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Topic: ANTMINER S5: 1155GH(+OverClock Potential), In Stock $0.319/GH & 0.51W/GH - page 190. (Read 451039 times)

sr. member
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I have ordered my first S5. Got to see how mining works with them. I have been mining with GPUs now for over a year.

Do you think it is more profitable to switch from GPU mining to ASIC mining via Antminer S5 for example? I don't have to pay for electricity anyways.
Therefore I could sell my GPUs (6x R9 280x and 3x r9 290) and switch them for ASICs. But lately GPU mining is dieing so hard. It was fun early, when coinlaunches were made. But there are so less coinlaunches in last time because of all the scams. The cards have been running on Nicehash since over 2-3 months now.
legendary
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Hi all,

So I'm a little new to mining btc with a ASIC miner. I just got my s5 the other day and I have scowered the Internet looking for ways to get the most hashing out of it with a quieter fan. All that aside I think I'm gonna use a noctura nf-f12. Right now I have a sonon 100cfm fan that is not as loud as the stock fan but it is still a bit loud. I also have a second fan pulling at 1350rpm 74cfm.
My temps are 55 and 58 at 275Mhz with 2 hardware errors over a 12 hour period. It hashes at about 900gh/s. I've not been able to get the miner to stock settings with other fans like everyone else on the forum without going into the 60c range which I read is da get zone.

Maybe it's my setup, it's out in the open on its side sitting on my desk. When do hardware errors become a concern? Why is it not recommended that the s5 not be allowed to enter the 60c range when over heating is set at 80?

Also, i love the s5 but I'm afraid of my energy bill. How do you guys pay for energy? Do you convert btc to currency and pay that way or just out of pocket and keep the btc mined?

Thanks, sorry if these are n00b questions and belong in a n00b section but they are about the s5

Eddie

I pay for power out of pocket and keep the btc. Just consider it as buying btc from your power provider.  Shocked
newbie
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Hi all,

So I'm a little new to mining btc with a ASIC miner. I just got my s5 the other day and I have scowered the Internet looking for ways to get the most hashing out of it with a quieter fan. All that aside I think I'm gonna use a noctura nf-f12. Right now I have a sonon 100cfm fan that is not as loud as the stock fan but it is still a bit loud. I also have a second fan pulling at 1350rpm 74cfm.
My temps are 55 and 58 at 275Mhz with 2 hardware errors over a 12 hour period. It hashes at about 900gh/s. I've not been able to get the miner to stock settings with other fans like everyone else on the forum without going into the 60c range which I read is da get zone.

Maybe it's my setup, it's out in the open on its side sitting on my desk. When do hardware errors become a concern? Why is it not recommended that the s5 not be allowed to enter the 60c range when over heating is set at 80?

Also, i love the s5 but I'm afraid of my energy bill. How do you guys pay for energy? Do you convert btc to currency and pay that way or just out of pocket and keep the btc mined?

Thanks, sorry if these are n00b questions and belong in a n00b section but they are about the s5

Eddie
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"Case" could have been made from one sheet of the same plastic which is used now, holes cut for cables at top and U-shaped square "case" covering sides and top.  Every cheap plastic thing is stamped "Made in China" so I think it can't be very hard to find producer for this "case". 

Unless the S5s are placed on a solid flat surface in the standard orientation as designed by Bitmain, the bottom would have to be closed up as well (the S3s are).  Otherwise, in any other orientation (on its side, vertical, etc.) or in standard orientation on wire shelving units, the bottom would effectively become an opening, thereby defeating the purpose of covering up the top (only).



Ok You are right. I didn't want to send plastic to landfill and used the protecting foam as hashing stand and resonance absorber.
After starting I realized that resonance was ny smallest problem.

 

 
legendary
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Now the money is free, and so the people will be
if you know how to manage your miners, you can ROI, i bought some s3 and they ROI'ed in 2.5 months including electricity, but if you just point them at a bitcoin pool and forget about them ya, you might never ROI

Could you point me to a thread with tips on what can be done to manage miners to achieve a better ROI?  Or would you please start one?


rent them out on westhash.com or nicehash.com for example.  For example during the whole paycoin scam..eh I mean hype the rates were up to like 0.05 btc per th and even higher....so in 3 days i got like 0.15btc for 1 s3+.  considering i paid 0.525 or something, (+stupid ups fees/taxes)
legendary
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"Case" could have been made from one sheet of the same plastic which is used now, holes cut for cables at top and U-shaped square "case" covering sides and top.  Every cheap plastic thing is stamped "Made in China" so I think it can't be very hard to find producer for this "case". 

Unless the S5s are placed on a solid flat surface in the standard orientation as designed by Bitmain, the bottom would have to be closed up as well (the S3s are).  Otherwise, in any other orientation (on its side, vertical, etc.) or in standard orientation on wire shelving units, the bottom would effectively become an opening, thereby defeating the purpose of covering up the top (only).

legendary
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Well do keep in mind the miners are disposable. They will be fully obsolete in less than 6-9 months time. So build to junk them. No need for expensive cases.

