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Topic: ANTMINER S2 Discussion and Support Thread - page 213. (Read 355730 times)

legendary
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also for customs

bitmain

what you will have to write as value?

Will you shut up about customs ffs. You think they can't read a public forum. Anything like that you should take to the supplier directly and privately.
legendary
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Now I'm really torn between Gridseed and Bitmain Sad
At this price I'm really unsure.

Gridseed is Avalon.  They deserve zero support from the miner community.

I've looked at the chips & saw no indication of this,gotta link or something  Huh  How many others had no idea...............  Roll Eyes
ZiG
sr. member
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Merit: 250
Also does anyone know
If I want a refund
Did bitmain did refund or not?

According to the web site:..."All Sales are FINAL...due to the nature of this Market..."...blah, blah...

Sorry, buddy...NO refunds...I guess...

Edit: Doesn't mean that you can not try...Just ask them...
legendary
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Also does anyone know
If I want a refund
Did bitmain did refund or not?

Nope
full member
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Still waiting another price cut Smiley
Maybe after other preorder products with THs speed release, next 1-2 month (if they ontime LOL)
But again "Bitcoin is not about the hash speed, its about who start first".
legendary
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Also does anyone know
If I want a refund
Did bitmain did refund or not?
member
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I feel that Bitmain is skimping on the PSU.  Assuming that they're using Enermax ERV1000EWT-G 80 Plus Gold which is approximately 90% efficient at around full load (996W or 83A total on the 12V rail), the S2 would be drawing around 900WDC (1000WAC at the wall*90%) from this PSU.  That's a 90% (900W/996W) continuous load 24/7.  That's too close for comfort.  A 1200W PSU (75% load) would be more appropriate.  Personally, I prefer a 1500W PSU (60% load) for the S2; much closer to peak efficiency which is at 50% load.

Bitmain should offer an option to sell the S2 without a power supply at an appropriately reduced price so we could supply our own PSU just like with the S1s or get rid of the relatively puny 1000-Watter and use at least a 1200W premium PSU.  The cost difference for them shouldn't be that much especially when purchased in bulk.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817194101

I am also concerned about Bitmain's choice of power supply. As a rule of thumb, it's not a good idea to demand more than a 80% continuous load from a PSU. Sustained loads close to the maximum output will decrease power efficiency and significantly reduce the expected operating life.

Your estimates are the same as mine: considering Bitmain's claimed power draw of 1000W at the wall, we can assume that the power supply is operating at around 90% of maximum output. Even if it's operating at just 85% of maximum output, that is still an uncomfortably high level for a continuous load.

I feel that it would have been more prudent to offer a 1200W power supply to keep the load at 70-75% of maximum capacity, or allow customers to select their own. I would appreciate the option to purchase an S2 without a PSU so that I have an opportunity to select a more suitable PSU of my own choice.
legendary
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...

Bitmain can you please create an option to ship without PSU so I can overclock this bad boy to 2 + Th/S

..

Do you honestly think you can overclock it 2TH, that a 100% increase.

You would likely have to add more power supply capacity, increase cooling, and bump the voltage (probably swapping a bunch of SMT resistors), and you might still find that the DCDCs couldn't handle the increased load.

Still I'd like to see someone try.
legendary
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Now I'm really torn between Gridseed and Bitmain Sad
At this price I'm really unsure.

Gridseed is Avalon.  They deserve zero support from the miner community.
legendary
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Merit: 1198
If underclocked it is already pulling 1000W, you would need to add a PSU.   I do not see how they will run without
a 1200W PSU if they really draw 1000W.   

They were very clear on the first post that it draws 1000 W at the wall. Assuming 85% efficiency that means 850 W draw for the boards.
sr. member
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Yeah I don't want to buy one with the PSU included. 12vdc server supplies are available in nearly limitless quantities for pennies on the dollar. I'd rather Bitmain shave off $200 the price (maybe have options for with and without PSU?)
legendary
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Christian Antkow
I feel that Bitmain is skimping on the PSU.  Assuming that they're using Enermax ERV1000EWT-G 80 Plus Gold which is approximately 90% efficient at around full load (996W or 83A total on the 12V rail), the S2 would be drawing around 900WDC (1000WAC at the wall*90%) from this PSU.  That's a 90% (900W/996W) continuous load 24/7.  That's too close for comfort.  A 1200W PSU (75% load) would be more appropriate.  

 I share your concern. It would be good to have the option to purchase one without a power supply so we can use our own 1200+ supplies.

 I plan to pick one of these up after the first batch has been reviewed.
newbie
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This looks awesooooome.
Not upset that I bought my Terraminer at the cost I did, but I do wish I knew this was being released now.  Can't afford one at the moment, but will certainly be buying a few once the price is right.   Grin Grin Grin
legendary
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Reverse engineer from time to time
I feel that Bitmain is skimping on the PSU.  Assuming that they're using Enermax ERV1000EWT-G 80 Plus Gold which is approximately 90% efficient at around full load (996W or 83A total on the 12V rail), the S2 would be drawing around 900WDC (1000WAC at the wall*90%) from this PSU.  That's a 90% (900W/996W) continuous load 24/7.  That's too close for comfort.  A 1200W PSU (75% load) would be more appropriate.  Personally, I prefer a 1500W PSU (60% load) for the S2; much closer to peak efficiency which is at 50% load.

Bitmain should offer an option to sell the S2 without a power supply at an appropriately reduced price so we could supply our own PSU just like with the S1s or get rid of the relatively puny 1000-Watter and use at least a 1200W premium PSU.  The cost difference for them shouldn't be that much especially when purchased in bulk.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817194101
I agree on the bit about the PSU. Although I do not own the S2 nor do I plan to(friggin' expensive Tongue but understandable) the PSU is not enough. If the miner uses over 1kW then a 1000w PSU is simply not enough.
legendary
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I feel that Bitmain is skimping on the PSU.  Assuming that they're using Enermax ERV1000EWT-G 80 Plus Gold which is approximately 90% efficient at around full load (996W or 83A total on the 12V rail), the S2 would be drawing around 900WDC (1000WAC at the wall*90%) from this PSU.  That's a 90% (900W/996W) continuous load 24/7.  That's too close for comfort.  A 1200W PSU (75% load) would be more appropriate.  Personally, I prefer a 1500W PSU (60% load) for the S2; much closer to peak efficiency which is at 50% load.

Bitmain should offer an option to sell the S2 without a power supply at an appropriately reduced price so we could supply our own PSU just like with the S1s or get rid of the relatively puny 1000-Watter and use at least a 1200W premium PSU.  The cost difference for them shouldn't be that much especially when purchased in bulk.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817194101
legendary
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I'm pretty sure it is also undervolted so you won't be able to overclock that much (possibly some).

sr. member
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Agreed, this is overpriced.  We're moving into the phase of just buying BTC outright until more efficient tech arrives...  buying 6 BTC makes more sense.
legendary
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also for customs

bitmain

what you will have to write as value?
legendary
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ASIC Wannabe
They say they are using a 14U rack... But those photos on page one look smaller than a normal 14u rack.

http://image.google.com/search?q=14u+rack

The PROTOTYPE is not 14U in size, but is also not 4U. I would guess about 6U (6U = 266.7mm). Lookng at the prototype, its roughly the hieght of 2x120mm fans).

I assume they will make everything more compact and visually appealing by the time they ship 4U size in april
hero member
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They say they are using a 14U rack... But those photos on page one look smaller than a normal 14u rack.

http://image.google.com/search?q=14u+rack

No...
They said 4U rack case.  Look again.
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