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September 16, 2014, 05:22:09 PM
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I wouldn't be so sure. I think they can squeeze 2 TH/s out of 1100-1200W.
2000G * 0.7W/GH = 1400W MINIMUM...OK... Huh

The assumption is that the S4 works with underclocked/undervolted ASICS to reach a better W/GH ratio, I would assume somewhere between 0.55 and 0.65 W/GH, so one 1300/1400W power supply could indeed do. But of course we'll not know for sure till @BITMAIN reveals the exact specs.
still, they wont give you something like
Evga 1500w Platinum  Cheesy  Cheesy  Cheesy


and, btw...
5units of S3+ = 355w x 5 = 1,775W

i assume S4 will be around 1500w - 1700w
they wont waste chips like that..
they better selling chips like avalon do than planting so much undervolted chips
and sell it so damn cheap  Grin
they're not doing charity here buddy  Cheesy
You don't need an "EVGA Platinum".  You need a good, high efficiency server power supply, and you for sure don't need 1500w to power 2TH.  A server class PSU will beat the pants off of any consumer model at any time.

You will get higher efficiency out of a server-class PSU, and even better if you're running on 240v instead of 120.  Take a look at the SPTech specs for their servers, and do the math to see what they're pulling, and they're doing it at 90+ efficiency.  The one thing I'll give SPTech is that they are built well, using (supposedly) higher end server grade parts.

By undervolting you achieve several different things.  Yes, you lower your hashrate, but you also lower power draw significantly, lower heat generation, and raise efficiency which allow you to get higher numbers with much more stability.  The ASIC chips themselves are cheap, they're only "wasting" a few bucks by having to add a few more when undervolted.  Seriously an extra hashboard to them is probably $50, so when you're dealing with a $1000 server that's really not much at all.
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September 16, 2014, 05:05:52 PM
It looks like the S3 upgrade kits dont come with the enclosure...

 which I must assume is going to make them run hotter than an S3...

Does anyone have some slick ideas for an enclosure to get around these? CHEAP not something someone made.

Besides taping cardboard around them, which I may end up doing.

Or I may just fabricate some sheet metal.  
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September 16, 2014, 04:52:37 PM
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I wouldn't be so sure. I think they can squeeze 2 TH/s out of 1100-1200W.
2000G * 0.7W/GH = 1400W MINIMUM...OK... Huh

The assumption is that the S4 works with underclocked/undervolted ASICS to reach a better W/GH ratio, I would assume somewhere between 0.55 and 0.65 W/GH, so one 1300/1400W power supply could indeed do. But of course we'll not know for sure till @BITMAIN reveals the exact specs.
still, they wont give you something like
Evga 1500w Platinum  Cheesy  Cheesy  Cheesy


and, btw...
5units of S3+ = 355w x 5 = 1,775W

i assume S4 will be around 1500w - 1700w
they wont waste chips like that..
they better selling chips like avalon do than planting so much undervolted chips
and sell it so damn cheap  Grin
they're not doing charity here buddy  Cheesy

In the U.S. a standard electrical socket is rated at 1600w max. I believe, so I don't think they'll go over that.  Would be nice if a 1300w single power supply would be able to handle the new S4 with the EVGA G2 so cheap right now.


A 20 Amp 110 v circuit can handle a continuos load of roughly 2000 watts, not 1600. Give or take a bit of course.  Most new construction uses 20 amp breakers.

Strato


For continuous load you should not put more than max 1650w on a 20amp breaker, or the breaker will get hot and eventually burn out. Just like your tires going on the road 100MPH all the time. The formula for continuous load is subtract 25%.  If your wire or breaker feels to hot then you are doing something wrong. 2000W is a no no.
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September 16, 2014, 04:44:27 PM
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I wouldn't be so sure. I think they can squeeze 2 TH/s out of 1100-1200W.
2000G * 0.7W/GH = 1400W MINIMUM...OK... Huh

The assumption is that the S4 works with underclocked/undervolted ASICS to reach a better W/GH ratio, I would assume somewhere between 0.55 and 0.65 W/GH, so one 1300/1400W power supply could indeed do. But of course we'll not know for sure till @BITMAIN reveals the exact specs.
still, they wont give you something like
Evga 1500w Platinum  Cheesy  Cheesy  Cheesy


and, btw...
5units of S3+ = 355w x 5 = 1,775W

i assume S4 will be around 1500w - 1700w
they wont waste chips like that..
they better selling chips like avalon do than planting so much undervolted chips
and sell it so damn cheap  Grin
they're not doing charity here buddy  Cheesy

In the U.S. a standard electrical socket is rated at 1600w max. I believe, so I don't think they'll go over that.  Would be nice if a 1300w single power supply would be able to handle the new S4 with the EVGA G2 so cheap right now.


