Topic: [ANN][XRB]Cryptocurrency's killer app: RaiBlocks micropayments - page 465. (Read 775281 times)
February 24, 2017, 03:30:53 PM
I thought I had a problem to claim on the faucet; now I see they have implemented this 20% chance rate.
February 24, 2017, 02:00:02 PM
This 20% is silly. What problem does it solve?
Why not introduce a bigger delay, or just accumulate and only distribute amounts larger than 100 Mrai for example.
That way the network won't be flooded with micro transactions as well.
that is 100% true They even had this delay system then they removed it which created this problem then tried to fix it by this 20% . Why not introduce a bigger delay, or just accumulate and only distribute amounts larger than 100 Mrai for example.
That way the network won't be flooded with micro transactions as well.
The logic say when i do something that then lead to a problems i undo it and the problem will be fixed .
but they created the problem to fix it that way . that is why i smell something fishy behind this %20 any one with a fraction of brain will see this
February 24, 2017, 01:50:55 PM
traumschiff, I would love to see your probability in betting in dice. Add some martingale strategy for better wins. Idiot. 
Dice has a house edge (skewing results) and 6 outcomes. This is a simple 20-80 yes or no. Nice reasoning, shows how dumb you are sadly.
February 24, 2017, 01:38:17 PM
This 20% is silly. What problem does it solve?
Why not introduce a bigger delay, or just accumulate and only distribute amounts larger than 100 Mrai for example.
That way the network won't be flooded with micro transactions as well.
Why not introduce a bigger delay, or just accumulate and only distribute amounts larger than 100 Mrai for example.
That way the network won't be flooded with micro transactions as well.
February 24, 2017, 01:34:51 PM
traumschiff, I would love to see your probability in betting in dice. Add some martingale strategy for better wins. Idiot.
February 24, 2017, 12:50:25 PM
Out of my first 100 finished captchas 77 was unrewarded and 23 rewarded, meaning my success rate was 23%. Please note here that the sample size is obviously way 2 small to consider valid, but it can be counted as a valid enough indicator that we are in the +- 5% and that 5% should also vanish on a big enough sample size.
Since we have a code based algorithm working on the back end, and if the code contains no errors, there should be no doubt that everyone will get equal results from a big enough sample size.
Can continue with the counting if anyone is in doubt (or doesn't know how probability works)
Since we have a code based algorithm working on the back end, and if the code contains no errors, there should be no doubt that everyone will get equal results from a big enough sample size.
Can continue with the counting if anyone is in doubt (or doesn't know how probability works)
February 24, 2017, 12:31:23 PM
So right now everyone only have 20% chance to get a mrai, assuming you claim 5 times and got 1 (20%) according to today's estimated will net you 1.9 mrai. Yesterday every claim count but only got 0.247717 mrai/claim. That's 1,25 mrai (rounded it) every 5 claim. 1.25 vs 1.9.
that you saying we will get 1 every 5 for sure?! from where you get that people need to understand and read before post . it is a chance some people claimed for almost 2 hours without one mari ! do i need to go on! ? in long run tho you will break even with what you was doing before this 20%. this long run is different from one to another . it can't be same for all this is logic so what make you breakeven in days or even same day might take me week or month . which turn this project a game of chances Wow , almost 2 hours without one mrai? what a hyperbole. I've tried the faucet today, the longest i got was 21 (i count) then i got 4 claims registered in the next 8 claim. Surely you people only count the streak where you got nothing and brush aside the time when you got 2 or 3 claim in 5. If the 20% didn't appear today, the estimated would have been 0.2 claim/mrai and keep decreasing, the result will be the same.
