Topic: ANTMINER S2 Discussion and Support Thread - page 217. (Read 355820 times)
I don't see why people are complaining about the price. Seems right in line to me. Maybe a pinch cheaper, like 5.9 btc, but it's perfectly reasonable. You get everything, plug and play, at 1Th/s. Ease of use is worth a little more in my opinion. Only draw back ... They aren't shipping tomorrow. They are shipping in a week or two.
Somehow I got a feeling bitmain seeing this thread in silence and read any comments here, and you guys know for what right ?
So I wish I can change some opinion and hopefully changes the price @_@
1. 55nm. Like it or not a 55nm need more electricity and hotter than 28nm. Hotter means less durability, Ive seen in CPU and it should be similar to this or any chip.
2. A preorder 2TH is coming from "you know who" in less than $6000 that shipped start at 30 April. As I said from point 1, that a 28nm will need less electricity, that 2TH have a 28nm with only 1050 watt. And again its preorder.
3. In TH perspective it should be $2900 minus case and PSU ($200 in my calculation and divide by 2 since S2 only has 1TH).
4. For an old technology (55nm), hotter, more hunger, it should cheaper than 28nm (Even thought I know a 55nm production more costly than a 28nm).
So even if there's people sayin it sold 5 or 10 items, I still hoping it down to $2500 (with case and a 1200 watt PSU).
Thank you
Sorry, which preorder are you talking about that does 2TH/s at 1050W, and costs $6000?So I wish I can change some opinion and hopefully changes the price @_@
1. 55nm. Like it or not a 55nm need more electricity and hotter than 28nm. Hotter means less durability, Ive seen in CPU and it should be similar to this or any chip.
2. A preorder 2TH is coming from "you know who" in less than $6000 that shipped start at 30 April. As I said from point 1, that a 28nm will need less electricity, that 2TH have a 28nm with only 1050 watt. And again its preorder.
3. In TH perspective it should be $2900 minus case and PSU ($200 in my calculation and divide by 2 since S2 only has 1TH).
4. For an old technology (55nm), hotter, more hunger, it should cheaper than 28nm (Even thought I know a 55nm production more costly than a 28nm).
So even if there's people sayin it sold 5 or 10 items, I still hoping it down to $2500 (with case and a 1200 watt PSU).
Thank you
Probably BA Prospero X-3:
www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/prospero-x-3.html
Not saying BA won't ship by April 30th, but I'd say it's way more likely all the S2's that got ordered ship by April 1st than an X3 ordered today getting shipped by April 30th.
I expected better...
Rumors were the S2 was going to be 1Th/s at $1000, that would have really set the mining community on fire. Still not a bad mining option though, too bad it sold out already!
Somehow I got a feeling bitmain seeing this thread in silence and read any comments here, and you guys know for what right ?
So I wish I can change some opinion and hopefully changes the price @_@
1. 55nm. Like it or not a 55nm need more electricity and hotter than 28nm. Hotter means less durability, Ive seen in CPU and it should be similar to this or any chip.
2. A preorder 2TH is coming from "you know who" in less than $6000 that shipped start at 30 April. As I said from point 1, that a 28nm will need less electricity, that 2TH have a 28nm with only 1050 watt. And again its preorder.
3. In TH perspective it should be $2900 minus case and PSU ($200 in my calculation and divide by 2 since S2 only has 1TH).
4. For an old technology (55nm), hotter, more hunger, it should cheaper than 28nm (Even thought I know a 55nm production more costly than a 28nm).
So even if there's people sayin it sold 5 or 10 items, I still hoping it down to $2500 (with case and a 1200 watt PSU).
Thank you
Sorry, which preorder are you talking about that does 2TH/s at 1050W, and costs $6000?So I wish I can change some opinion and hopefully changes the price @_@
1. 55nm. Like it or not a 55nm need more electricity and hotter than 28nm. Hotter means less durability, Ive seen in CPU and it should be similar to this or any chip.
