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legendary
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September 16, 2014, 01:08:31 AM
It's ONE per household per rebate offer/campaign and not for eternity and they occur pretty frequently; and I'm certain there are CREATIVE ways around such limitation.  I've purchased CX500s at the Egg at a final cost as low as $9.99 ($39.99 list price minus $20 rebate minus $10 instant promo code discount).  I have purchased several CX500s this way since the BFL Single SC days through the Cube era.  I, in turn, had used the rebate VISA cards to purchase Egg gift cards and apply them to purchase more CX500s with ZERO out-of-pocket cost.  That's the most bang for the buck for me.

If you use it for any length of time, the bronze will cost you more in the long run.  Won't take long to recoup the $40-$50 you'd save having a gold 1300w PSU.  Plus you need more outlets.

M

That's a fair assessment.  It would be nice if you could illustrate the details of the figures though.

Off the top of my head, the difference between PSUs with 90% and 85% efficiency would be around 20WAC at the wall with a stock S3+ which equates to about 0.48kWh per day.  At $0.12/kWh power rate, that's around $0.06/day difference.  Therefore, $50 / $0.06 = 833 days = 28 months = 2.28 years to recoup a $50 difference in price.  Is this what you had in mind?

Re needing more outlets, that's what power strips are for; and I've got enough of them already and I'm almost certain that most of us do.  It could also be argued that using a single/dedicated PSU for each S3 eliminates a single point of failure of three S3s powered by a single PSU.

The CX500 is "at least 82%" according to NewEgg.
The Lightning 1300 is "at least 87%", and "up to 92%".

That 5% span is what you estimated above. 

In typical manufacturer garble, the spec sheet lists the CX500 as "> 80%" and the Lightning as "> 87%".  How that translates into "at least 82%" for the CX500 is anyone's guess.

Also remember you do get what you pay for.  The golds are higher quality, will last longer, and will feed better power to your units.  2.28 years may seem like a long time, but I know I've had my PSUs around for mining longer than that.  And if the day comes when I'm no longer mining, I'll likely find a new home easier for my gold PSU than your bronze PSU.

M

I just didn't pull random numbers out of a top hat.  In fact, you didn't exactly provide supporting data with your "Won't take long to recoup the $40-$50 you'd save having a gold 1300w PSU" statement so I took the liberty of providing one in a jiffy.  You made a statement without offering details to support such a statement; I merely tried to make sense out of it.  Having said that,  I don't go by what the Egg says or what Wikipedia says or what the spec sheet says in this case because there are more accurate PSU data in the form of actual 80 Plus certification test results.  That's the whole point of the 80 Plus ratings, isn't it?  The following links are actual test data of a CX500 and a Lightning-1300.  Take note of the "actual" efficiency values and tell me if 5% efficiency difference between a "Gold" and "Bronze" is far off as you alluded, especially at around 80% load where we usually operate our PSUs at.  Use the efficiency values at 50% load and at 100% load to interpolate and determine efficiency values at a given load in between using ratios and proportions:

http://www.plugloadsolutions.com/psu_reports/CORSAIR_75-001667_ECOS%203258_500W_Report.pdf
http://www.plugloadsolutions.com/psu_reports/ROSEWILL%20INC._LIGHTING-1300_ECOS%202330.1_1300W_Report.pdf

If you were gonna nitpick to squeeze out another 1% efficiency difference between them, then by all means, lets make it a 6% difference instead of 5%.  That adds 0.1kWh/day -- from 0.5kWh/day to 0.6kWh/day.  Again, based on $0.12/kWh, that's an increase from $0.06/day to $0.07/day; recouping a $50 price difference from 28 months to 24 months .  Big deal!

When you admonished others in here about unnecessarily wasting money on expensive PSUs and suggested a cheaper alternative PSU (Rosewill Lightning-1300), I actually agreed with you:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8825455

However, it is funny that when I suggested a much cheaper alternative PSU (Corsair CX500) over your suggestion, you don't seem to agree with it which actually contradicts with your original point of saving money as far as PSU purchase is concerned.