February 24, 2017, 12:14:54 PM
So right now everyone only have 20% chance to get a mrai, assuming you claim 5 times and got 1 (20%) according to today's estimated will net you 1.9 mrai. Yesterday every claim count but only got 0.247717 mrai/claim. That's 1,25 mrai (rounded it) every 5 claim. 1.25 vs 1.9.
that you saying we will get 1 every 5 for sure?! from where you get that people need to understand and read before post . it is a chance some people claimed for almost 2 hours without one mari ! do i need to go on! ? in long run tho you will break even with what you was doing before this 20%. this long run is different from one to another . it can't be same for all this is logic so what make you breakeven in days or even same day might take me week or month . which turn this project a game of chances Wow , almost 2 hours without one mrai? what a hyperbole. I've tried the faucet today, the longest i got was 21 (i count) then i got 4 claims registered in the next 8 claim. Surely you people only count the streak where you got nothing and brush aside the time when you got 2 or 3 claim in 5. If the 20% didn't appear today, the estimated would have been 0.2 claim/mrai and keep decreasing, the result will be the same.
He quotes random lies so he can give base to his assumptions.
ans a big YES this %20 is fishy and shady as hell any one with brain will see this .
February 24, 2017, 11:39:45 AM
So right now everyone only have 20% chance to get a mrai, assuming you claim 5 times and got 1 (20%) according to today's estimated will net you 1.9 mrai. Yesterday every claim count but only got 0.247717 mrai/claim. That's 1,25 mrai (rounded it) every 5 claim. 1.25 vs 1.9.
that you saying we will get 1 every 5 for sure?! from where you get that people need to understand and read before post . it is a chance some people claimed for almost 2 hours without one mari ! do i need to go on! ? in long run tho you will break even with what you was doing before this 20%. this long run is different from one to another . it can't be same for all this is logic so what make you breakeven in days or even same day might take me week or month . which turn this project a game of chances Wow , almost 2 hours without one mrai? what a hyperbole. I've tried the faucet today, the longest i got was 21 (i count) then i got 4 claims registered in the next 8 claim. Surely you people only count the streak where you got nothing and brush aside the time when you got 2 or 3 claim in 5. If the 20% didn't appear today, the estimated would have been 0.2 claim/mrai and keep decreasing, the result will be the same.
He quotes random lies so he can give base to his assumptions.
February 24, 2017, 11:31:22 AM
So right now everyone only have 20% chance to get a mrai, assuming you claim 5 times and got 1 (20%) according to today's estimated will net you 1.9 mrai. Yesterday every claim count but only got 0.247717 mrai/claim. That's 1,25 mrai (rounded it) every 5 claim. 1.25 vs 1.9.
that you saying we will get 1 every 5 for sure?! from where you get that people need to understand and read before post . it is a chance some people claimed for almost 2 hours without one mari ! do i need to go on! ? in long run tho you will break even with what you was doing before this 20%. this long run is different from one to another . it can't be same for all this is logic so what make you breakeven in days or even same day might take me week or month . which turn this project a game of chances Wow , almost 2 hours without one mrai? what a hyperbole. I've tried the faucet today, the longest i got was 21 (i count) then i got 4 claims registered in the next 8 claim. Surely you people only count the streak where you got nothing and brush aside the time when you got 2 or 3 claim in 5. If the 20% didn't appear today, the estimated would have been 0.2 claim/mrai and keep decreasing, the result will be the same.
February 24, 2017, 11:12:12 AM
So right now everyone only have 20% chance to get a mrai, assuming you claim 5 times and got 1 (20%) according to today's estimated will net you 1.9 mrai. Yesterday every claim count but only got 0.247717 mrai/claim. That's 1,25 mrai (rounded it) every 5 claim. 1.25 vs 1.9.
that you saying we will get 1 every 5 for sure?! from where you get that people need to understand and read before post . it is a chance some people claimed for almost 2 hours without one mari ! do i need to go on! ? in long run tho you will break even with what you was doing before this 20%. this long run is different from one to another . it can't be same for all this is logic so what make you breakeven in days or even same day might take me week or month . which turn this project a game of chances February 24, 2017, 11:03:03 AM
So right now everyone only have 20% chance to get a mrai, assuming you claim 5 times and got 1 (20%) according to today's estimated will net you 1.9 mrai. Yesterday every claim count but only got 0.247717 mrai/claim. That's 1,25 mrai (rounded it) every 5 claim. 1.25 vs 1.9.