2. A preorder 2TH is coming from "you know who" in less than $6000 that shipped start at 30 April. As I said from point 1, that a 28nm will need less electricity, that 2TH have a 28nm with only 1050 watt. And again its preorder.
3. In TH perspective it should be $2900 minus case and PSU ($200 in my calculation and divide by 2 since S2 only has 1TH).
4. For an old technology (55nm), hotter, more hunger, it should cheaper than 28nm (Even thought I know a 55nm production more costly than a 28nm).
So even if there's people sayin it sold 5 or 10 items, I still hoping it down to $2500 (with case and a 1200 watt PSU).
Thank you
Check PM, I cant share that here, it would make me an elabolator
But someone already answer >.<
1. 55nm. Like it or not a 55nm need more electricity and hotter than 28nm. Hotter means less durability, Ive seen in CPU and it should be similar to this or any chip.
Not true with the existing designs. Bitfury's are 55nm, and they are lower power than anything else available.
Theres 2 answer for this...
1. It makes S2 should cheaper
2. Bitfury not design as it should be, I cant said much since this is bitmain thread but two keywords "compressed" and "more expensive"
1. 55nm. Like it or not a 55nm need more electricity and hotter than 28nm. Hotter means less durability, Ive seen in CPU and it should be similar to this or any chip.
Not true with the existing designs. Bitfury's are 55nm, and they are lower power than anything else available.
Somehow I got a feeling bitmain seeing this thread in silence and read any comments here, and you guys know for what right ?
So I wish I can change some opinion and hopefully changes the price @_@
1. 55nm. Like it or not a 55nm need more electricity and hotter than 28nm. Hotter means less durability, Ive seen in CPU and it should be similar to this or any chip.
2. A preorder 2TH is coming from "you know who" in less than $6000 that shipped start at 30 April. As I said from point 1, that a 28nm will need less electricity, that 2TH have a 28nm with only 1050 watt. And again its preorder.
3. In TH perspective it should be $2900 minus case and PSU ($200 in my calculation and divide by 2 since S2 only has 1TH).
4. For an old technology (55nm), hotter, more hunger, it should cheaper than 28nm (Even thought I know a 55nm production more costly than a 28nm).
So even if there's people sayin it sold 5 or 10 items, I still hoping it down to $2500 (with case and a 1200 watt PSU).
Thank you
Sorry, which preorder are you talking about that does 2TH/s at 1050W, and costs $6000?So I wish I can change some opinion and hopefully changes the price @_@
1. 55nm. Like it or not a 55nm need more electricity and hotter than 28nm. Hotter means less durability, Ive seen in CPU and it should be similar to this or any chip.
2. A preorder 2TH is coming from "you know who" in less than $6000 that shipped start at 30 April. As I said from point 1, that a 28nm will need less electricity, that 2TH have a 28nm with only 1050 watt. And again its preorder.
3. In TH perspective it should be $2900 minus case and PSU ($200 in my calculation and divide by 2 since S2 only has 1TH).
4. For an old technology (55nm), hotter, more hunger, it should cheaper than 28nm (Even thought I know a 55nm production more costly than a 28nm).
So even if there's people sayin it sold 5 or 10 items, I still hoping it down to $2500 (with case and a 1200 watt PSU).
Thank you
Probably BA Prospero X-3:
www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/prospero-x-3.html
Somehow I got a feeling bitmain seeing this thread in silence and read any comments here, and you guys know for what right ?
So I wish I can change some opinion and hopefully changes the price @_@
1. 55nm. Like it or not a 55nm need more electricity and hotter than 28nm. Hotter means less durability, Ive seen in CPU and it should be similar to this or any chip.
2. A preorder 2TH is coming from "you know who" in less than $6000 that shipped start at 30 April. As I said from point 1, that a 28nm will need less electricity, that 2TH have a 28nm with only 1050 watt. And again its preorder.