I agree.  You get what you pay for.  I have a couple of XP boxes.  I built them almost 15 years ago using a made-in-Taiwan-special generic PSU that I got from Fry's really dirt cheap.  I still fire 'em up on a regular basis.  I guess that counts as "getting what I paid for".  Of course, I also have an assortment of PSUs including workhorses such as AX1200, AX850, GS600, CX500 (some have been mining continuously since the BFL days), some Antecs and more generic stuff.  They are all still working...so, I guess I got what I paid for.  In the end, it's all relative.

sr. member
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September 16, 2014, 12:51:26 AM
Hi soy, thanks.  what has me most concerned is the noise.  the fans spin at 3000 !  it's ridiculously loud, and i am running it stock at 218.75.  Bitmain tried to tell me this is normal.  Unreal.  my s3 used to have the fan run at 1800-2100 at stock.  i have a jet in my living room now.  unreal.   



 I am going to test these in my s-3

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00A460TK6/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1


they should fit and be quiet

Are those holes on the 140mm fan at the 120mm fan placement for the screws?  If not, then I don't think that fan will fit.  I see on BitMain's site that the fans listed are supposed to be 14038's, but I just took the fan off one of my S3+'s that arrived today and they're actually 120mm x 38mm fans.
member
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September 16, 2014, 12:12:48 AM
I messaged Bitmain about my order that didn't confirm and got the below responses:

Quote from: BITMAIN
Hi, we'll confirm the order manually, no worries.
Hi, Confirmed your order, will arrange shipping as schedule. We are waiting for the bitcoins transferred from blockchain.
Thanks!

Mine is now showing as confirmed, as I imagine are just about everyone else's.
legendary
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September 16, 2014, 12:06:42 AM
Hi soy, thanks.  what has me most concerned is the noise.  the fans spin at 3000 !  it's ridiculously loud, and i am running it stock at 218.75.  Bitmain tried to tell me this is normal.  Unreal.  my s3 used to have the fan run at 1800-2100 at stock.  i have a jet in my living room now.  unreal.   



 I am going to test these in my s-3

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00A460TK6/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1


they should fit and be quiet
sr. member
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September 15, 2014, 11:12:30 PM
The Ax1200i really is a top notch PSU. I didn't actually buy them for the S3 units, I had 4 left over from my Litecoin GPU rigs that I've long since shut down.

But running 3 S3 units has been no problem. The PSU fan doesn't even seem to be at full speed. They've been running for weeks.

Room temperature may also affect the draw. Our Ants are in a cool server room, which helps keep them and the PSU cool. I'm also on filtered AC Power. So voltage off the wall might also factor into it. If off the wall you're Voltage is 116 vs 110, that's a 5% increase in power input.

Our large order of S3+ Units come in Tuesday (BitMain Shipping Confirmed Yesterday).  We've bought a dozen EVGA 1300 G2 Units. I am going to see how they compare.

Hoping I may be able to squeeze in 4 Units per 1300 even if I have to underclock. I'll post results and use my kill-a-watt to get you all numbers.

Strato

The Ax1200i may be top notch, but I don't understand the desire to throw money at it unless it's for fun.  

For less than half of that I can get a Rosewill Lightning Gold 1300W PSU.  I know it can run three S3s because I've used it to drive three OC'd S1s without a problem.

I think the only think the Ax1200i has going for it is it is pretty.  Seriously.  Well, alright, you can connect it up to a PC to see real time values.

Otherwise, they look identical, except the Lightning has 108A on the 12V rail, and Ax1200i has 100.4A.  Everything else important looks the same to me .. fan size, warranty, efficiency (what is Platinum supposed to get you?).  Except price of course.

Again, I ask why?

(NewEgg has Lightning at $149.99 AR, only $10 more $20 less than the equivalent eVGA.  The Ax1200i is at $329.99.)

M

I couldn't agree with you more.

Alternatively, I think the Corsair CX500 has the best bang for the buck especially when timed with the regularly-occurring $20 rebate offer in conjunction with additional promo code discounts of up to $10 at the Egg, bringing down the cost to as low as $10-$20 each depending on the list price.