February 24, 2017, 10:51:20 AM
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Each claim has actually the 20% of chance to be processed by server. This is a measure that allows us keep lower resources usage.
The more a person claims, the higher is the chance for him to get close to 20% of accepted requests. So, don't worry if your claims seems too much rejected and don't hype if them seems too much accepted
The more a person claims, the higher is the chance for him to get close to 20% of accepted requests. So, don't worry if your claims seems too much rejected and don't hype if them seems too much accepted
This part will amaze a few people here. Who knews what computer algorithms are capable of recently.
What if long run is days for some and weeks or maybe even months for others this in fact is my problem .
It is now up to people to keep claim or not knowing that you might get paid your actual work after hours days maybe weeks or months you and your luck
my case is done here .
I might continuse to claim tho if i am running good
February 24, 2017, 10:44:43 AM
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Each claim has actually the 20% of chance to be processed by server. This is a measure that allows us keep lower resources usage.
The more a person claims, the higher is the chance for him to get close to 20% of accepted requests. So, don't worry if your claims seems too much rejected and don't hype if them seems too much accepted
The more a person claims, the higher is the chance for him to get close to 20% of accepted requests. So, don't worry if your claims seems too much rejected and don't hype if them seems too much accepted
This part will amaze a few people here. Who knew what computer algorithms are capable of recently.
February 24, 2017, 10:41:55 AM
February 24, 2017, 10:28:01 AM
You guys really need to get your shit together and stop crying and learn how this shit works. No one cares that you need positive reassurance to be able to keep going for free money. The developers are working their ass off for free. Did you read about the "no premine" part? I hope you are crying in all the ICO threads aswell that you got fucked over?[/b]
If you click the "0.1 claim to devs" there is. That's optional.
Im thinking its not people that cry out in altcoin threads about shittiness of a coin. Rather, its dumb way of distribution that drives everyone bonkers. Folks cant accept ethics of giving away token to those sofa-fighters who have enough time on their hands to solve captchas all day long. It would have been much better if people had gotten rewards based on the quantity of brain resources spent on solving quests or math equations.
February 24, 2017, 10:25:46 AM
What a moronic solution.
Goal: Distribute as wide as possible by a daily faucet that requires captcha or human work. But not too much for those that are very keen to do the daily grind of solving capchas.
Instead why not give out bounties to those that write articles or promote Raiblocks? How about an affiliate system?
Or you are just too content with a lazy programmable solution.
Sure, the claims would lessen but that defeats the purpose of wide distribution. Why don't you just ban or limit by IPs?
This is depressing:
I don't know about you, guys. But I hope this coin gets listed asap and then dumped to smithereens then we could just buy 1 sat per mrai. Hell a lot fair than the stupid faucet.
Goal: Distribute as wide as possible by a daily faucet that requires captcha or human work. But not too much for those that are very keen to do the daily grind of solving capchas.
Instead why not give out bounties to those that write articles or promote Raiblocks? How about an affiliate system?
Or you are just too content with a lazy programmable solution.
Sure, the claims would lessen but that defeats the purpose of wide distribution. Why don't you just ban or limit by IPs?
This is depressing:
How you know it won't affect users did you tried it?? And no it is not the same there is luck factor now.
i swear I claimed for almost 2 hours with same message try again you have fking %20 . i make normally around 1500 claims in this 2 hours 20% means 300 claims .I got out after 2 hours with zero claims just amazing . Ya it is really the same LOL.
i swear I claimed for almost 2 hours with same message try again you have fking %20 . i make normally around 1500 claims in this 2 hours 20% means 300 claims .I got out after 2 hours with zero claims just amazing . Ya it is really the same LOL.