3. In TH perspective it should be $2900 minus case and PSU ($200 in my calculation and divide by 2 since S2 only has 1TH).
4. For an old technology (55nm), hotter, more hunger, it should cheaper than 28nm (Even thought I know a 55nm production more costly than a 28nm).
So even if there's people sayin it sold 5 or 10 items, I still hoping it down to $2500 (with case and a 1200 watt PSU).
Thank you
Sorry, which preorder are you talking about that does 2TH/s at 1050W, and costs $6000? So I wish I can change some opinion and hopefully changes the price @_@
1. 55nm. Like it or not a 55nm need more electricity and hotter than 28nm. Hotter means less durability, Ive seen in CPU and it should be similar to this or any chip.
2. A preorder 2TH is coming from "you know who" in less than $6000 that shipped start at 30 April. As I said from point 1, that a 28nm will need less electricity, that 2TH have a 28nm with only 1050 watt. And again its preorder.
3. In TH perspective it should be $2900 minus case and PSU ($200 in my calculation and divide by 2 since S2 only has 1TH).
4. For an old technology (55nm), hotter, more hunger, it should cheaper than 28nm (Even thought I know a 55nm production more costly than a 28nm).
So even if there's people sayin it sold 5 or 10 items, I still hoping it down to $2500 (with case and a 1200 watt PSU).
Thank you
Somehow I got a feeling bitmain seeing this thread in silence and read any comments here, and you guys know for what right ?
So I wish I can change some opinion and hopefully changes the price @_@
1. 55nm. Like it or not a 55nm need more electricity and hotter than 28nm. Hotter means less durability, Ive seen in CPU and it should be similar to this or any chip.
2. A preorder 2TH is coming from "you know who" in less than $6000 that shipped start at 30 April. As I said from point 1, that a 28nm will need less electricity, that 2TH have a 28nm with only 1050 watt. And again its preorder.
3. In TH perspective it should be $2900 minus case and PSU ($200 in my calculation and divide by 2 since S2 only has 1TH).
4. For an old technology (55nm), hotter, more hunger, it should cheaper than 28nm (Even thought I know a 55nm production more costly than a 28nm).
So even if there's people sayin it sold 5 or 10 items or sold out, I still hoping it down to $2500 (with case and a 1200 watt PSU). Since it will be two things in my mind, It would be marketing work to hold the price OR its true and would do mass production with some revisions (better performance and less expensive)
Thank you
So I wish I can change some opinion and hopefully changes the price @_@
1. 55nm. Like it or not a 55nm need more electricity and hotter than 28nm. Hotter means less durability, Ive seen in CPU and it should be similar to this or any chip.
2. A preorder 2TH is coming from "you know who" in less than $6000 that shipped start at 30 April. As I said from point 1, that a 28nm will need less electricity, that 2TH have a 28nm with only 1050 watt. And again its preorder.
3. In TH perspective it should be $2900 minus case and PSU ($200 in my calculation and divide by 2 since S2 only has 1TH).
4. For an old technology (55nm), hotter, more hunger, it should cheaper than 28nm (Even thought I know a 55nm production more costly than a 28nm).
So even if there's people sayin it sold 5 or 10 items or sold out, I still hoping it down to $2500 (with case and a 1200 watt PSU). Since it will be two things in my mind, It would be marketing work to hold the price OR its true and would do mass production with some revisions (better performance and less expensive)
Thank you
NO need to worry... SOLD OUT 
Well that makes my decision much easier!
More Ant S1s it is.
aaaand its gone.
NO need to worry... SOLD OUT
I have 3 high quality 1000 watt psu running 6 s-1's . my need for the psu is 0
So an good enermax cost 150 usd shipping is 20 usd.
Sell me a 1th unit without the psu.
reduce the price to 5.6btc maybe 5.5btc
Sorry, where can you buy a 1000W Gold Enermax for $150?So an good enermax cost 150 usd shipping is 20 usd.