A 20 Amp 110 v circuit can handle a continuos load of roughly 2000 watts, not 1600. Give or take a bit of course.  Most new construction uses 20 amp breakers.

Strato
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September 16, 2014, 04:12:36 PM
We are glad to share the news of ANTMINER S4 2TH/s, Batch 1 will be on sale this week, shipped before Sept. ends.

Bitmain, can you tell us the dimensions of this new unit? I'm interested in rack mounting it if possible.

Will it have "ears" for rack mounting, or at least an option? I'm not a big fan of installing shelves to hold boxes like this.

I'm of course interested in the price as well, but I assume you're not going to pre-announce that. However you must already know the dimensions of the box if you're shipping before the end of the month, so hopefully you'll answer my question.

EDIT - Sorry! I'll ask this on the S4 thread instead Wink
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September 16, 2014, 04:00:20 PM
If the price and/or power of an S4 is equivalent or even a bit less than S3, I’ll stick with the S3’s. Can’t afford to lose 2T if the box goes down… Having a nightmare of time with my CoinTerra shits boxes…

S2 was sketchy in the beginning, but my later batch S2 worked for 20-30 days straight with no interruptions. It was great.
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September 16, 2014, 03:57:52 PM
If the price and/or power of an S4 is equivalent or even a bit less than S3, I’ll stick with the S3’s. Can’t afford to lose 2T if the box goes down… Having a nightmare of time with my CoinTerra shits boxes…
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September 16, 2014, 03:26:33 PM
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I wouldn't be so sure. I think they can squeeze 2 TH/s out of 1100-1200W.
2000G * 0.7W/GH = 1400W MINIMUM...OK... Huh

The assumption is that the S4 works with underclocked/undervolted ASICS to reach a better W/GH ratio, I would assume somewhere between 0.55 and 0.65 W/GH, so one 1300/1400W power supply could indeed do. But of course we'll not know for sure till @BITMAIN reveals the exact specs.
still, they wont give you something like
Evga 1500w Platinum  Cheesy  Cheesy  Cheesy


and, btw...
5units of S3+ = 355w x 5 = 1,775W

i assume S4 will be around 1500w - 1700w
they wont waste chips like that..
they better selling chips like avalon do than planting so much undervolted chips
and sell it so damn cheap  Grin
they're not doing charity here buddy  Cheesy

In the U.S. a standard electrical socket is rated at 1600w max. I believe, so I don't think they'll go over that.  Would be nice if a 1300w single power supply would be able to handle the new S4 with the EVGA G2 so cheap right now.
legendary
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September 16, 2014, 03:20:59 PM
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I wouldn't be so sure. I think they can squeeze 2 TH/s out of 1100-1200W.
2000G * 0.7W/GH = 1400W MINIMUM...OK... Huh

The assumption is that the S4 works with underclocked/undervolted ASICS to reach a better W/GH ratio, I would assume somewhere between 0.55 and 0.65 W/GH, so one 1300/1400W power supply could indeed do. But of course we'll not know for sure till @BITMAIN reveals the exact specs.
still, they wont give you something like
Evga 1500w Platinum  Cheesy  Cheesy  Cheesy


and, btw...
5units of S3+ = 355w x 5 = 1,775W

i assume S4 will be around 1500w - 1700w
they wont waste chips like that..
they better selling chips like avalon do than planting so much undervolted chips
and sell it so damn cheap  Grin
they're not doing charity here buddy  Cheesy

they "wasted" them like that on the s2....


the s2 chip freq is 192.... the s1 is 350

This is my thought. I don't know if they'll under clock enough to run on the 1050w supplies like before, but 1200w supplies are reasonably common and we'll priced enough that 2th/1.2kw seems like a fair target, and if psu is included it would justify a 2.4btc price tag