Corsair will only pay ONE rebate per household per item. The cheapest I ever bought corsair cx500's was $45 after coupons etc. They are the best PSU for the price and they never burn wires. DO NOT buy the modular Corsair's though. The plugs they use are cheap and THEY WILL MELT  even with just one S1 running at 200gh.

I ran 2 sets of 3 S1s overclocked on one Corsair PSU for about a year and never had a problem with any parts melting or overheating.  Maybe Ill try the lightning out as well with my next batch of S3s
I find that hard to believe since you couldn't even buy them until the end of November and it is only September.

Hence the word "about."  My point is, I never experienced an issue with these PSUs even when I had them installed in my PCs.  They are versatile in my experience
hero member
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September 15, 2014, 11:00:22 PM
Hi soy, thanks.  what has me most concerned is the noise.  the fans spin at 3000 !  it's ridiculously loud, and i am running it stock at 218.75.  Bitmain tried to tell me this is normal.  Unreal.  my s3 used to have the fan run at 1800-2100 at stock.  i have a jet in my living room now.  unreal.   
legendary
Activity: 3892
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September 15, 2014, 10:58:46 PM
Hi all, i have question.  i had an s3 with bad asics on chain 2.  Bitmain RMA'd my faulty pcb chain 2 and sent me an RMA board.  when i received it i noticed right away that it had a burnt spot on the pcb (not sure what the component that has been melted is ?)  it appears to have had some sort of heat or flare up issue prior to them sending it to me.  i continued to put thermal paste and mount it to my s3.  right away i noticed that my fans were spinning at 2800-3000 (within the first 30 seconds of it hashing).  normally my s3's fan spun anywhere from 1800-2150 (tops).  my s3 is not overclocked, it's running at 218.75.  

anyone have any clue what's up with it ?  i cannot have this s3 spinning its fans at 3000.  I live in a tiny apartment.  I contacted Bitmain right away and sent them the pictures that i am posting and listed the issue.  

i forgot to mention that the temperature of chain 2 is 9 degrees higher than my chain 1 (again within the first minute of hashing)

additional details...this device had a faulty control card that kept it from hashing for 1 month, and had a bad chain 2 that had it missing 140gh/s for 2 weeks.  All in all i have missed damn near of 1.5 months of mining with device.  the device has been a lemon from the start and continues to get worse.  as much as i feel like Bitmain has been helpful, I am upset because they knowingly sent me a faulty PCB as my RMA.  



That gray discoloration next to the center cap?  If I were to guess it might be that they had to remove the cap and used a hot air desoldering tool.  Those don't just heat up the solder joint but the area near it as well.  I'd be more interested in keeping the ASIC pins free from debris.

after 2-3 mo of use, I had white discoloration on S1 boards-it never affected anything.
soy
legendary
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September 15, 2014, 10:54:59 PM
Hi all, i have question.  i had an s3 with bad asics on chain 2.  Bitmain RMA'd my faulty pcb chain 2 and sent me an RMA board.  when i received it i noticed right away that it had a burnt spot on the pcb (not sure what the component that has been melted is ?)  it appears to have had some sort of heat or flare up issue prior to them sending it to me.  i continued to put thermal paste and mount it to my s3.  right away i noticed that my fans were spinning at 2800-3000 (within the first 30 seconds of it hashing).  normally my s3's fan spun anywhere from 1800-2150 (tops).  my s3 is not overclocked, it's running at 218.75.  

anyone have any clue what's up with it ?  i cannot have this s3 spinning its fans at 3000.  I live in a tiny apartment.  I contacted Bitmain right away and sent them the pictures that i am posting and listed the issue.  

i forgot to mention that the temperature of chain 2 is 9 degrees higher than my chain 1 (again within the first minute of hashing)

additional details...this device had a faulty control card that kept it from hashing for 1 month, and had a bad chain 2 that had it missing 140gh/s for 2 weeks.  All in all i have missed damn near of 1.5 months of mining with device.  the device has been a lemon from the start and continues to get worse.  as much as i feel like Bitmain has been helpful, I am upset because they knowingly sent me a faulty PCB as my RMA.  








