XCP --encoding='opreturn' --fee=.00002, and it was confirmed almost immediately. If you're moving lots of assets around, or sending one asset to many users, you can use this script to automate the process and keep costs as low as possible.
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Counterparty Chief Scientist and Co-Founder
Announcement: Over the past few weeks, we've been doing a lot of work on the fee algorithm that Counterparty uses, and now transactions are effectively much cheaper than before. In particular, 'send' transactions can store all of their Counterparty metadata in a 40-byte OP_RETURN output, and you can now specify the exact fees paid for each transaction, as well as the default fee-per-KB amount, dust sizes, and so on. Multi-sig outputs need not be used, so no difficult-to-spend funds need to be sent back to your self at all.

This transaction is an example of a modern send transaction that cost only US $0.01 in fees, with a $0.03 output to the destination. It was constructed and broadcast with the following command: counterpartyd.py send --source=SOURCE --destination=DEST --quantity=1 --asset=XCP --encoding='opreturn' --fee=.00002, and it was confirmed almost immediately. If you're moving lots of assets around, or sending one asset to many users, you can use this script to automate the process and keep costs as low as possible.
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Thanks Matt,

I like your write up. This would be part 1 of my suggestion. I would add a few examples. Perhaps an example of a bet, a contract and a loan between friends/family

I agree for the most part with the above post. Here is a contribution to new text should it be changed.

(For the "description" part of the OP)

For people who are dissatisfied with centralized financial solutions and institutions, Counterparty is a peer-to-peer financial market which provides a medium for secure transactions that do not require a trusted third party. Unlike Wall Street, we have assembled a free to use software platform that allows everyone access to financial instruments that were previously cost prohibitive or not available.

eg. A



eg. B



eg. C



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Counterpartying
I agree for the most part with the above post. Here is a contribution to new text should it be changed.

(For the "description" part of the OP)

For people who are dissatisfied with centralized financial solutions and institutions, Counterparty is a peer-to-peer financial market which provides a medium for secure transactions that do not require a trusted third party. Unlike Wall Street, we have assembled a free to use software platform that allows everyone access to financial instruments that were previously cost prohibitive or not available.
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Thank you. The site helped a bit as well as the first & last 20pages of the thread. I think the whole concept is brilliant yet after 40pages + extra reading I still dont feel I have a handle on what exactly Counterparty is and its potential. I can see 90% of people that end up here would never hang around. Its all very very confusing even to people with some technical ability. So you have some level of my ability.. my first computer was a TRS-80, I can do some basic C+ programming and I can compile in Linux. 90% of ALT coin users are windows based non technical users. I am surprised if even 10% of people that initially visit would hang around.  


Before we even get to slick videos, https://www.counterparty.co/get-started/ needs a total revamp for newbies. The 1st post on the thread also needs a total revamp. XCP is highly confusing for the newbie and spoon feeding is required for elementary things.

The 1st post on thread and homepage on website should have EASY TO UNDERSTAND paragraphs on each below:

1) What is counterparty ? [ in tech and easy speak]

2) Why should I be interested in counterparty ? [with real and potential simple examples]

3) How do I buy XCP ? [ past[proof of burn,etc] & present way ]

4) How do I store XCP ? [ simple explanations of the 3 wallet types and again why one may need the entire bitcoin blockchain & qt ]

5) A quick outline of future plans for Counterparty including other ALT blockchain links, etc, etc



The above is a basic start that would have maybe 50-75% of the people hanging around to maybe even try to understand the more complex issues like asset creation, etc







please explain to me how I can store my XCp on my computer. I cannot find a wallet for my windows 7 computer.

I am totally confused. Is their actually a functioning wallet I can use to store XCP ?
Is XCP related to bitcoin ?

XCP is the internal Counterparty currency and technically "a part of Bitcoin" and can be stored on normal Bitcoin addresses.

Maybe this can help: https://www.counterparty.co/get-started/
There is also a web wallet: http://counterwallet.co

You can send XCP to any Bitcoin address and redeem them later, as long as you have the private key.
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