I agree I have all my S2's upgraded to 1350W Platinum power supplies and over clocked to 1.11TH so I think with new chips and 1300 Watt power supply close to 2TH is a good target or 1.7TH is acceptable
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September 16, 2014, 02:33:37 PM
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I wouldn't be so sure. I think they can squeeze 2 TH/s out of 1100-1200W.
2000G * 0.7W/GH = 1400W MINIMUM...OK... Huh

The assumption is that the S4 works with underclocked/undervolted ASICS to reach a better W/GH ratio, I would assume somewhere between 0.55 and 0.65 W/GH, so one 1300/1400W power supply could indeed do. But of course we'll not know for sure till @BITMAIN reveals the exact specs.
still, they wont give you something like
Evga 1500w Platinum  Cheesy  Cheesy  Cheesy


and, btw...
5units of S3+ = 355w x 5 = 1,775W

i assume S4 will be around 1500w - 1700w
they wont waste chips like that..
they better selling chips like avalon do than planting so much undervolted chips
and sell it so damn cheap  Grin
they're not doing charity here buddy  Cheesy

they "wasted" them like that on the s2....


the s2 chip freq is 192.... the s1 is 350

This is my thought. I don't know if they'll under clock enough to run on the 1050w supplies like before, but 1200w supplies are reasonably common and we'll priced enough that 2th/1.2kw seems like a fair target, and if psu is included it would justify a 2.4btc price tag

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September 16, 2014, 01:36:48 PM
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I wouldn't be so sure. I think they can squeeze 2 TH/s out of 1100-1200W.
2000G * 0.7W/GH = 1400W MINIMUM...OK... Huh

The assumption is that the S4 works with underclocked/undervolted ASICS to reach a better W/GH ratio, I would assume somewhere between 0.55 and 0.65 W/GH, so one 1300/1400W power supply could indeed do. But of course we'll not know for sure till @BITMAIN reveals the exact specs.
still, they wont give you something like
Evga 1500w Platinum  Cheesy  Cheesy  Cheesy


and, btw...
5units of S3+ = 355w x 5 = 1,775W

i assume S4 will be around 1500w - 1700w
they wont waste chips like that..
they better selling chips like avalon do than planting so much undervolted chips
and sell it so damn cheap  Grin
they're not doing charity here buddy  Cheesy

they "wasted" them like that on the s2....


the s2 chip freq is 192.... the s1 is 350
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September 16, 2014, 01:13:51 PM
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I wouldn't be so sure. I think they can squeeze 2 TH/s out of 1100-1200W.
2000G * 0.7W/GH = 1400W MINIMUM...OK... Huh

The assumption is that the S4 works with underclocked/undervolted ASICS to reach a better W/GH ratio, I would assume somewhere between 0.55 and 0.65 W/GH, so one 1300/1400W power supply could indeed do. But of course we'll not know for sure till @BITMAIN reveals the exact specs.
still, they wont give you something like
Evga 1500w Platinum  Cheesy  Cheesy  Cheesy


and, btw...
5units of S3+ = 355w x 5 = 1,775W

i assume S4 will be around 1500w - 1700w
they wont waste chips like that..
they better selling chips like avalon do than planting so much undervolted chips
and sell it so damn cheap  Grin
they're not doing charity here buddy  Cheesy
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September 16, 2014, 12:57:54 PM
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I wouldn't be so sure. I think they can squeeze 2 TH/s out of 1100-1200W.
2000G * 0.7W/GH = 1400W MINIMUM...OK... Huh

The assumption is that the S4 works with underclocked/undervolted ASICS to reach a better W/GH ratio, I would assume somewhere between 0.55 and 0.65 W/GH, so one 1300/1400W power supply could indeed do. But of course we'll not know for sure till @BITMAIN reveals the exact specs.
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September 16, 2014, 12:53:44 PM
a quit fan would be nice , by the Way how to Control the fan speed at S3 ?
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September 16, 2014, 12:50:17 PM
they could also add more chips at a lower voltage and freq. like the s2 compared to s1
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September 16, 2014, 12:48:19 PM
- S4... u'll get 2PSU inside for sure

I wouldn't be so sure. I think they can squeeze 2 TH/s out of 1100-1200W.