That gray discoloration next to the center cap?  If I were to guess it might be that they had to remove the cap and used a hot air desoldering tool.  Those don't just heat up the solder joint but the area near it as well.  I'd be more interested in keeping the ASIC pins free from debris.
soy
legendary
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September 15, 2014, 10:49:55 PM
It's ONE per household per rebate offer/campaign and not for eternity and they occur pretty frequently; and I'm certain there are CREATIVE ways around such limitation.  I've purchased CX500s at the Egg at a final cost as low as $9.99 ($39.99 list price minus $20 rebate minus $10 instant promo code discount).  I have purchased several CX500s this way since the BFL Single SC days through the Cube era.  I, in turn, had used the rebate VISA cards to purchase Egg gift cards and apply them to purchase more CX500s with ZERO out-of-pocket cost.  That's the most bang for the buck for me.

If you use it for any length of time, the bronze will cost you more in the long run.  Won't take long to recoup the $40-$50 you'd save having a gold 1300w PSU.  Plus you need more outlets.

M

That's a fair assessment.  It would be nice if you could illustrate the details of the figures though.

Off the top of my head, the difference between PSUs with 90% and 85% efficiency would be around 20WAC at the wall with a stock S3+ which equates to about 0.48kWh per day.  At $0.12/kWh power rate, that's around $0.06/day difference.  Therefore, $50 / $0.06 = 833 days = 28 months = 2.28 years to recoup a $50 difference in price.  Is this what you had in mind?

Re needing more outlets, that's what power strips are for; and I've got enough of them already and I'm almost certain that most of us do.  It could also be argued that using a single/dedicated PSU for each S3 eliminates a single point of failure of three S3s powered by a single PSU.

The CX500 is "at least 82%" according to NewEgg.
The Lightning 1300 is "at least 87%", and "up to 92%".

That 5% span is what you estimated above. 

In typical manufacturer garble, the spec sheet lists the CX500 as "> 80%" and the Lightning as "> 87%".  How that translates into "at least 82%" for the CX500 is anyone's guess.

Also remember you do get what you pay for.  The golds are higher quality, will last longer, and will feed better power to your units.  2.28 years may seem like a long time, but I know I've had my PSUs around for mining longer than that.  And if the day comes when I'm no longer mining, I'll likely find a new home easier for my gold PSU than your bronze PSU.

M

Heck, maybe someone with two of those power supplies listed above can fire up a miner, get its kill-a-watt stats then change power supplies and see if the difference agrees with the chart.
legendary
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September 15, 2014, 10:45:31 PM
Spondoolies SP20 vs Antminer S3... which has better power efficiency and which has the better price? Discuss!

It might be a fair comparison if the SP20 shipped immediately. But it doesn't. There's no comparison. SP20 is far less profitable.
legendary
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September 15, 2014, 10:37:59 PM
Spondoolies SP20 vs Antminer S3... which has better power efficiency and which has the better price? Discuss!

The Spondoolies miner comes in at $.70/gh right now. Not even close to BMT.
I'm not sure what else there is to discuss.
At 1100W it's not even as efficient as the S3+.

0.64<0.78-true statement
0.64>0.78-false statement

0.67-for Sp-30

355 (w)/453GH=0.78 S-3
3000(w)/4500GH=0.67 SP-30
1100(w)/1700GH=0.64 Sp-20

Price-wise, S-3 has a ~14% advantage over Sp-20 (~10% if giftcard was used)
full member
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September 15, 2014, 10:06:55 PM
Spondoolies SP20 vs Antminer S3... which has better power efficiency and which has the better price? Discuss!

The Spondoolies miner comes in at $.70/gh right now. Not even close to BMT.
I'm not sure what else there is to discuss.
At 1100W it's not even as efficient as the S3+.
legendary
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September 15, 2014, 09:52:50 PM
Spondoolies SP20 vs Antminer S3... which has better power efficiency and which has the better price? Discuss!
legendary
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September 15, 2014, 09:51:32 PM
Sept 1st order shipped this morning.
sr. member
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September 15, 2014, 09:45:52 PM
My order has been paid for but expired and I have emailed Bitmain with the information but no response.  Is anyone else having this issue?

Has it been 24 hours? Give them some time then e-mail the address on the website.