Sell me a 1th unit without the psu.
reduce the price to 5.6btc maybe 5.5btc
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007657%20600037998%20600014107%20600014110%20600112163&IsNodeId=1&bop=And&Order=PRICE&PageSize=20
you are correct i can't find one lower then 200.
but with 3 of these what do I need it for.
http://www.amazon.com/Fractal-Design-1000-Watt-Certified-FD-PSU-NT3W-1000W/dp/B009LHF5GM/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1394815491&sr=8-3&keywords=fractal+design+newton+1000+watt
plain and simple dumb move to force that psu on us. we purchased lots of antminers from them and now they want to stick us with psu's many of us don't need.
and I want the new gear but I feel that the psu is a problem for me.
Think this was a sign for me to wait til price of these comes down, in the meantime, more S1's it is.
Even more so when you consider that the S2 is still a pre-order product; they don't exist yet and there may be unforeseen delays.
Claiming they "don't exist" is a bit of a stretch. Bitmain has a track record of not announcing products until they are very close to shipping. They don't do 6 month in advance pre-orders like other companies.
Yes, when they say they are shipping 4-1-14, then that is probably right. They've always been spot on with their shipping dates. I've ordered a ton from them.
Even more so when you consider that the S2 is still a pre-order product; they don't exist yet and there may be unforeseen delays.
Claiming they "don't exist" is a bit of a stretch. Bitmain has a track record of not announcing products until they are very close to shipping. They don't do 6 month in advance pre-orders like other companies.
Yes, when they say they are shipping 4-1-14, then that is probably right. They've always been spot on with their shipping dates. I've ordered a ton from them.
Now I'm really torn between Gridseed and Bitmain 
At this price I'm really unsure.
BTC difficulty is sky high and will go higher.
Do you all think that for small miners it's time to move to SCRYPT ?
At this price I'm really unsure.
BTC difficulty is sky high and will go higher.
Do you all think that for small miners it's time to move to SCRYPT ?
Im personally going to get of the s1's, maybe replace it with a s2, buy another s2, and then buy either the hex 6 fury USB sticks, (15 gh/s per) or get some usb stick scrypt asic miners from either zeusminer.com or fibonacci.io ALso, whats your definition of "small time" ?
Small time miner - 1Th is small miner or better said hobbyist.
I have 4 ants S1 and 5200kh/s in GPU's at the moment which is nothing.
GPU's consume 1800W/h at 0,18$ KW/H
I'm going to sell all GPU's in April and I'm not sure if I should buy this TH miner or gridseed miners.
Even more so when you consider that the S2 is still a pre-order product; they don't exist yet and there may be unforeseen delays.
Claiming they "don't exist" is a bit of a stretch. Bitmain has a track record of not announcing products until they are very close to shipping. They don't do 6 month in advance pre-orders like other companies.
The S2's main selling points over the S1 are the reduced power consumption and more integrated design (built-in PSU).
Most S1's will do 200 GH/s, so 5 S1's will equal an S2 (we don't know what overclocking ability an S2 will have, and it's pointless to speculate). 5 S1's are 5 BTC and you can buy a good 800W (2 Ants) and 1200W (3 Ants) PSU to run them for less than 0.5 BTC; an S2 is 6.1 BTC making it at least 0.6 BTC more expensive than an S1.
If you order 5 S1's today you'll have them 2-3 weeks before an S2. Not only are the S1's (plus 2 PSUs) cheaper, but you'll have 2-3 weeks worth of extra mining time with them. That will give you an extra 2 BTC.
Seems to me that unless power (or space) is a major concern, the S1 remains the more attractive product in terms of financials. Even more so when you consider that the S2 is still a pre-order product; they don't exist yet and there may be unforeseen delays. I can't speak for anyone except myself, but I'm done encouraging companies to keep playing the pre-order game, no matter who they are.