I don't know about you, guys. But I hope this coin gets listed asap and then dumped to smithereens then we could just buy 1 sat per mrai. Hell a lot fair than the stupid faucet.
Quoting myself again so apes like you understand (and made the TLDR bigger so even if you have advanced autism and reading problems you may still understand it):
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Some of you guys need to realize how statistics works. You will get to the exact 20% win chance on long-term, not in 10-20 minutes and not in 2-10 hours. If you keep solving the captcha for days you will have exactly the same chance vs others to get the same amount of mrais.
The payout is still 400.000mrai / 24 hours and everyone has the same probability to get it on the long run. Everyone has it harder, but the developers solved the resource problem they experienced from 2 many successful solvings.
There are literally thousands of Phillippinos working on this shit daily to sell them on the OTC thread.
You guys really need to get your shit together and stop crying and learn how this shit works. No one cares that you need positive reassurance to be able to keep going for free money. The developers are working their ass off for free. Did you read about the "no premine" part? I hope you are crying in all the ICO threads aswell that you got fucked over?
This forum has gone to shit 2-3 years ago, lots of hobo nontech people are crying nonstop that their fun and free money got ruined even though literally nothing changed here only the fucking text you get after every captcha.
The payout is still 400.000mrai / 24 hours and everyone has the same probability to get it on the long run. Everyone has it harder, but the developers solved the resource problem they experienced from 2 many successful solvings.
There are literally thousands of Phillippinos working on this shit daily to sell them on the OTC thread.
You guys really need to get your shit together and stop crying and learn how this shit works. No one cares that you need positive reassurance to be able to keep going for free money. The developers are working their ass off for free. Did you read about the "no premine" part? I hope you are crying in all the ICO threads aswell that you got fucked over?
This forum has gone to shit 2-3 years ago, lots of hobo nontech people are crying nonstop that their fun and free money got ruined even though literally nothing changed here only the fucking text you get after every captcha.
-You think having a tag under you name give you the right to force your opinion ! guess what it is not .
-If you are so retard and stupid to understand what i am saying then shsh and let someone that have understanding of odds talk .
-Let me say it again it say there is 20% chance not 20% guaranteed . chance means a factor of luck is there .
-Did you ignore the fact that there is some people other than me saying they claimed for more than hour with almost nothing! .
-How we know that this 20% is rigged or not to favor others . simple we can't
-With the tag under your name and you still think that there is someone that can put his effort and time for free . you should know better than this
-saying that nothing changed here only text ! make me know how your brain work and what it limit is
-They could have get what they want by just made 10 12 sec per claim same results!! but this is 20% guaranteed not a chance like they want it to be
( for some reason they removed the 6 sec wait and then put this 20% chance ) which is shady .- Last learn to have some respect when you speak with others even if you disagree with them
or simply they will not respect you back!!You won't get any respect on a tech oriented forum while running around telling bullshit to people. This isn't 4chan.
What I stated was not my opinion, it's how statistics work, you would have learned basic statistics if you atleast attended a basic BA course. 20% chance means it will even out at 20% on the long term. There is nothing to argue on this, you can't argue with maths because it doesn't care about your shitty opinions.
They could have solved this in so many ways, but they have chosen this for now and it ends with the same results if they decide to stick with it.
The tag is under my name because I'm on this forum since 2013 and I probably earned more peoples respect since joining this forum than you did with bullshitting since early 2017.
The person who I replied to used a random bitcointalk forum commenters case scenario as a base for his argument to disprove how a 20% probability works and you are actually defending him. Hilarious.
I'm sorry to hurt your feelings
Edit: and since we are talking about the new system, it only hurts people who want to make a quick $ with selling mrais because they need to count with a stable mrai / hour rate to calculate earnings, people who actually want to hold mrais should be fully fine with this system as they will get the full 20% chance on the long run, even though I get it how some people have this common attitude that they need to win on every push instead of winning just generally speaking.