Thanks for the info.  I am concerned because I have two orders and they corrected the 2nd one but not the first one.  I will wait and see what happens after I email them. 
legendary
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https://bpip.org
September 15, 2014, 09:34:05 PM
My order has been paid for but expired and I have emailed Bitmain with the information but no response.  Is anyone else having this issue?

Has it been 24 hours? Give them some time then e-mail the address on the website.
newbie
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September 15, 2014, 09:07:55 PM
For those still waiting on B8 shipment, my order from Aug 27th went out on the 13th and an Aug 30th order went out early this morning.
sr. member
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September 15, 2014, 08:34:41 PM
My order has been paid for but expired and I have emailed Bitmain with the information but no response.  Is anyone else having this issue?
hero member
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September 15, 2014, 08:21:40 PM
Hi all, i have question.  i had an s3 with bad asics on chain 2.  Bitmain RMA'd my faulty pcb chain 2 and sent me an RMA board.  when i received it i noticed right away that it had a burnt spot on the pcb (not sure what the component that has been melted is ?)  it appears to have had some sort of heat or flare up issue prior to them sending it to me.  i continued to put thermal paste and mount it to my s3.  right away i noticed that my fans were spinning at 2800-3000 (within the first 30 seconds of it hashing).  normally my s3's fan spun anywhere from 1800-2150 (tops).  my s3 is not overclocked, it's running at 218.75.  

anyone have any clue what's up with it ?  i cannot have this s3 spinning its fans at 3000.  I live in a tiny apartment.  I contacted Bitmain right away and sent them the pictures that i am posting and listed the issue.  

i forgot to mention that the temperature of chain 2 is 9 degrees higher than my chain 1 (again within the first minute of hashing)

additional details...this device had a faulty control card that kept it from hashing for 1 month, and had a bad chain 2 that had it missing 140gh/s for 2 weeks.  All in all i have missed damn near of 1.5 months of mining with device.  the device has been a lemon from the start and continues to get worse.  as much as i feel like Bitmain has been helpful, I am upset because they knowingly sent me a faulty PCB as my RMA.  






legendary
Activity: 1540
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September 15, 2014, 06:12:41 PM
It's ONE per household per rebate offer/campaign and not for eternity and they occur pretty frequently; and I'm certain there are CREATIVE ways around such limitation.  I've purchased CX500s at the Egg at a final cost as low as $9.99 ($39.99 list price minus $20 rebate minus $10 instant promo code discount).  I have purchased several CX500s this way since the BFL Single SC days through the Cube era.  I, in turn, had used the rebate VISA cards to purchase Egg gift cards and apply them to purchase more CX500s with ZERO out-of-pocket cost.  That's the most bang for the buck for me.

If you use it for any length of time, the bronze will cost you more in the long run.  Won't take long to recoup the $40-$50 you'd save having a gold 1300w PSU.  Plus you need more outlets.

M

That's a fair assessment.  It would be nice if you could illustrate the details of the figures though.

Off the top of my head, the difference between PSUs with 90% and 85% efficiency would be around 20WAC at the wall with a stock S3+ which equates to about 0.48kWh per day.  At $0.12/kWh power rate, that's around $0.06/day difference.  Therefore, $50 / $0.06 = 833 days = 28 months = 2.28 years to recoup a $50 difference in price.  Is this what you had in mind?

Re needing more outlets, that's what power strips are for; and I've got enough of them already and I'm almost certain that most of us do.  It could also be argued that using a single/dedicated PSU for each S3 eliminates a single point of failure of three S3s powered by a single PSU.

The CX500 is "at least 82%" according to NewEgg.
The Lightning 1300 is "at least 87%", and "up to 92%".

That 5% span is what you estimated above. 

In typical manufacturer garble, the spec sheet lists the CX500 as "> 80%" and the Lightning as "> 87%".  How that translates into "at least 82%" for the CX500 is anyone's guess.

Also remember you do get what you pay for.  The golds are higher quality, will last longer, and will feed better power to your units.  2.28 years may seem like a long time, but I know I've had my PSUs around for mining longer than that.  And if the day comes when I'm no longer mining, I'll likely find a new home easier for my gold PSU than your bronze PSU.

M
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