Most S1's will do 200 GH/s, so 5 S1's will equal an S2 (we don't know what overclocking ability an S2 will have, and it's pointless to speculate). 5 S1's are 5 BTC and you can buy a good 800W (2 Ants) and 1200W (3 Ants) PSU to run them for less than 0.5 BTC; an S2 is 6.1 BTC making it at least 0.6 BTC more expensive than an S1.
If you order 5 S1's today you'll have them 2-3 weeks before an S2. Not only are the S1's (plus 2 PSUs) cheaper, but you'll have 2-3 weeks worth of extra mining time with them. That will give you an extra 2 BTC.
Seems to me that unless power (or space) is a major concern, the S1 remains the more attractive product in terms of financials. Even more so when you consider that the S2 is still a pre-order product; they don't exist yet and there may be unforeseen delays. I can't speak for anyone except myself, but I'm done encouraging companies to keep playing the pre-order game, no matter who they are.
I wonder how low the clocks have to be dropped to reach the target voltage to stay at 1W/GH....
if its half the speed to meet 1W/GH, then each machine will have around 640 chips in it...
Which means S1 could be sold for half the price they are asking now. Based on chip density.
I wonder how easily the S2 will be oc'able ... knowing that its chips will be severely undervolted.
if its half the speed to meet 1W/GH, then each machine will have around 640 chips in it...
Which means S1 could be sold for half the price they are asking now. Based on chip density.
I wonder how easily the S2 will be oc'able ... knowing that its chips will be severely undervolted.
Overcloking also means much much MUCH more stress to other components than psu, if this is designed to be run 1th 1kw i doubt it could do oc 2kw or Bitmain would have shipped them as 1.4th miners
Chip designing costs up to millions $$$ Bitmain has already made ROI with BM1380. Minting the chips cost very little now.
Bitmain is just milking them more. Hats for them stretching it out to meet 1TH / 1KW
But 640 chips huh... Avalon3 is doing 1TH/780w with 210 chips. Which they will sell cheap. Avalon wants to compete with price. We will see how much Bitmain can fight with the price.
I am looking forward seeing some good opensource designs with the Avalon chips... we all hate Avalon but now they are chip minting factory offering oem designs with much better chips.
I was kinda hoping Bitmain to make a deal with Innosilicon and A1
Game is on! We will see the difficulty to jump 25% again.
Most of you are talking about ROI... I was looking at all of the pre-orders and by the time they come and you start mining you don't even make your money back...
In order to get 1TH/s with 5 x S1, you will need overclock it thus bringing the Watt consumption to roughly 2,000W... 5 x S1 = 4.96BTC, plus additional 8,760W = 1.3 BTC -- Total 6.26 BTC over a year
S2: 1TH, 1,000Watts, 6.1 BTC and not even overclocked... So you actually dont save much by buying 5 x S1, and you don't get much from S2 other then free PSU.
So stop complaining about the price or it is not 28nm or 20nm... Mining is pretty much Zero sums game with minimal profit unless you start building your asics to make $$$$.
You also need to ask the question, will the global hash rate grow at the same pace for another 10 - 12 months by 15 -20 % per increment? Cos if you do even a 2TH machine will make you as much as what what USB Asics make by January...
In order to get 1TH/s with 5 x S1, you will need overclock it thus bringing the Watt consumption to roughly 2,000W... 5 x S1 = 4.96BTC, plus additional 8,760W = 1.3 BTC -- Total 6.26 BTC over a year
S2: 1TH, 1,000Watts, 6.1 BTC and not even overclocked... So you actually dont save much by buying 5 x S1, and you don't get much from S2 other then free PSU.
So stop complaining about the price or it is not 28nm or 20nm... Mining is pretty much Zero sums game with minimal profit unless you start building your asics to make $$$$.
You also need to ask the question, will the global hash rate grow at the same pace for another 10 - 12 months by 15 -20 % per increment? Cos if you do even a 2TH machine will make you as much as what what USB Asics make by January...
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