They can NOT...needs ~1400-1500W PSU(s)...

ZiG

Edit...: ...2000G * 0.7W/GH = 1400W MINIMUM...OK... Huh
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September 16, 2014, 11:21:15 AM
- S4... u'll get 2PSU inside for sure

I wouldn't be so sure. I think they can squeeze 2 TH/s out of 1100-1200W.
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September 16, 2014, 11:18:22 AM
Hi soy, thanks.  what has me most concerned is the noise.  the fans spin at 3000 !  it's ridiculously loud, and i am running it stock at 218.75.  Bitmain tried to tell me this is normal.  Unreal.  my s3 used to have the fan run at 1800-2100 at stock.  i have a jet in my living room now.  unreal.  



 I am going to test these in my s-3

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00A460TK6/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1


they should fit and be quiet

Are those holes on the 140mm fan at the 120mm fan placement for the screws?  If not, then I don't think that fan will fit.  I see on BitMain's site that the fans listed are supposed to be 14038's, but I just took the fan off one of my S3+'s that arrived today and they're actually 120mm x 38mm fans.


This fan appears to have a 120mm mounting, a PWM connection and a high static pressure, so it should tick all the boxes.  

I will be interested to hear how you get on with it, philipma.  I've had disappointing results with 140mm S3 inlet fans and the optimum arrangement for me turned out to be 120mm Corsair SP120 PWM on the inlet with a 140mm Thermalright TR-TY143 on the outlet - good performance and much quieter than standard BUT temps up about 1-2 degrees over the standard fans.

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September 16, 2014, 11:04:00 AM
Please beat SP20 in watts and price and I'll order a couple of truckloads  Grin
The SP20 is equivalent to the S3 in all aspects.  I don't know why SPTech would release that unit, at that hashrate, at that delayed timeframe because it's no better than an S3 which is shipping today.  Waiting another 6 weeks for something I can get next week (new), or now (used)?  No thanks.

I'm going to assume the S4 will be better than the SP20, and arrive sooner.  It should follow the same upgrade path just like the S1 -> S3.  Meaning, it should just about double the hashrate for the same wattage, which will mean 2th/s at 1100w.  I see it coming in at around 2.2-2.4th/s at 1200w, but that's just my guess.  The only real question is the price.  If it's up around $1800 like the original was, it's a hard sell.  If it's down around $1400 or lower, then it's a good unit.  If it's around $1000, then back up the truck... Smiley

they wont give u the best PSU inside these device  Grin
just like S2, enermax 1000W ==a
They're choking the PSU  hahaha

lets assume...

- i can buy a better PSU (in terms of efficiency, reliable, and trusted)
run it for 1or 2years  Cheesy, then sold it via local or Ebay with a good Price (prefer local)
and ofc its easy to sell PSU, just cut 10-20% of the new price (coz its 2nd hand)
so, maybe we dont need to calculate the PSU while we can get back about 80-90% money spent on it

- i buy 5 units of S3+ (BTC2.9) , run it without OC, i get 2250 Gh/s (we play long term and no AC, no money for it  Cheesy)

- S4... u'll get 2PSU inside for sure, they wont place something like 1500w Platinum for sure again.. Cheesy or... maybe they'll place server PSU
i dont trust these server PSUs. noisy, no warranty (even if Bitmain give u the warranty, its not worth it, heavy + wasting money on shipping back to China)
better get something that you can claim locally

- even if Bitmain give u 2units of 700 / 750 / 800 / 850 W PSU, can you claim it locally?
 Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin

hope you guys can compare it better than me, save ur money for the better things.. haha
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September 16, 2014, 11:02:37 AM
and its still better to buy S3+ than S4
while S4 temp is gonna be exactly the same as S2, above 45C in the open space without AC, while S3 below 45C
i dont think S4 is gonna be better than S3
I disagree here, simply because the S4 has something the S3 does not do easily - it plugs right in, you don't need to go through the external PSU and wire mess jungle.  That is for sure worth something a little extra, probably easily another .3-.4 BTC.

For those with access to a server room of some sort, this is a very attractive unit because it fits nicely in any standard rack and looks the part.

I think it'll be around 3 BTC.  If the specs are 2.2TH, then that's about 5 S3's which will run you over 3BTC when you factor in PSU costs.
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