Strato

Not entirely disposable and obsolete.  Some people in here claim that they make some profit or at least break even or recoup some of the capital at a loss by selling off these used up miners.  There's obviously a market for it and so it would make sense that having a better case would also have a better resale value.  Also, 6-9 months of ownership of these units is a long time to be subjected to high noise levels and to be dealing with less efficient cooling by employing an open-case design as opposed to a closed system like in the S3s.

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They are a few options you can do, most of them "today" are not worth the hasle but most of the time, they are good and you just point your miners to the better one.

1 - Nicehash.com ( they pay you for your hash in BTC, usually better than mining straight bitcoin )
2 - LeaseArig ( you rent your rig to people )
3 - betarigs ( same as above )
4 - miningrigrental ( same as above )
5 - multipool.us (profit switching pool )
6 - and of course mining new coins at release and trading them went they hit the market ( If they do, its a gamble but pays best most of the time )

The easies is Nicehash put a password of (p=0.01225)
this is the current payout for mining bitcoins today, so if nicehash pays above, you`ll mine there, if under it will default to you second pool and mine bitcoins at your pool choice.

Hope it help and Happy Mining.

That is very helpful.  I did not realize that about Nicehash.  Thank you!
sr. member
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They are a few options you can do, most of them "today" are not worth the hasle but most of the time, they are good and you just point your miners to the better one.

1 - Nicehash.com ( they pay you for your hash in BTC, usually better than mining straight bitcoin )
2 - LeaseArig ( you rent your rig to people )
3 - betarigs ( same as above )
4 - miningrigrental ( same as above )
5 - multipool.us (profit switching pool )
6 - and of course mining new coins at release and trading them went they hit the market ( If they do, its a gamble but pays best most of the time )

The easies is Nicehash put a password of (p=0.01225)
this is the current payout for mining bitcoins today, so if nicehash pays above, you`ll mine there, if under it will default to you second pool and mine bitcoins at your pool choice.

Hope it help and Happy Mining.
newbie
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I just got my S5 hooked up today. I'm currently running 1 S5 on a 1300W EVGA Gold and will be adding a second. I replaced the stock fan with a Delta Electronics AFC1212DE-SP02 (Dell P/N Y4574) 120mmx120mmx38mm Cooling Fan, 148.34 CFM, 51dBA, 3900 RPM, 1.60 AMP, Dell 5-pin 4-wire Connector, which I bought on Amazon for $25 after shipping. So far I'm very impressed and my board temps are at 55/51 while running at room temperature in my office. I hooked the fan up using a molex adapter which is pulling power directly from the PSU.

For the noise level I went from 75 db stock fan to only 59 db with the Delta fan.

Using a kill-a-watt meter it is pulling 587 Watts at the wall while running at the factory 350MHZ speed and hashing at 1155GHs. That equates to a 0.508 W/GH ratio which is right on spec. I also suspect that running the smaller fan is probably saving me a few watts too.

I have 2 SP20 miners running at the same hash rate underclocked and they are getting about a 0.54 W/GH ratio, so for the same watts/hash rate the S5 is winning that battle. What I can't get over, as other are stating, is why is there no top or bottom? The cheap plastic sides are bad enough. Why couldn't you provide a plastic top and bottom. I can feel alot of air escaping the top and I'm forced to place these on a flat surface so air doesn't escape the bottom as well, where for the SP20's I can stack several of them. Not to mention I don't have to alter the SP20's fan or design. It's truely plug and play.
member
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if you know how to manage your miners, you can ROI, i bought some s3 and they ROI'ed in 2.5 months including electricity, but if you just point them at a bitcoin pool and forget about them ya, you might never ROI

Could you point me to a thread with tips on what can be done to manage miners to achieve a better ROI?  Or would you please start one?
sr. member
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still i don`t get   ...
 ROI is "never" ?? What is the point of purcasing S5...

i have 50pcs of S1 turned off for few months allready..and they are useless  Sad


if you know how to manage your miners, you can ROI, i bought some s3 and they ROI'ed in 2.5 months including electricity, but if you just point them at a bitcoin pool and forget about them ya, you might never ROI
full member
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Whenever you post your next resource, please make it exceptionally clear that overclocking will void a user's warranty.

I am not sure that is necessary as most mining rig owners know that OC'ing voids the warranty.
In any case, it is bitmain's responsibility to advise its customers about the terms of the warranty, and to my knowledge, I have never seen any official bitmain literature to that effect, bearing in mind that the so called overclocking frequencies ship as selectable options (on the S5 at least)!

Yeah, as we see above / below - someone with many, many S5s who is overclocking and suggesting others do the same didn't know.

Overclocking voids the warranty? Then why is it a drop down option in the control panel of your software which ships with the units. I'm not trying to start a fight here. But I find that it's ridiculous to put an option to set a frequency higher than 350 with a simple dropdown menu - in your own software - and there be no warning whatsoever - and that BM would deny a warranty claim.

Yes it does. I can't really answer on behalf of the other questions as its not my rules.


I added an overclocking question to the wiki.