- you think people do free work
i not- you think 20% chance is same i not
- you still ignored what i said about people claiming for long and got nothing ( luck factor i mentioned )
- having so many easier options and choose to go with the shady crapy one raise a big flag simple logic here. they just disabled the 6 sec wait time few days ago just to replace it with fked up new system . of curse for you removing an easy system which was working great and doing same job as this %20 but in fairness and replacing it with shady one is normal .
- explain to me what is the different from selling and keep them ? if i keep them the number of mari will increase from no where !! LOL you are mixing value with quantity . so just remove your edit part before people laugh on you
-p.s you didn't address any of my questions you just keep blah blah blah .
pwaned!!!!
Told you already, a 20% probability is not a matter of opinions, it evens out on the long run. The long run isn't 12 hours or a day.
I'm out of reasons on why I should try to talk sense into you while you can't even speak our common language. Please kids, don't skip school.
. do not use the word long run you do not even know what it means . this is not poker dude even in poker this long run can take months or days or years ( luck factor ) .
we are talking about fair disrupting here aren't we !!?
February 24, 2017, 10:15:46 AM
that's sorted out, those who have the ears to hear.
February 24, 2017, 10:07:33 AM
You guys really need to get your shit together and stop crying and learn how this shit works. No one cares that you need positive reassurance to be able to keep going for free money. The developers are working their ass off for free. Did you read about the "no premine" part? I hope you are crying in all the ICO threads aswell that you got fucked over?[/b]
If you click the "0.1 claim to devs" there is. That's optional.
February 24, 2017, 10:05:15 AM
Some of you guys need to realize how statistics works. You will get to the exact 20% win chance on long-term, not in 10-20 minutes and not in 2-10 hours. If you keep solving the captcha for days you will have exactly the same chance vs others to get the same amount of mrais.
The payout is still 400.000mrai / 24 hours and everyone has the same probability to get it on the long run. Everyone has it harder, but the developers solved the resource problem they experienced from 2 many successful solvings.
There are literally thousands of Phillippinos working on this shit daily to sell them on the OTC thread.
You guys really need to get your shit together and stop crying and learn how this shit works. No one cares that you need positive reassurance to be able to keep going for free money. The developers are working their ass off for free. Did you read about the "no premine" part? I hope you are crying in all the ICO threads aswell that you got fucked over?
This forum has gone to shit 2-3 years ago, lots of hobo nontech people are crying nonstop that their fun and free money got ruined even though literally nothing changed here only the fucking text you get after every captcha.
1. I spent 10 days, 10 hours a day.The payout is still 400.000mrai / 24 hours and everyone has the same probability to get it on the long run. Everyone has it harder, but the developers solved the resource problem they experienced from 2 many successful solvings.
There are literally thousands of Phillippinos working on this shit daily to sell them on the OTC thread.
You guys really need to get your shit together and stop crying and learn how this shit works. No one cares that you need positive reassurance to be able to keep going for free money. The developers are working their ass off for free. Did you read about the "no premine" part? I hope you are crying in all the ICO threads aswell that you got fucked over?
This forum has gone to shit 2-3 years ago, lots of hobo nontech people are crying nonstop that their fun and free money got ruined even though literally nothing changed here only the fucking text you get after every captcha.
2. I have a coin. This means that I am a shareholder of this company?
3. Today, the company is converted into a casino.
4. What will happen tomorrow?
You want to say that the coins handed out for free, and my choice to participate or not in this part?
Owning a coin doesn't make you a shareholder. It only does so if it's explicitly stated in the TOS or whatever official source you have (website/ANN/whatever). You may ask or request certain features as a part of the community, but there are no promises.
I didn't say that the 20% chance system is the optimal one, I only argued that it's not a casino as the probability will reach close to 20% on the long run when solving these captchas.
Nothing will happen tomorrow as the developers didn't do anything except trying to solve their loaded backend problem, the distribution model is the same and the speed of it is still the same.
It's really so simple and still there are people who are unable to understand this and choose trolling instead of educating themselves.
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