Over Clocking will void your warranty on the unit, please be careful  Cry

To me this seems:

1.) Shady:  Bitmain advertises the product on its own thread as a device with "Overclock Potential". No where is it clearly stated that doing so voids your warranty.

In order to find this "Phantom Warranty Policy" one must first dig through a Wiki, where the information is buried. I didn't even know there was a wiki.

2.) Perhaps not in China; but here in the USA we have Consumer Protection Acts on both a state and Federal Level. From what I understand BM now operates offices/has employees within the borders of the US.  These laws do not like hidden fine print, and having a business presence and conducting business here in the states would give the states and the Federal Government personal jurisdiction to enforce these laws.

These laws cover things like Intentional Misrepresentation to Mislead, and because Im now slighly upset my topic has been derailed: Intentional Infliction of Emotional Distress. Both of which are subject to punitive damages as well as Treble Damages.

3.) I'll add it to my post - HOWEVER - Bitmain should be forthcoming about this policy if in fact this is the case.

4.) I had an S3+ go bad - It WAS overclocked. Bitmain was very helpful and responsive and swapped it out for me.

5.) I am in no way badmouthing Bitmain. I love their products. I run 60 S3+ Units (Roughly) and 24 S5 Units. I have only had a single failure. Thats really great in my opinion considering how high defect rates are on name brand consumer electronics. So +1 for BitMain.

What I would like; and I feel the community deserves, is a response from Bitmain from Bitmain's account. They should clarify their position. And if this claim is true, they should add this information to the Warranty Section of their website at the very least.  

Lastly; I purchased my units with my Amex Platinum; which extends all warranties on all products for 1 Year past the manufacturers warranty. This is a great feature, however I doubt Ill be running these 15 months from now considering difficulty.

I'd just like to add that we have gotten sorely off topic here:

 I put together a diagram as a reference community members could use.  I did this on my own time, and have given it freely without asking for any compensation. Dogie... Respectfully:  From the start of this thread you have responded with nothing but comments that come off as harboring animosity that myself as well as other miners are getting hash rates which are nearly 15-20% faster than the units were rated at-- and do not deserve. As if we are in the wrong and Bitmain got the short end of the stick by not charging more. How about a "Wow, great concept", not just to me but to all the other members who have contributed to this new technology system.  You all know who you are. Ill refrain from going through names simply because I don't want to miss anyone and the list is long.

Dogie, I read your Guide as well; but personally found it the least useful in terms of how to get the most out of your miner; best setup practices; tips and tricks, etc. It was pictures mostly of things I have no need to see on a macro level.

Strato


I'm moving the discussion quoted above on Bitmain's warranty policy here since it was getting off-topic as per the OP, but I think it warrants some more discussion. I also had my own comment, which is that Bitmain should make its warranty clear and conspicuous. Some people may be misled by the fact that Bitmain advertises the overclock potential of its miners when overclocking voids the warranty. I don't think something should be advertised as a feature if it also voids the warranty, unless that fact is made clear to the buyer. Just my two cents.

Another question on the warranty - any warranty issue will obviously cause some downtime, which is a loss to the buyer. Does Bitmain allocate an equivalent amount of hashing power from its cloud mining service during the downtime? 
hero member
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Can you PM me or post back here in a few days how you get on with that, its an.... interesting result which may be useful. Is that an RM1000 I see?

Still going.
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still i don`t get   ...
 ROI is "never" ?? What is the point of purcasing S5...

i have 50pcs of S1 turned off for few months allready..and they are useless  Sad
member
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"Case" could have been made from one sheet of the same plastic which is used now, holes cut for cables at top and U-shaped square "case" covering sides and top.  Every cheap plastic thing is stamped "Made in China" so I think it can't be very hard to find producer for this "case". 
legendary
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'The right to privacy matters'
Well do keep in mind the miners are disposable. They will be fully obsolete in less than 6-9 months time. So build to junk them. No need for expensive cases.

Strato

this becomes less true with each generation as the watt to gh improvements are not as good


s-1 to s-3 to s-5

2 watts     .8 watts      .5 watts


I am leaving out btc price as a factor
legendary
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Well do keep in mind the miners are disposable. They will be fully obsolete in less than 6-9 months time. So build to junk them. No need for expensive cases.

Strato
legendary
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I have used my S5s now for about 9 days, I like the lightweight design but I don't understand why top isn't covered.
  

I hear you.  It's called "cutting corners to improve profit margin"...but people still buy them in spite of this inadequacy and so it is.  I think the S3 is the best one they ever made for this reason.

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I have used my S5s now for about 9 days, I like the lightweight design but I don't understand why top isn't covered.
One piece plastic cover over the top and sides would have been very easy to make.

Noise is terrible, If so much fan speed is needed top should have cover also. Before I covered top with ESD plastic and duct tape I could easily feel air flow 1m over the miner.  Very hard to built efficienf cooling for many rack mounted miners if air flows almost every directions.

I installed S1 fan pulling to one miner, original fan speed is 3960 and S1 3480, temps 56 and 50 1320GH/s.

One fan miner 3960 rpm, 54 and 49 temps 1312GH/s.

STD air flow seems to be enought, I use DPS-600 server powers.

 
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